Question?

Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?

Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?


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"Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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>
> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>
> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>
Glucose is only one of the types of calories that can be
burned. So there is no formula - only a tendency for both
to happen at the same time.

"Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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>
> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>
> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?

I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal experience,
whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers bg's for me. I can burn
off a lunch time indiscretion for example by doing some housework for about
half an hour. If I sat down and watched TV after that indiscretion the
likelihood of lowering it in a hurry would be pretty unlikely for me.

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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>
> "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>>
>> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>>
>> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>
> I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal experience,
> whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers bg's for me. I can
> burn off a lunch time indiscretion for example by doing some housework
> for about half an hour. If I sat down and watched TV after that
> indiscretion the likelihood of lowering it in a hurry would be pretty
> unlikely for me.
>
>

What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise equipment
not only told you how many calories you were working off but also a ball
park figure for Bg?

You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed, pulled,
ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.





--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

In alt.support.diabetes on 04 May 2007 01:53:12 GMT in Msg.#
<Xns9925ED28E10CEFreelance@66.150.105.231>, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:

> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise equipment
> not only told you how many calories you were working off but also a ball
> park figure for Bg?
>
> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed, pulled,
> ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.

If exercise equipment began talking to me, I'd want it to have an
interesting conversation with me!!

--
DonnaB
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
...................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
...................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2

"Women devote more brain cells to talking than men. ... the simple act of
talking triggers a flood of brain chemicals which give women a rush similar
to that felt by heroin addicts when they get a high." - Dr Luan Brizendine,
THE FEMALE MIND, 2006

"Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
> news:133kvm7nqj20cc5@news.supernews.com:
>
> >
> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
> >>
> >> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
> >>
> >> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
> >
> > I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal experience,
> > whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers bg's for me. I can
> > burn off a lunch time indiscretion for example by doing some housework
> > for about half an hour. If I sat down and watched TV after that
> > indiscretion the likelihood of lowering it in a hurry would be pretty
> > unlikely for me.
> >
> >
>
> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
equipment
> not only told you how many calories you were working off but also a ball
> park figure for Bg?
>
> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed, pulled,
> ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.


Lovely thought But I don't use equipment.
I think it's safe to say that anything other than lying on the sofa is
better than none when it comes to exercise. Having said that, I am not about
to do 1/2 an hour of frenetic exercise to burn off the extra slice of bread
I had at lunch. That is so not normal in my eyes. I'd rather live my life as
it is, with exercise playing some part in my day, not being the most
important part of my day. I am happy enough to consume 1 slice of bread with
my salad and lunch. I feel full on more anyway.

"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> In alt.support.diabetes on 04 May 2007 01:53:12 GMT in Msg.#
> <Xns9925ED28E10CEFreelance@66.150.105.231>, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:
>
> > What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
equipment
> > not only told you how many calories you were working off but also a ball
> > park figure for Bg?
> >
> > You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed,
pulled,
> > ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
>
> If exercise equipment began talking to me, I'd want it to have an
> interesting conversation with me!!

Blow that, if it talked to me I'd be ringing a shrink.

Gene <What@me.com> wrote:
> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
> news:133kvm7nqj20cc5@news.supernews.com:

>> "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>>>
>>> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>>>
>>> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>>
>> I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal experience,
>> whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers bg's for me. I can
>> burn off a lunch time indiscretion for example by doing some housework
>> for about half an hour. If I sat down and watched TV after that
>> indiscretion the likelihood of lowering it in a hurry would be pretty
>> unlikely for me.

> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise equipment
> not only told you how many calories you were working off but also a ball
> park figure for Bg?

> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed, pulled,
> ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.

Unfortunately there are too many personal and variable things the
exercise equipment needs to know in advance in order to be able to do
that, such as what drugs you take, when and how much you last took,
when you last ate, how much fat, how much carbs & their GI, how much
protein, and if you're a T2 how much insulin production capacity you
have, etc..

Fortunately you can avoid the need to know all of these things with
which to *predict* what your BG might be by the very simple expedient
of *measuring* your BG directly, and as it happens, you have a BG
meter!

So you can find out what standard conditions of food, meds, and
exercise, produce what kinds of BG drops in you, and you could then
give your brain some healthy exercise while on the treadmill by
glancing at the clock and doing the mental arithmetic :-)

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in
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> Gene <What@me.com> wrote:
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
>> news:133kvm7nqj20cc5@news.supernews.com:
>
>>> "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>>>>
>>>> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>>>
>>> I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal
>>> experience, whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers bg's
>>> for me. I can burn off a lunch time indiscretion for example by
>>> doing some housework for about half an hour. If I sat down and
>>> watched TV after that indiscretion the likelihood of lowering it in
>>> a hurry would be pretty unlikely for me.
>
>> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
>> equipment not only told you how many calories you were working off
>> but also a ball park figure for Bg?
>
>> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed,
>> pulled, ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
>
> Unfortunately there are too many personal and variable things the
> exercise equipment needs to know in advance in order to be able to do
> that, such as what drugs you take, when and how much you last took,
> when you last ate, how much fat, how much carbs & their GI, how much
> protein, and if you're a T2 how much insulin production capacity you
> have, etc..
>
> Fortunately you can avoid the need to know all of these things with
> which to *predict* what your BG might be by the very simple expedient
> of *measuring* your BG directly, and as it happens, you have a BG
> meter!
>
> So you can find out what standard conditions of food, meds, and
> exercise, produce what kinds of BG drops in you, and you could then
> give your brain some healthy exercise while on the treadmill by
> glancing at the clock and doing the mental arithmetic :-)
>

Egads!!!! - mental exercise


--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas
Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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> "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9925ED28E10CEFreelance@66.150.105.231...
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
>> news:133kvm7nqj20cc5@news.supernews.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>> >>
>> >> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>> >>
>> >> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>> >
>> > I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal
>> > experience, whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers bg's
>> > for me. I can burn off a lunch time indiscretion for example by
>> > doing some housework for about half an hour. If I sat down and
>> > watched TV after that indiscretion the likelihood of lowering it in
>> > a hurry would be pretty unlikely for me.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
> equipment
>> not only told you how many calories you were working off but also a
>> ball park figure for Bg?
>>
>> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed,
>> pulled, ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
>
>
> Lovely thought But I don't use equipment.
> I think it's safe to say that anything other than lying on the sofa is
> better than none when it comes to exercise. Having said that, I am not
> about to do 1/2 an hour of frenetic exercise to burn off the extra
> slice of bread I had at lunch. That is so not normal in my eyes. I'd
> rather live my life as it is, with exercise playing some part in my
> day, not being the most important part of my day. I am happy enough to
> consume 1 slice of bread with my salad and lunch. I feel full on more
> anyway.
>

I haven't heard anyone use that word in a long while (Frenetic). That is
a great benefit of Usenet.

I agree and especially after getting diabeties inspite of exercising for
years and years. I hate it like I hate taking vitamins, but personally
speaking, I do feel better the whole day after screwing up 20 minutes of
it with exercise and I'm a terrible fiddler who has to constantly remind
myself to stop fixing what 'ain't' broke.

--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas
Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in
news:tm9l33h18pba7bab6l4rnqa21lse5sf63d@4ax.com:

> In alt.support.diabetes on 04 May 2007 01:53:12 GMT in Msg.#
> <Xns9925ED28E10CEFreelance@66.150.105.231>, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:
>
>> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
>> equipment not only told you how many calories you were working off
>> but also a ball park figure for Bg?
>>
>> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed,
>> pulled, ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
>
> If exercise equipment began talking to me, I'd want it to have an
> interesting conversation with me!!
>

Put it in perspective very quickly Donna.

That's probably why Edison never had a female in his lab


--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

Gene, I have no idea, but hope to learn from other posters.

Loretta

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> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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> >
> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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> >>
> >> >
> >> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
> >> >
> >> > I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal
> >> > experience, whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers bg's
> >> > for me. I can burn off a lunch time indiscretion for example by
> >> > doing some housework for about half an hour. If I sat down and
> >> > watched TV after that indiscretion the likelihood of lowering it in
> >> > a hurry would be pretty unlikely for me.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
> > equipment
> >> not only told you how many calories you were working off but also a
> >> ball park figure for Bg?
> >>
> >> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed,
> >> pulled, ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
> >
> >
> > Lovely thought But I don't use equipment.
> > I think it's safe to say that anything other than lying on the sofa is
> > better than none when it comes to exercise. Having said that, I am not
> > about to do 1/2 an hour of frenetic exercise to burn off the extra
> > slice of bread I had at lunch. That is so not normal in my eyes. I'd
> > rather live my life as it is, with exercise playing some part in my
> > day, not being the most important part of my day. I am happy enough to
> > consume 1 slice of bread with my salad and lunch. I feel full on more
> > anyway.
> >
>
> I haven't heard anyone use that word in a long while (Frenetic). That is
> a great benefit of Usenet.

Lol, used commonly in my house My step-daughter's name is Fran, we always
called her Frenetic Fran, now it's just Frenetic. She is not frenetic BTW.

> I agree and especially after getting diabeties inspite of exercising for
> years and years.

Hey, I got diabetes after eating a high fibre, low fat diet. Nothing "white"
passed my lips for years. I could be the poster girl for diabetic
associations around the world for having eaten like all the recommendations
for diabetics.

I hate it like I hate taking vitamins, but personally
> speaking, I do feel better the whole day after screwing up 20 minutes of
> it with exercise and I'm a terrible fiddler who has to constantly remind
> myself to stop fixing what 'ain't' broke.

I love exercise, but the kind I do. That's why I do what I do My eldest
daughter has a gym in her security apartment block and works out morning and
evening. I didn't find it interesting at all the night I stayed with her. I
no longer enjoy team sports either. But it doesn't matter what the exercise
is as long as it is sustainable and it works.

"Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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>
> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>
> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?

Hi Gene,
now this is not completely theoretical.I tried it on myself.For me this is
about right 10 - 20 min on my cross trainer will do that.Here are the
(rounded) figures from a healthy meal I got from my dietician ( Rice ,
Turkey , Salad , Yogurt and a banana ) :

Before the first bite : 4.0 mmol/l
1h after the first bite 12.0 mmol/l

Difference 12 - 4 = 8.0 mmol/l
About 1/13 of your body weight is blood
So if your weight is 78 kg you have 78/13=6 liters blood

You want to get rid of 8.0 mmol/l x 6 liters = 48 mmol glucose
The molecular weight of Glucose = 180 Gram/Mol
Or 48 mmol=48 x 180 / 1000 = 8.64 grams
And 1 g of glucose is 4 calories
So you need to waist 8.64 x 4 = 35 calories
On my cross trainer , which has a calorie counter , this is about 10 minutes
!!

Yes , indeed just a spoonfull of glucose and a tiny bit of exercise.
This is caused by the fact that your blood is not the STOCK of the glucose
Free glucose is rather toxic so your body stores it in your liver in a
special , not harmfull , way.If the glucose is needed than it is
TRANSPORTED by your blood at an unbelieveable low concentration.To do it the
concentration in your blood is very precisely regulated : down with Insulin
and up with Glucagon.

Now if your bg will stay there is another question.....
Depends on the setpoints for insulin and glucagon and a zillion other
factors which are all Gene specific.(Hey a joke So if you want to know
how it works for you than follow the method Chris proposes.

To use a car analogy : your liver is the gastank , your mucles the motor and
the petrol line your veins.The only thing you are measuring with a bg meter
is the gas in the petrol line , not in the tank !!

Please don't take this as an advice to minimize exercise.
hth
Gys

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> "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99264A333AB16Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
>> news:133lip234ph5i39@news.supernews.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns9925ED28E10CEFreelance@66.150.105.231...
>> >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
>> >> news:133kvm7nqj20cc5@news.supernews.com:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose
>> >> >> burned?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>> >> >
>> >> > I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal
>> >> > experience, whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers
>> >> > bg's for me. I can burn off a lunch time indiscretion for
>> >> > example by doing some housework for about half an hour. If I sat
>> >> > down and watched TV after that indiscretion the likelihood of
>> >> > lowering it in a hurry would be pretty unlikely for me.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
>> > equipment
>> >> not only told you how many calories you were working off but also
>> >> a ball park figure for Bg?
>> >>
>> >> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed,
>> >> pulled, ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
>> >
>> >
>> > Lovely thought But I don't use equipment.
>> > I think it's safe to say that anything other than lying on the sofa
>> > is better than none when it comes to exercise. Having said that, I
>> > am not about to do 1/2 an hour of frenetic exercise to burn off the
>> > extra slice of bread I had at lunch. That is so not normal in my
>> > eyes. I'd rather live my life as it is, with exercise playing some
>> > part in my day, not being the most important part of my day. I am
>> > happy enough to consume 1 slice of bread with my salad and lunch. I
>> > feel full on more anyway.
>> >
>>
>> I haven't heard anyone use that word in a long while (Frenetic). That
>> is a great benefit of Usenet.
>
> Lol, used commonly in my house My step-daughter's name is Fran, we
> always called her Frenetic Fran, now it's just Frenetic. She is not
> frenetic BTW.
>
>> I agree and especially after getting diabeties inspite of exercising
>> for years and years.
>
> Hey, I got diabetes after eating a high fibre, low fat diet. Nothing
> "white" passed my lips for years. I could be the poster girl for
> diabetic associations around the world for having eaten like all the
> recommendations for diabetics.
>
> I hate it like I hate taking vitamins, but personally
>> speaking, I do feel better the whole day after screwing up 20 minutes
>> of it with exercise and I'm a terrible fiddler who has to constantly
>> remind myself to stop fixing what 'ain't' broke.
>
> I love exercise, but the kind I do. That's why I do what I do My
> eldest daughter has a gym in her security apartment block and works
> out morning and evening. I didn't find it interesting at all the night
> I stayed with her. I no longer enjoy team sports either. But it
> doesn't matter what the exercise is as long as it is sustainable and
> it works.
>
>
>

Sustainable is the difficult part. I guess that's why there are so many
different kooks selling beach balls and steps as exercise equipment for
millions.

I thinking about buying this new one I saw the other day. It called a
Stick and you throw it and then go and get it and throw it again. They
say it really works up a sweat and you can do it anywhere - just not
close to a road or a dog.

There is another version that gives you more of a workout called a Big
Rock but I'm not ready for that yet. Besides it costs to much.

Some people buy both and throw the Stick and then use the Big Rock to
fend off the dogs.

--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas
Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

"GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl> wrote in
news:463bbdff$0$16951$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl :

>
> "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>>
>> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose burned?
>>
>> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>
> Hi Gene,
> now this is not completely theoretical.I tried it on myself.For me
> this is about right 10 - 20 min on my cross trainer will do that.Here
> are the (rounded) figures from a healthy meal I got from my dietician
> ( Rice , Turkey , Salad , Yogurt and a banana ) :
>
> Before the first bite : 4.0 mmol/l
> 1h after the first bite 12.0 mmol/l
>
> Difference 12 - 4 = 8.0 mmol/l
> About 1/13 of your body weight is blood
> So if your weight is 78 kg you have 78/13=6 liters blood
>
> You want to get rid of 8.0 mmol/l x 6 liters = 48 mmol glucose
> The molecular weight of Glucose = 180 Gram/Mol
> Or 48 mmol=48 x 180 / 1000 = 8.64 grams
> And 1 g of glucose is 4 calories
> So you need to waist 8.64 x 4 = 35 calories
> On my cross trainer , which has a calorie counter , this is about 10
> minutes !!
>
> Yes , indeed just a spoonfull of glucose and a tiny bit of exercise.
> This is caused by the fact that your blood is not the STOCK of the
> glucose Free glucose is rather toxic so your body stores it in your
> liver in a special , not harmfull , way.If the glucose is needed than
> it is TRANSPORTED by your blood at an unbelieveable low
> concentration.To do it the concentration in your blood is very
> precisely regulated : down with Insulin and up with Glucagon.
>
> Now if your bg will stay there is another question.....
> Depends on the setpoints for insulin and glucagon and a zillion other
> factors which are all Gene specific.(Hey a joke So if you want to
> know how it works for you than follow the method Chris proposes.
>
> To use a car analogy : your liver is the gastank , your mucles the
> motor and the petrol line your veins.The only thing you are measuring
> with a bg meter is the gas in the petrol line , not in the tank !!
>
> Please don't take this as an advice to minimize exercise.
> hth
> Gys
>
>
>
Thanks - it always amazes me how fast exercise drops the Bg.

I was just thinking outloud. More out 'out loud' than 'thinking' as is
often the case


How much did that lousy watch Bg meter make so far as a failure?


--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas
Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

"Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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> "GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl> wrote in
> news:463bbdff$0$16951$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl :
>

> Thanks - it always amazes me how fast exercise drops the Bg.
>
> I was just thinking outloud. More out 'out loud' than 'thinking' as is
> often the case

Hi Gene,
al knowledge starts with being amazed.I think it is a good thing to ask
questions.
Gys

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> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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> >
> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns99264A333AB16Freelance@66.150.105.231...
> >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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> >>
> >> >
> >> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:Xns9925ED28E10CEFreelance@66.150.105.231...
> >> >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:133kvm7nqj20cc5@news.supernews.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose
> >> >> >> burned?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal
> >> >> > experience, whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers
> >> >> > bg's for me. I can burn off a lunch time indiscretion for
> >> >> > example by doing some housework for about half an hour. If I sat
> >> >> > down and watched TV after that indiscretion the likelihood of
> >> >> > lowering it in a hurry would be pretty unlikely for me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the exercise
> >> > equipment
> >> >> not only told you how many calories you were working off but also
> >> >> a ball park figure for Bg?
> >> >>
> >> >> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you, pushed,
> >> >> pulled, ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Lovely thought But I don't use equipment.
> >> > I think it's safe to say that anything other than lying on the sofa
> >> > is better than none when it comes to exercise. Having said that, I
> >> > am not about to do 1/2 an hour of frenetic exercise to burn off the
> >> > extra slice of bread I had at lunch. That is so not normal in my
> >> > eyes. I'd rather live my life as it is, with exercise playing some
> >> > part in my day, not being the most important part of my day. I am
> >> > happy enough to consume 1 slice of bread with my salad and lunch. I
> >> > feel full on more anyway.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I haven't heard anyone use that word in a long while (Frenetic). That
> >> is a great benefit of Usenet.
> >
> > Lol, used commonly in my house My step-daughter's name is Fran, we
> > always called her Frenetic Fran, now it's just Frenetic. She is not
> > frenetic BTW.
> >
> >> I agree and especially after getting diabeties inspite of exercising
> >> for years and years.
> >
> > Hey, I got diabetes after eating a high fibre, low fat diet. Nothing
> > "white" passed my lips for years. I could be the poster girl for
> > diabetic associations around the world for having eaten like all the
> > recommendations for diabetics.
> >
> > I hate it like I hate taking vitamins, but personally
> >> speaking, I do feel better the whole day after screwing up 20 minutes
> >> of it with exercise and I'm a terrible fiddler who has to constantly
> >> remind myself to stop fixing what 'ain't' broke.
> >
> > I love exercise, but the kind I do. That's why I do what I do My
> > eldest daughter has a gym in her security apartment block and works
> > out morning and evening. I didn't find it interesting at all the night
> > I stayed with her. I no longer enjoy team sports either. But it
> > doesn't matter what the exercise is as long as it is sustainable and
> > it works.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Sustainable is the difficult part. I guess that's why there are so many
> different kooks selling beach balls and steps as exercise equipment for
> millions.
>
> I thinking about buying this new one I saw the other day. It called a
> Stick and you throw it and then go and get it and throw it again. They
> say it really works up a sweat and you can do it anywhere - just not
> close to a road or a dog.
>
> There is another version that gives you more of a workout called a Big
> Rock but I'm not ready for that yet. Besides it costs to much.
>
> Some people buy both and throw the Stick and then use the Big Rock to
> fend off the dogs.

I like beach fishing. You walk over dry sand for a mile or two, include a
couple of sand dunes. Then you wade into the ocean using the water as
resistance against your legs. Casting is good exercise expecially if you are
ambidextrous, otherwise you build one arm and shoulder up Running
backwards through the water while reeling in when you catch a big one is
excellent leg exercise. After all this you sometimes have dinner as a bonus

On 04 May 2007 23:22:22 GMT, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:

>I thinking about buying this new one I saw the other day. It called a
>Stick and you throw it and then go and get it and throw it again. They
>say it really works up a sweat and you can do it anywhere - just not
>close to a road or a dog.

<giggle> The Aussies have extended this with the boomerang - at least
when I throw them, they go off in totally unexpected directions and
are guaranteed not to come back... Letting a small child loose
probably has a similar effect, with similar caveats against roads and
dogs?

Last night I was feeling lazy, didn't want to get the weights out. I
spent half an hour alternating between pushups and squats, 20 of each
in a set - that was a workout. Zero equipment, lots of sweat. Tonight
I think I'll take the easy route and get out the weights... if my
shoulders can lift them...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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> "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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>> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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>> >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
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>> >> >
>> >> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in
>> >> >> news:133kvm7nqj20cc5@news.supernews.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Gene" <What@Me.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:Xns9925C8B8B9458Freelance@66.150.105.231...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Is there a corelation between calories burned and glucose
>> >> >> >> burned?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Is there a formula? Or any formal relationship at all?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have never gone into any formulas Gene but from personal
>> >> >> > experience, whatever burns off calories significantly, lowers
>> >> >> > bg's for me. I can burn off a lunch time indiscretion for
>> >> >> > example by doing some housework for about half an hour. If I
>> >> >> > sat down and watched TV after that indiscretion the
>> >> >> > likelihood of lowering it in a hurry would be pretty unlikely
>> >> >> > for me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What I was wondering was that wouldn't it be nice if the
>> >> >> exercise
>> >> > equipment
>> >> >> not only told you how many calories you were working off but
>> >> >> also a ball park figure for Bg?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You'd punch in your beginning Bg and watch it drop as you,
>> >> >> pushed, pulled, ran, walked, biked or rowed away the glucose.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Lovely thought But I don't use equipment.
>> >> > I think it's safe to say that anything other than lying on the
>> >> > sofa is better than none when it comes to exercise. Having said
>> >> > that, I am not about to do 1/2 an hour of frenetic exercise to
>> >> > burn off the extra slice of bread I had at lunch. That is so not
>> >> > normal in my eyes. I'd rather live my life as it is, with
>> >> > exercise playing some part in my day, not being the most
>> >> > important part of my day. I am happy enough to consume 1 slice
>> >> > of bread with my salad and lunch. I feel full on more anyway.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I haven't heard anyone use that word in a long while (Frenetic).
>> >> That is a great benefit of Usenet.
>> >
>> > Lol, used commonly in my house My step-daughter's name is Fran,
>> > we always called her Frenetic Fran, now it's just Frenetic. She is
>> > not frenetic BTW.
>> >
>> >> I agree and especially after getting diabeties inspite of
>> >> exercising for years and years.
>> >
>> > Hey, I got diabetes after eating a high fibre, low fat diet.
>> > Nothing "white" passed my lips for years. I could be the poster
>> > girl for diabetic associations around the world for having eaten
>> > like all the recommendations for diabetics.
>> >
>> > I hate it like I hate taking vitamins, but personally
>> >> speaking, I do feel better the whole day after screwing up 20
>> >> minutes of it with exercise and I'm a terrible fiddler who has to
>> >> constantly remind myself to stop fixing what 'ain't' broke.
>> >
>> > I love exercise, but the kind I do. That's why I do what I do My
>> > eldest daughter has a gym in her security apartment block and works
>> > out morning and evening. I didn't find it interesting at all the
>> > night I stayed with her. I no longer enjoy team sports either. But
>> > it doesn't matter what the exercise is as long as it is sustainable
>> > and it works.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Sustainable is the difficult part. I guess that's why there are so
>> many different kooks selling beach balls and steps as exercise
>> equipment for millions.
>>
>> I thinking about buying this new one I saw the other day. It called a
>> Stick and you throw it and then go and get it and throw it again.
>> They say it really works up a sweat and you can do it anywhere - just
>> not close to a road or a dog.
>>
>> There is another version that gives you more of a workout called a
>> Big Rock but I'm not ready for that yet. Besides it costs to much.
>>
>> Some people buy both and throw the Stick and then use the Big Rock to
>> fend off the dogs.
>
> I like beach fishing. You walk over dry sand for a mile or two,
> include a couple of sand dunes. Then you wade into the ocean using the
> water as resistance against your legs. Casting is good exercise
> expecially if you are ambidextrous, otherwise you build one arm and
> shoulder up Running backwards through the water while reeling in
> when you catch a big one is excellent leg exercise. After all this you
> sometimes have dinner as a bonus
>
>

Sounds like you have sustainable down pat.

--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas
Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in
news:79io33hidpbgjjq1v9hliduevgg1ltho78@4ax.com:

> On 04 May 2007 23:22:22 GMT, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:
>
>>I thinking about buying this new one I saw the other day. It called a
>>Stick and you throw it and then go and get it and throw it again. They
>>say it really works up a sweat and you can do it anywhere - just not
>>close to a road or a dog.
>
> <giggle> The Aussies have extended this with the boomerang - at least
> when I throw them, they go off in totally unexpected directions and
> are guaranteed not to come back... Letting a small child loose
> probably has a similar effect, with similar caveats against roads and
> dogs?
>
> Last night I was feeling lazy, didn't want to get the weights out. I
> spent half an hour alternating between pushups and squats, 20 of each
> in a set - that was a workout. Zero equipment, lots of sweat. Tonight
> I think I'll take the easy route and get out the weights... if my
> shoulders can lift them...
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25
>

Odd isn't it - how many of us would be talking of exercise and diet if it
wasn't for diabetes.

I wonder if strict testing, diet and exercise just moderates the effects
of diabetes or do folks make it to or past normal life spans with this
regiment?




--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas
Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG

On 05 May 2007 12:07:41 GMT, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:

>Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in
>news:79io33hidpbgjjq1v9hliduevgg1ltho78@4ax.com :
>
>> On 04 May 2007 23:22:22 GMT, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I thinking about buying this new one I saw the other day. It called a
>>>Stick and you throw it and then go and get it and throw it again. They
>>>say it really works up a sweat and you can do it anywhere - just not
>>>close to a road or a dog.
>>
>> <giggle> The Aussies have extended this with the boomerang - at least
>> when I throw them, they go off in totally unexpected directions and
>> are guaranteed not to come back... Letting a small child loose
>> probably has a similar effect, with similar caveats against roads and
>> dogs?
>>
>> Last night I was feeling lazy, didn't want to get the weights out. I
>> spent half an hour alternating between pushups and squats, 20 of each
>> in a set - that was a workout. Zero equipment, lots of sweat. Tonight
>> I think I'll take the easy route and get out the weights... if my
>> shoulders can lift them...
>>
>> Nicky.
>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>> Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25
>>
>
>Odd isn't it - how many of us would be talking of exercise and diet if it
>wasn't for diabetes.
>
>I wonder if strict testing, diet and exercise just moderates the effects
>of diabetes or do folks make it to or past normal life spans with this
>regiment?

I have no doubt that the action I took as a result of the
diabetes diagnosis lengthened, or improved the quality of,
the span I have left.

It is extremely unlikely that I would have taken that action
if I had not had that diagnosis.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Venice, Aquileia and Trieste

Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fg0q33h5k3mogqj2ah2af9en70h8nr4npo@4ax.com:

> On 05 May 2007 12:07:41 GMT, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:
>
>>Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in
>>news:79io33hidpbgjjq1v9hliduevgg1ltho78@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> On 04 May 2007 23:22:22 GMT, Gene <What@Me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I thinking about buying this new one I saw the other day. It called
>>>>a Stick and you throw it and then go and get it and throw it again.
>>>>They say it really works up a sweat and you can do it anywhere -
>>>>just not close to a road or a dog.
>>>
>>> <giggle> The Aussies have extended this with the boomerang - at
>>> least when I throw them, they go off in totally unexpected
>>> directions and are guaranteed not to come back... Letting a small
>>> child loose probably has a similar effect, with similar caveats
>>> against roads and dogs?
>>>
>>> Last night I was feeling lazy, didn't want to get the weights out. I
>>> spent half an hour alternating between pushups and squats, 20 of
>>> each in a set - that was a workout. Zero equipment, lots of sweat.
>>> Tonight I think I'll take the easy route and get out the weights...
>>> if my shoulders can lift them...
>>>
>>> Nicky.
>>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>>> Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25
>>>
>>
>>Odd isn't it - how many of us would be talking of exercise and diet if
>>it wasn't for diabetes.
>>
>>I wonder if strict testing, diet and exercise just moderates the
>>effects of diabetes or do folks make it to or past normal life spans
>>with this regiment?
>
> I have no doubt that the action I took as a result of the
> diabetes diagnosis lengthened, or improved the quality of,
> the span I have left.
>
> It is extremely unlikely that I would have taken that action
> if I had not had that diagnosis.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Venice, Aquileia and Trieste
>

I tend to agree just using my own experience. So far, diabetes has been a
harsh but necessary wake up call.

--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas
Jefferson

"History is earmarked by the successes of liberals and mistakes of
conservatives." - ETG