Psych Meds, Other Meds, Diabetes and Weight Gain

This all scares me...not just anti-depressants and psych meds, but all
medicine in general. With diabetes, there are so many things that can cause
weight gain and lead to more problems. I have been stressing over this for
the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am a mess,
and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist, but all
the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these drugs...I
just don't know what to do. I have been on SSRI's, Benzo's, Anti-Psychotics
and Mood Stabilizers in the past off and on for over a decade. I just get
side effects so bad that it's almost worse than trying the med to stop the
obsessive thinking...so what are you to do? I need to lose weight, and bad,
but if I don't get my anger, anxiety and obsessive mind to slow down, there
could be trouble there too. Geezeee!! Since I have the metabolic syndrome,
I have to be really careful about what my decision is. Also, my fear (and
it could be justified) about the Januvia only being out a year. I'll tell
you what...in the last month of being on the Januvia, I have put on 10
pounds once again, and it is NOT supposed to do that. I was told that
Metformin and Januvia do NOT increase weight. Am I paranoid, or is this
drug not on the market long enough for long term studies to tell us what it
can possibly do??? All I know is that when I got diagnosed in March and was
put on Metformin 500mg and Actos 30mg, I lost about 10 pounds the first
month, but by the 2nd month, I gained 12 pounds and thus this insane cycle
has begun!!! I also take Benicar for BP. I use pain meds and anti-anxiety
meds prn, but watch it because I am real careful about things that may cause
weight. I feel like the stress of the whole thing is causing me to gain. I
didn't know diabetes was so difficult at first. I thought I was doing so
good when I got my 2nd A1c and it went from 12.6 to 6.1...my problems were
only starting thought...I just don't know how you all do this and keep your
head and emotions balanced! Now...see, I probably do need a PRN to settle
down, huh??? hahaha
Kris
Kris

neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>
> This all scares me

Understandably.

> ...not just anti-depressants and psych meds, but all medicine in general.

All that we do, without GOD, sadly fall far short of perfection, which
is HIS glory.

"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

Amen.

> With diabetes, there are so many things that can cause
> weight gain and lead to more problems.

Actually it is only one thing (over-eating) that causes weight gain
for all humans.

> I have been stressing over this for
> the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am a mess,
> and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist, but all
> the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these drugs...I
> just don't know what to do. I have been on SSRI's, Benzo's, Anti-Psychotics
> and Mood Stabilizers in the past off and on for over a decade. I just get
> side effects so bad that it's almost worse than trying the med to stop the
> obsessive thinking...so what are you to do?

Humble yourself and pray to GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, asking
HIM to help you like no one else and no medicine can.

> I need to lose weight, and bad,

May GOD help you eat less, down to the right amount, and lose weight
through your reading the following:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

> but if I don't get my anger, anxiety and obsessive mind to slow down, there
> could be trouble there too.

May GOD heal your mind and your heart through your reading the
following:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

> Geezeee!! Since I have the metabolic syndrome,
> I have to be really careful about what my decision is. Also, my fear (and
> it could be justified) about the Januvia only being out a year.

Your concern is justified by the lessons learned through Vioxx,
Celebrex, and more recently Avandia.

> I'll tell
> you what...in the last month of being on the Januvia, I have put on 10
> pounds once again, and it is NOT supposed to do that. I was told that
> Metformin and Januvia do NOT increase weight. Am I paranoid, or is this
> drug not on the market long enough for long term studies to tell us what it
> can possibly do???

Each person's body is different so that individual responses can vary
tremendously.

> All I know is that when I got diagnosed in March and was
> put on Metformin 500mg and Actos 30mg, I lost about 10 pounds the first
> month, but by the 2nd month, I gained 12 pounds and thus this insane cycle
> has begun!!! I also take Benicar for BP. I use pain meds and anti-anxiety
> meds prn, but watch it because I am real careful about things that may cause
> weight. I feel like the stress of the whole thing is causing me to gain. I
> didn't know diabetes was so difficult at first. I thought I was doing so
> good when I got my 2nd A1c and it went from 12.6 to 6.1...

One of the treatment goals for your diabetes is the lowering of your
HgbA1c.

> my problems were
> only starting thought...I just don't know how you all do this and keep your
> head and emotions balanced! Now...see, I probably do need a PRN to settle
> down, huh??? hahaha
> Kris

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:44:47 -0500, "Cougar"
<cougar_rocklightening@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I thought I was doing so
>good when I got my 2nd A1c and it went from 12.6 to 6.1...my problems were
>only starting thought...I just don't know how you all do this and keep your
>head and emotions balanced! Now...see, I probably do need a PRN to settle
>down, huh??? hahaha

Kris, you ARE doing really well! Don't lose sight of that. Diabetic
control is easier at lower weights - but if there's other things in
your life making weight control difficult, don't sweat it; diabetes
control wins every time.

Sounds to me you could use a little help sorting this out, and maybe a
psychiatrist is the way to go - but you should still be proud of
yourself for doing what you've achieved with the diabetes. Just do a
google and see what the average A1c is - I think the DLife people used
to have it on their website - and KNOW you're doing well!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Metformin tends to cause weight loss; Actos tends to cause weight
gain. Looks like you had some of both.

I like metformin, but it doesn't like me. I'm less fond of Actos and
Avandia. I don't personally feel Byetta or Januvia have been on the
market long enough, or are well enough understood, that I'd feel
comfortable taking either.

On the other hand, I take Lantus and Humalog, and most people consider
insulin "worse" than some of the stuff I don't much want to take.

Choosing what you are most comfortable with is a compromise. Being
concerned about the risk:benefit ratio of any med is only prudent.
But... sometimes the benefits are really worthwhile and the risk is
acceptable.

You have to do whatever you have to do to control your bg as the
consequences of not doing so are pretty dire. If you need meds to do
so, it's always going to be somewhat of a trade-off between the side
effects and the better bg control.

It sounds like the emotional stuff is interfering with your ability to
control your diet and exercise and hence your bg, so maybe your
therapist is right about needing to be on something for that, even if
it's only for the short-term.

Do you trust your therapist's advice? If not, or if you feel therapy
isn't progressing, I'd recommend finding another therapist.

If you need meds to help, you need to choose the one that will give
you the most help for the least side effects. Since you've previously
been on some of these, you have more info than most in deciding.

About 6 or 7 years ago, I was on Celexa. My therapist and I agreed I
needed a fast-acting antidepressant. We sat down, and went through
the PDR, and figured out what my best choice was - before I ever made
an appointment with a doctor. As it happened, the psychiatrist he
worked with didn't have any appointments for a couple months, so I
just went to my family doctor and asked for a script.

I mostly disapprove of medications and think nearly everything is
massively over-prescribed... and most people take too much over-the-
counter crap too. But sometimes, it's darned appropriate to take a
medication to help you out.

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> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>>
>> This all scares me
>
> Understandably.
Please take no notice of Andrew. He is following his own demon which has
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>
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:44:47 -0500, "Cougar"
<cougar_rocklightening@yahoo.com> wrote:

>This all scares me...not just anti-depressants and psych meds, but all
>medicine in general. With diabetes, there are so many things that can cause
>weight gain and lead to more problems. I have been stressing over this for
>the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am a mess,
>and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist, but all
>the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these drugs...I
>just don't know what to do.


That does sound like a freightening place to be Kris. My daughter
Rachel has experienced just that feeling. My best suggestion would be
to try to get your doctors and psychiatrist (if you go that route) to
coordinate with each other and, hopefully, settle on a joint plan that
has a good chance of success in both controlling your diabetes/weight
gain, as well as your mental health issues. What good does it do to
over-emphasise one over the other? I should think the focus needs to
be upon your overall health, with the goal being to be the healthiest,
happiest, and most well-adjusted person you can possibly be.

Good luck!

Will, T2

Kris,

I have been thinking about your post since I read it last night. I
have a hard time remembering what your story is that got you to this
point, but IIRC you were just diagnosed 3 months ago, and your hbA1c
was very high at diagnosis. Had you been losing weight quickly before
you were diagnosed?

I think what could be happening to you is that you are getting a
problem similar to weight gain rebound after a diet that was too
strict, where that weight seems to just magically come back on.

I just had that myself. When I was in the coma in March I lost 15
pounds while in the hospital. As much as I was trying to not gain it
back, that 15 just flew back on since then, but it stopped right there
at the 15 thankfully, which is lucky as many people with rebound
weight gain seem to gain a few extra for good measure. I had lost my
other 65 pounds slow and stead over the course of a year and a half,
and that weight is still off.

So, if you keep trying to eat good, this problem may end slow, and you
can perhaps start a slow loss that will stay off.

As far as meds causing weight gain, I myself try to avoid all meds
that cause weight gain. I do take insulin which tends to cause weight
gain, so I do not want any more than that 1 med doing it. I think I
saw on the anti-depressant thread a list of which of those types of
meds were worst for weight gain. If you need that type of med, I
suggest that you try to figure out which of those types of meds tend
to cause weight gain the least and try those ones.

Good luck,

KC
On Jul 16, 11:44 am, "Cougar" <cougar_rocklighten...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This all scares me...not just anti-depressants and psych meds, but all
> medicine in general. With diabetes, there are so many things that can cause
> weight gain and lead to more problems. I have been stressing over this for
> the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am a mess,
> and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist, but all
> the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these drugs...I
> just don't know what to do. I have been on SSRI's, Benzo's, Anti-Psychotics
> and Mood Stabilizers in the past off and on for over a decade. I just get
> side effects so bad that it's almost worse than trying the med to stop the
> obsessive thinking...so what are you to do? I need to lose weight, and bad,
> but if I don't get my anger, anxiety and obsessive mind to slow down, there
> could be trouble there too. Geezeee!! Since I have the metabolic syndrome,
> I have to be really careful about what my decision is. Also, my fear (and
> it could be justified) about the Januvia only being out a year. I'll tell
> you what...in the last month of being on the Januvia, I have put on 10
> pounds once again, and it is NOT supposed to do that. I was told that
> Metformin and Januvia do NOT increase weight. Am I paranoid, or is this
> drug not on the market long enough for long term studies to tell us what it
> can possibly do??? All I know is that when I got diagnosed in March and was
> put on Metformin 500mg and Actos 30mg, I lost about 10 pounds the first
> month, but by the 2nd month, I gained 12 pounds and thus this insane cycle
> has begun!!! I also take Benicar for BP. I use pain meds and anti-anxiety
> meds prn, but watch it because I am real careful about things that may cause
> weight. I feel like the stress of the whole thing is causing me to gain. I
> didn't know diabetes was so difficult at first. I thought I was doing so
> good when I got my 2nd A1c and it went from 12.6 to 6.1...my problems were
> only starting thought...I just don't know how you all do this and keep your
> head and emotions balanced! Now...see, I probably do need a PRN to settle
> down, huh??? hahaha
> Kris
> Kris

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc14@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1184570523.046378.245220@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:

>> I have been stressing over this for
>> the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am a
>> mess,
>> and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist, but
>> all
>> the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these drugs...I
>> just don't know what to do. I have been on SSRI's, Benzo's,
>> Anti-Psychotics
>> and Mood Stabilizers in the past off and on for over a decade. I just
>> get
>> side effects so bad that it's almost worse than trying the med to stop
>> the
>> obsessive thinking...so what are you to do?
>
> Humble yourself and pray to GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, asking
> HIM to help you like no one else and no medicine can.
>

Am I to understand that you are suggesting to a mentally ill person to stop
taking their medications?

Have you any idea what happens when a mentally ill person *does* that?

Yes, I trust that GOD can and DOES, heal people - in HIS time, according to
a healing of HIS choosing; we cannot just lay claim to healing if GOD has
other plans for us, no matter WHO we are.

Remember the blind man? The people were astounded at his lifetime of
blindness, so they brought him to Jesus and asked "What did this man's
parents do that he was born blind?"

Jesus nipped that idea in the bud straight away when He said that the man
was born blind that GOD may receive glory and healed him on the spot.

So, healing and trusting God for healing is great - nothing wrong with that
at all: God also gave man a fair amount of wisdom, and certain drugs for the
mentally ill seem to work better at stemming the tide of symptoms than
others.

Take Zyprexa, for instance; that can lead to diabetes! I wouldn't recommend
it for most, but I am not a doctor! I think that some people actually have
GOOD results with it, while others do not.

My son certainly didn't.

Geodon seems to be working better for him.

In the meantime, I cannot believe a physician would tell a mentally ill
person to go off his meds.

.............................

it's irresponsible, especially in a NEWSGROUP SETTING.

Feather

Feather Forestwalker wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>
> >> I have been stressing over this for
> >> the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am a
> >> mess,
> >> and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist, but
> >> all
> >> the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these drugs...I
> >> just don't know what to do. I have been on SSRI's, Benzo's,
> >> Anti-Psychotics
> >> and Mood Stabilizers in the past off and on for over a decade. I just
> >> get
> >> side effects so bad that it's almost worse than trying the med to stop
> >> the
> >> obsessive thinking...so what are you to do?
> >
> > Humble yourself and pray to GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, asking
> > HIM to help you like no one else and no medicine can.
>
> Am I to understand that you are suggesting to a mentally ill person to stop
> taking their medications?

No.

Read what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write as many times as you
need to understand what is written.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
: Feather Forestwalker wrote:
:: ?
:
: No.
:
: Read what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write as many times as you
: need to understand what is written.
:
: Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
:
: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
:
: Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Got news for you "doctor" assuming you are really a MD. The Bible is a
wondeful fictious story or parable. It is NOTHING more than a story.
The book is real but it is contents are mere fiction. We all want it
to be real the contents are real, but they are not. Whether or not
there is an Omnipotent being(s) is another story, but the Bible is not
real. Sorry to say Andrew, you sound nothing more than a Jehova's
Witness or a David Koresh delusional individual. So please quit adding
your Jesus freak statements in your posts. You LOSE ALL credibility in
your posts by inserting it.

http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity

Thanks Nicky!
Kris

KNOW you're doing well!
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Yes, thanks guys...I've been "out there" I know. I am calmer today, but
still frustrated. I am talking with someone in a couple of days, and
getting some appointments set up to discuss all my concerns. It's nice
having a place to question, vent, laugh together when we get "nuts" (pardon
the pun)...haha
Kris

A little off the topic, but it sparked a question for me.

Has anyone heard from Colleen? It's been quite a long time since
she's posted.

Laura@notmy.com wrote in message
<3gbo931jidh98lof125krgcvfpurk4gjor@4ax.com>...
>A little off the topic, but it sparked a question for me.
>
>Has anyone heard from Colleen? It's been quite a long time since
>she's posted.

I haven't seen her for very long time, maybe a year or so ago when she
last posted links to her art, but I could be wrong about the time
frame because time flies these days. :-)

Cheri

<Laura@notmy.com> wrote in message
news:3gbo931jidh98lof125krgcvfpurk4gjor@4ax.com...
>A little off the topic, but it sparked a question for me.
>
> Has anyone heard from Colleen? It's been quite a long time since
> she's posted.
>

I haven't seen any posts, but this is her website with a link to email her:

http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/MainFrameset.htm

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc9@emorycardiology.com> dragged his
knuckles over the keyboard and grunted in
news:1184606823.412377.87470@q75g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com:

> Feather Forestwalker wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>>
>> >> I have been stressing over this for
>> >> the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am
>> >> a mess,
>> >> and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist,
>> >> but all
>> >> the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these
>> >> drugs...I just don't know what to do. I have been on SSRI's,
>> >> Benzo's, Anti-Psychotics
>> >> and Mood Stabilizers in the past off and on for over a decade. I
>> >> just get
>> >> side effects so bad that it's almost worse than trying the med to
>> >> stop the
>> >> obsessive thinking...so what are you to do?
>> >
>> > Humble yourself and pray to GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, asking
>> > HIM to help you like no one else and no medicine can.
>>
>> Am I to understand that you are suggesting to a mentally ill person to
>> stop taking their medications?
>
> No.
>
> Read what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write as many times as you
> need to understand what is written.
Over the _many_ years that Andrew has been expounding his poor medical
notions and even poorer theology (or is that the other way around ?), he
has developed a certain legalistic cunning in the construction of his
posts.

Had he been posting good information in a truthful manner this would not
have happened. He might also have been courteous enough to attempt to
ammend or add to his reply to FF to present a better opportunity for her
(and others) to understand what he meant.

The biggest error that Andrew is likely to admit to is one of typography
such as a spelling mistake. If Andrew were to acknowledge the enormity of
his bigger mistakes he would have to carry out major reconstruction of his
personhood, which if his postings on Usenet are anything to go by would
likely be an improvement.
>
> Be hungwy... be heawthy... be bwessed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
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details of how to complain recently posted in other threads.

>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
There is little or no indication from Andrew's Usenet posts that he
maintains a good relationship with God or Jesus. He writes the words in
his posts, but often feature in lying and prideful contexts. It is
because of this that this post is signed:

Andy is Evil

Feather Forestwalker wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc14@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
> news:1184570523.046378.245220@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>
>>> I have been stressing over this for
>>> the last couple of weeks since I have been in therapy. I know I am a
>>> mess,
>>> and my therapist definitely wants me to consult with a psychiatrist, but
>>> all
>>> the side effects and possible problems that can stem from these drugs...I
>>> just don't know what to do. I have been on SSRI's, Benzo's,
>>> Anti-Psychotics
>>> and Mood Stabilizers in the past off and on for over a decade. I just
>>> get
>>> side effects so bad that it's almost worse than trying the med to stop
>>> the
>>> obsessive thinking...so what are you to do?
>> Humble yourself and pray to GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, asking
>> HIM to help you like no one else and no medicine can.
>>
>
> Am I to understand that you are suggesting to a mentally ill person to stop
> taking their medications?
>
> Have you any idea what happens when a mentally ill person *does* that?
>

They get closer to "God", they start to hear Him speak, and, as often as
not, they go and batter somebody to death.

--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208

"If you are informed by God, you can be misinformed by nobody" - Osama
Bin Laden