Ping Madison

Dear Madison
I read your pain in your notes to Mack, and I am moved to share my
story with you. I too have been suicidally depressed at points in my
life. I am now 53, and have had severe depression off & on since I was
a child. Back in the 1950's, 60's & 70's there wasn't the awareness of
childhood depression that we have now, so other than talk therapy and
some inappropriate medicines, my depression was untreated. I did have
some happy times, but the stupid fog always came back.
When I was in my 30's severe depression struck with a vengance.
Despite a nice husband, 2 wonderful children, a job I liked and a
generally good life, I wanted to die. It got so bad that I began
having auditory hallucinations - voices telling me that my children
would be much better off if I was dead because my essence was poisoning
them. OY! I ended up in my first psychiatric hopsital stay, and began
getting good medicines and excellent talk therapy. It took a total of
11 years of talk therapy, 4 hospital stays, actually taking the
medicine my doctor prescribed, and getting clean & sober off drugs &
alcohol (which I used as self treatment) to get to where I am now. IT
WAS ALL WORTH IT. I wish I could give you the lightness of heart, the
joy in life and the intense gratitude that I have today that I did not
die. Life gets better. A phrase I was taught in my first funny farm
stay has stuck with me: "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary
problem". Trite maybe, but true.
My mother killed herself nearly 13 years ago at age 63 after a lifetime
of incorrectly and un-treated depression. I wish I could share with
you the agony her death caused all of us who cared for her, especially
my sister. Suicide is the ultimate "fuck you" to the people who care
for you. It is an unanswerable statement. In my pain during my
depression, ending all feelings was what I wanted, but I didn't realize
that I would have been transferring that pain to my loved ones.
If it would help you to talk privately with someone who has been
through the pain of wanting, craving death, please email me at
sharppointy1@yahoo.com. I would be happy to share my experience,
strength and hope with you.
Barbara J

sharppointy1 wrote:
> Dear Madison
> I read your pain in your notes to Mack, and I am moved to share my
> story with you. I too have been suicidally depressed at points in my
> life. I am now 53, and have had severe depression off & on since I was
> a child. Back in the 1950's, 60's & 70's there wasn't the awareness of
> childhood depression that we have now, so other than talk therapy and
> some inappropriate medicines, my depression was untreated. I did have
> some happy times, but the stupid fog always came back.
> When I was in my 30's severe depression struck with a vengance.
> Despite a nice husband, 2 wonderful children, a job I liked and a
> generally good life, I wanted to die. It got so bad that I began
> having auditory hallucinations - voices telling me that my children
> would be much better off if I was dead because my essence was poisoning
> them. OY! I ended up in my first psychiatric hopsital stay, and began
> getting good medicines and excellent talk therapy. It took a total of
> 11 years of talk therapy, 4 hospital stays, actually taking the
> medicine my doctor prescribed, and getting clean & sober off drugs &
> alcohol (which I used as self treatment) to get to where I am now. IT
> WAS ALL WORTH IT. I wish I could give you the lightness of heart, the
> joy in life and the intense gratitude that I have today that I did not
> die. Life gets better. A phrase I was taught in my first funny farm
> stay has stuck with me: "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary
> problem". Trite maybe, but true.
> My mother killed herself nearly 13 years ago at age 63 after a lifetime
> of incorrectly and un-treated depression. I wish I could share with
> you the agony her death caused all of us who cared for her, especially
> my sister. Suicide is the ultimate "fuck you" to the people who care
> for you. It is an unanswerable statement. In my pain during my
> depression, ending all feelings was what I wanted, but I didn't realize
> that I would have been transferring that pain to my loved ones.
> If it would help you to talk privately with someone who has been
> through the pain of wanting, craving death, please email me at
> sharppointy1@yahoo.com. I would be happy to share my experience,
> strength and hope with you.
> Barbara J

The only thing that can help us overcome depression, anxiety, and/or
panic is love.

Love never fails.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
will be able to love others just a little bit more, dear Barbara whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

"sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message

i thing thoughts like this are very common among teens.
I know I have been there and thought about it many times as a kid.

I wonder how many others here can say the same thing.

I also wonder how many others here that live with not only the trouble of
illness but also intenst pain and glad that they are still here.

With all the troubles Madison may have that will seem less and less trouble
some as her life goes on. Madison is a very good looking young lady and i
would not be suprised at all if there are girls in her school that think
would trade their life for Madisons. there are probaby also lots of guys
that would love to ask her out but are to shy cause of how pretty she is. I
know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.

sometimes the troubles we face in life make us much better people and highly
respected.
One day she will have kids and a loving husband and think about how lucky
she is.

i had a friend of mine that was being charged for a murder he did not
commit. he also thought about killing himself. can you amagine spending
most of your life in jail for something you didnt do? its funny because
some how i feel that our talks way back when are part of the reason he is
still here today and when i was in my teens his friendship that was tighter
than a brothers is one of the reasons I am also here.

she should also be thinking about how this is hurting her mother and father.
they must be going crazy thinking about this.

I know my web site isnt all that much but if there is something she would
like to say to other young type 1's I would be happy to put it there.
or perhaps making her own web site would help her.


Tom

"Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in message
newszibh.10333$IW2.9827@trndny03...
:
:
: "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:
: i thing thoughts like this are very common among teens.
: I know I have been there and thought about it many times as a kid.
:
: I wonder how many others here can say the same thing.
:
: I also wonder how many others here that live with not only the trouble of
: illness but also intenst pain and glad that they are still here.
:
: With all the troubles Madison may have that will seem less and less
trouble
: some as her life goes on. Madison is a very good looking young lady and i
: would not be suprised at all if there are girls in her school that think
: would trade their life for Madisons. there are probaby also lots of guys
: that would love to ask her out but are to shy cause of how pretty she is.
I
: know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.
:
: sometimes the troubles we face in life make us much better people and
highly
: respected.
: One day she will have kids and a loving husband and think about how lucky
: she is.
:
: i had a friend of mine that was being charged for a murder he did not
: commit. he also thought about killing himself. can you amagine spending
: most of your life in jail for something you didnt do? its funny because
: some how i feel that our talks way back when are part of the reason he is
: still here today and when i was in my teens his friendship that was
tighter
: than a brothers is one of the reasons I am also here.
:
: she should also be thinking about how this is hurting her mother and
father.
: they must be going crazy thinking about this.
:
: I know my web site isnt all that much but if there is something she would
: like to say to other young type 1's I would be happy to put it there.
: or perhaps making her own web site would help her.
:
:
: Tom
:
:

I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee bit.. Personally I think
depression
IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at
times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would have kicked my ass to the moon
and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a support system at home growing
up?
Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on my own while growing up.

Is depression a mother not able to hold her child because of intense pain?
Is depression a mother missing her childs sports activities or school
activities
because of intense pain?
Is depression because you're unable to work and your husband loses HIS job
because the bills are behind?
Is depression the inability to make love with your husband because of
intense pain?
For more several years.....
Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because your husband has
to
work harder the other men to be able to by YOUR medication for YOU to
LIVE!?!
Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because you've passed on
your
shitty ass genes to your child who also has an autoimmune disease?

I could go on... believe me there is MUCH MORE.... but those are the
highlights off
the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear. What unfortunately hasn't
killed me
has only made me stronger.... and knowing there is someone out there worse
off
then I am... makes me grateful for what I have... And from what others have
posted
I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!* Buck up, wipe the snot off and
get on with
your life..

--
Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
Daily CHO: 150-200gm
TDD: 34-38u

i'm sure that Madison will really feel your
support from this post

Madison...... if you are reading this, please
ignore it.... unless someone has gone thru a
clinical depression, they have NO IDEA what you
are talking about

been there, done that, got the t-shirt

kate
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"rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0Yjbh.4851$tM1.2266@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in
message
> newszibh.10333$IW2.9827@trndny03...
> :
> :
> : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
> :
> : i thing thoughts like this are very common
among teens.
> : I know I have been there and thought about it
many times as a kid.
> :
> : I wonder how many others here can say the same
thing.
> :
> : I also wonder how many others here that live
with not only the trouble of
> : illness but also intenst pain and glad that
they are still here.
> :
> : With all the troubles Madison may have that
will seem less and less
> trouble
> : some as her life goes on. Madison is a very
good looking young lady and i
> : would not be suprised at all if there are
girls in her school that think
> : would trade their life for Madisons. there are
probaby also lots of guys
> : that would love to ask her out but are to shy
cause of how pretty she is.
> I
> : know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.
> :
> : sometimes the troubles we face in life make us
much better people and
> highly
> : respected.
> : One day she will have kids and a loving
husband and think about how lucky
> : she is.
> :
> : i had a friend of mine that was being charged
for a murder he did not
> : commit. he also thought about killing
himself. can you amagine spending
> : most of your life in jail for something you
didnt do? its funny because
> : some how i feel that our talks way back when
are part of the reason he is
> : still here today and when i was in my teens
his friendship that was
> tighter
> : than a brothers is one of the reasons I am
also here.
> :
> : she should also be thinking about how this is
hurting her mother and
> father.
> : they must be going crazy thinking about this.
> :
> : I know my web site isnt all that much but if
there is something she would
> : like to say to other young type 1's I would be
happy to put it there.
> : or perhaps making her own web site would help
her.
> :
> :
> : Tom
> :
> :
>
> I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee bit..
Personally I think
> depression
> IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the
WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at
> times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would
have kicked my ass to the moon
> and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a
support system at home growing
> up?
> Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on my
own while growing up.
>
> Is depression a mother not able to hold her
child because of intense pain?
> Is depression a mother missing her childs sports
activities or school
> activities
> because of intense pain?
> Is depression because you're unable to work and
your husband loses HIS job
> because the bills are behind?
> Is depression the inability to make love with
your husband because of
> intense pain?
> For more several years.....
> Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
daily because your husband has
> to
> work harder the other men to be able to by YOUR
medication for YOU to
> LIVE!?!
> Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
daily because you've passed on
> your
> shitty ass genes to your child who also has an
autoimmune disease?
>
> I could go on... believe me there is MUCH
MORE.... but those are the
> highlights off
> the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear.
What unfortunately hasn't
> killed me
> has only made me stronger.... and knowing there
is someone out there worse
> off
> then I am... makes me grateful for what I
have... And from what others have
> posted
> I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!*
Buck up, wipe the snot off and
> get on with
> your life..
>
> --
> Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
> DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
> A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
> Daily CHO: 150-200gm
> TDD: 34-38u
>
>

x-no-archive: yes

Dangerously ignorant and gratuitously unkind.

As usual.

I hope Madison is able to ignore this and that no harm comes to her as a
result of it.

Sheesh.

Susan

rk wrote:
> "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in message
> newszibh.10333$IW2.9827@trndny03...
> :
> :
> : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> :
> : i thing thoughts like this are very common among teens.
> : I know I have been there and thought about it many times as a kid.
> :
> : I wonder how many others here can say the same thing.
> :
> : I also wonder how many others here that live with not only the trouble of
> : illness but also intenst pain and glad that they are still here.
> :
> : With all the troubles Madison may have that will seem less and less
> trouble
> : some as her life goes on. Madison is a very good looking young lady and i
> : would not be suprised at all if there are girls in her school that think
> : would trade their life for Madisons. there are probaby also lots of guys
> : that would love to ask her out but are to shy cause of how pretty she is.
> I
> : know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.
> :
> : sometimes the troubles we face in life make us much better people and
> highly
> : respected.
> : One day she will have kids and a loving husband and think about how lucky
> : she is.
> :
> : i had a friend of mine that was being charged for a murder he did not
> : commit. he also thought about killing himself. can you amagine spending
> : most of your life in jail for something you didnt do? its funny because
> : some how i feel that our talks way back when are part of the reason he is
> : still here today and when i was in my teens his friendship that was
> tighter
> : than a brothers is one of the reasons I am also here.
> :
> : she should also be thinking about how this is hurting her mother and
> father.
> : they must be going crazy thinking about this.
> :
> : I know my web site isnt all that much but if there is something she would
> : like to say to other young type 1's I would be happy to put it there.
> : or perhaps making her own web site would help her.
> :
> :
> : Tom
> :
> :
>
> I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee bit.. Personally I think
> depression
> IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at
> times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would have kicked my ass to the moon
> and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a support system at home growing
> up?
> Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on my own while growing up.
>
> Is depression a mother not able to hold her child because of intense pain?
> Is depression a mother missing her childs sports activities or school
> activities
> because of intense pain?
> Is depression because you're unable to work and your husband loses HIS job
> because the bills are behind?
> Is depression the inability to make love with your husband because of
> intense pain?
> For more several years.....
> Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because your husband has
> to
> work harder the other men to be able to by YOUR medication for YOU to
> LIVE!?!
> Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because you've passed on
> your
> shitty ass genes to your child who also has an autoimmune disease?
>
> I could go on... believe me there is MUCH MORE.... but those are the
> highlights off
> the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear. What unfortunately hasn't
> killed me
> has only made me stronger.... and knowing there is someone out there worse
> off
> then I am... makes me grateful for what I have... And from what others have
> posted
> I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!* Buck up, wipe the snot off and
> get on with
> your life..
>

Please... LOL I've "heard" all about your depression...
and should be called pathetic instead... ever open
that 5yr can of Salmon yet? LMAO...

As everyone in this PUBLIC newsgroup is allowed to
express their opinion, I am as well... If you don't want
crap talked about... then don't post.

--
Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
Daily CHO: 150-200gm
TDD: 34-38u

"TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:4t61ghF11s9n5U1@mid.individual.net...
: i'm sure that Madison will really feel your
: support from this post
:
: Madison...... if you are reading this, please
: ignore it.... unless someone has gone thru a
: clinical depression, they have NO IDEA what you
: are talking about
:
: been there, done that, got the t-shirt
:
: kate
: --
: Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet
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: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm
: I have no medical qualifications beyond my own
: experience.
: Choose your advisers carefully, because experience
: can be
: an expensive teacher.
:
: "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:0Yjbh.4851$tM1.2266@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
: > "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in
: message
: > newszibh.10333$IW2.9827@trndny03...
: > :
: > :
: > : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote
: in message
: > :
: > : i thing thoughts like this are very common
: among teens.
: > : I know I have been there and thought about it
: many times as a kid.
: > :
: > : I wonder how many others here can say the same
: thing.
: > :
: > : I also wonder how many others here that live
: with not only the trouble of
: > : illness but also intenst pain and glad that
: they are still here.
: > :
: > : With all the troubles Madison may have that
: will seem less and less
: > trouble
: > : some as her life goes on. Madison is a very
: good looking young lady and i
: > : would not be suprised at all if there are
: girls in her school that think
: > : would trade their life for Madisons. there are
: probaby also lots of guys
: > : that would love to ask her out but are to shy
: cause of how pretty she is.
: > I
: > : know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.
: > :
: > : sometimes the troubles we face in life make us
: much better people and
: > highly
: > : respected.
: > : One day she will have kids and a loving
: husband and think about how lucky
: > : she is.
: > :
: > : i had a friend of mine that was being charged
: for a murder he did not
: > : commit. he also thought about killing
: himself. can you amagine spending
: > : most of your life in jail for something you
: didnt do? its funny because
: > : some how i feel that our talks way back when
: are part of the reason he is
: > : still here today and when i was in my teens
: his friendship that was
: > tighter
: > : than a brothers is one of the reasons I am
: also here.
: > :
: > : she should also be thinking about how this is
: hurting her mother and
: > father.
: > : they must be going crazy thinking about this.
: > :
: > : I know my web site isnt all that much but if
: there is something she would
: > : like to say to other young type 1's I would be
: happy to put it there.
: > : or perhaps making her own web site would help
: her.
: > :
: > :
: > : Tom
: > :
: > :
: >
: > I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee bit..
: Personally I think
: > depression
: > IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the
: WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at
: > times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would
: have kicked my ass to the moon
: > and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a
: support system at home growing
: > up?
: > Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on my
: own while growing up.
: >
: > Is depression a mother not able to hold her
: child because of intense pain?
: > Is depression a mother missing her childs sports
: activities or school
: > activities
: > because of intense pain?
: > Is depression because you're unable to work and
: your husband loses HIS job
: > because the bills are behind?
: > Is depression the inability to make love with
: your husband because of
: > intense pain?
: > For more several years.....
: > Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
: daily because your husband has
: > to
: > work harder the other men to be able to by YOUR
: medication for YOU to
: > LIVE!?!
: > Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
: daily because you've passed on
: > your
: > shitty ass genes to your child who also has an
: autoimmune disease?
: >
: > I could go on... believe me there is MUCH
: MORE.... but those are the
: > highlights off
: > the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear.
: What unfortunately hasn't
: > killed me
: > has only made me stronger.... and knowing there
: is someone out there worse
: > off
: > then I am... makes me grateful for what I
: have... And from what others have
: > posted
: > I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!*
: Buck up, wipe the snot off and
: > get on with
: > your life..
: >
: > --
: > Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
: > DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
: > A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
: > Daily CHO: 150-200gm
: > TDD: 34-38u
: >
: >
:
:

your kindness is only exceeded by your IQ

i would expect as much from you

kate
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Choose your advisers carefully, because experience
can be
an expensive teacher.

"rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2pkbh.4744$ql2.337@newsread3.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Please... LOL I've "heard" all about your
depression...
> and should be called pathetic instead... ever
open
> that 5yr can of Salmon yet? LMAO...
>
> As everyone in this PUBLIC newsgroup is allowed
to
> express their opinion, I am as well... If you
don't want
> crap talked about... then don't post.
>
> --
> Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
> DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
> A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
> Daily CHO: 150-200gm
> TDD: 34-38u
>
> "TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:4t61ghF11s9n5U1@mid.individual.net...
> : i'm sure that Madison will really feel your
> : support from this post
> :
> : Madison...... if you are reading this, please
> : ignore it.... unless someone has gone thru a
> : clinical depression, they have NO IDEA what
you
> : are talking about
> :
> : been there, done that, got the t-shirt
> :
> : kate
> : --
> : Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on
UnderNet
> : /server irc.undernet.org --- /join
#Diabetic-Talk
> : More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/
> : http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm
> : I have no medical qualifications beyond my own
> : experience.
> : Choose your advisers carefully, because
experience
> : can be
> : an expensive teacher.
> :
> : "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote in
message
> :
news:0Yjbh.4851$tM1.2266@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> : > "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote
in
> : message
> : > newszibh.10333$IW2.9827@trndny03...
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com>
wrote
> : in message
> : > :
> : > : i thing thoughts like this are very common
> : among teens.
> : > : I know I have been there and thought about
it
> : many times as a kid.
> : > :
> : > : I wonder how many others here can say the
same
> : thing.
> : > :
> : > : I also wonder how many others here that
live
> : with not only the trouble of
> : > : illness but also intenst pain and glad
that
> : they are still here.
> : > :
> : > : With all the troubles Madison may have
that
> : will seem less and less
> : > trouble
> : > : some as her life goes on. Madison is a
very
> : good looking young lady and i
> : > : would not be suprised at all if there are
> : girls in her school that think
> : > : would trade their life for Madisons. there
are
> : probaby also lots of guys
> : > : that would love to ask her out but are to
shy
> : cause of how pretty she is.
> : > I
> : > : know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.
> : > :
> : > : sometimes the troubles we face in life
make us
> : much better people and
> : > highly
> : > : respected.
> : > : One day she will have kids and a loving
> : husband and think about how lucky
> : > : she is.
> : > :
> : > : i had a friend of mine that was being
charged
> : for a murder he did not
> : > : commit. he also thought about killing
> : himself. can you amagine spending
> : > : most of your life in jail for something
you
> : didnt do? its funny because
> : > : some how i feel that our talks way back
when
> : are part of the reason he is
> : > : still here today and when i was in my
teens
> : his friendship that was
> : > tighter
> : > : than a brothers is one of the reasons I am
> : also here.
> : > :
> : > : she should also be thinking about how this
is
> : hurting her mother and
> : > father.
> : > : they must be going crazy thinking about
this.
> : > :
> : > : I know my web site isnt all that much but
if
> : there is something she would
> : > : like to say to other young type 1's I
would be
> : happy to put it there.
> : > : or perhaps making her own web site would
help
> : her.
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : Tom
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : > I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee
bit..
> : Personally I think
> : > depression
> : > IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the
> : WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at
> : > times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would
> : have kicked my ass to the moon
> : > and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a
> : support system at home growing
> : > up?
> : > Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on
my
> : own while growing up.
> : >
> : > Is depression a mother not able to hold her
> : child because of intense pain?
> : > Is depression a mother missing her childs
sports
> : activities or school
> : > activities
> : > because of intense pain?
> : > Is depression because you're unable to work
and
> : your husband loses HIS job
> : > because the bills are behind?
> : > Is depression the inability to make love
with
> : your husband because of
> : > intense pain?
> : > For more several years.....
> : > Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
> : daily because your husband has
> : > to
> : > work harder the other men to be able to by
YOUR
> : medication for YOU to
> : > LIVE!?!
> : > Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
> : daily because you've passed on
> : > your
> : > shitty ass genes to your child who also has
an
> : autoimmune disease?
> : >
> : > I could go on... believe me there is MUCH
> : MORE.... but those are the
> : > highlights off
> : > the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear.
> : What unfortunately hasn't
> : > killed me
> : > has only made me stronger.... and knowing
there
> : is someone out there worse
> : > off
> : > then I am... makes me grateful for what I
> : have... And from what others have
> : > posted
> : > I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!*
> : Buck up, wipe the snot off and
> : > get on with
> : > your life..
> : >
> : > --
> : > Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
> : > DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
> : > A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
> : > Daily CHO: 150-200gm
> : > TDD: 34-38u
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Dangerously ignorant and gratuitously unkind.

Are you talking about your posts to Julie Bove in M.H.D. recently?
Then I'd have to agree with you.

Instead of insults, why not post a rebuttal if you disagree with what
Reisa posted. I notice that insulting is the m.o. in this group when
someone posts an "opinion" that goes against the majority thinking.

Kurt

Hi Madison,

This is just a quick note to let you know that very many of us are "in your
corner" and pulling for you... Depression can be debilitating, and anyone
who has ever suffered from real depression knows that. Also, I can attest
that it is a real source of heartache for parents and family members to see
a child or loved one suffer from its effects. Some aches just will not go
away easily.

I am very glad that you seem to be getting the help you need. There is no
shame in what has happened in your life. I am just happy for you that you
are now on the mend. If there is ever anything I can do or say that may
make a positive difference for you, please let me know...

Will, T2

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Kurt...... did you READ what j0j0 had to say to
Madison!

it was negligent to say that to her

and what qualifications does she have to say what
she did

YOU are the one saying WE aren't qualified to
offer advice

RK's 'support' sucked pond water...... and SHE is
the first to complain that WE don't support
HER............. i guess you will be able to see
WHY if you read her post to Madison!

i'm appalled!

kate
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"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
news:1164829220.558679.126900@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Susan wrote:
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > Dangerously ignorant and gratuitously unkind.
>
> Are you talking about your posts to Julie Bove
in M.H.D. recently?
> Then I'd have to agree with you.
>
> Instead of insults, why not post a rebuttal if
you disagree with what
> Reisa posted. I notice that insulting is the
m.o. in this group when
> someone posts an "opinion" that goes against the
majority thinking.
>
> Kurt
>

In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:48:50 -0700 in Msg.#
<4t6a36F12d4h1U1@mid.individual.net>, "TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Kurt...... did you READ what j0j0 had to say to
> Madison!
>
> it was negligent to say that to her
>
> and what qualifications does she have to say what
> she did
>
> YOU are the one saying WE aren't qualified to
> offer advice
>
> RK's 'support' sucked pond water......

And, it smacked of little or no education from any source when it comes to
mental illness, depression & suicide.

> and SHE is
> the first to complain that WE don't support
> HER............. i guess you will be able to see
> WHY if you read her post to Madison!
>
> i'm appalled!

It disgusted me.

And, I've worked really hard at staying out of the food throwing wars here
since I got here.

--
Donna B : ^> <*>
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

"After many years of trying to find steady work, I finally got a job as a
Historian - until I realized there was no future in it." - Unknown

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:44:30 -0700, "TigerLily" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>your kindness is only exceeded by your IQ
>
>i would expect as much from you
>
>kate

Hi, Kate --

I feel so silly. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why you
were saying that to Barbara! I finally scolled down to see what was
going on and found the posts I missed.

I guess when she complains, she's expressing an opinion, but when
anyone else does it, they are whining. The funny thing about growing
up is learning self-control and that the world doesn't revolve around
you. Looks like there's still some work to be done there.

I have a few of those t-shirts myself -- perhaps we can all get
together and sponsor a baseball team? We'd already have the uniforms!
;-)

--

BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005

The things that come to those who wait will
be the things left by those who got there first.

Blue......... i'm simply reeling from the
potential impact her ignorant words will have on
Madison, and i pray that Madison can maintain SOME
self-esteem in light of such ignorance!

yes, we should get a team together for the BTDT
t-shirt club :-)

kate
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can be
an expensive teacher.

"BlueBrooke" <.@.> wrote in message
news:6jtrm2dunau8v792gs9vd17dcvl2jc6cc8@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:44:30 -0700, "TigerLily"
<me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >your kindness is only exceeded by your IQ
> >
> >i would expect as much from you
> >
> >kate
>
> Hi, Kate --
>
> I feel so silly. I couldn't for the life of me
figure out why you
> were saying that to Barbara! I finally scolled
down to see what was
> going on and found the posts I missed.
>
> I guess when she complains, she's expressing an
opinion, but when
> anyone else does it, they are whining. The
funny thing about growing
> up is learning self-control and that the world
doesn't revolve around
> you. Looks like there's still some work to be
done there.
>
> I have a few of those t-shirts myself -- perhaps
we can all get
> together and sponsor a baseball team? We'd
already have the uniforms!
> ;-)
>
> --
>
> BlueBrooke
> T2/D&E/June 2005
>
> The things that come to those who wait will
> be the things left by those who got there first.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:19:08 -0700, "TigerLily" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Blue......... i'm simply reeling from the
>potential impact her ignorant words will have on
>Madison, and i pray that Madison can maintain SOME
>self-esteem in light of such ignorance!

Hi, Kate --

I'm with you. It was a shock to say the least. Not only the actual
words, but the many implications from posting something like that, not
the least of which is the fact that it was aimed at that young lady!

But the upside is that it gives a keen insight into the person who
posted it in the first place. And it's even worse than I feared. I'm
just hoping Madison can see it that way -- since she's obviously much
more mature, I'm sure she'll be okay.

>yes, we should get a team together for the BTDT
>t-shirt club :-)

I like it! LOL!
--

BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005

The things that come to those who wait will
be the things left by those who got there first.

Have you ever heard of crossing the line Reisa? Posting an opinion on
someone elses post is one thing, posting things that people have told
you in private, no matter when it was, or how you feel about that
someone now, is a whole different story, and crosses that line IMO. I
think it would be helpful if you took a good look at posts like this
before hitting the send button. :-(

--
Cheri

rk wrote in message
<2pkbh.4744$ql2.337@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>...
>Please... LOL I've "heard" all about your depression...
>and should be called pathetic instead... ever open
>that 5yr can of Salmon yet? LMAO...
>
>As everyone in this PUBLIC newsgroup is allowed to
>express their opinion, I am as well... If you don't want
>crap talked about... then don't post.
>
>--
>Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
>DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
>A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
>Daily CHO: 150-200gm
>TDD: 34-38u
>
>"TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:4t61ghF11s9n5U1@mid.individual.net...
>: i'm sure that Madison will really feel your
>: support from this post
>:
>: Madison...... if you are reading this, please
>: ignore it.... unless someone has gone thru a
>: clinical depression, they have NO IDEA what you
>: are talking about
>:
>: been there, done that, got the t-shirt
>:
>: kate
>: --
>: Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet
>: /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk
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>: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm
>: I have no medical qualifications beyond my own
>: experience.
>: Choose your advisers carefully, because experience
>: can be
>: an expensive teacher.
>:
>: "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote in message
>: news:0Yjbh.4851$tM1.2266@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>: > "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in
>: message
>: > newszibh.10333$IW2.9827@trndny03...
>: > :
>: > :
>: > : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote
>: in message
>: > :
>: > : i thing thoughts like this are very common
>: among teens.
>: > : I know I have been there and thought about it
>: many times as a kid.
>: > :
>: > : I wonder how many others here can say the same
>: thing.
>: > :
>: > : I also wonder how many others here that live
>: with not only the trouble of
>: > : illness but also intenst pain and glad that
>: they are still here.
>: > :
>: > : With all the troubles Madison may have that
>: will seem less and less
>: > trouble
>: > : some as her life goes on. Madison is a very
>: good looking young lady and i
>: > : would not be suprised at all if there are
>: girls in her school that think
>: > : would trade their life for Madisons. there are
>: probaby also lots of guys
>: > : that would love to ask her out but are to shy
>: cause of how pretty she is.
>: > I
>: > : know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.
>: > :
>: > : sometimes the troubles we face in life make us
>: much better people and
>: > highly
>: > : respected.
>: > : One day she will have kids and a loving
>: husband and think about how lucky
>: > : she is.
>: > :
>: > : i had a friend of mine that was being charged
>: for a murder he did not
>: > : commit. he also thought about killing
>: himself. can you amagine spending
>: > : most of your life in jail for something you
>: didnt do? its funny because
>: > : some how i feel that our talks way back when
>: are part of the reason he is
>: > : still here today and when i was in my teens
>: his friendship that was
>: > tighter
>: > : than a brothers is one of the reasons I am
>: also here.
>: > :
>: > : she should also be thinking about how this is
>: hurting her mother and
>: > father.
>: > : they must be going crazy thinking about this.
>: > :
>: > : I know my web site isnt all that much but if
>: there is something she would
>: > : like to say to other young type 1's I would be
>: happy to put it there.
>: > : or perhaps making her own web site would help
>: her.
>: > :
>: > :
>: > : Tom
>: > :
>: > :
>: >
>: > I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee bit..
>: Personally I think
>: > depression
>: > IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the
>: WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at
>: > times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would
>: have kicked my ass to the moon
>: > and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a
>: support system at home growing
>: > up?
>: > Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on my
>: own while growing up.
>: >
>: > Is depression a mother not able to hold her
>: child because of intense pain?
>: > Is depression a mother missing her childs sports
>: activities or school
>: > activities
>: > because of intense pain?
>: > Is depression because you're unable to work and
>: your husband loses HIS job
>: > because the bills are behind?
>: > Is depression the inability to make love with
>: your husband because of
>: > intense pain?
>: > For more several years.....
>: > Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
>: daily because your husband has
>: > to
>: > work harder the other men to be able to by YOUR
>: medication for YOU to
>: > LIVE!?!
>: > Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry
>: daily because you've passed on
>: > your
>: > shitty ass genes to your child who also has an
>: autoimmune disease?
>: >
>: > I could go on... believe me there is MUCH
>: MORE.... but those are the
>: > highlights off
>: > the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear.
>: What unfortunately hasn't
>: > killed me
>: > has only made me stronger.... and knowing there
>: is someone out there worse
>: > off
>: > then I am... makes me grateful for what I
>: have... And from what others have
>: > posted
>: > I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!*
>: Buck up, wipe the snot off and
>: > get on with
>: > your life..
>: >
>: > --
>: > Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
>: > DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
>: > A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
>: > Daily CHO: 150-200gm
>: > TDD: 34-38u
>: >
>: >
>:
>:
>
>

Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL
;-)

--
Cheri

Donna B wrote in message

>And, I've worked really hard at staying out of the food throwing wars
here
>since I got here.
>
>--
>Donna B : ^> <*>
>06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
>09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:

>Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL
>;-)

:-))

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
wrote:

>Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL
>;-)

rotflmao
--

BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005

The things that come to those who wait will
be the things left by those who got there first.

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:r9GdnckJV5BuifPYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
> Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose
sides soon. LOL
> ;-)
>
> --
> Cheri
>
> Donna B wrote in message
>
> >And, I've worked really hard at staying out of the food
throwing wars
> here
> >since I got here.

I haven't thrown food since I was 10 years old!

In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800 in Msg.#
<r9GdnckJV5BuifPYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:

> Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL
> ;-)

You haven't. <Giggle>

--
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"A sneer is infinitely more noble than a syllogism." - Nietzsche

Oh yeah, I'm definitely a low carber, and I'm a low carber...because it
helps ME keep control, though it might not work for others. I always
tell the diabetics I know about LC and Jennifers' advice as a starting
point, whether they try it or not is up to them. I think the ADA serves
a purpose, especially in providing links to resources for diabetes
related things, but I don't think their dietary guidelines are up to
date at all. Personally, I have no use for the ADA diet wise, but others
may, and more power to them. Whatever works. :-)

--
Cheri
60 year old Type 2
Diagnosed July 1998
500 mg Metformin + 2 mg Amaryl daily.


Donna B wrote in message ...
>In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800 in Msg.#
><r9GdnckJV5BuifPYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri"
><gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>
>> Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL
>> ;-)
>
>You haven't. <Giggle>
>
>--
>Donna B : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel
>
>"A sneer is infinitely more noble than a syllogism." - Nietzsche

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:23:41 -0500, Donna B <shallotpeel@comcast.net>
wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800 in Msg.#
><r9GdnckJV5BuifPYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri"
><gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>
>> Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL
>> ;-)
>
>You haven't. <Giggle>

Oh ho! Touche!!
--

BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005

The things that come to those who wait will
be the things left by those who got there first.

Hey Reisa
It's too bad that you have challenges in your life that cause you pain.
Attacking others who are reaching out to someone else in pain hardly
seems like a kind thing to do. Do I think I'm weak? Not a chance. Do
I think you're mean? You bet. Hijacking a thread aimed at a young
woman who needs help is pretty low.
Barbara

rk wrote:
> "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in message
> newszibh.10333$IW2.9827@trndny03...
> :
> :
> : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> :
> : i thing thoughts like this are very common among teens.
> : I know I have been there and thought about it many times as a kid.
> :
> : I wonder how many others here can say the same thing.
> :
> : I also wonder how many others here that live with not only the trouble of
> : illness but also intenst pain and glad that they are still here.
> :
> : With all the troubles Madison may have that will seem less and less
> trouble
> : some as her life goes on. Madison is a very good looking young lady and i
> : would not be suprised at all if there are girls in her school that think
> : would trade their life for Madisons. there are probaby also lots of guys
> : that would love to ask her out but are to shy cause of how pretty she is.
> I
> : know i wish i was 35 years younger lol.
> :
> : sometimes the troubles we face in life make us much better people and
> highly
> : respected.
> : One day she will have kids and a loving husband and think about how lucky
> : she is.
> :
> : i had a friend of mine that was being charged for a murder he did not
> : commit. he also thought about killing himself. can you amagine spending
> : most of your life in jail for something you didnt do? its funny because
> : some how i feel that our talks way back when are part of the reason he is
> : still here today and when i was in my teens his friendship that was
> tighter
> : than a brothers is one of the reasons I am also here.
> :
> : she should also be thinking about how this is hurting her mother and
> father.
> : they must be going crazy thinking about this.
> :
> : I know my web site isnt all that much but if there is something she would
> : like to say to other young type 1's I would be happy to put it there.
> : or perhaps making her own web site would help her.
> :
> :
> : Tom
> :
> :
>
> I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee bit.. Personally I think
> depression
> IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at
> times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would have kicked my ass to the moon
> and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a support system at home growing
> up?
> Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on my own while growing up.
>
> Is depression a mother not able to hold her child because of intense pain?
> Is depression a mother missing her childs sports activities or school
> activities
> because of intense pain?
> Is depression because you're unable to work and your husband loses HIS job
> because the bills are behind?
> Is depression the inability to make love with your husband because of
> intense pain?
> For more several years.....
> Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because your husband has
> to
> work harder the other men to be able to by YOUR medication for YOU to
> LIVE!?!
> Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because you've passed on
> your
> shitty ass genes to your child who also has an autoimmune disease?
>
> I could go on... believe me there is MUCH MORE.... but those are the
> highlights off
> the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear. What unfortunately hasn't
> killed me
> has only made me stronger.... and knowing there is someone out there worse
> off
> then I am... makes me grateful for what I have... And from what others have
> posted
> I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!* Buck up, wipe the snot off and
> get on with
> your life..
>
> --
> Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
> DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
> A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
> Daily CHO: 150-200gm
> TDD: 34-38u

In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:16:34 -0800 in Msg.#
<S9ydnTJH5ZC9xvPYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:

> Oh yeah, I'm definitely a low carber, and I'm a low carber...because it
> helps ME keep control, though it might not work for others. I always
> tell the diabetics I know about LC and Jennifers' advice as a starting
> point, whether they try it or not is up to them. I think the ADA serves
> a purpose, especially in providing links to resources for diabetes
> related things, but I don't think their dietary guidelines are up to
> date at all. Personally, I have no use for the ADA diet wise, but others
> may, and more power to them. Whatever works. :-)<