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Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??

Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@ wrote:
> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??

A teaspoon of honey is a great hypo remedy because it hits
the blood fast. It's like any other "fast" carb - sugar,
glucose etc. It may or may not fit into your diabetic diet.
Once again its a YMMV thing. Try it and see what happens but
test 10-15 minutes after eating it for your first test.

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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> A teaspoon of honey is a great hypo remedy because it hits
> the blood fast. It's like any other "fast" carb - sugar,
> glucose etc. It may or may not fit into your diabetic diet.
> Once again its a YMMV thing. Try it and see what happens but
> test 10-15 minutes after eating it for your first test.


Thanks Ozgirl
I was wondering about it as I used to use it in tea instead of
sugar/sweetner before diagnosis and dont like the taste of sweetners much!

Thankyou for answering Ozgirl and I will test after I try it thanks again.

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Cloudedbrains wrote:
> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
>

Odd question to ask when your bg has been running in the mid 300s for
weeks, isn't it?

Susan

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Cloudedbrains wrote:
>> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
> Odd question to ask when your bg has been running in the mid 300s for
> weeks, isn't it?
>
> Susan

Why strange ??
I am NOT using it now but want to know if I can use it !!
(I received a free bottle for spotting it being used on the TV so want
to know if its ok to use)!
I havent used honey since 2 to 4 weeks before diagnosis!

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:14 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>

You're allowed to use whatever you like - but when I use
honey I have major post-prandial BG spikes. Ohter have
reported better results.

In a normal situation I'd say try it and test. But in your
situation I'd put it differently.

Try it (a little on a half-slice of multigrain) and test the
first time you have a post-prandial BG reading under 10.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:21:15 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:

>
>"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>news:qTpZg.49332$rP1.4244@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> A teaspoon of honey is a great hypo remedy because it hits
>> the blood fast. It's like any other "fast" carb - sugar,
>> glucose etc. It may or may not fit into your diabetic diet.
>> Once again its a YMMV thing. Try it and see what happens but
>> test 10-15 minutes after eating it for your first test.
>
>
>Thanks Ozgirl
>I was wondering about it as I used to use it in tea instead of
>sugar/sweetner before diagnosis and dont like the taste of sweetners much!
>
>Thankyou for answering Ozgirl and I will test after I try it thanks again.
>
Amend my mention of bread. Tea is a much better idea - but
note that the effect in your blood will probably be swifter.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Alhambra
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:14 +0100, Cloudedbrains wrote:

> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??

You're 'allowed' to do what you want. But it's nearly pure sugar - what do
you think it might do for your blood glucose level?

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Cloudedbrains wrote:

> Why strange ??
> I am NOT using it now but want to know if I can use it !!
> (I received a free bottle for spotting it being used on the TV so want
> to know if its ok to use)!
> I havent used honey since 2 to 4 weeks before diagnosis!

Donna, I guess I'm just wondering why adding sugar in any form to your
diet is on your mind at a time when your blood glucose levels are so
dangerously high. You say you must continue taking the drugs that keep
your bg so high, so adding sugar seems very far off, if ever, as an option.

Susan

Cloudedbrains > wrote in message ...
>Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
>

When table sugar hits your stomach, it is converted into 50% glucose
and 50% fructose.

Honey is actually a solution of glucose, fructose, maltose, table sugar
and flavoring in water. After it hits your stomach, the fructose and
glucose end up about 50/50. IOW, the net effect on a diabetic is the
same as a mixture of table sugar and water.

Can you use it? Sure, if you shoot enough fast insulin.

I like it on my pancakes. Shoot fast insulin. . .wait till it kicks in.
.. .enjoy. Very tricky and not recommended for everyday but it works fine
every few months when my grandson stays overnight and we eat breakfast
together.

Regards
Old Al

"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??

Huh? Diabetics can use or eat anything they want. Honey will raise your BG
though so you'd be wise not to use it.

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Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Cloudedbrains wrote:
>
> > Why strange ??
> > I am NOT using it now but want to know if I can use it !!
> > (I received a free bottle for spotting it being used on the TV so want
> > to know if its ok to use)!
> > I havent used honey since 2 to 4 weeks before diagnosis!
>
> Donna, I guess I'm just wondering why adding sugar in any form to your
> diet is on your mind at a time when your blood glucose levels are so
> dangerously high. You say you must continue taking the drugs that keep
> your bg so high, so adding sugar seems very far off, if ever, as an option.
>
> Susan

Oh man, this is kinda painful....

"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??

i do. for me its not a matter of what but how much.
of course honey is not what is called a healthy food no matter what kind
of diet you are on. but sometimes in order to be my healthiest i must allow
myself
treats.

my skin is very thick after 4 years of this.
but at times i found this group can be better if i kill file those
that make me feel a little sick.
if i was you i would look for a local support group or save these questions
for my doctor.
most in here are very anti low fat and wont like you eating most carby
foods.

Tom


"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:4pmoqtFjbel8U1@individual.net...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Cloudedbrains wrote:
>>> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>>
>> Odd question to ask when your bg has been running in the mid 300s for
>> weeks, isn't it?
>>
>> Susan
>
> Why strange ??
> I am NOT using it now but want to know if I can use it !!
> (I received a free bottle for spotting it being used on the TV so want
> to know if its ok to use)!
> I havent used honey since 2 to 4 weeks before diagnosis!
>

Gantlet wrote:
> my skin is very thick after 4 years of this.
> but at times i found this group can be better if i kill file those
> that make me feel a little sick.
> if i was you i would look for a local support group or save these questions
> for my doctor.
> most in here are very anti low fat and wont like you eating most carby
> foods.
>
> Tom


Well, I think there's a good reason most are simply advising
her to use her meter after she has the honey. That should
tell her quite well enough, although I wonder how it works
when the bg's are already over 300 mg/dL.

But you are against people using their meters as their guide.
Donna should be aware of that.

How about a small glass of orange juice occasionally. I know it is
used when you go hypo so that is why I am questioning its use.

Michele

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:14 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Cloudedbrains wrote:
> > Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
> >
> >
>
> Odd question to ask when your bg has been running in the mid 300s for
> weeks, isn't it?
>
> Susan

Her question is fine, yours is the one that's odd.

Kurt

In article <2gocj251823r4sg192aundjb3m0be4oec4@4ax.com>,
Michele <wpondyu@charter.net> wrote:

> How about a small glass of orange juice occasionally. I know it is
> used when you go hypo so that is why I am questioning its use.

I think the last thing this poster needs is more glucose in her blood.
She's living in the stratosphere, due to her clinicians unwillingness to
put her on an effective insulin regimen.

Priscilla

Michele wrote:
> How about a small glass of orange juice occasionally. I know it is
> used when you go hypo so that is why I am questioning its use.
>
> Michele
>
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:14 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
> <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>>
>>
I have found that any OJ in the morning shoots my BG levels beyond what
I find acceptable.

For juice, I now find "diet" juices -- a mixture of cranberry juice,
some other juice (grape is my favorite), and splenda.
Cranberries are VERY sour, so most uses of Cranberries require some
sweetening. By sweetening with Splenda instead of sugar, the carb
impact is lowered.

mt

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1000 mg Metformin 2x day
1000 mg Fish Oil (Omega 3) 2x day
500 mg Niacin 1x day
last A1c: 5.0 (Oct 2006)

dumb_fishie99@yahoo.com wrote:
> Gantlet wrote:
>> my skin is very thick after 4 years of this.
>> but at times i found this group can be better if i kill
file those
>> that make me feel a little sick.
>> if i was you i would look for a local support group or
save these
>> questions for my doctor.
>> most in here are very anti low fat and wont like you
eating most
>> carby foods.
>>
>> Tom
>
>
> Well, I think there's a good reason most are simply
advising
> her to use her meter after she has the honey. That should
> tell her quite well enough, although I wonder how it works
> when the bg's are already over 300 mg/dL.
>
> But you are against people using their meters as their
guide.
> Donna should be aware of that.

Not necessarily, she's been plonked head first into a
diagnosis. No question is a dumb question. I know plenty of
people who know sugar is a thing to cut down on but don't
know the same about honey. I have a diabetes cook book
floating around here somewhere. Sugar free recipes for
diabetics - every recipe had honey. The only dumb questions
are the ones not asked.

Alan S wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:21:15 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
> <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>>news:qTpZg.49332$rP1.4244@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>> A teaspoon of honey is a great hypo remedy because it
hits
>>> the blood fast. It's like any other "fast" carb - sugar,
>>> glucose etc. It may or may not fit into your diabetic
diet.
>>> Once again its a YMMV thing. Try it and see what happens
but
>>> test 10-15 minutes after eating it for your first test.
>>
>>
>>Thanks Ozgirl
>>I was wondering about it as I used to use it in tea
instead of
>>sugar/sweetner before diagnosis and dont like the taste of
sweetners
>>much!
>>
>>Thankyou for answering Ozgirl and I will test after I try
it thanks
>>again.
>>
> Amend my mention of bread. Tea is a much better idea - but
> note that the effect in your blood will probably be
swifter.

I just had brekky 1 slice of toasted Burgen's pumpkin
bread with Proactiv margarine and a small teaspoon of jam,
real jam. When I am not having eggs, a small amount of jam,
no added sugar marmalade or jam or honey/golden syrup is
what I have. For me it's the amount, just enough to taste
pleasant. I haven't at this point noted any spikes, possibly
because of the combination of foods I have it with. But I
certainly haven't foregone all my little sweet treats, just
have them in much smaller amounts

Donna: I used to have 3 teaspoons of sugar in my tea, I
gradually cut it down to almost nil. One day I forgot to put
any in at all and found almost nil and nil were much the
same. Perhaps you can try that.

Michele wrote:
> How about a small glass of orange juice occasionally. I
know it is
> used when you go hypo so that is why I am questioning its
use.

Once again, a YMMV thing. I use very chilled tomato juice,
even in the a.m. it doesn't spike me at all and I love it.

Ozgirl wrote:

> Not necessarily, she's been plonked head first into a
> diagnosis. No question is a dumb question. I know plenty of
> people who know sugar is a thing to cut down on but don't
> know the same about honey. I have a diabetes cook book
> floating around here somewhere. Sugar free recipes for
> diabetics - every recipe had honey. The only dumb questions
> are the ones not asked.

No, it's good she's asking. My warning was about Tom, not about
asking supposedly dumb questions. The reason I said it was kind of
paiunful, was not because I thought it was a dumb question. I was
referring to my own attachment.

Ozgirl <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
: Michele wrote:
: > How about a small glass of orange juice occasionally. I
: know it is
: > used when you go hypo so that is why I am questioning its
: use.

: Once again, a YMMV thing. I use very chilled tomato juice,
: even in the a.m. it doesn't spike me at all and I love it.

I also use tomato juice as an occasional treat, like when I have breakfast
out after I visit my endo an have all the fastign blood tests. I get one
fo those set breakfasts that come with juice, eggs, toast potatos (I get
lettuc and tomato instead) and coffee. I get the tomato juice and simply
savor it as I sip it slowly after squeezing a little lemon inot it.

OJ , a half a juice glass, is strictly for the very occasional hypo(60's
not type 1 territory)

I better stop as I am getting hungry:-)

Wendy

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:14 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
Donna, your question leads me to believe that your understanding of
how various foods can effect BG may need study. I have read all of
your posts and hope things improve for you as quickly as possible.
Hang in there and I am confident you will get a handle on things.

I suggest that you read about the Glycemic Index at
http://www.mendosa.com/ This site is respected by many who post
here. Look under the Food tab. There is lots of other good info
also.

Basically the Glycemic Index will indicate how a food item will be
treated in the body as compared to a high carbohydrate standard.

In simple terms a high GI item can be expected to increase BG whereas
a low GI item would be expected to have less of an impact on BG.

Back to your question; you asked about honey. If you look in the
Glycemic table at Mendosa's site you can see the GI of various types
of honeys. Most are fairly high. So based on that information you
could expect a fairly rapid increase in BG. A person using fast
insulin could compensate. A non-insulin user would likely avoid or
consume very little of that food in most situations. Now here is the
fun part. Each of us will process honey ( and every other food) in a
way unique to our own body. That's were the YMMV comment comes in.

The Glycemic Index can be helpful for meal planning but remember it is
not cast in stone and you have to learn your response to each food.
It is a handy reference to anticipate how a food will impact BG.

Your on the first steps along a very long path, lots of information
and other stressors to deal with. I hope your health care team will
include a nutritionist in the very near future.

I hope this helps a little.

RB

I do know honey sends my blood sugar straight up. About
like orange juice.
Guy

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:52:59 -0500, RB <RB@home.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:14 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
><donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>>
>Donna, your question leads me to believe that your understanding of
>how various foods can effect BG may need study. I have read all of
>your posts and hope things improve for you as quickly as possible.
>Hang in there and I am confident you will get a handle on things.
>
>I suggest that you read about the Glycemic Index at
>http://www.mendosa.com/ This site is respected by many who post
>here. Look under the Food tab. There is lots of other good info
>also.
>
>Basically the Glycemic Index will indicate how a food item will be
>treated in the body as compared to a high carbohydrate standard.
>
>In simple terms a high GI item can be expected to increase BG whereas
>a low GI item would be expected to have less of an impact on BG.
>
>Back to your question; you asked about honey. If you look in the
>Glycemic table at Mendosa's site you can see the GI of various types
>of honeys. Most are fairly high. So based on that information you
>could expect a fairly rapid increase in BG. A person using fast
>insulin could compensate. A non-insulin user would likely avoid or
>consume very little of that food in most situations. Now here is the
>fun part. Each of us will process honey ( and every other food) in a
>way unique to our own body. That's were the YMMV comment comes in.
>
>The Glycemic Index can be helpful for meal planning but remember it is
>not cast in stone and you have to learn your response to each food.
>It is a handy reference to anticipate how a food will impact BG.
>
>Your on the first steps along a very long path, lots of information
>and other stressors to deal with. I hope your health care team will
>include a nutritionist in the very near future.
>
>I hope this helps a little.
>
>RB
>
>
>
>
>


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"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??


I asked because I wasn't sure about it!
Pure honey is Fructose the same sugar found in most fruit!
SO how come one is allowed and the other isn't?

I am counting my carbs to start with - I only have 80 - 100g crabs a day
split between my TWO meals and very few carby snacks!

Couldn't it be worked into my carb count?

"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:n7qdnbxY_Y-RnavYRVnyjA@bt.com...
>> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
>
> I asked because I wasn't sure about it!
> Pure honey is Fructose the same sugar found in most fruit!
> SO how come one is allowed and the other isn't?

What's this "allowed" stuff?! Fructose is a sugar, your bg will go up if you
eat the wrong amount for you. You have to test to find out what that amount
is - but I agree with Alan, you shouldn't be playing with fire this way
until your bgs are closer to normal. A 10 or 11 reading is (just) lower than
the level at which you're damaging your kidneys...

>
> I am counting my carbs to start with - I only have 80 - 100g crabs a day
> split between my TWO meals and very few carby snacks!
>
> Couldn't it be worked into my carb count?

Sure - once you can experiment more safely. Is there a reason why you're
only eating 2 meals, btw? You might have more leeway with 6...

Nicky.

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Hi CB,
I seem to remember a Professor suggesting that honey was a better sweetener
than sugar for diabetics because of the way it is utilised by the body.
Sugars are assimilated by osmosis ( they pass straight though into the
bloodstream ) while Honey, because of its complex constituents, is taken up
by "active transport" ( allegedly a slower process ).
I searched google and found the thread on asduk in 2004 . here it is ..
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...b7b6fd18b923e9

Cloudedbrains <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:

> "Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:n7qdnbxY_Y-RnavYRVnyjA@bt.com...
>> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??

> I asked because I wasn't sure about it!
> Pure honey is Fructose the same sugar found in most fruit!

Honey contains roughly equal amounts of fructose and glucose, and a
number of other sugars in smaller proportions.

> SO how come one is allowed and the other isn't?

Where are you getting this "allowed" from? What is ok for you depends
on your own personal BG control goals. Your BG meter will tell you
fruits you can eat and how much without pushing your BG too
high. Diabetics vary a lot in what they can tolerate. What's fine for
one may be bad for you and vice versa.

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Peter C <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi CB,
> I seem to remember a Professor suggesting that honey was a better sweetener
> than sugar for diabetics because of the way it is utilised by the body.
> Sugars are assimilated by osmosis ( they pass straight though into the
> bloodstream ) while Honey, because of its complex constituents, is taken up
> by "active transport" ( allegedly a slower process ).
> I searched google and found the thread on asduk in 2004 . here it is ..
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...b7b6fd18b923e9

In which thread oldal points out that this "complex consituents" in
honey is bollocks: honey consists largely of the simple sugars
fructose and glucose; the complex sugars are in much lower
proportions.

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On 19 Oct 2006 10:11:53 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>Peter C <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi CB,
>> I seem to remember a Professor suggesting that honey was a better sweetener
>> than sugar for diabetics because of the way it is utilised by the body.
>> Sugars are assimilated by osmosis ( they pass straight though into the
>> bloodstream ) while Honey, because of its complex constituents, is taken up
>> by "active transport" ( allegedly a slower process ).
>> I searched google and found the thread on asduk in 2004 . here it is ..
>> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...b7b6fd18b923e9
>
>In which thread oldal points out that this "complex consituents" in
>honey is bollocks: honey consists largely of the simple sugars
>fructose and glucose; the complex sugars are in much lower
>proportions.

I have learned there is a lot of false info
out there. A natural food advocate stills won't talk to me after
years because I challenged her honey claims. I do
not trust much and do tests. The honey I tried is
about the same as pure glucose.

BUT it sure tastes good.

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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:11:05 +0100, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote:

>
>"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:n7qdnbxY_Y-RnavYRVnyjA@bt.com...
>> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
>
>I asked because I wasn't sure about it!
>Pure honey is Fructose the same sugar found in most fruit!
>SO how come one is allowed and the other isn't?
>
>I am counting my carbs to start with - I only have 80 - 100g crabs a day
>split between my TWO meals and very few carby snacks!
>
>Couldn't it be worked into my carb count?
>

Hi Donna,

Here is something I posted on July 29, 2006, about fructose, in a
thread called "Hard Candy for Hypos"...

Fructose is just not a good bet for diabetics, as a general rule.

"It might be because there is some thought that fructose may have an
adverse effect on plasma lipid and uric acid levels.

In addition, there are other contra-indications for use of fructose,
when glucose levels are low. Here is an excerpt from the Wikepedia
article that appears at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose :


"Fructose depends on glucose to carry it into the blood stream via
GLUT-5 and then GLUT-2 [1]. Absorption of fructose without glucose
present is very poor, and excess fructose is carried into the lower
intestine where it provides nutrients for the existing flora, which
produce gas. It may also cause water retention in the intestine. These
effects may lead to bloating, excessive flatulence, loose stools, and
even diarrhea depending on the amounts eaten and other factors.


Fructose has been hypothesized to cause obesity [2], elevated LDL
cholesterol and triglycerides, leading to metabolic syndrome. Unlike
animal experiments, some human experiments have failed to show a
correlation between fructose consumption and obesity. Short term
tests, lack of dietary control, and lack of a non-fructose consuming
control group are all confounding factors in human experiments.
However, there are now a number of reports showing correlation of
fructose consumption to obesity, especially central obesity which is
generally regarded as the most dangerous type. (Wylie-Rosett,
2004)(Havel, 2005)(Bray, 2004) (Dennison, 1997)


Fructose also chelates minerals in the blood. This effect is
especially important with micronutrients such as copper, chromium and
zinc. Since these solutes are normally present in small quantities,
chelation of small numbers of ions may lead to deficiency diseases,
immune system impairment and even insulin resistance, a component of
type II diabetes (Higdon).


Fructose is a reducing sugar, as are all monosaccharides. The
spontaneous addition of single sugar molecules to proteins, known as
glycation, is a significant cause of damage in diabetics. Fructose
appears to be as dangerous as glucose in this regard and so does not
seem to be the answer for diabetes (McPherson et al, 1988) This may be
an important contribution to senescence and many age-related chronic
diseases (Levi & Werman 1998).


Fructose is used as a substitute for sucrose (common sugar) because it
is less expensive and has little effect on measured blood glucose
levels. While most carbohydrates have around the same amount of
calories, fructose is sweeter, so manufacturers may use less fructose
to get the same sweetness. It is lower cost and may have lower added
calories, so it is being seen as a profitable sweetener. The free
fructose present in fruits, their juice, and honey is responsible for
the greater sweetness per amount of these natural sugar sources."


In sum, while fructose is sweeter and commonly thought of as a good
sugar substitute, because it seems not to elevate blood glucose levels
as much as, say sucrose, it does have a significant down side.
Fructose has a GI of only 23.... Like so many things, it seems like a
mixed bag. "

Will, T2

Peter C wrote:
> Hi CB,
> I seem to remember a Professor suggesting that honey was a better sweetener
> than sugar for diabetics because of the way it is utilised by the body.
> Sugars are assimilated by osmosis ( they pass straight though into the
> bloodstream ) while Honey, because of its complex constituents, is taken up
> by "active transport" ( allegedly a slower process ).
> I searched google and found the thread on asduk in 2004 . here it is ..
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...b7b6fd18b923e9

Peter, Donna's bg's are already in the 340 to 360 mg/dL range,
even without honey.

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:4pp1b9FjljruU2@individual.net...
>> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...b7b6fd18b923e9
>
> In which thread oldal points out that this "complex consituents" in
> honey is bollocks: honey consists largely of the simple sugars
> fructose and glucose; the complex sugars are in much lower
> proportions.
>
It can't be bollocks entirely since the GI of Honey is 45 compared to 58 of
sugar i.e. Honey delivers the same amount of glucose to the bloodstream as
sugar but takes 22% longer time to do it. The Glycemic Load of Honey is also
classified as low at 9.2.
I'm not recommemding anyone to take honey - just pointing out that it has
been discussed before.

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Peter C wrote:

> It can't be bollocks entirely since the GI of Honey is 45 compared to 58 of
> sugar i.e.

But GI has been discarded as any kind of useful predictor of how an
individual will react to particular foods.

Susan

Cloudedbrains > wrote in message <-ZadnQXya85duarYRVnysg@bt.com>...
>
>"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:n7qdnbxY_Y-RnavYRVnyjA@bt.com...
>> Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
>
>I asked because I wasn't sure about it!
>Pure honey is Fructose the same sugar found in most fruit!
>SO how come one is allowed and the other isn't?
>
>I am counting my carbs to start with - I only have 80 - 100g crabs a day
>split between my TWO meals and very few carby snacks!
>
>Couldn't it be worked into my carb count?
>
>

Pure honey is not pure fructose; it's about 31/38 as received but ends
up as a 38/38 mix of glucose and fructose in the stomach, i.e. about the
same as a solution of table sugar in water.

"found in fruit". . .many if not most fruits are very high in glucose.
Some have more glucose than fructose

(BTW, this was a big surprise to me. ):

http://food.oregonstate.edu/sugar/com2.html

Regards
Old Al

Cloudedbrains wrote:

> "Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson"@" btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:n7qdnbxY_Y-RnavYRVnyjA@bt.com...
>
>>Are diabetics allowed to use honey at all ??
>
>
>
> I asked because I wasn't sure about it!
> Pure honey is Fructose the same sugar found in most fruit!
> SO how come one is allowed and the other isn't?
>
> I am counting my carbs to start with - I only have 80 - 100g crabs a day
> split between my TWO meals and very few carby snacks!
>
> Couldn't it be worked into my carb count?


Donna...

When you ask if something is "allowed", that supposes that there is only
one way for a diabetic to eat. Happily, there are many. And the people
on this board, and in the real world use many different plans to control
their blood glucose.

So whether or not you choose to eat a particular something is very much
up to you, your current blood glucose numbers, the food/exercise/med
plan you're following, and the goals you've set.

I see an inherent problem with your two meals a day. For carbohydrates,
it's not the total at the end of the day that will most impact your
glucose levels, but rather how many you eat at any given "meal" or "snack".

If you split 100g into two meals, with 50g per meal, that may be too
much, and your meter might show a rise.

If you split that 100g into four meals/snacks with 25g per, you may find
better results.

You may also find that you can eat more carbs in a day if you split them
and spread them out into four to six mini-meals/snacks.

So whether or not YOU allow honey into your food plan is something that
will take a little experimentation.

Jennifer