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HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
(around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
go up?

Thank You for any information you can give me.

"EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
> type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
> levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
> it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
> take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
> before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
> (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
> see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
> go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
> go up?
>
> Thank You for any information you can give me.

I'm hardly an expert on the subject, but from what I've recently learned,
your liver can create glucose even when you don't eat.

On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:22:16 -0400, "Frisbee®"
<billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>> HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
>> type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
>> levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
>> it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
>> take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
>> before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
>> (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
>> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
>> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
>> see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
>> go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
>> go up?
>>
>> Thank You for any information you can give me.
>
>I'm hardly an expert on the subject, but from what I've recently learned,
>your liver can create glucose even when you don't eat.
>

it's generally called dawn effect or dawn phenomenon. A natural
response to waking up in any human being, just doesn't work right in
diabetics because of the inability to self regulate BG levels any
more. Type 2s will speak up with the suggestions that work for them
in reducing this.

also google dawn phenomenon.

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EB14-BW26 wrote:
> HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
> type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
> levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
> it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
> take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
> before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
> (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
> see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
> go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
> go up?
>
> Thank You for any information you can give me.
>

97 and 108 is basically the same reading. Meter variance.

If it was 97 and 148 there would be cause for concern.

Vicki

"EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
> type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
> levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
> it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
> take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
> before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
> (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
> see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
> go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
> go up?
>
> Thank You for any information you can give me.

Dawn phenomenon will cause BG to go up in the morning, especially if you do
not have a snack before bed. However... Your numbers, 97 and 108 are
fairly close together and well within the range of meter error. Also, BG
(BS is something else) is not totally stable. It will vary from minute to
minute. I wouldn't worry about it. You're within the range you want.

On May 31, 10:23 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "EB14-BW26" <newsmong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
> > type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
> > levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
> > it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
> > take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
> > before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
> > (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
> > not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
> > when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
> > see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
> > go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
> > go up?
>
> > Thank You for any information you can give me.
>
> Dawn phenomenon will cause BG to go up in the morning, especially if you do
> not have a snack before bed. However... Your numbers, 97 and 108 are
> fairly close together and well within the range of meter error. Also, BG
> (BS is something else) is not totally stable. It will vary from minute to
> minute. I wouldn't worry about it. You're within the range you want.

OK..I have always reffered to it as Blood Sugar, not blood glucose.
My Doctor knows what I am talking about, I guess my terminology is not
the best.

When you say 97 vs 108 is meter error..I don't get it. For the last 8
months, I have been relying on that meter to tell me what is going
on. My goal has been trying to stay under 100, and on my old
medicine, I was doing that constantly. Since my last checkup, my Dr
told me I was doing much better and put me on the straight MEtformin
(the other was a combo of metformis and something else, I cant
rememeber what) and since then, I have been struggling to stay under
100, being in the 95-120 range most of the time. It is frustrating,
but now you are telling me what I have been using is not reliable. I
just don't get it.

"EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
> see my BS level to be 108.
>

These numbers are so close that they are virtually the same.
You can get that kind of variation in test done just minutes apart.
bj

"EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 31, 10:23 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "EB14-BW26" <newsmong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> > HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
>> > type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
>> > levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
>> > it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
>> > take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
>> > before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
>> > (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
>> > not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
>> > when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
>> > see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
>> > go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
>> > go up?
>>
>> > Thank You for any information you can give me.
>>
>> Dawn phenomenon will cause BG to go up in the morning, especially if you
>> do
>> not have a snack before bed. However... Your numbers, 97 and 108 are
>> fairly close together and well within the range of meter error. Also, BG
>> (BS is something else) is not totally stable. It will vary from minute
>> to
>> minute. I wouldn't worry about it. You're within the range you want.
>
> OK..I have always reffered to it as Blood Sugar, not blood glucose.
> My Doctor knows what I am talking about, I guess my terminology is not
> the best.
>
> When you say 97 vs 108 is meter error..I don't get it. For the last 8
> months, I have been relying on that meter to tell me what is going
> on. My goal has been trying to stay under 100, and on my old
> medicine, I was doing that constantly. Since my last checkup, my Dr
> told me I was doing much better and put me on the straight MEtformin
> (the other was a combo of metformis and something else, I cant
> rememeber what) and since then, I have been struggling to stay under
> 100, being in the 95-120 range most of the time. It is frustrating,
> but now you are telling me what I have been using is not reliable. I
> just don't get it.

Meters are not 100% accurate. I can't remember the exact amount of variance
allowed. Perhaps someone else will and will pot it. Why are you trying to
stay under 100? Who gave you that goal?

On Thu, 31 May 2007 05:43:45 -0700, EB14-BW26 wrote:

> HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
> type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
> levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
> it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
> take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
> before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
> (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
> see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
> go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
> go up?
>
> Thank You for any information you can give me.

see 'dawn phenomenon'. The only way I've been able to mitigate it is to
take the last of my four daily metformin doses at 3 a.m. when I often
awaken.

On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:39:43 +0000, bj wrote:

>
> "EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
>> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
>> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
>> see my BS level to be 108.
>>
>
> These numbers are so close that they are virtually the same.
> You can get that kind of variation in test done just minutes apart.
> bj

If they consistently show that, then it's a good bet it's real. You are
correct that they are within the +-15% meter variance which is standard
now.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1180625576.556053.210750@u30g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>> On May 31, 10:23 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "EB14-BW26" <newsmong...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> > HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
>>> > type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
>>> > levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
>>> > it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
>>> > take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
>>> > before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
>>> > (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
>>> > not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
>>> > when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
>>> > see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
>>> > go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
>>> > go up?
>>>
>>> > Thank You for any information you can give me.
>>>
>>> Dawn phenomenon will cause BG to go up in the morning, especially if you
>>> do
>>> not have a snack before bed. However... Your numbers, 97 and 108 are
>>> fairly close together and well within the range of meter error. Also,
>>> BG
>>> (BS is something else) is not totally stable. It will vary from minute
>>> to
>>> minute. I wouldn't worry about it. You're within the range you want.
>>
>> OK..I have always reffered to it as Blood Sugar, not blood glucose.
>> My Doctor knows what I am talking about, I guess my terminology is not
>> the best.
>>
>> When you say 97 vs 108 is meter error..I don't get it. For the last 8
>> months, I have been relying on that meter to tell me what is going
>> on. My goal has been trying to stay under 100, and on my old
>> medicine, I was doing that constantly. Since my last checkup, my Dr
>> told me I was doing much better and put me on the straight MEtformin
>> (the other was a combo of metformis and something else, I cant
>> rememeber what) and since then, I have been struggling to stay under
>> 100, being in the 95-120 range most of the time. It is frustrating,
>> but now you are telling me what I have been using is not reliable. I
>> just don't get it.
>
> Meters are not 100% accurate. I can't remember the exact amount of
> variance allowed. Perhaps someone else will and will pot it. Why are you
> trying to stay under 100? Who gave you that goal?
>

95 -120 is good. The stress of trying to keep it lower is enough to drive it
up.
Ive done back to back cal checks and the numbers would be over 20 different.

Jimmie

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EB14-BW26 wrote:
> On May 31, 10:23 am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:

> When you say 97 vs 108 is meter error..I don't get it. For the last 8
> months, I have been relying on that meter to tell me what is going
> on. My goal has been trying to stay under 100, and on my old
> medicine, I was doing that constantly. Since my last checkup, my Dr
> told me I was doing much better and put me on the straight MEtformin
> (the other was a combo of metformis and something else, I cant
> rememeber what) and since then, I have been struggling to stay under
> 100, being in the 95-120 range most of the time. It is frustrating,
> but now you are telling me what I have been using is not reliable. I
> just don't get it.
>


When are you due for an A1c check? Metformin drove my averages up, not
down.

It could be meter variability or it could be something else.

Susan

Hi, welcome to our group. Most meters have some kind of variable in
numbers and 97 could be 108. I dont think it was dawn phenomenon which
is the body giving out glucose to prevent a low because I believe your
number would have been higher. JMO. There are many others here who
have really good answers.

Loretta

"EB14-BW26" <newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180615425.684115.318050@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> HI...a newcomer here, but I was diagnosed about last October with
> type2. I have a question for you people. While my Blood sugar
> levels have been mainly under control, but not as good as I would want
> it lately...something happened that I don't know how to explain. I
> take metformin 500mg 2 times a day, usually at 6AM (when I get up and
> before I go to work) and 6 PM. Before I went to bed last night
> (around 11 PM), I tested myself and my BS level was at 97. Now, I did
> not have anything to eat for at least 4 hours before I went to bed, so
> when I woke up in the morning and tested myself, I was surprised to
> see my BS level to be 108. What would cause my blood sugar level to
> go up during the night when I didn't have anything to eat to make it
> go up?
>
> Thank You for any information you can give me.

97 and 108 are basically the same number. Well within meter error allowance.
If your bg's go up significantly for the fasting test then you have what is
called dawn phenomenon. That should provide a good hour's googling

On 31 May 2007 08:32:56 -0700, EB14-BW26
<newsmonger5@hotmail.com> wrote:

>OK..I have always reffered to it as Blood Sugar, not blood glucose.
>My Doctor knows what I am talking about, I guess my terminology is not
>the best.
>
>When you say 97 vs 108 is meter error..I don't get it. For the last 8
>months, I have been relying on that meter to tell me what is going
>on. My goal has been trying to stay under 100, and on my old
>medicine, I was doing that constantly. Since my last checkup, my Dr
>told me I was doing much better and put me on the straight MEtformin
>(the other was a combo of metformis and something else, I cant
>rememeber what) and since then, I have been struggling to stay under
>100, being in the 95-120 range most of the time. It is frustrating,
>but now you are telling me what I have been using is not reliable. I
>just don't get it.

The others have explained dawn effect, read more here:
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/dp.htm

However, you may find this worth reading to help improve
those numbers:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
and this is something amplifying that advice that I wrote
myself:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...ew-adjust.html

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

I was on 6x500mg Metformin, which I was advised to take at 2x500 3
separate times during the day. For reasons best explained by my own
bizarre mentation, I changed to one pill at 8 am, 12 pm, 4 pm, 8pm,
and two pills at 12 am. My numbers almost immediately plummeted from
10-12 to 5-6 (that's 180-216 to 90-108). The switch to a low-carb diet
probably helped as well. That meant cutting out rice, noodles, pasta,
cereals, and bread. (Well, I do have the occasional sandwich, but
probably only once a week.)

In the month since I made these changes, I have dropped from 202 lbs
to 188, and I feel fine. Perhaps you could discuss this with your
doctor, and maybe change to 250 mg pills to take four times a day?
Please note that everyone reacts differently with this disease, so
what is working for me may not work for you. Good luck!