Prediabetes conversion to normal?

I have now lost a few more pounds. I am at 145. I was at 188 in 2001 and had
maintained around 165 from 2002 through early 2007. I was about 148 at age
18. (I'm now 63.)

I thought I was "normal" weight at 160 or so. So did my friends. But I was
on two blood pressure medications plus Lipitor and then tested my bg last
April and discovered fbgs at around 116 and near-diabetic response to
glucose/carbs.

Having lost about 15 pounds now, my fbg is 80-86 every morning and my
response to a moderately high-carb (35 g) breakfast is a 1-hr PP bg of about
100. It can still be elevated (100) at 2 hrs PP, but is back at 80-85 within
3 hrs..

Part of the change (about 10 points) is due to dropping atenolol. But the
bulk is due to the 15 pound drop in weight.

I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low side.
I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken.

Just one data point having to do with the powerful weight effects (of those
"last few pounds") on blood pressure, glucose, and lipids.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

On Nov 4, 8:07 am, Jim Chinnis <jchin...@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:
> I have now lost a few more pounds. I am at 145. I was at 188 in 2001 and had
> maintained around 165 from 2002 through early 2007. I was about 148 at age
> 18. (I'm now 63.)
>
> I thought I was "normal" weight at 160 or so. So did my friends. But I was
> on two blood pressure medications plus Lipitor and then tested my bg last
> April and discovered fbgs at around 116 and near-diabetic response to
> glucose/carbs.
>
> Having lost about 15 pounds now, my fbg is 80-86 every morning and my
> response to a moderately high-carb (35 g) breakfast is a 1-hr PP bg of about
> 100. It can still be elevated (100) at 2 hrs PP, but is back at 80-85 within
> 3 hrs..
>
> Part of the change (about 10 points) is due to dropping atenolol. But the
> bulk is due to the 15 pound drop in weight.
>
> I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low side.
> I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken.
>
> Just one data point having to do with the powerful weight effects (of those
> "last few pounds") on blood pressure, glucose, and lipids.
> --
> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Wow, great work Jim! So how did you lose those addtional 15 pounds?
I ask, because according to the weight charts, I'm right in the middle
of where I'm supposed to be, but now you're making me wonder....

Oh, and I have to 2nd Nicky's word of caution. An ASD poster...I
think it was Will, but won't swear to it...related that his daughter
was pre-diabetic, modified her diet, lost weight, then returned to her
former eating habits only to land back in full-blown diabetes. (Will,
if you read this and it wasn't your story, my apologies.) Anyway, you
get the point.

Still, give yourself a huge pat on the back. Your improvement is an
awesome achievement!

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

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Jim Chinnis wrote:
> I have now lost a few more pounds. I am at 145. I was at 188 in 2001 and had
> maintained around 165 from 2002 through early 2007. I was about 148 at age
> 18. (I'm now 63.)
>
> I thought I was "normal" weight at 160 or so. So did my friends. But I was
> on two blood pressure medications plus Lipitor and then tested my bg last
> April and discovered fbgs at around 116 and near-diabetic response to
> glucose/carbs.
>
> Having lost about 15 pounds now, my fbg is 80-86 every morning and my
> response to a moderately high-carb (35 g) breakfast is a 1-hr PP bg of about
> 100. It can still be elevated (100) at 2 hrs PP, but is back at 80-85 within
> 3 hrs..
>
> Part of the change (about 10 points) is due to dropping atenolol. But the
> bulk is due to the 15 pound drop in weight.

How do you know that?

But congrats, whatever did it!

>
> I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low side.
> I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken.
>

Great progress, time for JPEGS, though. ;-)

Susan

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Jim Chinnis wrote:
>> I have now lost a few more pounds. I am at 145. I was at 188 in 2001 and had
>> maintained around 165 from 2002 through early 2007. I was about 148 at age
>> 18. (I'm now 63.)
>>
>> I thought I was "normal" weight at 160 or so. So did my friends. But I was
>> on two blood pressure medications plus Lipitor and then tested my bg last
>> April and discovered fbgs at around 116 and near-diabetic response to
>> glucose/carbs.
>>
>> Having lost about 15 pounds now, my fbg is 80-86 every morning and my
>> response to a moderately high-carb (35 g) breakfast is a 1-hr PP bg of about
>> 100. It can still be elevated (100) at 2 hrs PP, but is back at 80-85 within
>> 3 hrs..
>>
>> Part of the change (about 10 points) is due to dropping atenolol. But the
>> bulk is due to the 15 pound drop in weight.
>
>How do you know that?

I don't *know* how to credit the effect to atenolol vs weight. But I kept
detailed records, even calculating regression coefficients and stuff. My
*take* is that dropping the atenolol (25mg/d down to 5mg/d at present)
dropped both fbg and PP bg about 10 pts. There was no further drop even
after weeks, until I pushed harder to lose weight.

>But congrats, whatever did it!

*You* helped.

>> I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low side.
>> I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken.
>>
>
>Great progress, time for JPEGS, though. ;-)

Maybe I'll post some of the shots from my upcoming underwear ads.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in part:

>Wow, great work Jim! So how did you lose those addtional 15 pounds?
>I ask, because according to the weight charts, I'm right in the middle
>of where I'm supposed to be, but now you're making me wonder....

Low carbing, mostly eating at home, less time at my desk and more outdoor
and gym time. Plus the biggest factor: fear. If I could find any fat, I
figured it might be killing me.

>Oh, and I have to 2nd Nicky's word of caution. An ASD poster...I
>think it was Will, but won't swear to it...related that his daughter
>was pre-diabetic, modified her diet, lost weight, then returned to her
>former eating habits only to land back in full-blown diabetes. (Will,
>if you read this and it wasn't your story, my apologies.) Anyway, you
>get the point.

Yes. I understand. I need to keep insulin resistance low and portions low.
Forever.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

In article <3f4si3ls4hncqiu4ajk40pc4671mgcl098@4ax.com>,
Jim Chinnis <jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:

> "Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in part:
>
> >Wow, great work Jim! So how did you lose those addtional 15 pounds?
> >I ask, because according to the weight charts, I'm right in the middle
> >of where I'm supposed to be, but now you're making me wonder....
>
> Low carbing, mostly eating at home, less time at my desk and more outdoor
> and gym time. Plus the biggest factor: fear. If I could find any fat, I
> figured it might be killing me.
>
Jim you made me think of the middle way.

Bill

http://www.roadjunky.com/guide/672/b...m-guide-online

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid

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Jim Chinnis wrote:

> I don't *know* how to credit the effect to atenolol vs weight. But I kept
> detailed records, even calculating regression coefficients and stuff. My
> *take* is that dropping the atenolol (25mg/d down to 5mg/d at present)
> dropped both fbg and PP bg about 10 pts. There was no further drop even
> after weeks, until I pushed harder to lose weight.

It's possible that your calc is correct, but it's typically a good 2-3
mos. before the complete response to an endocrine change takes place.


>>But congrats, whatever did it!
>
>
> *You* helped.

Nah, I nagged. ;-)


>>>I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low side.
>>>I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken.
>>>
>>
>>Great progress, time for JPEGS, though. ;-)
>
>
> Maybe I'll post some of the shots from my upcoming underwear ads.

You can shoot those over to me.

No need to get everyone else in an uproar.

Susan

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Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Jim Chinnis wrote:
>
>> I don't *know* how to credit the effect to atenolol vs weight. But I kept
>> detailed records, even calculating regression coefficients and stuff. My
>> *take* is that dropping the atenolol (25mg/d down to 5mg/d at present)
>> dropped both fbg and PP bg about 10 pts. There was no further drop even
>> after weeks, until I pushed harder to lose weight.
>
>
> It's possible that your calc is correct, but it's typically a good 2-3
> mos. before the complete response to an endocrine change takes place.

You know, I can't help wondering if the atenelol was/is the whole issue
behind your bg/ir?

Susan

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:14:27 -0500, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Jim Chinnis wrote:
>> Maybe I'll post some of the shots from my upcoming underwear ads.
>
>You can shoot those over to me.
>
>No need to get everyone else in an uproar.

Hey! Be nice, share

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

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Nicky wrote:
>
> Hey! Be nice, share
>

I've a feeling that if Jim ever does shoot an underwear ad, you couldn't
stop him from sharing. ;-)

Susan

Susan wrote in message <5p6ukvFl6apaU2@mid.individual.net>...
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Nicky wrote:
>>
>> Hey! Be nice, share
>>
>
>I've a feeling that if Jim ever does shoot an underwear ad, you
couldn't
>stop him from sharing. ;-)
>
>Susan

LOL, ya think?

Cheri

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Susan wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Jim Chinnis wrote:
>>
>>> I don't *know* how to credit the effect to atenolol vs weight. But I kept
>>> detailed records, even calculating regression coefficients and stuff. My
>>> *take* is that dropping the atenolol (25mg/d down to 5mg/d at present)
>>> dropped both fbg and PP bg about 10 pts. There was no further drop even
>>> after weeks, until I pushed harder to lose weight.
>>
>>
>> It's possible that your calc is correct, but it's typically a good 2-3
>> mos. before the complete response to an endocrine change takes place.
>
>You know, I can't help wondering if the atenelol was/is the whole issue
>behind your bg/ir?

Yes. I give that a reasonable probability. I was on atenolol 50 mg ever
since mitral valve surgery in 1988. The study I saw said that diabetes was a
pretty frequent "side effect" and that the risk rose "exponentially" with
time. I was on the beta blocker for 19 years! I wasn't ever obese or even
horribly overweight by todays inflated standards, either. And I exercised a
lot and had no family history.

But... That doesn't mean that losing the excess weight didn't have a big
impact and won't help to keep me from becoming DM. I had mild hypertension
since the late 1970s and had low HDL and high TGL since about that time as
well. So the excess weight certainly wasn't helping matters. I even plotted
my weight against lipids: my HDL varied inversely with my weight over the
years.

So I've done both: I've cut the atenolol and lost the weight.

You and others here helped me figure it out, and I am grateful.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

friend Jim Chinnis wrote:
>
> I have now lost a few more pounds. I am at 145. I was at 188 in 2001 and had
> maintained around 165 from 2002 through early 2007. I was about 148 at age
> 18. (I'm now 63.)
>
> I thought I was "normal" weight at 160 or so. So did my friends. But I was
> on two blood pressure medications plus Lipitor and then tested my bg last
> April and discovered fbgs at around 116 and near-diabetic response to
> glucose/carbs.
>
> Having lost about 15 pounds now, my fbg is 80-86 every morning and my
> response to a moderately high-carb (35 g) breakfast is a 1-hr PP bg of about
> 100. It can still be elevated (100) at 2 hrs PP, but is back at 80-85 within
> 3 hrs..
>
> Part of the change (about 10 points) is due to dropping atenolol. But the
> bulk is due to the 15 pound drop in weight.
>
> I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low side.
> I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken.
>
> Just one data point having to do with the powerful weight effects (of those
> "last few pounds") on blood pressure, glucose, and lipids.

The key is losing all that harmful VAT, which is the source of all the
pro-inflammatory adipocytokines that were killing you.

This does happen with using the 2PD-OMER Approach.

Then the healing starts...

.... and as new beta cells form from your stem cells --> cure (if you
don't believe in cure, then call it a miracle :-).

Healthier --> hungrier :-)

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

Our armchair biologist opines:

Regarding a "cure" for diabetes:

"... and as new beta cells form from your stem cells --> cure (if you"

Complete rubbish, this does not happen in humans, in rodents yes, in
humans no.

Had he been keeping up on the research in this area, and there is a
great deal of it, he would know this.

The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., is trash science refuted in part and
in whole by the real science involved and presented to the poster many
times.

One can with complete peace of mind ignore the source.

God bless.

someone masquerading as the truth wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...68f2aba888d74?
>
> "... and as new beta cells form from your stem cells --> cure (if you"
>
> Complete rubbish, this does not happen in humans, in rodents yes, in
> humans no.

Wonder how many type-2 diabetics would choose to become a rodent in
order to be cured of their disease if they believed your lie that
rodents have more capacity for healing than humans.

Much wiser to simply choose to lose the harmful VAT by eating less,
down to the optimal amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER

In the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ, I publicly rebuke you before
a cloud of witnesses yet again.

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

Our armchair biologist opines:

> "... and as new beta cells form from your stem cells --> cure (if you"
>
> Complete rubbish, this does not happen in humans, in rodents yes, in
> humans no.

"Wonder how many type-2 diabetics would choose to become a rodent in
order to be cured of their disease if they believed your lie that
rodents have more capacity for healing than humans."

Silly dissembling and strawman. Silly, these lateral lurches in
cognition reveal much more then you really want.

In humans beta cells in adulthood do not derive from stem cells. Had
you been keeping up on the literature and not inventing completely
unsupported and completely refuted silly notions you would know this.

The poster can with complete peace of mind be ignored as a credible
source in this area. He convicts himself by his own words and silly
displays of vain ignorance.

God bless.

On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:


All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
in the UK it just pisses us off.

Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting

neighbor Erica Nurney wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...03248b09fadad?
>
> All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
> in the UK it just pisses us off.

It remains my choice to not be religious.

Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
Jesus Christ.

> Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting

It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write. At this time, HE continues to guide
me to be HIS uncovered lamp giving the light of the truth, Who is LORD
Jesus Christ, to everyone in the room.

Sorry my choice to remain openly Christian bothers you.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

"Erica Nurney" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194281414.224570.73800@z24g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
> On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
>
> All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
> in the UK it just pisses us off.
>
> Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
>
It's not acceptable in the USA either, but he doesn't listen to requests
to stop cross-posting. It looks like he's trying to embarrass any
Christians in the newsgroups he posts to. If your newsreader has
a killfile function, it's probably better to use that, but be ready to do
it again and again as he frequently changes return addresses.

neighbor Robert Miles wrote:
> neighbor "Erica Nurney" wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...03248b09fadad?
> >
> > All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
> > in the UK it just pisses us off.
> >
> > Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
> >
> It's not acceptable in the USA either

The USA remains a Christian nation...

.... one nation under GOD:

http://InGODWeTrustUSA.com

http://TruthRUS.org

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:11 -0600, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>
>"Erica Nurney" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1194281414.224570.73800@z24g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
>> On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
>> in the UK it just pisses us off.
>>
>> Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
>>
>It's not acceptable in the USA either, but he doesn't listen to requests
>to stop cross-posting. It looks like he's trying to embarrass any
>Christians in the newsgroups he posts to. If your newsreader has
>a killfile function, it's probably better to use that, but be ready to do
>it again and again as he frequently changes return addresses.
>

that's why you need only kill file by his name. his sinful vanity
won't allow him to change that.

but if you are going to reply in one of his troll threads you should
at least remove the non-diabetic groups from your reply especially sci
med cardiology pronounced kookiology.

This Doctor Chung sound rather dangerous to me,and I sure do not believe
hes a real doctor anyway.
"Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
newseIXi.52481$b9.34928@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "Erica Nurney" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1194281414.224570.73800@z24g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
> > On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
> > in the UK it just pisses us off.
> >
> > Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
> >
> It's not acceptable in the USA either, but he doesn't listen to requests
> to stop cross-posting. It looks like he's trying to embarrass any
> Christians in the newsgroups he posts to. If your newsreader has
> a killfile function, it's probably better to use that, but be ready to do
> it again and again as he frequently changes return addresses.
>
>

I am living in the USA and this pisses me off also, who the heck is this guy
anyway??
"Erica Nurney" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194281414.224570.73800@z24g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
> On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
>
> All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
> in the UK it just pisses us off.
>
> Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
>
>

Apparantly, he was for about 2 months before he got fired and moved to
another state. Now, he spends so much time on newsgroups that it's
unlikely he still takes time to see patients if he still has any.

"Patsie Hatley" <bogus.address@bogus.domain> wrote in message
news:%xOXi.18120$Pv2.12558@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
> This Doctor Chung sound rather dangerous to me,and I sure do not
> believe
> hes a real doctor anyway.
> "Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> newseIXi.52481$b9.34928@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>>
>> "Erica Nurney" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1194281414.224570.73800@z24g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
>> > On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> > <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
>> > in the UK it just pisses us off.
>> >
>> > Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
>> >
>> It's not acceptable in the USA either, but he doesn't listen to requests
>> to stop cross-posting. It looks like he's trying to embarrass any
>> Christians in the newsgroups he posts to. If your newsreader has
>> a killfile function, it's probably better to use that, but be ready to do
>> it again and again as he frequently changes return addresses.
>>
>>
>
>

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:37:27 -0600, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>Apparantly, he was for about 2 months before he got fired and moved to
>another state. Now, he spends so much time on newsgroups that it's
>unlikely he still takes time to see patients if he still has any.
>
>"Patsie Hatley" <bogus.address@bogus.domain> wrote in message
>news:%xOXi.18120$Pv2.12558@newssvr23.news.prodigy .net...
>> This Doctor Chung sound rather dangerous to me,and I sure do not
>> believe
>> hes a real doctor anyway.
>> "Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>> newseIXi.52481$b9.34928@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>>>
>>> "Erica Nurney" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1194281414.224570.73800@z24g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
>>> > On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> > <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
>>> > in the UK it just pisses us off.
>>> >
>>> > Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
>>> >
>>> It's not acceptable in the USA either, but he doesn't listen to requests
>>> to stop cross-posting. It looks like he's trying to embarrass any
>>> Christians in the newsgroups he posts to. If your newsreader has
>>> a killfile function, it's probably better to use that, but be ready to do
>>> it again and again as he frequently changes return addresses.
>>>


Dr Chung is so obvious he actually is no problem.

I hesitate to treat him any different fron othewr posters.
Mayber we need to wear his shoes.

If anyone has an excess behavior toward
any religion they need to be careful.

I havre my private prefewrences but I am not smart enough to
blast others that brelieve differently. I go bsck to saboot 70years
of awarenesws of the sorld. I ave noted so much sufferng caused
by excesses of people.

Read him once and then if you read his posts, it may be your fault.

The one thing I believe is the GOLDEN RULE.

I know of no law that says anyone as to read these groups.

The problem here in my opinion is the clowns that demand I comply
with their ideas. Weare a very diverse lot.
>

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc21@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>neighbor Robert Miles wrote:
>> neighbor "Erica Nurney" wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...03248b09fadad?
>> >
>> > All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
>> > in the UK it just pisses us off.
>> >
>> > Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting
>> >
>> It's not acceptable in the USA either
>
>The USA remains a Christian nation...
>
>... one nation under GOD:
>
>http://InGODWeTrustUSA.com
>
>http://TruthRUS.org
>
>May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
>than ever:
>
>http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
>Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
>Andrew <><

So why then do you advocate your partner-in-insanity Phred Phelps's
picketing of soldiers fighting for this One Nation Under God, stating
that the soldiers are burning in hell??

Or, better yet, why are you too cowardly to rebuke Phelps's behavior
(even if continuing to advocate some portion of his Christian faith)??

I know the answer--because you're too cowardly to admit that sometimes
your position is incorrect, and that you're not nearly as much "In The
Holy Spirit" as you love to proclaim?

On 5 Nov, 16:50, Erica Nurney <j_peasemold_gruntfutt...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On 5 Nov, 11:12, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>
> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
> All your religious crap may be acceptable in the god-soaked USA, but
> in the UK it just pisses us off.
>
> Now kindly remove alt.support.diabetes.uk from your cross-sposting

Oh, it irritates the Americans, too.

I know you guy's forgot,usenet are news groups,with freedom of
speech,and DR. Chung,is a practicing Doctor out of Georgia,USA.

friend coaster1robert wrote:
> folks offended by openly Christian behavior wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...03248b09fadad?
> >
> > <snip>
>
> I know you guy's forgot,usenet are news groups,with freedom of
> speech,and DR. Chung,is a practicing Doctor out of Georgia,USA.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:05:30 -0000 in Msg.#
<1194390330.041584.173100@k79g2000hse.googlegroups .com>, coaster1robert
<coaster1robert@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know you guy's forgot,usenet are news groups,with freedom of
> speech,and DR. Chung,is a practicing Doctor out of Georgia,USA.

Well, I didn't forget many things, including that Usenet is an international
medium & not every country has people who scream 'freedom of speech' when
there is no US 1st Amendment issue at stake!

I also didn't forget that 'guys' has no apostrophe in it unless we're
speaking of something that belongs to our guy, here in ASD.

A practicing netizen from Georgia, USA, ... DonnaB shallotpeel

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Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one." - Jane Howard

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:05:30 -0000, coaster1robert
<coaster1robert@gmail.com> wrote:

>I know you guy's forgot,usenet are news groups,with freedom of
>speech,and DR. Chung,is a practicing Scizophrenic out of Georgia,USA.
>who got fired in Florida when the clinic there found out. That's why
>he moved to Georgia.


you misspelled schizo and left out some facts. I corrected your
mistakes.

Have a nice day.