ONE CURE for BOTH type 1 and type 2 diabetes???

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970

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a little bit of hope always feels good. when it slowly dies down, I still
felt the hope
and yet some how never felt the let down point.
wow if this works, I wonder how long it will take for us to be able to get
it.
with diabetes getting out of hand like it is. I hope they hurry.
Will I once again be able to complete my order with.
"and for desert il have cheese cake"

for those that will jump in with.. its no excuse to go crazy.

shhhhhh let me dream.

Tom
if it is found to be a cure. how many of us will get to use it?

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"TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970

"The islet inflammation cleared up and the diabetes was gone. ...The
researchers are now setting out to confirm that the connection between
sensory nerves and diabetes holds true in humans. If it does, they will see
if their treatments have the same effects on people as they did on mice."

Wow! If it pans out, I'll stop wearing Ts with lizards on them in honour of
Byetta, and move to chillis...

Nicky.

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Nothing wrong with hope. I don't really look for it in my lifetime, but
you're still fairly young, so hopefully in yours. :-)

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Gantlet wrote in message ...
>a little bit of hope always feels good. when it slowly dies down, I
still
>felt the hope
>and yet some how never felt the let down point.
>wow if this works, I wonder how long it will take for us to be able to
get
>it.
>with diabetes getting out of hand like it is. I hope they hurry.
>Will I once again be able to complete my order with.
>"and for desert il have cheese cake"
>
>for those that will jump in with.. its no excuse to go crazy.
>
>shhhhhh let me dream.
>
>Tom
>if it is found to be a cure. how many of us will get to use it?

TigerLily wrote:
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970

>From Canada came the discovery of insulin, let's hope they've
discovered another miracle. And that it can be implemented quickly for
everyone!

No offense, but I live for the day when we stop talking to each other
and this place is a ghost town because we've all been cured. I hope we
all are able to see this place change its name to a.s.

Kurt

Well, then we can all gravitate to other newsgroups and still annoy each
other right? LOL Hope you have a great weekend Kurt. :-)

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Kurt wrote in message

<1166226376.292421.66350@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>...
>No offense, but I live for the day when we stop talking to each other
>and this place is a ghost town because we've all been cured. I hope we
>all are able to see this place change its name to a.s.
>
>Kurt
>

TigerLily wrote:
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970

They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
works.

If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
particularly glorious for Toronto.

Tim.

shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> TigerLily wrote:
>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970

> They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> works.

They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
the research press release which was the source of this article.

http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp

> If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> particularly glorious for Toronto.

I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)

It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.

Anyone else like to place a bet?

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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> > TigerLily wrote:
> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970
>
> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> > works.
>
> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
> the research press release which was the source of this article.
>
> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp
>
> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
>
> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>
> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>
> Anyone else like to place a bet?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...de696e46d7a37?

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear friend
Chris whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

In alt.support.diabetes Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <love3@thetruth.com> wrote:
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
>> > TigerLily wrote:
>> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970
>>
>> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
>> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
>> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
>> > works.
>>
>> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
>> the research press release which was the source of this article.
>>
>> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp
>>
>> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
>> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
>> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
>> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
>>
>> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>>
>> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
>> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
>> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
>> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
>> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
>> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>>
>> Anyone else like to place a bet?

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...de696e46d7a37?

Interesting counter points, Andrew, thanks.

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[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > Chris Malcolm wrote:
> >> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> >> > TigerLily wrote:
> >> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970
> >>
> >> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> >> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> >> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> >> > works.
> >>
> >> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
> >> the research press release which was the source of this article.
> >>
> >> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp
> >>
> >> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> >> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> >> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> >> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
> >>
> >> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
> >>
> >> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> >> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> >> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> >> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> >> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> >> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
> >>
> >> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...de696e46d7a37?
>
> Interesting counter points, Andrew, thanks.

You are welcome.

All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Creator of heaven and earth,
Source of all knowledge and wisdom, and Healer of all diseases and
infirmities:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear friend
Chris whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:11:16 -0700, "TigerLily" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970

Sounds to simple.

Nice to think that someday a cure for this mess may become reality.

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> > works.
>
> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
> the research press release which was the source of this article.
>
> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp

Thank you! It makes more sense than many of the news articles.

> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
>
> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>
> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>
> Anyone else like to place a bet?

While I'd like to see it pan out, I've seen enough other news releases
come and go without being "the cure" that I'm not banking on it :-).

All the same, many of the criticisms that have floated around about the
new Toronto research tracks very closely the criticism that Banting and
Best got about their research.

Folks here are complaining that the researchers aren't
endocrinologists: but remember that Banting was a medical doctor who
had never even treated a diabetic before.

People are complaining that diabetes in these mice isn't the same as
most all diabetes in humans. But remember that Banting and Best were
experimenting on dogs who had had their pancreas surgically altered in
the guess that this could induce a type of diabetes that is in fact
almost completely unlike the mechanisms that most people get diabetes.

And whether this results in "the cure" or a prevention or something
else, it is remarkable that such interesting stuff is still being done
in Toronto.

Tim.

"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166226376.292421.66350@j72g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> TigerLily wrote:
>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970
>
>>From Canada came the discovery of insulin, let's hope they've
> discovered another miracle. And that it can be implemented quickly for
> everyone!

From Canda and the US: Davud Serreze, from the Jackson Labs in Bar Harbor
Maine, was one of the coauthors.

The coauthors were Rozita Razavi, Yin Chan, F. Nikoo Afifiyan, Xue Jun Liu,
Xiang Wan, Jason Tantha, Hubert Tsui, Lan Tang, Sue Tsai, Pere Santamaria,
John P. Driver, David Serreze, Michael W. Salter, and H-Michael Dosch.

I am not sure why, but I think a lot of the authors are not natives of
Canada, too.

Jeff

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love3@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1166266355.199394.267280@80g2000cwy.googlegro ups.com...
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
>> > TigerLily wrote:
>> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970
>>
>> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
>> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
>> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
>> > works.
>>
>> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
>> the research press release which was the source of this article.
>>
>> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp
>>
>> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
>> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
>> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
>> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
>>
>> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>>
>> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
>> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
>> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
>> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
>> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
>> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>>
>> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...de696e46d7a37?

My response to Andrew's post in the thread "Re: Diabetes Breakthrough."
Unfortunately, Andrew has the habit of starting new threads, which makes
threads harder to follow.

Jeff

<...>

"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> No offense, but I live for the day when we stop talking to each other
> and this place is a ghost town because we've all been cured. I hope we
> all are able to see this place change its name to a.s.
>
> Kurt


lol..
i couldnt help but notice you didnt say that you would be glad not to be
diabetic any more.
Well so far the worst part about being diabetic for me has been this place.
So I can understand that. o man wouldnt it be great to say good bye to this
group.
I guess not being diabetic anymore is ok to.
Wow I cant wait to say good riddens.
Damn i just started my web site to .

its looking good, I just checked and it seems that
Alt.support.diabetic.mice has already closed down . Dr. Bernie the Rat
will have to find something else to spam in every newsgroup and message
board.

Being Cured Diabetic - will be fantastic
Being Able to eat a slice of cheese cake - Unbelievable.
Making my last post here - Priceless.

Tom
anyone want to buy a web site?

"TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:4ugks7F17opqcU1@mid.individual.net...
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970

I read the study carefully. It says nothing about a "cure." While it is
clearly a potential treatment, there is nothing that suggests that diabetes
was really cured in the mice. It may be that people would require treatment
every year or two. There may be complications from the surgery.

Furtheremore, the mice had specific mutations in their genome (genetic
code). This may greatly benefit some patients, but not others.

Jeff

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>

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <love3@thetruth.com> wrote:
> > Chris Malcolm wrote:
> >> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> >> > TigerLily wrote:
> >> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970
> >>
> >> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> >> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> >> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> >> > works.
> >>
> >> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
> >> the research press release which was the source of this article.
> >>
> >> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp
> >>
> >> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> >> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> >> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> >> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
> >>
> >> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
> >>
> >> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> >> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> >> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> >> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> >> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> >> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
> >>
> >> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...de696e46d7a37?
>
> Interesting counter points, Andrew, thanks.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.

And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
(or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
cures and improvements.

A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.

Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:4ui0vvF18eseaU1
@mid.individual.net:

> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>
> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>
> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>

I'd bet that way too as far as the treatment actually working. I'd bet
against you if we were betting on whether the treatment will come to
market. One shot? Eliminating all those lucrative strips and whatnot?
I'm sure Big Pharma will be jumping all over themselves trying to get
that to market. NOT.

Chak

--
I've learned that whenever I decide something with an open heart, I
usually make the right decision.
--Maya Angelou

<awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166294872.798765.299950@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
<...>

> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.

Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
able to get it in the right spot?

> And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
> dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
> (or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
> cures and improvements.

Snaking a tube through the inside of the body is not a "natural" cure. It
hasn't even been shown to be a cure in mice.

> A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
> others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.

Actually, the news came out yesterday.

And this is a drug model. They are putting a drug in the body. And I do mean
"in the body," with a tube in the groin snaking through the body.

Jeff

Gantlet wrote:
> "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > No offense, but I live for the day when we stop talking to each other
> > and this place is a ghost town because we've all been cured. I hope we
> > all are able to see this place change its name to a.s.
> >
> > Kurt
>
>
> lol..
> i couldnt help but notice you didnt say that you would be glad not to be
> diabetic any more.

Oh yeah, that too! Although I'd have to give away my neat gold
medic-alert wristband.

> Well so far the worst part about being diabetic for me has been this place.

LOL

> So I can understand that. o man wouldnt it be great to say good bye to this
> group.
> I guess not being diabetic anymore is ok to.
> Wow I cant wait to say good riddens.
> Damn i just started my web site to .

Oh yeah, that's right. Well, you could make it about motorcycles.


> its looking good, I just checked and it seems that
> Alt.support.diabetic.mice has already closed down . Dr. Bernie the Rat
> will have to find something else to spam in every newsgroup and message
> board.

LOL. By Dr. Rodentstein's book "Cheddar for Dummies"

> Being Cured Diabetic - will be fantastic
> Being Able to eat a slice of cheese cake - Unbelievable.
> Making my last post here - Priceless.

I think it wold be priceless for ALL of us.

> Tom
> anyone want to buy a web site?

LOL. Funny post, Tom.

Best,
Kurt

"Chakolate" <chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns989B82796443Achakolatehotmailcom@207.115.1 7.102...
> Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:4ui0vvF18eseaU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>>
>> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
>> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
>> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
>> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
>> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
>> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>>
>> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>>
>
> I'd bet that way too as far as the treatment actually working. I'd bet
> against you if we were betting on whether the treatment will come to
> market. One shot? Eliminating all those lucrative strips and whatnot?
> I'm sure Big Pharma will be jumping all over themselves trying to get
> that to market. NOT.

The treatment involves inserting a catheter into the groin, through the
aorta, into the pancreatic arteries. This requires X-ray equip. I would
imagine that it would cost around $8k (or $2k in India, with airfare). It is
not cheap.

Big Pharma might not be trying to get this to market, but I bet some
startups will.

Remember how some little startup guy who made IBM-compatable computers in
his college dorm and started selling them? Now, it is the second biggest
computer maker (Dell). Startups do take off.

Jeff

> Chak
>
> --
> I've learned that whenever I decide something with an open heart, I
> usually make the right decision.
> --Maya Angelou

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love3@thetruth.com> wrote in message

> All thanks and praises belong to medical science, which has to resist
> charlatans and superstition.
>Science, not superstition is the source of all knowledge and wisdom, and
>"god" heals nothing and only encourages >ignorance and weakness.

<snip stool>

"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> LOL. By Dr. Rodentstein's book "Cheddar for Dummies"

> Best,
> Kurt

funny lol

Convicted neighbor Jeff wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Chris Malcolm wrote:
> >> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> >> > TigerLily wrote:
> >> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b5d1bf&k=63970
> >>
> >> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> >> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> >> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> >> > works.
> >>
> >> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
> >> the research press release which was the source of this article.
> >>
> >> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/cus...etesopen06.asp
> >>
> >> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> >> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> >> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> >> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
> >>
> >> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
> >>
> >> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> >> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> >> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> >> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> >> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> >> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
> >>
> >> Anyone else like to place a bet?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...de696e46d7a37?
>
> My response to Andrew's post in the thread "Re: Diabetes Breakthrough."
> Unfortunately, Andrew has the habit of starting new threads, which makes
> threads harder to follow.

Actually, I did not start this thread.

Here's the OP for this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...55b8f27e8c53f?

In alt.support.diabetes Jeff <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote:

> <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <...>

>> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
>> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
>> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.

> Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
> snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
> able to get it in the right spot?

He believes in natural cures. That means he hasn't a clue and is
either going to eat chilis or stuff them as far up his fundament as he
can reach with a natural wooden stick.

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"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> In alt.support.diabetes Jeff <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166294872.798765.299950@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> <...>
>
>>> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
>>> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
>>> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>
>> Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his
>> groin,
>> snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
>> able to get it in the right spot?
>
> He believes in natural cures. That means he hasn't a clue and is
> either going to eat chilis or stuff them as far up his fundament as he
> can reach with a natural wooden stick.

This doesn't follow logically. Neither eating enough chilis or stuffing them
is natural.

> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
>

Jeff wrote:
> <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166294872.798765.299950@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> <...>
>
> > Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whether it's
> > applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
> > it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>
> Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
> snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
> able to get it in the right spot?
>
> > And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
> > dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
> > (or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
> > cures and improvements.
>
> Snaking a tube through the inside of the body is not a "natural" cure. It
> hasn't even been shown to be a cure in mice.
>
> > A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
> > others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.
>
> Actually, the news came out yesterday.
>
> And this is a drug model. They are putting a drug in the body. And I do mean
> "in the body," with a tube in the groin snaking through the body.
>
> Jeff

As usual, you're missing the point. The average diabetic who learns
about this will take the hot peppers in capsules. They won't wait ten
years for 'x' number of studies done in various ways, while their toes
get cut off one by one.

Nope. They'll go to the store and bypass your particularities. They
probably won't be thinking about you or have even heard about you.
Isn't that grand...people taking responsibility for their own health
decisions.

Your importance might wane, but that's how progress gets made. It's
unknown as yet what level of benefit would be derived from a consistent
oral ingestion of high heat-unit pepper would be. But you can be sure
that there will be diabetics willing to find out.

PS. I work in a health food store. You can be sure that along with high
doses of cinnamon, alpha lipoic acid and such, this will become another
option, especially for those with neuropathy. Of course, high dose
SUBLINGUAL vitamin B-12 is yet another option.

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes Jeff <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1166294872.798765.299950@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > <...>
>
> >> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
> >> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
> >> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>
> > Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
> > snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
> > able to get it in the right spot?
>
> He believes in natural cures. That means he hasn't a clue and is
> either going to eat chilis or stuff them as far up his fundament as he
> can reach with a natural wooden stick.

I've helped cure more people than you could ever dream of. So keep
pricking your fingers like a good slave.

>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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>
> Jeff wrote:
>> <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166294872.798765.299950@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> <...>
>>
>> > Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whether it's
>> > applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
>> > it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>>
>> Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his
>> groin,
>> snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
>> able to get it in the right spot?
>>
>> > And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
>> > dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
>> > (or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
>> > cures and improvements.
>>
>> Snaking a tube through the inside of the body is not a "natural" cure. It
>> hasn't even been shown to be a cure in mice.
>>
>> > A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
>> > others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.
>>
>> Actually, the news came out yesterday.
>>
>> And this is a drug model. They are putting a drug in the body. And I do
>> mean
>> "in the body," with a tube in the groin snaking through the body.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> As usual, you're missing the point. The average diabetic who learns
> about this will take the hot peppers in capsules. They won't wait ten
> years for 'x' number of studies done in various ways, while their toes
> get cut off one by one.
>
> Nope. They'll go to the store and bypass your particularities. They
> probably won't be thinking about you or have even heard about you.
> Isn't that grand...people taking responsibility for their own health
> decisions.

Taking irresponsibility for their own health decisions is more like it, if
they do what you suggest.

> Your importance might wane, but that's how progress gets made. It's
> unknown as yet what level of benefit would be derived from a consistent
> oral ingestion of high heat-unit pepper would be. But you can be sure
> that there will be diabetics willing to find out.

That is incorrect. My importance won't wane. For that to happen, I would
have to have importance to start with.

Actually, they won't. They may that the peppers, but they will never know if
it is working or not.

> PS. I work in a health food store. You can be sure that along with high
> doses of cinnamon, alpha lipoic acid and such, this will become another
> option, especially for those with neuropathy. Of course, high dose
> SUBLINGUAL vitamin B-12 is yet another option.

And I can be sure that people will be taking more money off these folks
without any evidence of benefit.

Pathetic.

Jeff

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