Ping Quentin

You mentioned a problem with constipation. I thought you'd want
to know that drinking buttermilk helps with my problems with
constipation, but not enough to try using just bettermilk as the
treatment.

I found a number of web sites that agree that the bacterial culture
used in cultured buttermilk uses up some of the lactose normally
found in milk, but don't agree on whether it uses up enough of
the lactose to help everyone who has some reason to avoid it.

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser...BUTTERMILK.HTM

<http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/86722/buttermilk/86722rellinks/Related-Links#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked&title=but termilk%20%3A%3A%20Related%20Links%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia>

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ekende/lactose.htm

http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/lactose.html

"Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
> You mentioned a problem with constipation. I thought you'd want
> to know that drinking buttermilk helps with my problems with
> constipation, but not enough to try using just bettermilk as the
> treatment.
>
> I found a number of web sites that agree that the bacterial culture
> used in cultured buttermilk uses up some of the lactose normally
> found in milk, but don't agree on whether it uses up enough of
> the lactose to help everyone who has some reason to avoid it.
>
> http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser...BUTTERMILK.HTM
>
> <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/.../86722rellinks
> /Related-Links#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked&title=but termilk%20%3A%
> 3A%20Related%20Links%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia>
>
> http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ekende/lactose.htm
>
> http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/lactose.html

I eat so much hot chiles that I have to take 4,000 mg of lactobacillus a
day to get firm, but yielding, results.

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On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 02:59:01 -0500, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>You mentioned a problem with constipation. I thought you'd want
>to know that drinking buttermilk helps with my problems with
>constipation, but not enough to try using just bettermilk as the
>treatment.
>
>I found a number of web sites that agree that the bacterial culture
>used in cultured buttermilk uses up some of the lactose normally
>found in milk, but don't agree on whether it uses up enough of
>the lactose to help everyone who has some reason to avoid it.
>
>http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser...BUTTERMILK.HTM
>
><http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/86722/buttermilk/86722rellinks/Related-Links#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked&title=but termilk%20%3A%3A%20Related%20Links%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia>
>
>http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ekende/lactose.htm
>
>http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/lactose.html
>
Thank you Robert. I really do appreciate the effort you and others
have gone to helping me with this problem. It is by no means solved
those briefly I seem to have the situation reasonably under control.

At the moment I am taking some capsules that contain various strains
of lactobacillus including lactobacillus reuteri. It is my
understanding that a common lactobacillus acidophilus is an important
strain in butter milk. For the moment I'm not sure why butter milk
would give better results than the yuppie yoghurt that I make
regularly. (I put on a batch this morning)

It has what is called the ABC mix; Acidophilus, bifidum and casei.
With the following range of bacteria some of them are bound to
beneficial: lactobacillus bulgaricus, streptococcus.thermophilus,
lactobacillus acidophilus, bifidobacteria, lactobacillus casei

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidophilus

While streptococcus looks like the makings of a sore throat this
definitely isn't so. It is a harmless strain and is used to remove
oxygen from the milk so that the lactobacillus will thrive.

While at the moment I don't see why buttermilk would do better that
doesn't mean it doesn't. It could be worth a go.

Thank you Robert.
Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On 04 Jul 2008 08:40:01 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>I eat so much hot chiles that I have to take 4,000 mg of lactobacillus a
>day to get firm, but yielding, results.
>
>--
>Nick.

In the past I've used yoghurt when troubled by diarrhea. I worked for
me though many authorities advocate staying away from milk products.

They do so with good reason. When the tissues are inflamed we are all
temporarily lactose intolerant. The enzyme required to split the
double sugar lactose into glucose and galactose isn't produced in
sufficient quantities because of the inflamed tissues.

Lactose is the only beta-linked double sugar that is tolerated by
some humans. Beta linkages make threads like cotton unlike the alpha
linkages that make spirals as in starch which is easily digested.
Amazing isn't it that it is all in the way the sugars are connected
that determines whether or not they are edible.

Sorry if this is a bit rough for the purists.
I've tried to make it readable.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> "Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
> >You mentioned a problem with constipation. I thought you'd want
> >to know that drinking buttermilk helps with my problems with
> >constipation, but not enough to try using just bettermilk as the
> >treatment.
> >
> >I found a number of web sites that agree that the bacterial culture
> >used in cultured buttermilk uses up some of the lactose normally
> >found in milk, but don't agree on whether it uses up enough of
> >the lactose to help everyone who has some reason to avoid it.
> >
> >http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser...BUTTERMILK.HTM
> >
> ><http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...k/86722rellink
> >s/Related-Links#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked&title=but termilk%20%3
> >A%3A%20Related%20Links%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia>
> >
> >http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ekende/lactose.htm
> >
> >http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/lactose.html
> >
> Thank you Robert. I really do appreciate the effort you and others
> have gone to helping me with this problem. It is by no means solved
> those briefly I seem to have the situation reasonably under control.
>
> At the moment I am taking some capsules that contain various strains
> of lactobacillus including lactobacillus reuteri. It is my
> understanding that a common lactobacillus acidophilus is an important
> strain in butter milk. For the moment I'm not sure why butter milk
> would give better results than the yuppie yoghurt that I make
> regularly. (I put on a batch this morning)
>
> It has what is called the ABC mix; Acidophilus, bifidum and casei.
> With the following range of bacteria some of them are bound to
> beneficial: lactobacillus bulgaricus, streptococcus.thermophilus,
> lactobacillus acidophilus, bifidobacteria, lactobacillus casei
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidophilus
>
> While streptococcus looks like the makings of a sore throat this
> definitely isn't so. It is a harmless strain and is used to remove
> oxygen from the milk so that the lactobacillus will thrive.
>
> While at the moment I don't see why buttermilk would do better that
> doesn't mean it doesn't. It could be worth a go.

That's most interesting, Quentin. Because of all the hot peppers I eat, my
BM's were extremely loose. I'm now taking 160 mg/day of a blend of:
Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus and Lactobacillus
Bifidus, which has firmed up my droppings quite nicely.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> On 04 Jul 2008 08:40:01 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>

> >I eat so much hot chiles that I have to take 4,000 mg of lactobacillus a
> >day to get firm, but yielding, results.

> In the past I've used yoghurt when troubled by diarrhea. I worked for
> me though many authorities advocate staying away from milk products.
>
> They do so with good reason. When the tissues are inflamed we are all
> temporarily lactose intolerant. The enzyme required to split the
> double sugar lactose into glucose and galactose isn't produced in
> sufficient quantities because of the inflamed tissues.
>
> Lactose is the only beta-linked double sugar that is tolerated by
> some humans. Beta linkages make threads like cotton unlike the alpha
> linkages that make spirals as in starch which is easily digested.
> Amazing isn't it that it is all in the way the sugars are connected
> that determines whether or not they are edible.
>
> Sorry if this is a bit rough for the purists.
> I've tried to make it readable.

Sorry. The 4,000 mg a day is for the Milk Thistle extract, which I take for
my liver. I take 160 mg a day of Lactobacillus.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

On 08 Jul 2008 09:21:49 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>Sorry. The 4,000 mg a day is for the Milk Thistle extract, which I take for
>my liver. I take 160 mg a day of Lactobacillus.

I've always had a fine regard for milk thistle extract. Most people
consider it important for the liver, and so it is. What interested me
was possible benefits for the kidneys as well.

Thanks for the clarification.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin