Questions about Novolog

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:nusc3418om0m2kd4ici57qvtfclf7kvrna@4ax.com...
>
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:02 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me not
>>> to
>>> shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the alcohol swab
>>> first,
>>> that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see that!
>>>
>> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
>> people being told to swab fingers before testing.
>>
>
> The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to use
> it on the rubber stopper on the pen. I don't use it on my fingers.
>
>
Yea, and that benefits the people who sell it, not you
Alcohol is BAD for rubber, and, why are you changing needles? a needle
lasts me about two weeks, then it bends. Bend once, and it needs replacing

Julie Bove wrote:
> "RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nusc3418om0m2kd4ici57qvtfclf7kvrna@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:02 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me
>>>>> not to
>>>>> shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the alcohol swab
>>>>> first,
>>>>> that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see
>>>>> that!
>>>>>
>>>> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
>>>> people being told to swab fingers before testing.
>>>>
>>> The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to
>>> use it on the rubber stopper on the pen. I don't use it on my fingers.
>>>
>> 2 months in hospital 2 injections a day they NEVER used a swab for my
>> insulin when I asked about it I was told that it toughens up the skin
>> which is why they avoid using it.
>>
>
> But you still have to use it on the pen.
>
NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!
>
>

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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> Nicky wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:02 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me
>>> not to shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the
>>> alcohol swab first, that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and
>>> nobody wants to see that!
>>
>> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
>> people being told to swab fingers before testing.
>
> I was told by the diabetic educator not to swab for injections or testing.

I was told TO do it for the injection. Not testing.

"ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
news:g169ga$htv$1@aioe.org...

> Yea, and that benefits the people who sell it, not you
> Alcohol is BAD for rubber, and, why are you changing needles? a needle
> lasts me about two weeks, then it bends. Bend once, and it needs
> replacing

The nurse said to change them and the prescribing information said to change
them. I didn't change them twice. First time no problem. Second time BIG
problem. I do think I bent the needle though.

"ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
news:g169ic$htv$2@aioe.org...

>>
> NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!

The prescribing information for both pens says to use it on the rubber
stopper.

ted rosenberg wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> Okay, so... This is what I've been prescribed now. I am to cut back
>> on the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal,
>> assuming my BG is in range. Range being 90-130. If it is above that,
>> I am to use an additional unit for every point. Oh great! Math was
>> never my strong point.
>>
> NO WAY - should be no more than 1 unit for every 4 points, unless you
> have a record to what will not make you hypo
>> It says to inject it 5 to 10 minutes prior to eating. That's easy
>> enough to do at home. But what do I do when I am at a restaurant?
>> How will I know when to inject it? I've heard/read that you just
>> inject and if the food doesn't come in time to eat a roll. That won't
>> work for me because of the food allergies. I can't eat most rolls.
>> No problem at a Mexican restaurant because there will be chips. No
>> problem except that I have to deduct the carbs in those chips from my
>> meal.
>>
>
> BFD, if you don't eat in an hour to an hour and a half, eat
> something. I haven't re-read the insert recently, but the info I have
> says "15 mins to an hour before eating"
>> Next thing I don't know. What do I do with the insulin if I am out?
>> Just put it in my purse? That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%.
>> It doesn't usually get that hot here, but I am thinking of a trip to
>> the zoo last year where it was miserably hot. What do I do then? Can
>> I get one of those Frio thingies and leave it in the hot car? Do I
>> have to carry it around with me? And what about the needles? Here, I
>> have to dispose of them in a specified sharps container. I have one
>> at my house and so does my dad. But I don't think I've seen any when
>> we've been out. They did have them in some public restrooms in
>> Oakland when we lived in CA. The nurse said something about capping
>> them and sticking them back in my purse until I got home, but that
>> doesn't sound like a really good idea.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
> well, one thing to do is to use the smallest pen available. Then don't
> worry about the heat, just subtract extra days from the life.
>
> You can either mainly keep it in an air conditioned area, or use a
> small lunch cold pack
>
> The Frio is for long journey's. I have a whole bunch of Blue Ice in my
> freezer, When I was going to have to expose my Insulin to heat for any
> length of time, I took a bunch of it out and wrapped the insulin in it.
> zIt would stay cold for at least 24 hours
>
> As to using thee pen. I quietly use it in public and only ONCE has any
> one noticed that didn't already know I was going to shoot up
>
> I do shoot right through my shirt, and that means I sometimes get a
> small blood stain on my shirt. If I check shortly after, I can remove
> it with a napkin and cold water.
the frio is just so much easier to tend to than the blue ice is
and you don't have to have a styrofoam pack to hold the insulin in

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

Julie Bove wrote:
> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:g15gu3$tnc$1@aioe.org...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Okay, so... This is what I've been prescribed now. I am to cut back on
>>> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
>>> my BG is in range. Range being 90-130. If it is above that, I am to use
>>> an additional unit for every point. Oh great! Math was never my strong
>>> point.
>>>
>> NO WAY - should be no more than 1 unit for every 4 points, unless you have
>> a record to what will not make you hypo
>
> Yes. That was a typo. 1 unit for every 30 points.
>
>>> It says to inject it 5 to 10 minutes prior to eating. That's easy enough
>>> to do at home. But what do I do when I am at a restaurant? How will I
>>> know when to inject it? I've heard/read that you just inject and if the
>>> food doesn't come in time to eat a roll. That won't work for me because
>>> of the food allergies. I can't eat most rolls. No problem at a Mexican
>>> restaurant because there will be chips. No problem except that I have to
>>> deduct the carbs in those chips from my meal.
>>>
>> BFD, if you don't eat in an hour to an hour and a half, eat something.
>> I haven't re-read the insert recently, but the info I have says "15 mins
>> to an hour before eating"
>
> Mine says eat within 5 to 10 minutes of injecting.
>
>>> Next thing I don't know. What do I do with the insulin if I am out?
>>> Just put it in my purse? That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%. It
>>> doesn't usually get that hot here, but I am thinking of a trip to the zoo
>>> last year where it was miserably hot. What do I do then? Can I get one
>>> of those Frio thingies and leave it in the hot car? Do I have to carry
>>> it around with me? And what about the needles? Here, I have to dispose
>>> of them in a specified sharps container. I have one at my house and so
>>> does my dad. But I don't think I've seen any when we've been out. They
>>> did have them in some public restrooms in Oakland when we lived in CA.
>>> The nurse said something about capping them and sticking them back in my
>>> purse until I got home, but that doesn't sound like a really good idea.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>> well, one thing to do is to use the smallest pen available. Then don't
>> worry about the heat, just subtract extra days from the life.
>
> I think it only comes in one size.
>> You can either mainly keep it in an air conditioned area, or use a small
>> lunch cold pack
>
> Air conditioning is not common ohere.
>> The Frio is for long journey's. I have a whole bunch of Blue Ice in my
>> freezer, When I was going to have to expose my Insulin to heat for any
>> length of time, I took a bunch of it out and wrapped the insulin in it.
>> zIt would stay cold for at least 24 hours
>
> Oh, okay.
>> As to using thee pen. I quietly use it in public and only ONCE has any one
>> noticed that didn't already know I was going to shoot up
>>
>> I do shoot right through my shirt, and that means I sometimes get a small
>> blood stain on my shirt. If I check shortly after, I can remove it with a
>> napkin and cold water.
>
> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me not to
> shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the alcohol swab first,
> that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see that!
>
> Thanks!
>
>
Julie i NEVER use an alcohol swab in the skin that i'm going to inject
into............ it does NOTHING to clean the skin, and it does cause
the skin to toughen

i forget, but it was something like a 15 min bath in alcohol was
necessary to kill any surface bacteria/bugs/germs/strep/blah blah blah

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:nusc3418om0m2kd4ici57qvtfclf7kvrna@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:02 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me not
>>> to
>>> shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the alcohol swab
>>> first,
>>> that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see that!
>> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
>> people being told to swab fingers before testing.
>
> The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to use
> it on the rubber stopper on the pen. I don't use it on my fingers.
>
>
nah, again it does nothing to sterilize the rubber stopper on the
cartridge, and once the cartridge is in the pen WHAT touches the rubber
stopper? the pen is kept closed at all times

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> Julie Bove <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:69mr21F33dh8fU4@mid.individual.net...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>> i leave the needle on my pen, i just recap the needle with the little
>>>>> cap, and put the top back on the pen........... my needles are too long
>>>>> for the pen top to fit, but i DOES fit into the carry case for it
>>>>> the HumaPen (for Humalog) allows me to recap it even with the long
>>>>> needle
>>>> I don't have a carrying case. I keep everything in a pencil box for
>>>> now.
>>>>> good luck on the next adventure on your introduction to insulin.........
>>>>> here's hoping things go better for you
>>>> Thanks!
>>> my insulin pen comes in a case (hardsided) to keep the pen in (the Novo
>>> case is cloth, but i'm using the old Novo3 case for it
>>>
>>> i use a cosmetic bag to throw my diabetes supplies in when i'm heading out
>>> of the house........ the frio goes separately because it needs the 'air to
>>> breathe' to cool the insulin
>
>> I guess I can use another cosmetic bag for the insulin and stuff.
>
> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
> photographic accessories around in :-)
>
Chris, they are a very basic cloth bag, with a zipper top, and 2 small
handles on the side of the bag to make it easier to carry

can you sew? find some 'guy' material, sew up the side seams, install
the zipper/handles at the same time, and away you go!

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

Julie Bove wrote:
> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:g169ic$htv$2@aioe.org...
>
>> NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!
>
> The prescribing information for both pens says to use it on the rubber
> stopper.
>
>
nope........... we don't

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:69o8sbF33n0msU3@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>> news:g15gu3$tnc$1@aioe.org...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Okay, so... This is what I've been prescribed now. I am to cut back
>>>> on the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal,
>>>> assuming my BG is in range. Range being 90-130. If it is above that,
>>>> I am to use an additional unit for every point. Oh great! Math was
>>>> never my strong point.
>>>>
>>> NO WAY - should be no more than 1 unit for every 4 points, unless you
>>> have a record to what will not make you hypo
>>
>> Yes. That was a typo. 1 unit for every 30 points.
>>
>>>> It says to inject it 5 to 10 minutes prior to eating. That's easy
>>>> enough to do at home. But what do I do when I am at a restaurant? How
>>>> will I know when to inject it? I've heard/read that you just inject
>>>> and if the food doesn't come in time to eat a roll. That won't work
>>>> for me because of the food allergies. I can't eat most rolls. No
>>>> problem at a Mexican restaurant because there will be chips. No
>>>> problem except that I have to deduct the carbs in those chips from my
>>>> meal.
>>>>
>>> BFD, if you don't eat in an hour to an hour and a half, eat something. I
>>> haven't re-read the insert recently, but the info I have says "15 mins
>>> to an hour before eating"
>>
>> Mine says eat within 5 to 10 minutes of injecting.
>>
>>>> Next thing I don't know. What do I do with the insulin if I am out?
>>>> Just put it in my purse? That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%. It
>>>> doesn't usually get that hot here, but I am thinking of a trip to the
>>>> zoo last year where it was miserably hot. What do I do then? Can I
>>>> get one of those Frio thingies and leave it in the hot car? Do I have
>>>> to carry it around with me? And what about the needles? Here, I have
>>>> to dispose of them in a specified sharps container. I have one at my
>>>> house and so does my dad. But I don't think I've seen any when we've
>>>> been out. They did have them in some public restrooms in Oakland when
>>>> we lived in CA. The nurse said something about capping them and
>>>> sticking them back in my purse until I got home, but that doesn't sound
>>>> like a really good idea.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>> well, one thing to do is to use the smallest pen available. Then don't
>>> worry about the heat, just subtract extra days from the life.
>>
>> I think it only comes in one size.
>>> You can either mainly keep it in an air conditioned area, or use a
>>> small lunch cold pack
>>
>> Air conditioning is not common ohere.
>>> The Frio is for long journey's. I have a whole bunch of Blue Ice in my
>>> freezer, When I was going to have to expose my Insulin to heat for any
>>> length of time, I took a bunch of it out and wrapped the insulin in it.
>>> zIt would stay cold for at least 24 hours
>>
>> Oh, okay.
>>> As to using thee pen. I quietly use it in public and only ONCE has any
>>> one noticed that didn't already know I was going to shoot up
>>>
>>> I do shoot right through my shirt, and that means I sometimes get a
>>> small blood stain on my shirt. If I check shortly after, I can remove
>>> it with a napkin and cold water.
>>
>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me not
>> to shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the alcohol swab
>> first, that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see
>> that!
>>
>> Thanks!
> Julie i NEVER use an alcohol swab in the skin that i'm going to inject
> into............ it does NOTHING to clean the skin, and it does cause the
> skin to toughen
>
> i forget, but it was something like a 15 min bath in alcohol was necessary
> to kill any surface bacteria/bugs/germs/strep/blah blah blah

Hmmm...

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:69o945F33n0msU6@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>> news:g169ic$htv$2@aioe.org...
>>
>>> NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!
>>
>> The prescribing information for both pens says to use it on the rubber
>> stopper.
> nope........... we don't

Hmmm...

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:69o8utF33n0msU4@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>> news:nusc3418om0m2kd4ici57qvtfclf7kvrna@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:02 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me
>>>> not to
>>>> shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the alcohol swab
>>>> first,
>>>> that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see
>>>> that!
>>> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
>>> people being told to swab fingers before testing.
>>
>> The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to
>> use it on the rubber stopper on the pen. I don't use it on my fingers.
> nah, again it does nothing to sterilize the rubber stopper on the
> cartridge, and once the cartridge is in the pen WHAT touches the rubber
> stopper? the pen is kept closed at all times

Except when in use.

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:69nmpuF33ddjjU3@mid.individual.net...
>
> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
> photographic accessories around in :-)
>

Think of them as bags to protect blokes' sox from getting de-paired in the
laundry, too. :-)

Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled. But
I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.
bj

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:69o8utF33n0msU4@mid.individual.net...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nusc3418om0m2kd4ici57qvtfclf7kvrna@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:02 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that. The nurse advised me
>>>>> not to
>>>>> shoot through my clothes. And because I have to use the alcohol swab
>>>>> first,
>>>>> that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see
>>>>> that!
>>>> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
>>>> people being told to swab fingers before testing.
>>> The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to
>>> use it on the rubber stopper on the pen. I don't use it on my fingers.
>> nah, again it does nothing to sterilize the rubber stopper on the
>> cartridge, and once the cartridge is in the pen WHAT touches the rubber
>> stopper? the pen is kept closed at all times
>
> Except when in use.
>
>
ya, and when in use, can anything come in contact with the rubber
stopper??? doesn't the needle tip cover that?

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> ya, and when in use, can anything come in contact with the rubber
> stopper??? doesn't the needle tip cover that?

Well, I am setting it down while I fiddle with the alcohol swab and the
needle.

"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:uJCZj.6$4c.0@trnddc08...
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:69nmpuF33ddjjU3@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
>> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
>> photographic accessories around in :-)
>>
>
> Think of them as bags to protect blokes' sox from getting de-paired in the
> laundry, too. :-)
>
> Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled.
> But I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
> types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.

The one I am using currently actually came with some makeup and cosmetics I
never used. It was a gift and totally the wrong shades for me. Plus I
seemed to be allergic to some of it. Anyway, it's a gray and black sort of
suede cloth. I've been using it for years. Only thing that broke on it was
the zipper pull, but that was easily replaced.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:06 GMT, "bj"
<bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
>> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
>> photographic accessories around in :-)
>>
>
>Think of them as bags to protect blokes' sox from getting de-paired in the
>laundry, too. :-)
>
>Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled. But
>I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
>types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.
>bj

Good for the palstic lids in dishwashers too - the lids that
used to end up melting on the heating loop at the bottom...

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Latest: Bangkok

> On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:59:06 GMT, "bj" wrote:
>
> Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled.

"Alan S" wrote ...
> Good for the plastic lids in dishwashers too - the lids that
> used to end up melting on the heating loop at the bottom...
>

You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
:-)
bj

On Sat, 24 May 2008 01:45:58 GMT, "bj"
<bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" wrote ...
>> Good for the plastic lids in dishwashers too - the lids that
>> used to end up melting on the heating loop at the bottom...
>>
>
>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
>:-)
>bj

No choice on ours, or any dw I've owned here.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Latest: Bangkok

On 23 May 2008 11:06:38 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
>women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
>photographic accessories around in :-)

And these days they don't even look girlie if you get the kind that
are clear and designed spcifically for air travel. Some of them come
pre-filled with the little bottles that are required for carry on now.
Definately not girlie. Or perhaps try the mens shaving kits.

In article <bl9g34tr7ptjcrgnjuq2erheh425oko6bf@4ax.com>,
Laura@notmy.com wrote:

> On 23 May 2008 11:06:38 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
> >to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
> >women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
> >photographic accessories around in :-)
>
> And these days they don't even look girlie if you get the kind that
> are clear and designed spcifically for air travel. Some of them come
> pre-filled with the little bottles that are required for carry on now.
> Definately not girlie. Or perhaps try the mens shaving kits.

Camping supply stores. I've been perusing that kind of catalog in
anticipation of a trip to Kenya in 2009, and there are all kinds of
netting bags for collecting and holding small things.

Priscilla

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:53ff34hjfc08ek9drjbctpel6nl9e10e26@4ax.com...
>>
>>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
>>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
>>:-)
>>bj
>
> No choice on ours, or any dw I've owned here.
>

Strange. I've had that choice for at least my last two dishwashers (dating
to '96) & I think even before that. With all the emphasis on energy-saving
these days (& that concern is only getting greater, it's not even new), I'd
think that would be one of the settings.
bj

In article <YSXZj.85$nx6.79@trnddc03>, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:

> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:53ff34hjfc08ek9drjbctpel6nl9e10e26@4ax.com...
> >>
> >>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
> >>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
> >>:-)
> >>bj
> >
> > No choice on ours, or any dw I've owned here.
> >
>
> Strange. I've had that choice for at least my last two dishwashers (dating
> to '96) & I think even before that. With all the emphasis on energy-saving
> these days (& that concern is only getting greater, it's not even new), I'd
> think that would be one of the settings.
> bj

I think the variable here might be the expected temperature of hot water
from the tap. If my hot water heater is running hot enough, I don't have
to add heat at the dishwasher. But it would be an energy-saving if I
keep my hot water a little cooler and let the dishwasher boost the
temperature. I suspect that what Alan's saying is that the default in Oz
is that you let the dishwasher provide its own hot water.

And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
fish.

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This, apparently, upsets the fools."
---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
news:afaber-45FCB7.13232724052008@reader2.panix.com...
>
> And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
> fish.
>

That's the "heat cycle" I was referring to.
bj

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
news:afaber-45FCB7.13232724052008@reader2.panix.com...
> In article <YSXZj.85$nx6.79@trnddc03>, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:53ff34hjfc08ek9drjbctpel6nl9e10e26@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
>> >>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last
>> >>year.
>> >>:-)
>> >>bj
>> >
>> > No choice on ours, or any dw I've owned here.
>> >
>>
>> Strange. I've had that choice for at least my last two dishwashers
>> (dating
>> to '96) & I think even before that. With all the emphasis on
>> energy-saving
>> these days (& that concern is only getting greater, it's not even new),
>> I'd
>> think that would be one of the settings.
>> bj
>
> I think the variable here might be the expected temperature of hot water
> from the tap. If my hot water heater is running hot enough, I don't have
> to add heat at the dishwasher. But it would be an energy-saving if I
> keep my hot water a little cooler and let the dishwasher boost the
> temperature. I suspect that what Alan's saying is that the default in Oz
> is that you let the dishwasher provide its own hot water.
>
> And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
> fish.

My dishwasher super heats the water. I am not sure about the new one but on
the old one I could skip the heated dry.

In article <kjZZj.106$4c.25@trnddc08>, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:

> "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:afaber-45FCB7.13232724052008@reader2.panix.com...
> >
> > And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
> > fish.
> >
>
> That's the "heat cycle" I was referring to.

Yah...I don't think I've *ever* used that one, but I do boost the hot
water temperature.

--
"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly.
This, apparently, upsets the fools."
---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest

On Sat, 24 May 2008 13:23:27 -0400, Alice Faber
<afaber@panix.com> wrote:

>In article <YSXZj.85$nx6.79@trnddc03>, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
>wrote:
>
>> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:53ff34hjfc08ek9drjbctpel6nl9e10e26@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
>> >>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
>> >>:-)
>> >>bj
>> >
>> > No choice on ours, or any dw I've owned here.
>> >
>>
>> Strange. I've had that choice for at least my last two dishwashers (dating
>> to '96) & I think even before that. With all the emphasis on energy-saving
>> these days (& that concern is only getting greater, it's not even new), I'd
>> think that would be one of the settings.
>> bj
>
>I think the variable here might be the expected temperature of hot water
>from the tap. If my hot water heater is running hot enough, I don't have
>to add heat at the dishwasher. But it would be an energy-saving if I
>keep my hot water a little cooler and let the dishwasher boost the
>temperature. I suspect that what Alan's saying is that the default in Oz
>is that you let the dishwasher provide its own hot water.
>
>And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
>fish.

Yep. Only one water fitting on the machine - cold. There are
probably other versions available here; I've just not had
them. But, then again, I didn't get my first dishwasher
until 1999 (came with the house).

Our original dishwashers eventually grew up and left home.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> Julie Bove <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:69mr21F33dh8fU4@mid.individual.net...

>>>> my insulin pen comes in a case (hardsided) to keep the pen in (the Novo
>>>> case is cloth, but i'm using the old Novo3 case for it
>>>>
>>>> i use a cosmetic bag to throw my diabetes supplies in when i'm heading out
>>>> of the house........ the frio goes separately because it needs the 'air to
>>>> breathe' to cool the insulin
>>
>>> I guess I can use another cosmetic bag for the insulin and stuff.
>>
>> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
>> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
>> photographic accessories around in :-)
>>
> Chris, they are a very basic cloth bag, with a zipper top, and 2 small
> handles on the side of the bag to make it easier to carry

> can you sew? find some 'guy' material, sew up the side seams, install
> the zipper/handles at the same time, and away you go!

Always wished I could sew. My skills are restricted to darning with a
needle and thread. But what you describe sounds just like a simple
small bag without any protective strength or cushioning. I'm a tool
using animal and I like to carry around some heavy stuff. I don't
actually carry a hammer around, but I like to bag my stuff in such a
way that if I did the hammer wouldn't hurt anything else in my bag.

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bj <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:69nmpuF33ddjjU3@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
>> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
>> photographic accessories around in :-)

> Think of them as bags to protect blokes' sox from getting de-paired in the
> laundry, too. :-)

> Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled. But
> I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
> types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.

Actually I find girly looking stuff to be a useful secondary
protection against theft. Most thieves are young males, and most young
male thieves are terrified of the possibility of being thought to have
girly tendencies.

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:69ssu8F34kotiU2@mid.individual.net...
> bj <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled.
>> But
>> I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
>> types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.
>
> Actually I find girly looking stuff to be a useful secondary
> protection against theft. Most thieves are young males, and most young
> male thieves are terrified of the possibility of being thought to have
> girly tendencies.
>

I once gave a pal who worked at a printing company (with mostly but not all
male coworkers) some bright pink scissors & other desk accoutrements. She
could always find them even when they'd walked off somewhere!
bj