Question about carbs.

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-304DB8.11292519052008@individual.net...
> In article <gi4134pt7ae2qavbt8gm8buhdhe207lruk@4ax.com>,
> -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think a URL will give you better information than your doctor
>> on how to treat your diabetes.
>
> Depends on the URL and the doctor.
>
> For a URL, try: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
> Q: What do you call the person who finishes last in their class at med
> school and makes no effort to keep up on current research? A: Doctor.
>
> Instead of blindly following people who have no vested interest in your
> keeping your feet or kidneys or eyesight, why not get yourself educated.
> Alan's webpages could be a good place to start.
>
> Priscilla, T2

Q: What did my university call people with a PhD, and not even trying for
an MD? A: Doctor.

Julie Bove wrote:
> Now I don't know if this is true or not. But the nurse I spoke with on the
> phone (not the one I had hoped to get but the other one) told me that 2
> servings of carb will raise BG 100 points. If this *is* true, then how can
> they possibly expect your BG to drop back down to what they want it to?

There is NO formula that reliably predicts BG based on carb consumption
alone for all people. Any such formula fails to consider other factors,
such as insulin resistance; accompanying fat, protein, fiber; body
weight; percent body fat; amount of natural insulin; etc.

That said, Bernstein does offer a chart for approximating BG rise
as a function of body weight and amount of carb. But that's for
T1s, and even there it's an approximation.

--
Wes Groleau

"In the field of language teaching, Method A is the logical
contradiction of Method B: if the assumptions from which
A claims to be derived are correct, then B cannot work,
and vice versa. Yet one colleague is getting excellent
results with A and another is getting comparable results
with B. How is this possible?"
-- Earl W. Stevick

In article <7jmYj.45218$7a.25295@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-304DB8.11292519052008@individual.net...
> > In article <gi4134pt7ae2qavbt8gm8buhdhe207lruk@4ax.com>,
> > -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think a URL will give you better information than your doctor
> >> on how to treat your diabetes.
> >
> > Depends on the URL and the doctor.
> >
> > For a URL, try: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
> >
> > Q: What do you call the person who finishes last in their class at med
> > school and makes no effort to keep up on current research? A: Doctor.
> >
> > Instead of blindly following people who have no vested interest in your
> > keeping your feet or kidneys or eyesight, why not get yourself educated.
> > Alan's webpages could be a good place to start.
> >
> > Priscilla, T2
>
> Q: What did my university call people with a PhD, and not even trying for
> an MD? A: Doctor.

I grew up in academia, and we never called PhDs "doctor." That was
reserved for medical folks. After all, didn't everyone have a PhD? ;-)

Priscilla, former faculty brat

On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:02:04 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>
>At 180 one would have some kind of glucose regulatory problem. The pancreas
>is not designed to work that way. When a small rise is observed insulin is
>released to counteract it. This happens in the first few minutes of eating,
>called the phase I insulin response. Normies (i.e. those who don't have a
>glucose problem) just would not go that high. Try testing some family
>members after huge carb meals. My kids bg's barely move even after 200 gr
>carb in one meal (not uncommon in kids). Either the pancreas does its job or
>it doesn't.

Ozgirl, If 180 mg/dL is too high, then what is an acceptable number?
And what is the basis of this number or numbers - is this based on
normal people?


-=Andy=-

"-=Andy=-" <Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote in message
news:h2a434ta98v83mnegipbpo7b3uh12iv5oj@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:02:04 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>At 180 one would have some kind of glucose regulatory problem. The
>>pancreas
>>is not designed to work that way. When a small rise is observed insulin is
>>released to counteract it. This happens in the first few minutes of
>>eating,
>>called the phase I insulin response. Normies (i.e. those who don't have a
>>glucose problem) just would not go that high. Try testing some family
>>members after huge carb meals. My kids bg's barely move even after 200 gr
>>carb in one meal (not uncommon in kids). Either the pancreas does its job
>>or
>>it doesn't.
>
> Ozgirl, If 180 mg/dL is too high, then what is an acceptable number?
> And what is the basis of this number or numbers - is this based on
> normal people?
>
>
> -=Andy=-

We strive for numbers of 140 or less one hour after eating.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

-=Andy=- wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:02:04 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> At 180 one would have some kind of glucose regulatory problem. The
>> pancreas is not designed to work that way. When a small rise is
>> observed insulin is released to counteract it. This happens in the
>> first few minutes of eating, called the phase I insulin response.
>> Normies (i.e. those who don't have a glucose problem) just would not
>> go that high. Try testing some family members after huge carb meals.
>> My kids bg's barely move even after 200 gr carb in one meal (not
>> uncommon in kids). Either the pancreas does its job or it doesn't.
>
> Ozgirl, If 180 mg/dL is too high, then what is an acceptable number?
> And what is the basis of this number or numbers - is this based on
> normal people?


Normal non diabetic numbers are the ones to aim for. Don't accept being told
that under 180 is good. There is a long way between normal and 180 and you
really don't want to be much higher than where the normies spend most of the
time.

On Mon, 19 May 2008 11:34:12 -0600, Tiger_Lily posted:

>-=Andy=- wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 11:33:55 +1000, Alan S
>> <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> True. I keep doing the same thing - arguing with closed
>>> minds - and expecting a different result.
>>>
>>
>> Except you were not arguing and you were not trying to convince. You
>> were a self-serving pompous ass.
>>
>>
>> -=Andy=-
>
>gee -=Andy=- looks like you are talking about yourself again
>
>you have come here and argued with every bit of information people have
>shared with you, why are you still here if you don't like what you hear?

Simple answer is that he is trolling. Don't feed him.

--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:58:18 -0700, Michelle C posted:

>
>"-=Andy=-" <Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote in message
>news:h2a434ta98v83mnegipbpo7b3uh12iv5oj@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:02:04 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>At 180 one would have some kind of glucose regulatory problem. The
>>>pancreas
>>>is not designed to work that way. When a small rise is observed insulin is
>>>released to counteract it. This happens in the first few minutes of
>>>eating,
>>>called the phase I insulin response. Normies (i.e. those who don't have a
>>>glucose problem) just would not go that high. Try testing some family
>>>members after huge carb meals. My kids bg's barely move even after 200 gr
>>>carb in one meal (not uncommon in kids). Either the pancreas does its job
>>>or
>>>it doesn't.
>>
>> Ozgirl, If 180 mg/dL is too high, then what is an acceptable number?
>> And what is the basis of this number or numbers - is this based on
>> normal people?
>>
>>
>> -=Andy=-
>
>We strive for numbers of 140 or less one hour after eating.

I know the -=Andy=-/Kurt troll isn't interested in evidence, but just
in case he is;

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php

Research Connecting Organ Damage with Blood Sugar Level.

--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:50:12 GMT, -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com>
wrote:

>I have no doubt there are disagreements at what level one is a
>diabetic etc., but the point I was making is that there is
>variability in blood sugar levels, that this variability is normal
>and that it needs to be taken into account, otherwise our BG tests are
>meaningless.

Andy, do us a favour and go away and do some reading. Richard
Bernstein's latest book is the place you want to start. He's an
emeritus member of the AACE, so hits all the credential buttons; in
addition, he's a T1 himself who retrained as a medic in his mid-40s to
concentrate on diabetes. He absolutely knows what he's talking about -
and according to him, you are dead wrong.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:45:56 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 May 2008 02:04:31 GMT, -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 19 May 2008 11:33:55 +1000, Alan S
>><loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>True. I keep doing the same thing - arguing with closed
>>>minds - and expecting a different result.
>>>
>>
>>Except you were not arguing and you were not trying to convince. You
>>were a self-serving pompous ass.
>
>Hello K*rt

Would explain stuff. Can't be Tom, =Andy= can spell.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Mon, 19 May 2008 09:01:24 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>He didn't comment on the implications of that increase. He
>did pontificate on the fact that such a diet may lead to
>diabetes because it would make you fat. *sigh*

Well, it will - that's exactly what all that insulin will do

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:10:24 +0100, Nicky
<ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:45:56 +0100, Trinkwasser
><spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 19 May 2008 02:04:31 GMT, -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 19 May 2008 11:33:55 +1000, Alan S
>>><loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>True. I keep doing the same thing - arguing with closed
>>>>minds - and expecting a different result.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Except you were not arguing and you were not trying to convince. You
>>>were a self-serving pompous ass.
>>
>>Hello K*rt
>
>Would explain stuff. Can't be Tom, =Andy= can spell.
>
>Nicky.
>T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

And uses caps...although he does use caps and spell in the
"other place" (which has a spell-checker I always forget to
use:-).


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:05:52 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
wrote:
>
>Andy, do us a favour and go away and do some reading.

Another pompous ass who thinks - hey, it just occured to him - or
rather his little brain just grasped that he has some knowledge about
diabetes and he is doing me a great favor by replying to my post!

But first, do you a favor and go away you retard?

>
> Richard
>Bernstein's latest book is the place you want to start. He's an
>emeritus member of the AACE, so hits all the credential buttons; in

No, no.., no.., no.....!

Your introductory sentence invalidates your advice - in fact you can
take your advice and shove it. I do not need you or your advice you
pompous ass!


>addition, he's a T1 himself who retrained as a medic in his mid-40s to
>concentrate on diabetes. He absolutely knows what he's talking about -
>and according to him, you are dead wrong.
>
>Nicky.
>T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

You know, if you are unwilling to share your knowledge in a civil
maner, then why - please tell us why - do you post your diabetes
statistics in here? What is the purpose of this idiocy? To draw more
attention to yourself? Or that you are an idiot? Incapable of
communicating and reaching out to people in a diabetes forum of all
places!

Please put me in your killfile - do not reply to my posts - I do not
need advice from idiots.


-=Andy=-

On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:23:58 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>Normal non diabetic numbers are the ones to aim for. Don't accept being told
>that under 180 is good. There is a long way between normal and 180 and you
>really don't want to be much higher than where the normies spend most of the
>time.

I am new to diabetes and at this point I am reading about it as much
as I can. I am not on medication but at the same time I am not
testing for spikes - my numbers, at least the way I test seem ok -
around 100 mg/dL before meals. On this particular point of view of
diabetes, the one you are advocating, I will follow up and learn more
about it - Let me just say that I have an open mind.

On a personal note Ozgirl, thank you for your replies to my posts -
You have given me a lot to think about.


-=Andy=-

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > That doesn't work for me at all. Whole wheat spikes me and white flour
> > does not. Brown rice spikes. White rice does not. Potatoes do not.
>
> Julie, surely you have noticed by now that your body's response to many
> things is idiosyncratic and not generalizable to most diabetic?

Nonethless, Julie makes an important contribution to the group's
understanding of the wide range of different reactions we all have to this
disease, especially when coupled with other physical ailments. While many
of the comments may not improve her situation, I think that knowing we care
and support her is helpful to her. At least, I hope so.

Priscilla, surely you have noticed by now that my meal choices are often
idiotic and not generalizable to most diabetic? I post them anyhow, so
others can see how my choices effect me! That, and the resulting comments,
act as a deterrant, especially for newbies. I sometimes post my successes,
but not as often.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
> -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote:
>
> > Don't worry about the spike. The Oral Glucose Tolerance Test
> > requires your blood glucose reading to exceed 200 mg/dL before you are
> > diagnosed as a diabetic. And this, two hours after you ingest the
> > high-glucose solution.
>
> Yeah, if you're not up to 200, just keep on as you're doing and you'll
> pass it in a year or two.
>
> What idiocy!

My Diabetician has advised me to never take a GTT!

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

-=Andy=- <Sorry@noaddress.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:05:52 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>Andy, do us a favour and go away and do some reading.

[suggests Bernstein, giving good reasons for the suggestion.]

> Another pompous ass who thinks - hey, it just occured to him - or
> rather his little brain just grasped that he has some knowledge about
> diabetes and he is doing me a great favor by replying to my post!

No wonder you're so ignorant if you think intelligent well-educated
people who suggest useful homework to you are pompous asses.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:29:38 GMT, -=Andy=-
<Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote:

>I am new to diabetes and at this point I am reading about it as much
>as I can. I am not on medication but at the same time I am not
>testing for spikes - my numbers, at least the way I test seem ok -
>around 100 mg/dL before meals. On this particular point of view of
>diabetes, the one you are advocating, I will follow up and learn more
>about it - Let me just say that I have an open mind.

On that basis, I'm prepared to hold out the olive branch if
you are.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:01:44 GMT, -=Andy=-
<Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:05:52 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>Andy, do us a favour and go away and do some reading.
>
>Another pompous ass who thinks - hey, it just occured to him - or
>rather his little brain just grasped that he has some knowledge about
>diabetes and he is doing me a great favor by replying to my post!
>
>But first, do you a favor and go away you retard?
>
>>
>> Richard
>>Bernstein's latest book is the place you want to start. He's an
>>emeritus member of the AACE, so hits all the credential buttons; in
>
>No, no.., no.., no.....!
>
>Your introductory sentence invalidates your advice - in fact you can
>take your advice and shove it. I do not need you or your advice you
>pompous ass!
>
>
>>addition, he's a T1 himself who retrained as a medic in his mid-40s to
>>concentrate on diabetes. He absolutely knows what he's talking about -
>>and according to him, you are dead wrong.
>>
>>Nicky.
>>T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>>Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>
>You know, if you are unwilling to share your knowledge in a civil
>maner, then why - please tell us why - do you post your diabetes
>statistics in here? What is the purpose of this idiocy? To draw more
>attention to yourself? Or that you are an idiot? Incapable of
>communicating and reaching out to people in a diabetes forum of all
>places!
>
>Please put me in your killfile - do not reply to my posts - I do not
>need advice from idiots.
>
>
>-=Andy=-

I sincerely hope that you wrote this before the one where
you claimed an open mind and I extended the olive branch.

If not, disregard that post.

Comments like that to Nicky, who knows more about this
condition than you will ever learn, are beyond the pale.

But stick around. We need a counterfoil at times. Like a
comedian needs a straight man. It can get a bit incestuous
when we all start agreeing with each other...even if we're
correct:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:01:44 GMT, -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com>
wrote:

>You know, if you are unwilling to share your knowledge in a civil
>maner, then why - please tell us why - do you post your diabetes
>statistics in here? What is the purpose of this idiocy? To draw more
>attention to yourself? Or that you are an idiot? Incapable of
>communicating and reaching out to people in a diabetes forum of all
>places!

First you admit you are new and clueless, then you insult one of the
most knowledgeable people here. Who's the idiotic, pompous ass now?

>Please put me in your killfile - do not reply to my posts - I do not
>need advice from idiots.

Unfortunately, you are well on your way to that accomplishment. The
possibility that you will be successful in achieving control seems
less and less likely, if this is the way you will be going about it.

I wish you luck -- but the pessimist in me is taking over.

-=Andy=- wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:05:52 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
> wrote:
>> Andy, do us a favour and go away and do some reading.
>
> Another pompous ass who thinks - hey, it just occured to him - or
> rather his little brain just grasped that he has some knowledge about
> diabetes and he is doing me a great favor by replying to my post!
>
> But first, do you a favor and go away you retard?
>
>> Richard
>> Bernstein's latest book is the place you want to start. He's an
>> emeritus member of the AACE, so hits all the credential buttons; in
>
> No, no.., no.., no.....!
>
> Your introductory sentence invalidates your advice - in fact you can
> take your advice and shove it. I do not need you or your advice you
> pompous ass!
>
>
>> addition, he's a T1 himself who retrained as a medic in his mid-40s to
>> concentrate on diabetes. He absolutely knows what he's talking about -
>> and according to him, you are dead wrong.
>>
>> Nicky.
>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>
> You know, if you are unwilling to share your knowledge in a civil
> maner, then why - please tell us why - do you post your diabetes
> statistics in here? What is the purpose of this idiocy? To draw more
> attention to yourself? Or that you are an idiot? Incapable of
> communicating and reaching out to people in a diabetes forum of all
> places!
>
> Please put me in your killfile - do not reply to my posts - I do not
> need advice from idiots.
>
>
> -=Andy=-
>
and on that note

PLONK!
cya Kurt

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

In article <69g9b9F32mpm0U2@mid.individual.net>,
Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> PLONK!
> cya Kurt

Ah! Much becomes clear.

Priscilla

Oleg Lego wrote in message ...

>I know the -=Andy=-/Kurt troll isn't interested in evidence, but just
>in case he is;


Nah, it's not Kurt.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
> Oleg Lego wrote in message ...
>
>> I know the -=Andy=-/Kurt troll isn't interested in evidence, but just
>> in case he is;
>
>
> Nah, it's not Kurt.
>
> Cheri
>
>
it's the pompous asshole comment that makes me think it's Kurt


--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:04:18 -0600, Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>Cheri wrote:
>> Oleg Lego wrote in message ...
>>
>>> I know the -=Andy=-/Kurt troll isn't interested in evidence, but just
>>> in case he is;
>>
>>
>> Nah, it's not Kurt.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>it's the pompous asshole comment that makes me think it's Kurt

Yeah, but the rest of the tag team hasn't arrived -- yet. Egads, I
hope I didn't wake them up.

BlueBrooke wrote in message
<2v463458mjclh96p9b6fnbr89253nqkq5b@4ax.com>...
>On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:04:18 -0600, Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
>
>>Cheri wrote:
>>> Oleg Lego wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>> I know the -=Andy=-/Kurt troll isn't interested in evidence, but
just
>>>> in case he is;
>>>
>>>
>>> Nah, it's not Kurt.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>it's the pompous asshole comment that makes me think it's Kurt
>
>Yeah, but the rest of the tag team hasn't arrived -- yet. Egads, I
>hope I didn't wake them up.

They might come, but Andy still isn't Kurt. :-)

Cheri

Andy,

You just alienated one of the most knowledgeable people on ASD. If you'd
listen to her, she could be of real help in sorting things out for you.
What is your objective?
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5


"-=Andy=-" <Sorry@Noaddress.Com> wrote in message
newsg7534d3p7eum9jq1vb7mhhcppo360of61@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:05:52 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>Andy, do us a favour and go away and do some reading.
>
> Another pompous ass who thinks - hey, it just occured to him - or
> rather his little brain just grasped that he has some knowledge about
> diabetes and he is doing me a great favor by replying to my post!
>
> But first, do you a favor and go away you retard?
>
>>
>> Richard
>>Bernstein's latest book is the place you want to start. He's an
>>emeritus member of the AACE, so hits all the credential buttons; in
>
> No, no.., no.., no.....!
>
> Your introductory sentence invalidates your advice - in fact you can
> take your advice and shove it. I do not need you or your advice you
> pompous ass!
>
>
>>addition, he's a T1 himself who retrained as a medic in his mid-40s to
>>concentrate on diabetes. He absolutely knows what he's talking about -
>>and according to him, you are dead wrong.
>>
>>Nicky.
>>T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>>Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>
> You know, if you are unwilling to share your knowledge in a civil
> maner, then why - please tell us why - do you post your diabetes
> statistics in here? What is the purpose of this idiocy? To draw more
> attention to yourself? Or that you are an idiot? Incapable of
> communicating and reaching out to people in a diabetes forum of all
> places!
>
> Please put me in your killfile - do not reply to my posts - I do not
> need advice from idiots.
>
>
> -=Andy=-
>

Cheri wrote:
> BlueBrooke wrote in message
> <2v463458mjclh96p9b6fnbr89253nqkq5b@4ax.com>...
>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:04:18 -0600, Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> Oleg Lego wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>> I know the -=Andy=-/Kurt troll isn't interested in evidence, but
> just
>>>>> in case he is;
>>>>
>>>> Nah, it's not Kurt.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>> it's the pompous asshole comment that makes me think it's Kurt
>> Yeah, but the rest of the tag team hasn't arrived -- yet. Egads, I
>> hope I didn't wake them up.
>
> They might come, but Andy still isn't Kurt. :-)
>
> Cheri
>
>
i trust you Cheri, thanks

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"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-3FFD43.12475620052008@individual.net...
> In article <69g9b9F32mpm0U2@mid.individual.net>,
> Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> PLONK!
>> cya Kurt
>
> Ah! Much becomes clear.

I don't believe he is Kurt.

Nicky wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:45:56 +0100, Trinkwasser
>> Hello K*rt
>
> Would explain stuff. Can't be Tom, =Andy= can spell.

Andy also made the killfile much faster than Kurt,
by coming here pretending to have a question about
Stevia then quickly demonstrating he had already
chiseled the answer in stone.

Kurt never did that. He never promoted stevia,
and he never pretended to ask about the ADA before
attacking those who questioned it.

--
Wes Groleau

I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with
the release of MS-DOS.
-- Larry DeLuca

BlueBrooke <me@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:01:44 GMT, -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com>
[]
> >Please put me in your killfile - do not reply to my posts - I do not
> >need advice from idiots.
>
> Unfortunately, you are well on your way to that accomplishment. The
> possibility that you will be successful in achieving control seems
> less and less likely, if this is the way you will be going about it.
>
> I wish you luck -- but the pessimist in me is taking over.

I've kf's him in every group where I've run across him.
I don't miss his drivel.

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On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:01:44 GMT, -=Andy=- <Sorry@Noaddress.Com>
wrote:

>Please put me in your killfile - do not reply to my posts - I do not
>need advice from idiots.

Done - learn fast...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Tiger_Lily wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>> BlueBrooke wrote in message
>> <2v463458mjclh96p9b6fnbr89253nqkq5b@4ax.com>...
>>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:04:18 -0600, Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>> Oleg Lego wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know the -=Andy=-/Kurt troll isn't interested in evidence, but
>>>>>> just in case he is;
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, it's not Kurt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it's the pompous asshole comment that makes me think it's Kurt
>>> Yeah, but the rest of the tag team hasn't arrived -- yet. Egads, I
>>> hope I didn't wake them up.
>>
>> They might come, but Andy still isn't Kurt. :-)
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
> i trust you Cheri, thanks

Yeah, it is not Kurt. Kurt knows the importance of keeping low bg's and he
doesn't usually lose control in a discussion. He also wouldn't have blind
faith in the medical profession even though he trusts the doctors he does
have.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> convicted friend Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> convicted neighbor Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> convicted neighbor "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> But how could ADDING insulin cause my BG to go so much higher?
>>> Read today's blog by Jenny. I think you'll find it rather
>>> interesting.
>>> When Going Low Makes You Go High: Mysteries of
>>> Counterregulation
>>> http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/2...u-go-high.html
>> She calls it counter-regulation, and says that most doctors are not
>> familiar with it. In fact that kind of paradoxical result, the
>> opposite of what you expect, is one of the well known clues that
>> you're interfering with a control system. Doctors know very well that
>> blood sugar and imnsuln are part of a biological control system. What
>> is more, what distinguishes living systems from inanimate ones more
>> than anything else is the plethora of complex control systems
>> involved.
>>
>> The fact that dcotors are taught almost nothing about the behaviour of
>> control systems is IMHO a scandalous deficiency in medical education.
>
> It is a scandalous deficiency in undergraduate education in applied
> science.
>
> Control system theory would not have to be taught in medical school if
> medical students have learned it already in college from applied
> science (engineering) classes that should be required of all college
> students after they have been taught the basic sciences.

What I find even more scandalous is the way ignorant people, never
having been to med school, jump to ridiculous assumptions about what's
going on there! Long after I got out of college, I bought a book on
control systems, and found it trivial and useless in understanding
biological processes. I learned about positive and negative feedback in
the sixth grade, and run into such concepts in almost everything I read.

A doctor friend of mine (who got his Ph.D. in electronics engineering
before going into medicine), when I showed him a copy of Albert
Sanderson's patent on active filter circuits, couldn't believe his eyes.
He insisted the idea had been around so long, it was *impossible*
Sanderson could have patented it sometime in the 1970's!

(Pat. No. available on request.)

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