A question

I am sorry to be a pain again :-(

I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.

I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now which
way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?

Thanks a million.

Diana, what kind of insurance do you have? Is it possible to find a new
primary care doctor where you are, or are you limited in choices by your
insurance?

Cheri



Diana wrote in message <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>...
>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>
>I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>
>I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the
primary
>care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
which
>way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
>primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>
>Thanks a million.
>
>

Diana, I have wondered all along why you associated you urinary tract
infections with your diabetes. I have had them since I was 22 y/o. I am
64, and still have them (have one right now, in fact , even taking a
prophylactic antibiotic. I see a urologist for my urinary problems (you
should see your pcp first and go from there), and my endo for my diabetes.
I have six different doctors for currently active diseases right now. They
talk to each other, but each one controls each specialty. I am glad to hear
you endo referring you back to your pcp for your recurring utis.

If you want to talk utis privately, I'd be glad to.
Billie


"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
:I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
:
: I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
: recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
:
: I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
: recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
: care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
which
: way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
: primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
:
: Thanks a million.
:
:

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:yYedneoeurS1bDrYnZ2dnUVZ_qKknZ2d@inreach.com. ..
> Diana, what kind of insurance do you have? Is it possible to find a new
> primary care doctor where you are, or are you limited in choices by your
> insurance?
>
> Cheri
>
>
>
> Diana wrote in message <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>...
>>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>>
>>I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>>recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>>
>>I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>>recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the
> primary
>>care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
> which
>>way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
>>primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>>
>>Thanks a million.
>>
Hi Cheri

I have Humana PPO through my husbands work and I have Medicare through SS so
I have good insurance for a change. I feel like no one wants to take care of
me. They say the infections are diabetes related then don't want to care for
me and send me back to the doctor who told me to go away to begin with. See
why I stay away? I never have anything good to tell you all. I can't keep
burdening people especially good people like you all , all the time. I just
don't know where to turn anymore.

"Billie" <mynewsaccount@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:VwSph.26650$QU1.21302@newssvr22.news.prodigy. net...
> Diana, I have wondered all along why you associated you urinary tract
> infections with your diabetes. I have had them since I was 22 y/o. I am
> 64, and still have them (have one right now, in fact , even taking a
> prophylactic antibiotic. I see a urologist for my urinary problems (you
> should see your pcp first and go from there), and my endo for my diabetes.
> I have six different doctors for currently active diseases right now.
> They
> talk to each other, but each one controls each specialty. I am glad to
> hear
> you endo referring you back to your pcp for your recurring utis.
>
> If you want to talk utis privately, I'd be glad to.
> Billie
>
>
> "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> news:45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> :I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
> :
> : I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
> : recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
> :
> : I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
> : recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the
> primary
> : care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
> which
> : way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
> : primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
> :
> : Thanks a million.
> :
Hi Billie,
Thank you for being so kind. It was the endo that found the infection a
month ago as two months before I thought I had one as I had the symptoms and
my pcp told me it wasn't not one but then a month later I went to the endo
for regular visit and she told me I did have one and gave me two weeks of
antibiotics. Then went for two more weeks or a month and then said I had
another one and this time yesterday when the endo's nurse called told me
they are diabetes related because my bg's have been very high and
uncontrolled for over a year now. Thanks for your information and I feel bad
for you to have to see so many doctors and that has to get very expensive
for you. I wish you all the very best. I am 56 btw and was never sick except
for horrendous migraines until the diabetes diagnosis in 1999 then
everything went to heck in a handbasket so to speak.

In article <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:

> I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>
> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>
> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now which
> way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
> primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>
> Thanks a million.

Sounds like you need to be clear with them about why you need to see the
MD. Don't mention the UTI until you're in there talking to the endo
about better control. Then you can mention it as an effect of your
being out of control.

Priscilla

Then I would find a new doctor ASAP Diana. You certainly don't want to
mess around with a doctor who refuses to treat you anyway. A pox on
him/her... and find someone else. As to having "good" things to tell,
your presence is very good, and you can be a big help to others who
might be going through the same kinds of kidney infections by relating
your symptoms, treatment, etc. here.

Cheri


Diana wrote in message <45a7f4f4$0$5259$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>...
>
>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>news:yYedneoeurS1bDrYnZ2dnUVZ_qKknZ2d@inreach.com ...
>> Diana, what kind of insurance do you have? Is it possible to find a
new
>> primary care doctor where you are, or are you limited in choices by
your
>> insurance?
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>> Diana wrote in message <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>...
>>>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>>>
>>>I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people
with
>>>recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>>>
>>>I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on
a
>>>recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the
>> primary
>>>care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so
now
>> which
>>>way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to
the
>>>primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>>>
>>>Thanks a million.
>>>
>Hi Cheri
>
>I have Humana PPO through my husbands work and I have Medicare through
SS so
>I have good insurance for a change. I feel like no one wants to take
care of
>me. They say the infections are diabetes related then don't want to
care for
>me and send me back to the doctor who told me to go away to begin with.
See
>why I stay away? I never have anything good to tell you all. I can't
keep
>burdening people especially good people like you all , all the time. I
just
>don't know where to turn anymore.
>
>

your primary should be treating the kidney
infection

of course, you have to get your bg levels DOWN to
get rid of the kidney infection

kate
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"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>
> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she
said that people with
> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go
to the primary care.
>
> I am confused because she flat out told me that
I am getting them on a
> recurring basis because of my diabetes being
uncontrolled and the primary
> care is the one who said he would not treat my
diabetes anymore so now which
> way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would
I be told to go to the
> primary care? How do I know who to go see and
for what now?
>
> Thanks a million.
>
>

In article <vze23t8n-88D94D.16135412012007@individual.net>,
"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

> In article <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
> > I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
> >
> > I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
> > recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
> >
> > I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
> > recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
> > care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
> > which
> > way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
> > primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
> >
> > Thanks a million.
>
> Sounds like you need to be clear with them about why you need to see the
> MD. Don't mention the UTI until you're in there talking to the endo
> about better control. Then you can mention it as an effect of your
> being out of control.
>

And if the endo says you should go back to the GP, tell her that the GP
sent you back to her. Then, suggest that she get the GP on the phone
right then and there and that the two of them decide which one of them
will treat this.

--
"and the snark alert level has reached "fuschia""
---zig zigalo homes in on the meat of the matter

Diana, I am *very* familiar with the seesaw effect of the uti dx among
doctors!!!! They have FINALLY started listening to me for a change,
especially the Infectious Disease Specialist I am now seeing. I have kidney
infections, not bladder infections, so do not have the usual symptoms.

I have also kept up with you throughout the years, so am familiar with your
situation in general. My health beyond my diabetes, plus some real life
situations have prevented me from corresponding as I used to some years ago
in other support groups, but I do think of you regularly, and often wonder
how you are doing. Not glad you had a problem crop up, but glad to hear
from you.

You need a deeper evaluation of your infections. My pcp was only doing a
two week antibiotic treatment, and just before Christmas, we found it took a
month of two stronger ones, and then within ten days infection blasted my
body all over again. They are talking about putting me on iv antibiotics.
This is why you need to get to a urologist (do you have to be referred under
your plans? Not under Medicare do you, I don't.). Because of the way all of
my doctors work together, my endo gets involved with my utis, but only when
I have an undiagnosed one when I am there for a regular visit; he almost
hospitalized me from his office for one last summer, but would have referred
me back to my pcp and urologist for the continuing care.

Send me your email address and we can talk more. I can "do" IM, but do not
particularly like it. I also have text messaging, and love to do that!
Billie
bh-wages at swbell dot net




"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:45a7f6d8$0$7654$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
: : Hi Billie,
: Thank you for being so kind. It was the endo that found the infection a
: month ago as two months before I thought I had one as I had the symptoms
and
: my pcp told me it wasn't not one but then a month later I went to the endo
: for regular visit and she told me I did have one and gave me two weeks of
: antibiotics. Then went for two more weeks or a month and then said I had
: another one and this time yesterday when the endo's nurse called told me
: they are diabetes related because my bg's have been very high and
: uncontrolled for over a year now. Thanks for your information and I feel
bad
: for you to have to see so many doctors and that has to get very expensive
: for you. I wish you all the very best. I am 56 btw and was never sick
except
: for horrendous migraines until the diabetes diagnosis in 1999 then
: everything went to heck in a handbasket so to speak.
:
:

Kate, it depends on what the utis are from. They *may* not be diabetes
related at all. That is why she needs to see a urologist, and find the root
of the problem. My bg levels have no effect on my uti infections. Three
consecutive 6.x a1c reports did nothing to squelch the infections. Getting
rid of the infections might make it one step easier to getting the bg levels
down, though.

Billie


"TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:50qcrjF1h926iU1@mid.individual.net...
: your primary should be treating the kidney
: infection
:
: of course, you have to get your bg levels DOWN to
: get rid of the kidney infection
:
: kate
: --
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: I have no medical qualifications beyond my own
: experience.
: Choose your advisers carefully, because experience
: can be
: an expensive teacher.
:
: "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
: news:45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
: > I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
: >
: > I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she
: said that people with
: > recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go
: to the primary care.
: >
: > I am confused because she flat out told me that
: I am getting them on a
: > recurring basis because of my diabetes being
: uncontrolled and the primary
: > care is the one who said he would not treat my
: diabetes anymore so now which
: > way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would
: I be told to go to the
: > primary care? How do I know who to go see and
: for what now?
: >
: > Thanks a million.
: >
: >
:
:

Amen, and preferably a urologist, especially if she doesn't have to go
through the hassle of a referral from the pcp. I don't have to have one for
Medicare, so I don't think she'd have to have one. If she could just see a
urologist, and explain how confused she was from what the doctors had told
her, s/he could give her some dedicated urinary care then, and ease her
anxiety while treating her.

How's your new year going, Cheri? Give me a week or so before asking about
mine.... LOL!!

Hugs
Billie



"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:HKudnYK5e53OYTrYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@inreach.com. ..
: Then I would find a new doctor ASAP Diana. You certainly don't want to
: mess around with a doctor who refuses to treat you anyway. A pox on
: him/her... and find someone else.

It's going good Billie, thanks for asking. You can tell me how yours is
going anytime you feel up to it. Take care. :-)

Cheri



Billie wrote in message
<0MTph.26666$QU1.2378@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>. ..
>
>How's your new year going, Cheri? Give me a week or so before asking
about
>mine.... LOL!!
>
>Hugs
>Billie

"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>
> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>
> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
> which way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to
> the primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>
> Thanks a million.

My Endo. sees me only for diabetes and thyroid followup type things. Even
when he suspected delayed stomach emptying, most likely from diabetes, he
referred me back to my GP.

Diana, whatever is causing the utis, you have them. My endo would not
treat that. Maybe you need a gynecologist or the primary care doctor.

Loretta

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:27:54 -0500, "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:

>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>
>I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>
>I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
>care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now which
>way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
>primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>
>Thanks a million.
>


CRAP!

I guess what you have to do is go to your primary care. When and if
they say they can't treat you because it is caused by your diabetes
then I guess you need to get a recommendation in writing from them to
your endo.

It sounds as if they are trying to pass the buck off to the other one
in the belief that your diabetes being out of control is your fault.
Even if that were true they owe it to you to work with you get back in
control, regardless of what that involves.

Good luck Kid. Let us know what you find out.

Remember God loves you and so do Laurie and I.
--

Grandpa Chuck
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"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:HKudnYK5e53OYTrYnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@inreach.com. ..
> Then I would find a new doctor ASAP Diana. You certainly don't want to
> mess around with a doctor who refuses to treat you anyway. A pox on
> him/her... and find someone else. As to having "good" things to tell,
> your presence is very good, and you can be a big help to others who
> might be going through the same kinds of kidney infections by relating
> your symptoms, treatment, etc. here.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> Diana wrote in message <45a7f4f4$0$5259$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>...
>>
>>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>>news:yYedneoeurS1bDrYnZ2dnUVZ_qKknZ2d@inreach.co m...
>>> Diana, what kind of insurance do you have? Is it possible to find a
> new
>>> primary care doctor where you are, or are you limited in choices by
> your
>>> insurance?
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Diana wrote in message <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>...
>>>>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>>>>
>>>>I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people
> with
>>>>recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>>>>
>>>>I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on
> a
>>>>recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the
>>> primary
>>>>care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so
> now
>>> which
>>>>way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to
> the
>>>>primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks a million.
>>>>
>>Hi Cheri
>>
>>I have Humana PPO through my husbands work and I have Medicare through
> SS so
>>I have good insurance for a change. I feel like no one wants to take
> care of
>>me. They say the infections are diabetes related then don't want to
> care for
>>me and send me back to the doctor who told me to go away to begin with.
> See
>>why I stay away? I never have anything good to tell you all. I can't
> keep
>>burdening people especially good people like you all , all the time. I
> just
>>don't know where to turn anymore.
>>
Hi Cheri
I agree. I am going to look for another internist. I went with this doctor
because I knew him when I worked at the hospital and I liked how he treated
his patients there. Also a good friend of mine who is a cop goes to him and
wanted badly for me to see this one so I did and he has me messed up bad. I
had already decided to find someone knew. I hope to find another internist
who will care for the whole body. I am not doing well with endo's for some
reason.

Thanks for good advice and I am taking it.

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
news:afaber-270910.16300612012007@reader2.panix.com...
> In article <vze23t8n-88D94D.16135412012007@individual.net>,
> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>> >
>> > I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>> > recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>> >
>> > I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>> > recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the
>> > primary
>> > care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
>> > which
>> > way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
>> > primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>> >
>> > Thanks a million.
>>
>> Sounds like you need to be clear with them about why you need to see the
>> MD. Don't mention the UTI until you're in there talking to the endo
>> about better control. Then you can mention it as an effect of your
>> being out of control.
>>
>
> And if the endo says you should go back to the GP, tell her that the GP
> sent you back to her. Then, suggest that she get the GP on the phone
> right then and there and that the two of them decide which one of them
> will treat this.
>
> --
> "and the snark alert level has reached "fuschia""
> ---zig zigalo homes in on the meat of the matter

Thank you ! ! ! I wish I had thought of that. I was going to call them today
and ask why I needed my PCP when it was diabetes related but I cried all
afternoon and couldn't talk so I will call on Monday. Thanks... In the
meantime I am going to look for an internist who will treat both hopefully.

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-88D94D.16135412012007@individual.net...
> In article <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>> I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>>
>> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>>
>> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
>> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
>> which
>> way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
>> primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>>
>> Thanks a million.
>
> Sounds like you need to be clear with them about why you need to see the
> MD. Don't mention the UTI until you're in there talking to the endo
> about better control. Then you can mention it as an effect of your
> being out of control.
>
> Priscilla

Hi Pricilla,
The endo and her nurse already know all this. It was them that found the
infection to begin with when my PCP told me I did not have one. The endo's
nurse practitioner is the one who said the high BG's are the cause of them
being recurrent all the time.

I feel like no physician wants to deal with me and I really don't know why
because I do try hard.

Thanks for your advice as it is good but I had already done that and right
now the endo has me on Levaquin for the next ten days.

posting within to respond.

"Billie" <mynewsaccount@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:3pTph.26660$QU1.2435@newssvr22.news.prodigy.n et...
> Diana, I am *very* familiar with the seesaw effect of the uti dx among
> doctors!!!! They have FINALLY started listening to me for a change,
> especially the Infectious Disease Specialist I am now seeing. I have
> kidney
> infections, not bladder infections, so do not have the usual symptoms.

===> Yes I am the same these are kidney not bladder infections. I hate that
you have them too but glad for your knowledge from experience :-)

> I have also kept up with you throughout the years, so am familiar with
> your
> situation in general. My health beyond my diabetes, plus some real life
> situations have prevented me from corresponding as I used to some years
> ago
> in other support groups, but I do think of you regularly, and often wonder
> how you are doing. Not glad you had a problem crop up, but glad to hear
> from you.

====> That is so sweet of you Thank you :-) I am glad you are here now
talking with all of us. Life has kept me away too pretty much. But not as
the troubled times you have had. When I am down I go within myself away from
family and friends to try to deal with things on my own.

> You need a deeper evaluation of your infections. My pcp was only doing a
> two week antibiotic treatment, and just before Christmas, we found it took
> a
> month of two stronger ones, and then within ten days infection blasted my
> body all over again. They are talking about putting me on iv antibiotics.
> This is why you need to get to a urologist (do you have to be referred
> under

====> Now this is what I found strange. Back in 2001 I was in the hospital
for 7 days on IV antibiotics for a Kidney infection I didn't even know I
had. I tought my back was hurting because three days before my back suddenly
had unbearable pain higher than my original injury I thought it was from
where my puppies had tripped me and I landed on my back. I went a month in
excruciating pain as I was waiting for my appt because the previous
internists saw me monthly. Anyway She asked why I waited so long as I had a
105 temp for two weeks and unbearable pain and I went to the hospital and
got admitted 8 hours later with Pylenophritis.

This time though I had a full day of bleeding and told the endo upon my
visit which was about two days later. She said I had it really bad and it
was very concentrated with infection and "junk" as the lab said. So I went
on two weeks of Bactrim. Then went in for speciman and the called and said
it was gone. Then two weeks later they wanted another speciman and said I
had it again so I did another two weeks of Bactrim and went back this past
week which was a week after my antibiotic was finished and now I am on a
once a day antibiotic of Levaquin. I thought sure with the bleeding and the
intense pain I would be in the hospital.

> your plans? Not under Medicare do you, I don't.). Because of the way all
> of
> my doctors work together, my endo gets involved with my utis, but only
> when
> I have an undiagnosed one when I am there for a regular visit; he almost
> hospitalized me from his office for one last summer, but would have
> referred
> me back to my pcp and urologist for the continuing care.

====> I have a PPO and my Medicare is A and B so I am good for that but I
do have a high deductible and all my medications just took a leap higher in
copay.

> Send me your email address and we can talk more. I can "do" IM, but do
> not
> particularly like it. I also have text messaging, and love to do that!
>
> Billie
> bh-wages at swbell dot net

Ok I will write to you. Sometimes it might take a day or two to answer
depending on how I am feeling that day I hope you don't mind.

Thanks for all your help and I am sorry to all who read and though I would
never shut up :-)

>
> "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> news:45a7f6d8$0$7654$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> : : Hi Billie,
> : Thank you for being so kind. It was the endo that found the infection a
> : month ago as two months before I thought I had one as I had the symptoms
> and
> : my pcp told me it wasn't not one but then a month later I went to the
> endo
> : for regular visit and she told me I did have one and gave me two weeks
> of
> : antibiotics. Then went for two more weeks or a month and then said I had
> : another one and this time yesterday when the endo's nurse called told me
> : they are diabetes related because my bg's have been very high and
> : uncontrolled for over a year now. Thanks for your information and I feel
> bad
> : for you to have to see so many doctors and that has to get very
> expensive
> : for you. I wish you all the very best. I am 56 btw and was never sick
> except
> : for horrendous migraines until the diabetes diagnosis in 1999 then
> : everything went to heck in a handbasket so to speak.
> :
> :
>
>

This is why it is confusing because it is the Endo who told me they are from
my diabetes.

"Loretta Eisenberg" <Ronetta@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12807-45A80CD9-208@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net...
> Diana, whatever is causing the utis, you have them. My endo would not
> treat that. Maybe you need a gynecologist or the primary care doctor.
>
> Loretta
>
> --
> In tribute to the United States of America and the State
> of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
> terrorism.
>

On 1/12/07 12:27 PM, in article 45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:

> I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>
> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>
> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now which
> way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
> primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>
> Thanks a million.
>
>
Hello, Diana. You haven't met me but, I have been a lurker for many years
and just recently came out of hiding. I think your endo and your doctor are
saying the same things in different ways. You go to see the endo about your
diabetes and you go to regular doctor for everything else. Just because
diabetes exacerbates certain conditions doesn't mean the endo looks after
it. It is out of his/her expertise. When I had those problems back in the
days before I was in good control my GP looked after my bladder infections
and everything else; my endo looked after my diabetes. Good luck in getting
everything under control. I know it is very depressing when things don't go
right but, remember your prayers will help keep you focused.

Martha T2 Canada

In article <45a8175a$0$9584$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, no@no.com says...
>
> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-88D94D.16135412012007@individual.net...
> > In article <45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
> >>
> >> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
> >> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
> >>
> >> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
> >> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
> >> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
> >> which
> >> way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
> >> primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
> >>
> >> Thanks a million.
> >
> > Sounds like you need to be clear with them about why you need to see the
> > MD. Don't mention the UTI until you're in there talking to the endo
> > about better control. Then you can mention it as an effect of your
> > being out of control.
> >
> > Priscilla
>
> Hi Pricilla,
> The endo and her nurse already know all this. It was them that found the
> infection to begin with when my PCP told me I did not have one. The endo's
> nurse practitioner is the one who said the high BG's are the cause of them
> being recurrent all the time.
>
> I feel like no physician wants to deal with me and I really don't know why
> because I do try hard.
>
> Thanks for your advice as it is good but I had already done that and right
> now the endo has me on Levaquin for the next ten days.
>
>
>
Diana

I really don't want to get into the complexity of your treatment because
I don't understand the US medical schemes beyond the pay-for sector. But
to me, much of what you have posted points to something being
drastically wrong somewhere.

Do you have any citizen advocacy services near to you? It really does
sound like you need a rip-it-up approach, and for someone with proper
knowledge to take the burden from you and arrange referrals to new
doctors. I think a fresh set of eyes is what's needed.

I do understand that the US public healthcare systems can be very hit or
miss, purely due to geography and complexity, so it may be time for that
approach to happen where you get a referral to a whole new set of
physicians who can basically tear up your notes and do a completely
fresh workup on your health.

As ever you are always in my thoughts.

Ratty

"GrandpaChuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4ME.org> wrote in message
news:c84gq2tqco07uokv80df6gf1gjqnfg7lio@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:27:54 -0500, "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>>
>>I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>>recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>>
>>I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>>recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
>>care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
>>which
>>way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
>>primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>>
>>Thanks a million.
>>
>
>
> CRAP!
>
> I guess what you have to do is go to your primary care. When and if
> they say they can't treat you because it is caused by your diabetes
> then I guess you need to get a recommendation in writing from them to
> your endo.
>
> It sounds as if they are trying to pass the buck off to the other one
> in the belief that your diabetes being out of control is your fault.
> Even if that were true they owe it to you to work with you get back in
> control, regardless of what that involves.
>
> Good luck Kid. Let us know what you find out.
>
> Remember God loves you and so do Laurie and I.
> --
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
>
> Americans killed in Iraq as of January 9, 2007 is 3019. United Kingdom =
> 128 Other = 123.
> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called
> insurgents.
> As of January 12, 2007 it has been 1350 days since Bush while standing in
> front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
> "In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
> IOW "Mission Accomplished."
>
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and
> carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
>

My thoughts exactly. When I was crying over this mess today I talked to
myself but don't tell anyone LOL but I said those same words to myself. They
are trying to pass the buck. That is why I feel neither of them want to care
for me. We have crummy doctors in my area. Really crummy.

I am glad that God loves me and you and Laurie too. That is what helps me
through the bad times is knowing there are others like you and Laurie out
there and most here in ASD too. God doesn't send others in our life for no
reason. He knows I need alot of love :-)

I didn't get Kate's post so sorry for piggybacking on you Billie

Thank you Kate. I don't know why when the Endo's office is the one who said
it was my high BG's causing the infections.

My PCP is the one who told me he could not treat my diabetes any longer. So
shouldn't the Endo be concentrating on doing something to get the bg's down?
I am trying even though some here do not believe me I am doing all I can to
help myself.
"Billie" <mynewsaccount@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:QHTph.26662$QU1.19307@newssvr22.news.prodigy. net...
> Kate, it depends on what the utis are from. They *may* not be diabetes
> related at all. That is why she needs to see a urologist, and find the
> root
> of the problem. My bg levels have no effect on my uti infections. Three
> consecutive 6.x a1c reports did nothing to squelch the infections.
> Getting
> rid of the infections might make it one step easier to getting the bg
> levels
> down, though.
>
> Billie
>
>
> "TigerLily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:50qcrjF1h926iU1@mid.individual.net...
> : your primary should be treating the kidney
> : infection
> :
> : of course, you have to get your bg levels DOWN to
> : get rid of the kidney infection
> :
> : kate
> : --
> : Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet
> : /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk
> : More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/
> : http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm
> : I have no medical qualifications beyond my own
> : experience.
> : Choose your advisers carefully, because experience
> : can be
> : an expensive teacher.
> :
> : "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> : news:45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> : > I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
> : >
> : > I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she
> : said that people with
> : > recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go
> : to the primary care.
> : >
> : > I am confused because she flat out told me that
> : I am getting them on a
> : > recurring basis because of my diabetes being
> : uncontrolled and the primary
> : > care is the one who said he would not treat my
> : diabetes anymore so now which
> : > way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would
> : I be told to go to the
> : > primary care? How do I know who to go see and
> : for what now?
> : >
> : > Thanks a million.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Thanks Julie. Now they suspected me of slow stomach emptying too that is why
they took me off the Symlin but was willing to treat that. Odd how docs are
so different.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:x1Uph.464$tZ.93@trndny05...
>
> "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote in message
> news:45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>>
>> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>>
>> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
>> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
>> which way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to
>> the primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>>
>> Thanks a million.
>
> My Endo. sees me only for diabetes and thyroid followup type things. Even
> when he suspected delayed stomach emptying, most likely from diabetes, he
> referred me back to my GP.
>

Diana wrote:
> I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>
> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>
> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now which
> way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
> primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>
> Thanks a million.

Well, if I had something that was a complication of diabetes, I would
expect:

1. I'd probably be sent to the doc best suited to take care of the
complication, most likely not the endo.

and

2. Me and the endo would get more concentrated on good control.

Maybe your endo can recommend a urologist for #1. Or maybe you need to
see your PCP to get such a referral. #1 has more immediate priority
than #2.

I man, my endo pretty much is my PCP but he doesn't do dilated eye
exams on me. He doesn't do my dentistry. He didn't do my vasectomy. But
he did help me or encourage me to find the doctors who do all the other
stuff. He does help me with blood pressure and cholesterol and thyroid
issues, but those are very closely related to my diabetes. He does poke
and prod me in general, but if something came up he'd send me to the
right place. I think that your endo is following the same general
theme. Maybe you can ask for a referral to a urologist?

Tim.

"MI" <quilchenapark@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:C1CD5C90.A570%quilchenapark@shaw.ca...
>
>
>
> On 1/12/07 12:27 PM, in article 45a7ef60$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
> "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>> I am sorry to be a pain again :-(
>>
>> I had a voice mail from my endo's office and she said that people with
>> recurrent UTI 's or Kidney infections should go to the primary care.
>>
>> I am confused because she flat out told me that I am getting them on a
>> recurring basis because of my diabetes being uncontrolled and the primary
>> care is the one who said he would not treat my diabetes anymore so now
>> which
>> way do I go? If it is diabetes related why would I be told to go to the
>> primary care? How do I know who to go see and for what now?
>>
>> Thanks a million.
>>
>>
> Hello, Diana. You haven't met me but, I have been a lurker for many years
> and just recently came out of hiding. I think your endo and your doctor
> are
> saying the same things in different ways. You go to see the endo about
> your
> diabetes and you go to regular doctor for everything else. Just because
> diabetes exacerbates certain conditions doesn't mean the endo looks after
> it. It is out of his/her expertise. When I had those problems back in the
> days before I was in good control my GP looked after my bladder infections
> and everything else; my endo looked after my diabetes. Good luck in
> getting
> everything under control. I know it is very depressing when things don't
> go
> right but, remember your prayers will help keep you focused.
>
> Martha T2 Canada
>

Hi Martha !!! It is very nice to meet you here. I am sorry you have diabetes
but it is always nice to meet new friends.

Thank you for a wonderful explanation. I think now I can not be so confused.
I have Panic/Anxiety and when I heard that phone message from the Endo gosh
did my Anxiety hit high :-) Thanks for helping me understand. I will know
from now on.

Again, we have similar problems. I'm in a *better* spell right now,
these hours, but it does not mean tomorrow will be the same. You'll be
okay. *s*

Big hugs
Billie


"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote
:
: Ok I will write to you. Sometimes it might take a day or two to answer
depending on how I am feeling that day I hope you don't mind.

Diana, my pcp is an internist, too, and but directs me to all specialists as
soon as he feels I am beyond his expertise. All of my specialists report to
him. My appointment with him lasted 45 minutes last week. It was good, and
very detailed. You