Re: both ct scan and thallium stress test?

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > mdb wrote:
> > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and
> > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason
> > > > > for the tests is that my brother, 3 yrs older than me at 58, recently had a
> > > > > heart attack and subsequently had triple bypass surgery. It seems to me that
> > > > > the CT scan would give a better answer about possible calcification and
> > > > > would eliminate the need for the stress test. I'm trying to keep costs down
> > > > > while still getting an accurate picture of my heart. Does anyone know if
> > > > > both tests really are necessary?
> > > >
> > > > Your cardiologist knows whereas others who don't know your history and
> > > > have not examined you, would be guessing.
> > > >
> > > > My guess: If your thallium stress test is normal, this would obviate
> > > > the need for the cardiac CT scan because even if the latter were to
> > > > show blockages, the former would suggest that there are enough
> > > > collaterals to meet perfusion demands.
> > > >
> > > > > thanks.
> > > >
> > > > You are welcome.
> > > >
> > > > All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> > > > soul, mind, and strength.
> > > >
> > > > May GOD continue to help you with your needs, near Michael whom I love
> > > > unconditionally.
> > >
> > > About stress tests, I have some confusions:-
> > >
> > > 1. Does these tell only about arteries conditions?
> >
> > No. They tell the cardiologists whether the symptoms match up with
> > myocardial ischemia.
> >
> > > 2. Can there be some other reasons(pH, lactic acidosis, breathing
> > > abnormalities, electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc.) which may show
> > > false abnormal results interpreting arteries disorders by these tests?
> >
> > This is not clinically seen.
>
> How a person with pH, lactic acidosis, breathing abnormalities,
> electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc can express his symptoms on doing
> stress?

By dying in the intensive care unit (ICU).

> Hoe a cardilogist differenciate between expressions by these
> symptoms and by real trouble?

By using the abilities given to him/her by GOD, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind, and strength:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love.asp

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
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Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > mdb wrote:
> > > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and
> > > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason
> > > > > > for the tests is that my brother, 3 yrs older than me at 58, recently had a
> > > > > > heart attack and subsequently had triple bypass surgery. It seems to me that
> > > > > > the CT scan would give a better answer about possible calcification and
> > > > > > would eliminate the need for the stress test. I'm trying to keep costs down
> > > > > > while still getting an accurate picture of my heart. Does anyone know if
> > > > > > both tests really are necessary?
> > > > >
> > > > > Your cardiologist knows whereas others who don't know your history and
> > > > > have not examined you, would be guessing.
> > > > >
> > > > > My guess: If your thallium stress test is normal, this would obviate
> > > > > the need for the cardiac CT scan because even if the latter were to
> > > > > show blockages, the former would suggest that there are enough
> > > > > collaterals to meet perfusion demands.
> > > > >
> > > > > > thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are welcome.
> > > > >
> > > > > All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> > > > > soul, mind, and strength.
> > > > >
> > > > > May GOD continue to help you with your needs, near Michael whom I love
> > > > > unconditionally.
> > > >
> > > > About stress tests, I have some confusions:-
> > > >
> > > > 1. Does these tell only about arteries conditions?
> > >
> > > No. They tell the cardiologists whether the symptoms match up with
> > > myocardial ischemia.
> > >
> > > > 2. Can there be some other reasons(pH, lactic acidosis, breathing
> > > > abnormalities, electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc.) which may show
> > > > false abnormal results interpreting arteries disorders by these tests?
> > >
> > > This is not clinically seen.
> >
> > How a person with pH, lactic acidosis, breathing abnormalities,
> > electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc can express his symptoms on doing
> > stress?
>
> By dying in the intensive care unit (ICU).
There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get
acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need
not necessary will die?
> > Hoe a cardilogist differenciate between expressions by these
> > symptoms and by real trouble?
>
> By using the abilities given to him/her by GOD, Whom I love with all my
> heart, soul, mind, and strength:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love.asp
>
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

[Al Klein]

On 31 Oct 2006 09:04:42 -0800, "Kumar" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get
>acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need
>not necessary will die?

Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces
medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth
to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice
of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures,
should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure
aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world.
--
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When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
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[Kumar]

Al Klein wrote:
> On 31 Oct 2006 09:04:42 -0800, "Kumar" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get
> >acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need
> >not necessary will die?
>
> Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces
> medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth
> to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice
> of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures,
> should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure
> aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world.

Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything.
> --
> rukbat at optonline dot net
> "...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
> When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
> why I dismiss yours."
> - Stephen F. Roberts
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>
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[[email protected]]

Kumar wrote:
> Al Klein wrote:
> > On 31 Oct 2006 09:04:42 -0800, "Kumar" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get
> > >acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need
> > >not necessary will die?
> >
> > Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces
> > medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth
> > to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice
> > of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures,
> > should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure
> > aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world.
>
> Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything.

Why not? After all, they've ignored us (the *human* us) for years..

-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

[Mu]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:06:34 -0500, Al Klein <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces
>medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth
>to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice
>of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures,
>should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure
>aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world.

Or a lack of fools who endlessly respond to those who they claim are
foolish, eh Allie?

PLONK

[Robibnikoff]

"Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> Kumar wrote:
>> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > > Kumar wrote:
>> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > > > > mdb wrote:
>> > > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium
>> > > > > > stress test and
>> > > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me.
>> > > > > > The reason
>> > > > > > for the tests is that my brother, 3 yrs older than me at 58,
>> > > > > > recently had a
>> > > > > > heart attack and subsequently had triple bypass surgery. It
>> > > > > > seems to me that
>> > > > > > the CT scan would give a better answer about possible
>> > > > > > calcification and
>> > > > > > would eliminate the need for the stress test. I'm trying to
>> > > > > > keep costs down
>> > > > > > while still getting an accurate picture of my heart. Does
>> > > > > > anyone know if
>> > > > > > both tests really are necessary?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Your cardiologist knows whereas others who don't know your
>> > > > > history and
>> > > > > have not examined you, would be guessing.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > My guess: If your thallium stress test is normal, this would
>> > > > > obviate
>> > > > > the need for the cardiac CT scan because even if the latter were
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > show blockages, the former would suggest that there are enough
>> > > > > collaterals to meet perfusion demands.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > thanks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You are welcome.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my
>> > > > > heart,
>> > > > > soul, mind, and strength.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > May GOD continue to help you with your needs, near Michael whom I
>> > > > > love
>> > > > > unconditionally.
>> > > >
>> > > > About stress tests, I have some confusions:-
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. Does these tell only about arteries conditions?
>> > >
>> > > No. They tell the cardiologists whether the symptoms match up with
>> > > myocardial ischemia.
>> > >
>> > > > 2. Can there be some other reasons(pH, lactic acidosis, breathing
>> > > > abnormalities, electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc.) which may show
>> > > > false abnormal results interpreting arteries disorders by these
>> > > > tests?
>> > >
>> > > This is not clinically seen.
>> >
>> > How a person with pH, lactic acidosis, breathing abnormalities,
>> > electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc can express his symptoms on doing
>> > stress?
>>
>> By dying in the intensive care unit (ICU).
> There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get
> acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need
> not necessary will die?

Jeeze, get a room!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557

[Robibnikoff]

"Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
> Al Klein wrote:
>> On 31 Oct 2006 09:04:42 -0800, "Kumar" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get
>> >acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need
>> >not necessary will die?
>>
>> Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces
>> medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth
>> to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice
>> of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures,
>> should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure
>> aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world.
>
> Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything.

Since there's no proof of any such thing, we certainly can.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557

[Al Klein]

On 31 Oct 2006 23:24:21 -0800, "Kumar" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Al Klein wrote:

>> Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces
>> medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth
>> to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice
>> of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures,
>> should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure
>> aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world.

>Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything.

YOUR spirit affecting you, yes. *A* spirit doing something? There's
never been the slightest shred of objective evidence of anything
spiritual - it's totally subjective.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
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[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > mdb wrote:
> > > > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and
> > > > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason
> > > > > > > for the tests is that my brother, 3 yrs older than me at 58, recently had a
> > > > > > > heart attack and subsequently had triple bypass surgery. It seems to me that
> > > > > > > the CT scan would give a better answer about possible calcification and
> > > > > > > would eliminate the need for the stress test. I'm trying to keep costs down
> > > > > > > while still getting an accurate picture of my heart. Does anyone know if
> > > > > > > both tests really are necessary?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your cardiologist knows whereas others who don't know your history and
> > > > > > have not examined you, would be guessing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My guess: If your thallium stress test is normal, this would obviate
> > > > > > the need for the cardiac CT scan because even if the latter were to
> > > > > > show blockages, the former would suggest that there are enough
> > > > > > collaterals to meet perfusion demands.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are welcome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> > > > > > soul, mind, and strength.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > May GOD continue to help you with your needs, near Michael whom I love
> > > > > > unconditionally.
> > > > >
> > > > > About stress tests, I have some confusions:-
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Does these tell only about arteries conditions?
> > > >
> > > > No. They tell the cardiologists whether the symptoms match up with
> > > > myocardial ischemia.
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Can there be some other reasons(pH, lactic acidosis, breathing
> > > > > abnormalities, electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc.) which may show
> > > > > false abnormal results interpreting arteries disorders by these tests?
> > > >
> > > > This is not clinically seen.
> > >
> > > How a person with pH, lactic acidosis, breathing abnormalities,
> > > electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc can express his symptoms on doing
> > > stress?
> >
> > By dying in the intensive care unit (ICU).
>
> There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions.

Not clinically seen.

> One can get
> acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need
> not necessary will die?

GOD's will be done and not our wills:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?

Laus Deo !

May HE continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love