The point of Sicko

Did you see Sicko yet? The US health system is a disgrace, profits
before people, there is no greater

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19886686...week/?from=rss

This is an article from the current Newsweek, it provides all the
arguments you'd need to combat
the "socialized medicine" fear mongering of the HMO's and Insurance
companies who profit on the
graves of millions of Americans.

We bleat in our public pronouncements about the "freedom" we enjoy,
but are in fact slaves
of the profit centers, the insurance companies and lawyers and
politicians who protect them.

Here's my favorite lines from Quinn's article:

And think of the millions who plan their lives around health insurance-
where to work, whether to start a business, when to retire, even whom
to marry (there are "benefits" marriages, just as there are "green
card" marriages). It shocks the conscience that those who profit from
this mess tell us to suck it up.

It's time for average US voters to vote their self interest. The
profit pigs can provide supplemental insurance to the wealthy, but
their grip on average peoples heath care needs to end.

On Jul 24, 7:18 pm, gvrtwp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Did you see Sicko yet? The US health system is a disgrace, profits
> before people, there is no greater
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19886686...week/?from=rss
>
> This is an article from the current Newsweek, it provides all the
> arguments you'd need to combat
> the "socialized medicine" fear mongering of the HMO's and Insurance
> companies who profit on the
> graves of millions of Americans.
>
> We bleat in our public pronouncements about the "freedom" we enjoy,
> but are in fact slaves
> of the profit centers, the insurance companies and lawyers and
> politicians who protect them.
>
> Here's my favorite lines from Quinn's article:
>
> And think of the millions who plan their lives around health insurance-
> where to work, whether to start a business, when to retire, even whom
> to marry (there are "benefits" marriages, just as there are "green
> card" marriages). It shocks the conscience that those who profit from
> this mess tell us to suck it up.
>
> It's time for average US voters to vote their self interest. The
> profit pigs can provide supplemental insurance to the wealthy, but
> their grip on average peoples heath care needs to end.

Amen and well said.

The almost hysterical attacks against Moore
immediately fail when people start to consider
the 50 million uninsured, the families
going bankrupt over health issues (leading cause
of individual bankrupcy), people dying
on the floor of an emergency room
while passersby desperately try
to get help from 911 - which rejects
them because the dying person is
already in a hospital, people
being forced to decide which
of 2 fingers to have reattached
because they don't have the
money to have both fixed - THESE are
the kinds of DISGRACE that the
greatest country on earth needs
to rectify - NOW.

Citizen Jimserac

Let us break down the article.

It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who they
are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because they are
currently between jobs? What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
uninsured, even though they could be insured? What percentage of the
uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they had
medical insurance? What percentage of the uninsured, do not need insurance
because they make enough money that they do not need health insurance, they
can well afford to pay for their own healthcare?

What is the basic problem with any third party payment system? The basic
problem with any third party payment system is there is little, to no
incentive to use the service, because the ones who want to use the service
are not the ones paying for the service. And since they are not the ones
paying for the service, they don't really care how much it cost. Think of
it this way. If the government decided to pay for all the food that you
bought, would you eat more steak or more hamburger? Would you care that the
steak cost a whole lot more than the hamburger? Why would the seller of
hamburger or steak care what cost they sell it for, when the person who
wants it, does not have to pay for it.



<gvrtwpkwy@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Did you see Sicko yet? The US health system is a disgrace, profits
> before people, there is no greater
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19886686...week/?from=rss
>
> This is an article from the current Newsweek, it provides all the
> arguments you'd need to combat
> the "socialized medicine" fear mongering of the HMO's and Insurance
> companies who profit on the
> graves of millions of Americans.
>
> We bleat in our public pronouncements about the "freedom" we enjoy,
> but are in fact slaves
> of the profit centers, the insurance companies and lawyers and
> politicians who protect them.
>
> Here's my favorite lines from Quinn's article:
>
> And think of the millions who plan their lives around health insurance-
> where to work, whether to start a business, when to retire, even whom
> to marry (there are "benefits" marriages, just as there are "green
> card" marriages). It shocks the conscience that those who profit from
> this mess tell us to suck it up.
>
> It's time for average US voters to vote their self interest. The
> profit pigs can provide supplemental insurance to the wealthy, but
> their grip on average peoples heath care needs to end.
>

"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 24, 7:18 pm, gvrtwp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Did you see Sicko yet? The US health system is a disgrace, profits
>> before people, there is no greater
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19886686...week/?from=rss
>>
>> This is an article from the current Newsweek, it provides all the
>> arguments you'd need to combat
>> the "socialized medicine" fear mongering of the HMO's and Insurance
>> companies who profit on the
>> graves of millions of Americans.
>>
>> We bleat in our public pronouncements about the "freedom" we enjoy,
>> but are in fact slaves
>> of the profit centers, the insurance companies and lawyers and
>> politicians who protect them.
>>
>> Here's my favorite lines from Quinn's article:
>>
>> And think of the millions who plan their lives around health insurance-
>> where to work, whether to start a business, when to retire, even whom
>> to marry (there are "benefits" marriages, just as there are "green
>> card" marriages). It shocks the conscience that those who profit from
>> this mess tell us to suck it up.
>>
>> It's time for average US voters to vote their self interest. The
>> profit pigs can provide supplemental insurance to the wealthy, but
>> their grip on average peoples heath care needs to end.
>
> Amen and well said.
>
> The almost hysterical attacks against Moore
> immediately fail when people start to consider
> the 50 million uninsured, the families
> going bankrupt over health issues (leading cause
> of individual bankrupcy), people dying
> on the floor of an emergency room
> while passersby desperately try
> to get help from 911 - which rejects
> them because the dying person is
> already in a hospital, people
> being forced to decide which
> of 2 fingers to have reattached
> because they don't have the
> money to have both fixed - THESE are
> the kinds of DISGRACE that the
> greatest country on earth needs
> to rectify - NOW.
>
People die when they are in the hospital, regardless of what system you
create.

gvrtwpkwy@gmail.com wrote:
> Did you see Sicko yet? The US health system is a disgrace, profits
> before people, there is no greater

No greater what? No greater disgrace?

I'm not sure of that. I have no personal experience
with Cuba's health system, but I've read a lot recently
that makes me think it's a bigger disgrace than ours.

--
Wes Groleau

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:23:48 -0700, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>People die when they are in the hospital, regardless of what system you
>create.

I think the point is one of values... Many here espouse the
fundamental "value" that all human beings should get the best
available medical care, without regard to "ability to pay" according
to some questionable ethical system that seems to be charging for the
privilege to live....

Will, T2

In mn.politics gvrtwpkwy@gmail.com wrote:
>
> And think of the millions who plan their lives around health insurance-
> where to work, whether to start a business, when to retire, even whom
> to marry (there are "benefits" marriages, just as there are "green
> card" marriages). It shocks the conscience that those who profit from
> this mess tell us to suck it up.
>
> It's time for average US voters to vote their self interest. The
> profit pigs can provide supplemental insurance to the wealthy, but
> their grip on average peoples heath care needs to end.

Every modern convenience you enjoy today, from fresh fruit in stores
to wheels on your car that spin even when the car is stopped, is
the result of "profit pigs" providing you with their products.

The problem with healthcare is not companies seeking profits; it's
that the market is so regulated that free markets are not allowed
to operate in any meaningful way. Revise the system and the
results will follow.

Every country that has socialized medicine is looking for ways to
extract themselves from the disaster they've created. Following
them down the sh*thole is not the answer.

In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who they
> are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because they are
> currently between jobs?

And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?

> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
> uninsured, even though they could be insured?

Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me, which
there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the most
part.

> What percentage of the
> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they had
> medical insurance?

I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't afford
their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't get
medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
meet all these criteria. Names please.

Henry Blaskowski wrote:
> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who
>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because
>> they are currently between jobs?
>
> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>
>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>
> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me, which
> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the most
> part.
>
>> What percentage of the
>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they
>> had medical insurance?
>
> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't afford
> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't get
> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
> meet all these criteria. Names please.


They get medical care
at taxpayer expense
right now.

Only it costs more
and gets poorer results
than 37 other countries
that do better than we do

All of Europe and at
least 31 modern nations
are capable of providing
Universal health care to
all their citizens.

Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
and bush,jr America was
the "Can Do" country.

See SICKO.

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Let us break down the article.
>
break it down and try to justify denying health care to little children ?

why do you want to deny health care to your fellow Americans,


do you want children to suffer and die ?

of course you do,

you're one of those inhumane, torturing, murdering, raping, enslaving japs,

people like you should be interred, I think they did that once,

how long have you been under the delusion that you're an American ?

you're as bad as those monsters who followed Tojo and Hitler

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> People die when they are in the hospital, regardless of what system you
> create.

lots of people died when the evil japanese empire invaded china and other
asian countries,
murdered the males and children,and put the women in whorehouses, when they
attacked pearl harbor,
conducted experiments on American pow's, murdered and brutalized civilians
and prisoners,
bayoneted babies, etc.

apparently, because of your inhuman and murderous cultural heritage, you
have no empathy for human beings
and your opinions should be immediately dismissed

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who
>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because
>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>
>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>
>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>
>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me, which
>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the most
>> part.
>>
>>> What percentage of the
>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they
>>> had medical insurance?
>>
>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't afford
>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't get
>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>
>
> They get medical care
> at taxpayer expense
> right now.

So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>
> Only it costs more
> and gets poorer results
> than 37 other countries
> that do better than we do

Why do you believe that?
>
> All of Europe and at
> least 31 modern nations
> are capable of providing
> Universal health care to
> all their citizens.

At what cost?
>
> Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
> and bush,jr America was
> the "Can Do" country.
>
It was a "Can Do" nation without universal health insurance.

"Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46a6a5f0$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Let us break down the article.
>>
> break it down and try to justify denying health care to little children ?

Little children for the most part do not have life threatening diseases.
Little children, other than colds, do not have much need for free
healthcare, their parents if they can and do care for their children will
find the care they need.
>
> why do you want to deny health care to your fellow Americans,

You deny health care to fellow Americans in any event. Take a look at what
the State of Oregon has done, when they created a list of services they
would pay for and a list of services they will not pay for. Take a look at
Canada and England, who both have instituted various rationing schemes were
some who think they want the care, cannot get the care, unless they pay for
the care. Which means those who are poor (the very people liberals say they
are concerned about) are the ones who get the short end of the stick, when
the government decides that they will ration care.

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know
>>>> who
>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time,
>>>> because
>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>
>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>
>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need
>>>> health
>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to
>>>> be
>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>
>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me,
>>> which
>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the
>>> most
>>> part.
>>>
>>>> What percentage of the
>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if
>>>> they
>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>
>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't
>>> afford
>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't
>>> get
>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>
>>
>> They get medical care
>> at taxpayer expense
>> right now.
>
> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>
>> Only it costs more
>> and gets poorer results
>> than 37 other countries
>> that do better than we do
>
> Why do you believe that?

Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on healthcare
than any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks 37th in healthcare
quality.

>>
>> All of Europe and at
>> least 31 modern nations
>> are capable of providing
>> Universal health care to
>> all their citizens.
>
> At what cost?

Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.

>>
>> Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
>> and bush,jr America was
>> the "Can Do" country.
>>
> It was a "Can Do" nation without universal health insurance.

It is this simple, if you are Mexican you get free emergency room
services without questions, walk in and walk out. If you are American,
you are asked for information for insurance, .etc, so creditors can take
your properties.

Non Legal Mexicans already have socialize free medical.



Lamont Cranston wrote:
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46a77f1d$0$31251$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know
>>>>> who
>>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time,
>>>>> because
>>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
>>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
>>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>>
>>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need
>>>>> health
>>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to
>>>>> be
>>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
>>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me,
>>>> which
>>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the
>>>> most
>>>> part.
>>>>
>>>>> What percentage of the
>>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if
>>>>> they
>>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
>>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't
>>>> afford
>>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't
>>>> get
>>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
>>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>>
>>> They get medical care
>>> at taxpayer expense
>>> right now.
>> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>> Only it costs more
>>> and gets poorer results
>>> than 37 other countries
>>> that do better than we do
>> Why do you believe that?
>
> Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on healthcare
> than any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks 37th in healthcare
> quality.
>
>>> All of Europe and at
>>> least 31 modern nations
>>> are capable of providing
>>> Universal health care to
>>> all their citizens.
>> At what cost?
>
> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.
>
>>> Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
>>> and bush,jr America was
>>> the "Can Do" country.
>>>
>> It was a "Can Do" nation without universal health insurance.
>
>

The real question is do you want legal americans to have the same
socialize benefits as non legal americans already have now?



tnt wrote:
>
> It is this simple, if you are Mexican you get free emergency room
> services without questions, walk in and walk out. If you are American,
> you are asked for information for insurance, .etc, so creditors can take
> your properties.
>
> Non Legal Mexicans already have socialize free medical.
>
>
>
> Lamont Cranston wrote:
>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a77f1d$0$31251$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who
>>>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because
>>>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
>>>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
>>>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>>>
>>>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
>>>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
>>>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
>>>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me, which
>>>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the most
>>>>> part.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What percentage of the
>>>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they
>>>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
>>>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't afford
>>>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't get
>>>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
>>>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>>>
>>>> They get medical care
>>>> at taxpayer expense
>>>> right now.
>>> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>>> Only it costs more
>>>> and gets poorer results
>>>> than 37 other countries
>>>> that do better than we do
>>> Why do you believe that?
>>
>> Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on healthcare
>> than any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks 37th in healthcare
>> quality.
>>
>>>> All of Europe and at
>>>> least 31 modern nations
>>>> are capable of providing
>>>> Universal health care to
>>>> all their citizens.
>>> At what cost?
>>
>> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.
>>
>>>> Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
>>>> and bush,jr America was
>>>> the "Can Do" country.
>>>>
>>> It was a "Can Do" nation without universal health insurance.
>>
>>
>
>

"tnt" <tnt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The real question is do you want legal americans to have the same
> socialize benefits as non legal americans already have now?

"socialize benefits"

What the fuck are you talking about?


>
>
>
> tnt wrote:
>>
>> It is this simple, if you are Mexican you get free emergency room
>> services without questions, walk in and walk out. If you are
>> American, you are asked for information for insurance, .etc, so
>> creditors can take your properties.
>>
>> Non Legal Mexicans already have socialize free medical.

No, they don't.


>>
>>
>>
>> Lamont Cranston wrote:
>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46a77f1d$0$31251$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>>>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you
>>>>>>> know who
>>>>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time,
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those
>>>>>> gaps
>>>>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>>>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to
>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need
>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen"
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>>>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What percentage of the
>>>>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't
>>>>>> afford
>>>>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>>>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>>>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>>>>
>>>>> They get medical care
>>>>> at taxpayer expense
>>>>> right now.
>>>> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>>>> Only it costs more
>>>>> and gets poorer results
>>>>> than 37 other countries
>>>>> that do better than we do
>>>> Why do you believe that?
>>>
>>> Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on
>>> healthcare than any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks
>>> 37th in healthcare quality.
>>>
>>>>> All of Europe and at
>>>>> least 31 modern nations
>>>>> are capable of providing
>>>>> Universal health care to
>>>>> all their citizens.
>>>> At what cost?
>>>
>>> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.
>>>
>>>>> Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
>>>>> and bush,jr America was
>>>>> the "Can Do" country.
>>>>>
>>>> It was a "Can Do" nation without universal health insurance.
>>>
>>>
>>

>>>>
>>>> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>> Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
>>>>>> and bush,jr America was
>>>>>> the "Can Do" country.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It was a "Can Do" nation without universal health insurance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
When I was young, we had great hopes for America. WW2
and it's disasters were past. Production was going
full force to fill the war induced shortages which were gross

We a family oriented society where cheaters were socially
rejected and shunned.

Cheat a person and the community soon spread the word.


Then we entered a new age. We are still changing.

Oh yes Docs still made house calls and were members of
the community.

The GI Bill led to a very good educated class.

Class inequities were still around but not as bad as pictured today.
I know I did not practice the items I see pictured today.

We had great faith. in a fair and decent society.

Then the rats move out to take a toll. We got so rich by hard work
and had a few toys.

But I would not dare go on certain Houston streets that I could go on
at 3AM then without a second thought.

We have gone from the murder of the week to the murder of
the hour.

Our failures have moved to all segments so why not medical care.

In fact most medical people are still decent.

All stories have two sides.

..

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In GA sometimes on tv they will say non legals do not worry, you medical
treatment is free and you will not be reported or asked any qustions. On
the news.

Lamont Cranston wrote:
> "tnt" <tnt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e1918$46a79a0a$471feae2$8402@ALLTEL.NET...
>> The real question is do you want legal americans to have the same
>> socialize benefits as non legal americans already have now?
>
> "socialize benefits"
>
> What the fuck are you talking about?
>
>
>>
>>
>> tnt wrote:
>>> It is this simple, if you are Mexican you get free emergency room
>>> services without questions, walk in and walk out. If you are
>>> American, you are asked for information for insurance, .etc, so
>>> creditors can take your properties.
>>>
>>> Non Legal Mexicans already have socialize free medical.
>
> No, they don't.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lamont Cranston wrote:
>>>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a77f1d$0$31251$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>>>>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you
>>>>>>>> know who
>>>>>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time,
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>>>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those
>>>>>>> gaps
>>>>>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>>>>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to
>>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>>>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need
>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen"
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>>>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>>>>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> part.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What percentage of the
>>>>>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>>>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't
>>>>>>> afford
>>>>>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>>>>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>>>>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>>>>> They get medical care
>>>>>> at taxpayer expense
>>>>>> right now.
>>>>> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>>>>> Only it costs more
>>>>>> and gets poorer results
>>>>>> than 37 other countries
>>>>>> that do better than we do
>>>>> Why do you believe that?
>>>> Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on
>>>> healthcare than any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks
>>>> 37th in healthcare quality.
>>>>
>>>>>> All of Europe and at
>>>>>> least 31 modern nations
>>>>>> are capable of providing
>>>>>> Universal health care to
>>>>>> all their citizens.
>>>>> At what cost?
>>>> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>> Before Reagan, Bush,Sr,
>>>>>> and bush,jr America was
>>>>>> the "Can Do" country.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It was a "Can Do" nation without universal health insurance.
>>>>
>

"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46a77f1d$0$31251$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who
>>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because
>>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>>
>>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
>>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
>>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>>
>>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
>>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
>>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
>>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me, which
>>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the most
>>>> part.
>>>>
>>>>> What percentage of the
>>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they
>>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>>
>>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
>>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't afford
>>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't get
>>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
>>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>>
>>>
>>> They get medical care
>>> at taxpayer expense
>>> right now.
>>
>> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>>
>>> Only it costs more
>>> and gets poorer results
>>> than 37 other countries
>>> that do better than we do
>>
>> Why do you believe that?
>
> Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on healthcare than
> any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks 37th in healthcare quality.

What counts is not the quality of healthcare, but how long you live.
>
>>>
>>> All of Europe and at
>>> least 31 modern nations
>>> are capable of providing
>>> Universal health care to
>>> all their citizens.
>>
>> At what cost?
>
> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.

Yes, but....at what cost? The answer to that quesiton is, in more rationing
of healthcare.....

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote in message
> news:f87vm7$fns$1@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a77f1d$0$31251$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who
>>>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because
>>>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>>>
>>>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
>>>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
>>>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>>>
>>>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
>>>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
>>>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
>>>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me, which
>>>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the most
>>>>> part.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What percentage of the
>>>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they
>>>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
>>>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't afford
>>>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't get
>>>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
>>>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They get medical care
>>>> at taxpayer expense
>>>> right now.
>>>
>>> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>>>
>>>> Only it costs more
>>>> and gets poorer results
>>>> than 37 other countries
>>>> that do better than we do
>>>
>>> Why do you believe that?
>>
>> Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on healthcare than
>> any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks 37th in healthcare
>> quality.
>
> What counts is not the quality of healthcare, but how long you live.
>>
>>>>
>>>> All of Europe and at
>>>> least 31 modern nations
>>>> are capable of providing
>>>> Universal health care to
>>>> all their citizens.
>>>
>>> At what cost?
>>
>> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.
>
> Yes, but....at what cost? The answer to that quesiton is, in more
> rationing of healthcare.....
>
> I love it when liberal bob and weave and end up ignoring the question.
> This show that they are completely brainwashed.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:09:46 -0700, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>
>"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@NeoConEvilFighter.com> wrote in message
>news:f87vm7$fns$1@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a77f1d$0$31251$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IxJpi.3688$P32.1292@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>>>>> In mn.politics Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It says there are 46 million uninsured in America. Do you know who
>>>>>> they are? How many are uninsured for short periods of time, because
>>>>>> they are currently between jobs?
>>>>>
>>>>> And what percentage of those would NOT be uninsured for those gaps
>>>>> if we restored a system in which individuals were encouraged to
>>>>> seek insurance on their own instead of giving tax breaks to ensure
>>>>> that employer-mandated insurance is cheaper?
>>>>>
>>>>>> What percentage of the euninsured, are children, or
>>>>>> young people (what percentage of that number, actually need health
>>>>>> insurance)? What percentage of the uninsured, have "chosen" to be
>>>>>> uninsured, even though they could be insured?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. If I win the lottery, do you think I'm buying medical
>>>>> insurance? It makes no sense. If I'm young and healthy, would I
>>>>> buy insurance? Only if there is some that makes sense for me, which
>>>>> there currently isn't because the laws don't allow it, for the most
>>>>> part.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What percentage of the
>>>>>> uninsured, don't have access to any medical services, even if they
>>>>>> had medical insurance?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a standing bet with anyone who wants to prove that there
>>>>> are people in this country who 1) need medical care, 2) can't afford
>>>>> their own care, 3) have searched for medical care, and 4) can't get
>>>>> medical care. In a country of 300,000,000 people, would it be a
>>>>> crisis if 1/2 of 1% of the population fell into this category?
>>>>> How about 1/10th of 1%? Someone point me to 300,000 people who
>>>>> meet all these criteria. Names please.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They get medical care
>>>> at taxpayer expense
>>>> right now.
>>>
>>> So then it is not a problem, that needs to be addressed?
>>>>
>>>> Only it costs more
>>>> and gets poorer results
>>>> than 37 other countries
>>>> that do better than we do
>>>
>>> Why do you believe that?
>>
>> Those are the facts. The U.S. spends more per citizen on healthcare than
>> any country in the world. Yet, the U.S. ranks 37th in healthcare quality.
>
>What counts is not the quality of healthcare, but how long you live.
>>
>>>>
>>>> All of Europe and at
>>>> least 31 modern nations
>>>> are capable of providing
>>>> Universal health care to
>>>> all their citizens.
>>>
>>> At what cost?
>>
>> Less per citizen that what is paid in the U.S.
>
>Yes, but....at what cost? The answer to that quesiton is, in more rationing
>of healthcare.....

In case you have not noticed, it is already rationed to so many.

Based on wealth and position. Historically this is an unstable
situation. Finally out of the silence, a lot of angry people will
emerge as a mob.

I saw a riot at a race track once and it is not a rational scene.

The quiet anger and rage that accumulates over many years
emerges and it is not a reasonable,

Then despots use the opportunity to emerge.

I won't be here. I pity the objects where such a rage
gets directed. Smart people take a lot but they do not go
whole hog and lose all.

crowd.

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"Jack Granade" <jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> I love it when liberal bob and weave and end up ignoring the question.
>> This show that they are completely brainwashed.
>
can't help yourself can you gomer ?? just have to stomp on your dick
at every opportunity

he's one of yours, a greedy,selfish,war and draft evading conservative who
thinks he has a Buddha given right to have Americans die for his freedom,

he's Hawaiian, born in Japan, bigoted, racist, arrogant, obnoxious and not
too bright,
would never dream of asking his children to make sacrifices that he thinks
you hillbillies should
have your children and grandchildren make,


but he is smarter than your wounded war veteran impersonating 15 year old
faggot,
hertz donut

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:xyJpi.25770$bz7.17370@newssvr22.news.prodigy. net...
>>
>> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a6a5f0$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Let us break down the article.
>>>
>> break it down and try to justify denying health care to little children ?
>
> Little children for the most part do not have life threatening diseases.
> Little children, other than colds, do not have much need for free
> healthcare, their parents if they can and do care for their children will
> find the care they need.

simple minded generalization there, which is also totally irrelevant,
so let me simplify the question to make it harder for you to weasel out of
answering,

why do you want to deny health care to little children who need it, for
example the
little children with HIV, fetal alcohol and drug syndrome, birth defects,
ADD, Downs,
etc.

go ahead and be truthful, I already know why, I just wonder if any of you
blowhards ever have the guts to tell the truth instead of using the
underhanded sinister
evasive,dishonest, conservative excuses

it's because they're black and other minorities in large part, almost all
poor and
you don't consider them as valuable as yourself

just as you don't consider, and never in the past considered American
"troops", the ones
you "support", as valuable as yourself, they are and were more expendable
than your type,

bush,cheney and most conservatives had the same attitude, I wonder why Kerry
didn't ?

maybe because he was one of the humans, the REAL Americans

"Al E. Gator" <ho.ho@yahoo.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jack Granade" <jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote in message
> news:13aftj1k76t4m99@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> I love it when liberal bob and weave and end up ignoring the question.
>>> This show that they are completely brainwashed.
>>
> can't help yourself can you gomer ?? just have to stomp on your dick
> at every opportunity
>
> he's one of yours, a greedy,selfish,war and draft evading conservative who
> thinks he has a Buddha given right to have Americans die for his freedom,
>
> he's Hawaiian, born in Japan, bigoted, racist, arrogant, obnoxious and not
> too bright,
> would never dream of asking his children to ma