Onions and BG

Hello
I am a new T2.
I found out Nov. 28, 2006
I had a BG of 518.
Metformin 2x 1000mg

I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
high.
Is this common or just a personal allergy?
Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.

Davybear wrote:
> Hello
> I am a new T2.
> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
> I had a BG of 518.
> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>
> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
> high.

What seems like a small amount for one person can be a lot to a food
scale.

The latter does not lie.

> Is this common or just a personal allergy?

Not an allergy.

> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?

None known.

> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.

That would suggest that indeed the food scale will say you've eaten a
lot of red onion.

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

Davybear wrote:
> Hello
> I am a new T2.
> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
> I had a BG of 518.
> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>
> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
> high.
> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>
>
>
I stopped eating onions and my heart burn went away. I've been off
Prilosec for months.

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0600 in Msg.#
<2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com>, "Davybear"
<Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger from
> Hardee's.
> Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.

Ch*ng is a notorious troll. Wait for a different answer from someone else. I
eat onions, raw & cooked. Garlic, too. I recall some people talking about
them, just not what they said about them.

--
DonnaB 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

º We have enough youth, how about a fountain of smart?

Davybear wrote:
> Hello
> I am a new T2.
> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
> I had a BG of 518.
> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>
> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
> high.
> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>
>
>
Thanks for the info. Will take note and eat lesser of it.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love11@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1169261842.193045.174080@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
> Davybear wrote:
>> Hello
>> I am a new T2.
>> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>> I had a BG of 518.
>> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>>
>> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>> high.
>
> What seems like a small amount for one person can be a lot to a food
> scale.
>
> The latter does not lie.
>
>> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>
> Not an allergy.
>
>> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>
> None known.
>
>> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>
> That would suggest that indeed the food scale will say you've eaten a
> lot of red onion.
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> http://EmoryCardiology.com
>

I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger from
Hardee's.
Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.

DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0600 in Msg.#
> <2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com>, "Davybear"
> <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>> I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger from
>> Hardee's.
>> Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.
>
> Ch*ng is a notorious troll. Wait for a different answer from someone else. I
> eat onions, raw & cooked. Garlic, too. I recall some people talking about
> them, just not what they said about them.
>

But Donna, Ch*ng answered honestly and he didn't post the usual
religious stuff as he used to do. Maybe I am wrong, I dunno.

In article <45b18ac5$1@news.starhub.net.sg>,
BatGuy <brucewayne@gotham.net> wrote:

> DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
> > In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0600 in Msg.#
> > <2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com>, "Davybear"
> > <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger
> >> from
> >> Hardee's.
> >> Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.
> >
> > Ch*ng is a notorious troll. Wait for a different answer from someone else.
> > I
> > eat onions, raw & cooked. Garlic, too. I recall some people talking about
> > them, just not what they said about them.
> >
>
> But Donna, Ch*ng answered honestly and he didn't post the usual
> religious stuff as he used to do. Maybe I am wrong, I dunno.

He's still crazy as a loon, and a couple of rings of onion would
surprise me if it bumped up my BG.

How about a food sensitivity? The smelling of onions thing sounds not
usual to me.

Priscilla

In article <bsfsh.42$gS1.7@trndny01>,
"Snap Whipcrack.............." <snapw@aol.com> wrote:

> Davybear wrote:
> > Hello
> > I am a new T2.
> > I found out Nov. 28, 2006
> > I had a BG of 518.
> > Metformin 2x 1000mg
> >
> > I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
> > I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
> > But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
> > high.
> > Is this common or just a personal allergy?
> > Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
> > My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
> >
> >
> >
> I stopped eating onions and my heart burn went away. I've been off
> Prilosec for months.

I started low-carbing (four years ago), and my heart burn went away.

Priscilla

In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:21:39 +0800 in Msg.#
<45b18ac5$1@news.starhub.net.sg>, BatGuy <brucewayne@gotham.net> wrote:

> DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
> > In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0600 in Msg.#
> > <2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com>, "Davybear"
> > <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger from
> >> Hardee's.
> >> Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.
> >
> > Ch*ng is a notorious troll. Wait for a different answer from someone else. I
> > eat onions, raw & cooked. Garlic, too. I recall some people talking about
> > them, just not what they said about them.
>
> But Donna, Ch*ng answered honestly and he didn't post the usual
> religious stuff as he used to do. Maybe I am wrong, I dunno.

He didn't actually answer at all. Instead he implied that the poster was
eating too many onions.

--
DonnaB 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

º Chemists have nice reactions.

"Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:lradne4CgoHN4izYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@adelphia.com ...
> Hello
> I am a new T2.
> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
> I had a BG of 518.
> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>
> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
> high.
> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.

I eat onions pretty much every day. They do not raise my BG any more than
any other vegetables, although green onions have less carbs and mature ones,
measured cup per cup.

I also have food allergies. Eating a food you are allergic to can cause a
variety of symptoms, but AFAIK will not in and of itself cause your BG to go
up. Now the stress of whatever symptoms you might have could raise your BG.
If you are throwing up your food or having diarrhea, this could affect BG,
making it either higher or lower than it would otherwise.

Potent foods like onion and garlic will stay on your skin or in your system
for a day or two after eating them. If the odor is on your skin because you
cut the onion up and got it on your hand, deodorize it by using a stainless
steel spoon. Run your hands under the water and then rub the spoon all over
them like it were a bar of soap.

Onions do not react with Metformin. Are you sure there is nothing else you
are eating at the meal with the onions that would cause your BG to go up?
Could you give us an example of the meal?

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> In article <bsfsh.42$gS1.7@trndny01>,
> "Snap Whipcrack.............." <snapw@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Davybear wrote:
> > > Hello
> > > I am a new T2.
> > > I found out Nov. 28, 2006
> > > I had a BG of 518.
> > > Metformin 2x 1000mg
> > >
> > > I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
> > > I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
> > > But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
> > > high.
> > > Is this common or just a personal allergy?
> > > Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
> > > My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I stopped eating onions and my heart burn went away. I've been off
> > Prilosec for months.
>
> I started low-carbing (four years ago), and my heart burn went away.

LOL. Gotta love this newsgroup. These claims always remind me of those
old Western movies where the slick peddler wheels through town and
offer his famous "Snake Oil" that cures everything.

"That's right folks, my new Low-Carb oil cures everything that ails
you...sleeplessness, broken legs, chest pains, long toenails, curvature
of the ear lobes, knuckleitis, and even heart burn. Step right up and
buy this miracle elixir."

But seriously, changing one's diet to a healthier one will usually take
care of many ailments. When I stopped eating processed foods and fatty
red meats to whole grains, fish, and vegetables, my heartburn went
away, too.

As far as the red onions problem, it really does sound like it may be a
food allergy. You should talk to a professional nutritionist about it
and see what they say. Red onions never seem to raise my bgs and I eat
them over any kind of onion. Actually, I tried this recipe from dLife
a while back and it was tasty.

http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/recipe...?recipeId=1141 (I also
like the disclaimer they put at the bottom)

Hope you find the answers you are looking for.

Best,
Kurt

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:dcgsh.49$gS1.39@trndny01...
>
> "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:lradne4CgoHN4izYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>> Hello
>> I am a new T2.
>> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>> I had a BG of 518.
>> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>>
>> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>> high.
>> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>
> I eat onions pretty much every day. They do not raise my BG any more than
> any other vegetables, although green onions have less carbs and mature
> ones, measured cup per cup.
>
> I also have food allergies. Eating a food you are allergic to can cause a
> variety of symptoms, but AFAIK will not in and of itself cause your BG to
> go up. Now the stress of whatever symptoms you might have could raise
> your BG. If you are throwing up your food or having diarrhea, this could
> affect BG, making it either higher or lower than it would otherwise.
>
> Potent foods like onion and garlic will stay on your skin or in your
> system for a day or two after eating them. If the odor is on your skin
> because you cut the onion up and got it on your hand, deodorize it by
> using a stainless steel spoon. Run your hands under the water and then
> rub the spoon all over them like it were a bar of soap.
>
> Onions do not react with Metformin. Are you sure there is nothing else
> you are eating at the meal with the onions that would cause your BG to go
> up? Could you give us an example of the meal?
>

I have been eating low-carb Thickburgers from Hardee's
If I do not have the onion I am ok.
I do not think it is do to the amount of carbs in the onion but some other
reaction to the onion.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:32:45 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
wrote:

>Hello
>I am a new T2.
>I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>I had a BG of 518.
>Metformin 2x 1000mg
>
>I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>high.
>Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>
>

One medium onion is 10.27g of carbs. Does that sound like a food that
would cause a spike?

--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Americans killed in Iraq as of January 18, 2007 is 3025. United Kingdom = 129 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 47,657 as of January 10, 2007.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 19, 2007 it has been 1356 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner
which was sent to the ship by the White House that said, Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:32:45 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
wrote:

>Hello
>I am a new T2.
>I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>I had a BG of 518.
>Metformin 2x 1000mg
>
>I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>high.
>Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>
>

That would have to be one hell of a large onion to cause any kind of
spike is my guess. I eat onions quite often and notice no difference
whatever.

--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Americans killed in Iraq as of January 18, 2007 is 3025. United Kingdom = 129 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 47,657 as of January 10, 2007.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 19, 2007 it has been 1356 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner
which was sent to the ship by the White House that said, Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:56:12 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
wrote:

>
>"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:dcgsh.49$gS1.39@trndny01...
>>
>> "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> news:lradne4CgoHN4izYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>>> Hello
>>> I am a new T2.
>>> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>>> I had a BG of 518.
>>> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>>>
>>> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>>> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>>> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>>> high.
>>> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>>> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>>> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>>
>> I eat onions pretty much every day. They do not raise my BG any more than
>> any other vegetables, although green onions have less carbs and mature
>> ones, measured cup per cup.
>>
>> I also have food allergies. Eating a food you are allergic to can cause a
>> variety of symptoms, but AFAIK will not in and of itself cause your BG to
>> go up. Now the stress of whatever symptoms you might have could raise
>> your BG. If you are throwing up your food or having diarrhea, this could
>> affect BG, making it either higher or lower than it would otherwise.
>>
>> Potent foods like onion and garlic will stay on your skin or in your
>> system for a day or two after eating them. If the odor is on your skin
>> because you cut the onion up and got it on your hand, deodorize it by
>> using a stainless steel spoon. Run your hands under the water and then
>> rub the spoon all over them like it were a bar of soap.
>>
>> Onions do not react with Metformin. Are you sure there is nothing else
>> you are eating at the meal with the onions that would cause your BG to go
>> up? Could you give us an example of the meal?
>>
>
>I have been eating low-carb Thickburgers from Hardee's
>If I do not have the onion I am ok.
>I do not think it is do to the amount of carbs in the onion but some other
>reaction to the onion.
>
>
>
>

If you are eating that large bun it would raise your BG one heck of
lot more than the onion on it.

--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Americans killed in Iraq as of January 18, 2007 is 3025. United Kingdom = 129 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 47,657 as of January 10, 2007.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 19, 2007 it has been 1356 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner
which was sent to the ship by the White House that said, Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:56:12 -0600 in Msg.#
<gK2dnXNxP9N9DyzYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@adelphia.com>, "Davybear"
<Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote:

> I have been eating low-carb Thickburgers from Hardee's
> If I do not have the onion I am ok.
> I do not think it is do to the amount of carbs in the onion but some other
> reaction to the onion.

Are you eating that with a bun, or without the bun?

Oh, and, BTW, you said you're a new T2. I'm not sure if you're new here
also, ... but, anyway, welcome newbie! Sorry you have a reason to be here,
but here can be a good place to be if you are a newly diagnosed T2. Did you
see the URL for the website that goes along with the newsgroup? If not,
holler.

--
DonnaB 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

º Biochemists wear designer genes.

"GrandpaChuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4ME.org> wrote in message
news:7773r2haollqjijvk3v2j8qp78m8kb5fm5@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:56:12 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>I have been eating low-carb Thickburgers from Hardee's
>>If I do not have the onion I am ok.
>>I do not think it is do to the amount of carbs in the onion but some other
>>reaction to the onion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> If you are eating that large bun it would raise your BG one heck of
> lot more than the onion on it.
>
> --
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~


Like I said it is the Low-Carb Thickburger from Hardee's.
No bun.
Two pieces of lettuce are used instead of the bun.

"Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com ...

> I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger
> from Hardee's.
> Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.

I am unfamiliar with Hardees so I looked up the low carb thick burger.
According to their website it has 5 g of total carb and 2 g of fiber.
That's 3 g total carbs. Not enough to spike anyone's BG I should think.
Are you eating anything else with it? Extra ketchup? Anything? A drink?
Are you testing your BG prior to eating?

"Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:8OSdnSG7o8zWOyzYnZ2dnUVZ_vmqnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>
> "GrandpaChuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4ME.org> wrote in message
> news:7773r2haollqjijvk3v2j8qp78m8kb5fm5@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:56:12 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I have been eating low-carb Thickburgers from Hardee's
>>>If I do not have the onion I am ok.
>>>I do not think it is do to the amount of carbs in the onion but some
>>>other
>>>reaction to the onion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you are eating that large bun it would raise your BG one heck of
>> lot more than the onion on it.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Grandpa Chuck
>> -ô¿ô-
>> ~
>
>
> Like I said it is the Low-Carb Thickburger from Hardee's.
> No bun.
> Two pieces of lettuce are used instead of the bun.
>

Total carbs 5
Fiber 2
Sugar 3

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-BD3C9C.22323619012007@individual.net...
> In article <45b18ac5$1@news.starhub.net.sg>,
> BatGuy <brucewayne@gotham.net> wrote:
>
>> DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
>> > In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:10:25 -0600 in Msg.#
>> > <2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com>, "Davybear"
>> > <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger
>> >> from
>> >> Hardee's.
>> >> Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.
>> >
>> > Ch*ng is a notorious troll. Wait for a different answer from someone
>> > else.
>> > I
>> > eat onions, raw & cooked. Garlic, too. I recall some people talking
>> > about
>> > them, just not what they said about them.
>> >
>>
>> But Donna, Ch*ng answered honestly and he didn't post the usual
>> religious stuff as he used to do. Maybe I am wrong, I dunno.
>
> He's still crazy as a loon, and a couple of rings of onion would
> surprise me if it bumped up my BG.
>
> How about a food sensitivity? The smelling of onions thing sounds not
> usual to me.
>
> Priscilla


You may be right about the food sensitivity.
I tried to do a little net research and found symptoms that I had but just
linked to having a high BG.
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/asthm...gy/202518.html

I can not find anything that says it can cause a high BG but some of the
symptoms suggest it.
I only know that it seems to cause a high BG in me.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:32:36 -0500, Priscilla Ballou
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

>How about a food sensitivity? The smelling of onions thing sounds not
>usual to me.

Yeah, that would me my vote. Glad I don't share it - I eat a ton of
onions!

Nicky.
T2 DX 05/2004
A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E
100ug Thyroxine

Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>> In article <bsfsh.42$gS1.7@trndny01>,
>> "Snap Whipcrack.............." <snapw@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Davybear wrote:
>> > > Hello
>> > > I am a new T2.
>> > > I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>> > > I had a BG of 518.
>> > > Metformin 2x 1000mg
>> > >
>> > > I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>> > > I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>> > > But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>> > > high.
>> > > Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>> > > Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>> > > My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.

>> > I stopped eating onions and my heart burn went away. I've been off
>> > Prilosec for months.

>> I started low-carbing (four years ago), and my heart burn went away.

> But seriously, changing one's diet to a healthier one will usually take
> care of many ailments. When I stopped eating processed foods and fatty
> red meats to whole grains, fish, and vegetables, my heartburn went
> away, too.

When I had my first heart problems (including a heart attack) I
changed my diet like that too. It helped a bit, but didn't eliminate
either the heartburn or, more worryingly, other symptoms of cardiac
problems.

I discovered that wheat, even wholegrain, seemed to be especially
problematic for me, and stopped eating wheat products. That improved
things a little more, but still not enough. I tried a paleolithic
diet, avoiding dairy products as well as wheat. Once again that seemed
to improve things a little, but still not enough.

It looked as though diet was definitely implicated, but I hadn't
managed to put my finger on the culprit. Continuing to explore in the
dietary area I experimentally tested myself with a BG meter.

Bingo! Turned out I was diabetic! Which also explained the tinglings
and mild anaesthesia I was starting to develop in hands and feet.

I started testing all my meals, and the components of my meals, with a
view to removing from my diet those things (or quantities of things)
which caused the highest rises in my BG. Once I'd got rid of the >180
spikes, and felt a lot better for it, I continued to try to trim the
spikes down. I also cut down my snacking, because that was keeping my
between-meals BG above 96. Once I got my pp spikes below 160, and only
briefly above 150, my heartburn pretty much vanished. I used to have
it at least once a day. On the heart healthy whole grain diet I had a
it a few times a week. On the paleolothic diet I was down to once or
twice a fortnight. On the "low BG spike" diet it could be as low as
once every several months or even more. I simply can't remember when I
had my last episode. Could have been over a year ago.

I can't say what aspect of all these changes has been the "real" key
to getting rid of my heartburn. At one stage it looked like the
standard whole grain, plenty veg, and reduced red meat diet was the
key. Later it looked as though wheat intolerance was the key. Later it
looked as though the paleolithic diet was the key. It now looks as
though lowering postprandial BG spikes was the key. But of course that
may simply be the next step in this ladder of improvingly good
approximations to an as yet undiscovered truth.

It could be said that this sequence of dietary changes, each of which
improved my heart symptoms, was a sequence of lowering my carbohydrate
intake. It would probably be more accurate to say that it was a
sequence of lowering the total personal glycemic index of my meals. I
say "personal glycemic index" because like many of those who have
played with the glycemic index I found that the glycemic indices you
get from tables in books are not infrequently very misleading. There
seems to be a lot of personal variation, to be generous about the
problems with the published tables of glycemic indices :-)

Like Kurt I suspect that putting the finger on too many carbs and
suggesting the key is a low carb diet is an oversimplification. Low
carbing for me was certainly a step in partly the right direction, but
since I can increase my carb intake without problems provided I take
measures to ensure that the extra carbs don't spike me, low spiking
seems to be a better compass heading to follow than low carbing in
improving my health.

Of course YMMV :-)

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Kurt wrote:
> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>> In article <bsfsh.42$gS1.7@trndny01>,
>> "Snap Whipcrack.............." <snapw@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Davybear wrote:
>>>> Hello
>>>> I am a new T2.
>>>> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>>>> I had a BG of 518.
>>>> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>>>>
>>>> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>>>> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>>>> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>>>> high.
>>>> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>>>> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>>>> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I stopped eating onions and my heart burn went away. I've been off
>>> Prilosec for months.
>> I started low-carbing (four years ago), and my heart burn went away.
>
> LOL. Gotta love this newsgroup. These claims always remind me of those
> old Western movies where the slick peddler wheels through town and
> offer his famous "Snake Oil" that cures everything.
>
> "That's right folks, my new Low-Carb oil cures everything that ails
> you...sleeplessness, broken legs, chest pains, long toenails, curvature
> of the ear lobes, knuckleitis, and even heart burn. Step right up and
> buy this miracle elixir."
>
> But seriously, changing one's diet to a healthier one will usually take
> care of many ailments. When I stopped eating processed foods and fatty
> red meats to whole grains, fish, and vegetables, my heartburn went
> away, too.
>
> As far as the red onions problem, it really does sound like it may be a
> food allergy. You should talk to a professional nutritionist about it
> and see what they say. Red onions never seem to raise my bgs and I eat
> them over any kind of onion. Actually, I tried this recipe from dLife
> a while back and it was tasty.
>
> http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/recipe...?recipeId=1141 (I also
> like the disclaimer they put at the bottom)
>
> Hope you find the answers you are looking for.
>
> Best,
> Kurt
>
Well they say that 90% of people with cancer drank water. Water must
cause cancer.

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> In article <bsfsh.42$gS1.7@trndny01>,
> "Snap Whipcrack.............." <snapw@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Davybear wrote:
>>> Hello
>>> I am a new T2.
>>> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>>> I had a BG of 518.
>>> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>>>
>>> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>>> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>>> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>>> high.
>>> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>>> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>>> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I stopped eating onions and my heart burn went away. I've been off
>> Prilosec for months.
>
> I started low-carbing (four years ago), and my heart burn went away.
>
> Priscilla
It's probably my low-carbing too.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>
>> I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger
>> from Hardee's.
>> Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.
>
> I am unfamiliar with Hardees so I looked up the low carb thick burger.
> According to their website it has 5 g of total carb and 2 g of fiber.
> That's 3 g total carbs. Not enough to spike anyone's BG I should think.
> Are you eating anything else with it? Extra ketchup? Anything? A drink?
> Are you testing your BG prior to eating?
>
>
Did you try the low carb burger at Red Robbin? It comes wrapped in
lettuce, no bun. A little messy to eat.

GrandpaChuck wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:32:45 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>> I am a new T2.
>> I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>> I had a BG of 518.
>> Metformin 2x 1000mg
>>
>> I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>> I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>> But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>> high.
>> Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>> Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>> My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>>
>>
>
> That would have to be one hell of a large onion to cause any kind of
> spike is my guess. I eat onions quite often and notice no difference
> whatever.
>
Onions have no food value, why eat them?

Davybear welcome to our group. Sorry you are a new member but glad that
you were pro active enough to find us on the net. We are here to supply
information and support although we are not doctors, Our information
comes from each other and how it affects our life.

Could you tell me how many times you are testing. I dont eat onions
generally so I dont know how they affect me Everyone has different
reactions to foods. Your best defense is testing, testing testing. to
see how food affect your numbers.

please go to alt.support-diabetes.org and check out advice to newbies.

good luck and please stay with us. OUr success rate is much higher than
diabetics who dont have a place like this

Loretta

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.

In article <51efimF1k06k5U1@mid.individual.net>,
Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> >> In article <bsfsh.42$gS1.7@trndny01>,
> >> "Snap Whipcrack.............." <snapw@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Davybear wrote:
> >> > > Hello
> >> > > I am a new T2.
> >> > > I found out Nov. 28, 2006
> >> > > I had a BG of 518.
> >> > > Metformin 2x 1000mg
> >> > >
> >> > > I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
> >> > > I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
> >> > > But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and
> >> > > stay
> >> > > high.
> >> > > Is this common or just a personal allergy?
> >> > > Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
> >> > > My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>
> >> > I stopped eating onions and my heart burn went away. I've been off
> >> > Prilosec for months.
>
> >> I started low-carbing (four years ago), and my heart burn went away.
>
> > But seriously, changing one's diet to a healthier one will usually take
> > care of many ailments. When I stopped eating processed foods and fatty
> > red meats to whole grains, fish, and vegetables, my heartburn went
> > away, too.
>
> When I had my first heart problems (including a heart attack) I
> changed my diet like that too. It helped a bit, but didn't eliminate
> either the heartburn or, more worryingly, other symptoms of cardiac
> problems.
>
> I discovered that wheat, even wholegrain, seemed to be especially
> problematic for me, and stopped eating wheat products. That improved
> things a little more, but still not enough. I tried a paleolithic
> diet, avoiding dairy products as well as wheat. Once again that seemed
> to improve things a little, but still not enough.
>
> It looked as though diet was definitely implicated, but I hadn't
> managed to put my finger on the culprit. Continuing to explore in the
> dietary area I experimentally tested myself with a BG meter.
>
> Bingo! Turned out I was diabetic! Which also explained the tinglings
> and mild anaesthesia I was starting to develop in hands and feet.
>
> I started testing all my meals, and the components of my meals, with a
> view to removing from my diet those things (or quantities of things)
> which caused the highest rises in my BG. Once I'd got rid of the >180
> spikes, and felt a lot better for it, I continued to try to trim the
> spikes down. I also cut down my snacking, because that was keeping my
> between-meals BG above 96. Once I got my pp spikes below 160, and only
> briefly above 150, my heartburn pretty much vanished. I used to have
> it at least once a day. On the heart healthy whole grain diet I had a
> it a few times a week. On the paleolothic diet I was down to once or
> twice a fortnight. On the "low BG spike" diet it could be as low as
> once every several months or even more. I simply can't remember when I
> had my last episode. Could have been over a year ago.
>
> I can't say what aspect of all these changes has been the "real" key
> to getting rid of my heartburn. At one stage it looked like the
> standard whole grain, plenty veg, and reduced red meat diet was the
> key. Later it looked as though wheat intolerance was the key. Later it
> looked as though the paleolithic diet was the key. It now looks as
> though lowering postprandial BG spikes was the key. But of course that
> may simply be the next step in this ladder of improvingly good
> approximations to an as yet undiscovered truth.
>
> It could be said that this sequence of dietary changes, each of which
> improved my heart symptoms, was a sequence of lowering my carbohydrate
> intake. It would probably be more accurate to say that it was a
> sequence of lowering the total personal glycemic index of my meals. I
> say "personal glycemic index" because like many of those who have
> played with the glycemic index I found that the glycemic indices you
> get from tables in books are not infrequently very misleading. There
> seems to be a lot of personal variation, to be generous about the
> problems with the published tables of glycemic indices :-)
>
> Like Kurt I suspect that putting the finger on too many carbs and
> suggesting the key is a low carb diet is an oversimplification. Low
> carbing for me was certainly a step in partly the right direction, but
> since I can increase my carb intake without problems provided I take
> measures to ensure that the extra carbs don't spike me, low spiking
> seems to be a better compass heading to follow than low carbing in
> improving my health.
>
> Of course YMMV :-)

Please show me where I made any statement about causality. I reported
my own experience. Kurt then treated what I said as an advocacy
position, and you seem to be supporting that reading. I simply reported
what happened to me.

Priscilla

In article <VEhsh.72$2n.67@trndny06>,
"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

> "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:2v6dnYl4tpy5FSzYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>
> > I am talking about the amount of onion put on one low-carb Thickburger
> > from Hardee's.
> > Not even a whole slice just several rings from a thin slice.
>
> I am unfamiliar with Hardees so I looked up the low carb thick burger.
> According to their website it has 5 g of total carb and 2 g of fiber.
> That's 3 g total carbs. Not enough to spike anyone's BG I should think.
> Are you eating anything else with it? Extra ketchup? Anything? A drink?
> Are you testing your BG prior to eating?

Maybe he's not eating *enough* and getting a liver dump?

Priscilla

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 04:32:12 GMT, GrandpaChuck <GrandpaChuck@B4ME.org>
wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:32:45 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>I am a new T2.
>>I found out Nov. 28, 2006
>>I had a BG of 518.
>>Metformin 2x 1000mg
>>
>>I am slowly learning what I can eat and what I can not.
>>I seem to tolerate bread ok on the rare occasion when I eat it.
>>But if I even eat a small amount of red onion my BG will go high and stay
>>high.
>>Is this common or just a personal allergy?
>>Is there a conflict between metformin and onion?
>>My skin will smell like onion even hours after eating it.
>>
>>
>
>That would have to be one hell of a large onion to cause any kind of
>spike is my guess. I eat onions quite often and notice no difference
>whatever.


Dr, bernstein does not recommend eating onions - cooked ones.
I noticed they had a sweet taste, and checked, and sure enough,
there's sugar in there.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:48:01 -0600, "Davybear" <Davybear@adelphia.net>
wrote:


>You may be right about the food sensitivity.
>I tried to do a little net research and found symptoms that I had but just
>linked to having a high BG.
>http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/asthm...gy/202518.html
>
>I can not find anything that says it can cause a high BG but some of the
>symptoms suggest it.
>I only know that it seems to cause a high BG in me.
>