Days off, Grilling, Dr appt and beer

Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to sleep
all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do that
sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for submarines).
AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these financially,
ball-breaking pills and find something generic to replace them. If my LDL is
high, what the heck did they do for it before they had 3 dollar pills? Hell
with Actos, whatever happened to Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some
cheap simvusatatin - or course, there is this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...74&expand=true

Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old
daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And, gotta find
some New York Pinot Noir (got the highest concentration of that reverse a
troll, or whatever it is, in the world). I guess that's cause New York is
full of fungus.

Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss Beer -
Seeya!

John

On Mon, 19 May 2008 05:17:30 GMT, Johnnie McCoy posted:

>Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to sleep
>all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do that
>sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for submarines).
>AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these financially,
>ball-breaking pills and find something generic to replace them. If my LDL is
>high, what the heck did they do for it before they had 3 dollar pills? Hell
>with Actos, whatever happened to Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some
>cheap simvusatatin - or course, there is this:
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...74&expand=true

I particularly liked the statement "Dr Butler, who has previously
received payment from a number of drugs companies, including Pfizer -
which makes atorvastatin under the brand name Lipitor - also noticed
more patients returning to hospital for further treatment after using
simvastatin."

Hmmm.

>Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old
>daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And, gotta find
>some New York Pinot Noir (got the highest concentration of that reverse a
>troll, or whatever it is, in the world). I guess that's cause New York is
>full of fungus.
>
>Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss Beer -
>Seeya!
>
>John

--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

"Oleg Lego" <rat@atatatat.com> wrote in message
news:r05234dhflh6j6sagio0t5k5hltf071u5m@4ax.com...
>
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 05:17:30 GMT, Johnnie McCoy posted:
>
>>Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to
>>sleep
>>all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do that
>>sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for submarines).
>>AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these financially,
>>ball-breaking pills and find something generic to replace them. If my LDL
>>is
>>high, what the heck did they do for it before they had 3 dollar pills?
>>Hell
>>with Actos, whatever happened to Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some
>>cheap simvusatatin - or course, there is this:
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...74&expand=true
>
> I particularly liked the statement "Dr Butler, who has previously
> received payment from a number of drugs companies, including Pfizer -
> which makes atorvastatin under the brand name Lipitor - also noticed
> more patients returning to hospital for further treatment after using
> simvastatin."
>
Yeah... I like that part, too.

John
>
> Hmmm.
>
>>Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old
>>daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And, gotta
>>find
>>some New York Pinot Noir (got the highest concentration of that reverse a
>>troll, or whatever it is, in the world). I guess that's cause New York is
>>full of fungus.
>>
>>Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss Beer -
>>Seeya!
>>
>>John
>
> --
> roses are #FF0000
> violets are #0000FF
> all my base
> are belong to you

Johnnie McCoy wrote:
> Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to
> sleep all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do
> that sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for
> submarines). AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these
> financially, ball-breaking pills and find something generic to
> replace them. If my LDL is high, what the heck did they do for it
> before they had 3 dollar pills? Hell with Actos, whatever happened to
> Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some cheap simvusatatin - or
> course, there is this:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...74&expand=true
>
> Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old
> daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And,
> gotta find some New York Pinot Noir (got the highest concentration of
> that reverse a troll, or whatever it is, in the world). I guess
> that's cause New York is full of fungus.
>
> Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss
> Beer - Seeya!

lol. And isn't it reserve a troll? You kow, you put in an order for one to
be ready when you need it...

On Sun, 18 May 2008 23:47:11 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
wrote:

>
>On Mon, 19 May 2008 05:17:30 GMT, Johnnie McCoy posted:
>
>>Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to sleep
>>all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do that
>>sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for submarines).
>>AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these financially,
>>ball-breaking pills and find something generic to replace them. If my LDL is
>>high, what the heck did they do for it before they had 3 dollar pills? Hell
>>with Actos, whatever happened to Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some
>>cheap simvusatatin - or course, there is this:
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...74&expand=true
>
>I particularly liked the statement "Dr Butler, who has previously
>received payment from a number of drugs companies, including Pfizer -
>which makes atorvastatin under the brand name Lipitor - also noticed
>more patients returning to hospital for further treatment after using
>simvastatin."

Details somewhat lacking.

I'd have been switched to simvastatin if I hadn't been on it already.
Been taking it for about ten years now so perhaps I'm already dead.
That would explain lots . . .

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69d14bF31vek0U1@mid.individual.net...
> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>> Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to
>> sleep all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do
>> that sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for
>> submarines). AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these
>> financially, ball-breaking pills and find something generic to
>> replace them. If my LDL is high, what the heck did they do for it
>> before they had 3 dollar pills? Hell with Actos, whatever happened to
>> Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some cheap simvusatatin - or
>> course, there is this:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...74&expand=true
>>
>> Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old
>> daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And,
>> gotta find some New York Pinot Noir (got the highest concentration of
>> that reverse a troll, or whatever it is, in the world). I guess
>> that's cause New York is full of fungus.
>>
>> Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss
>> Beer - Seeya!
>
> lol. And isn't it reserve a troll? You kow, you put in an order for one to
> be ready when you need it...
I wait till they're on sale.

On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:49:03 +1000, Ozgirl posted:

>Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>> Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to
>> sleep all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do
>> that sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for
>> submarines). AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these
>> financially, ball-breaking pills and find something generic to
>> replace them. If my LDL is high, what the heck did they do for it
>> before they had 3 dollar pills? Hell with Actos, whatever happened to
>> Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some cheap simvusatatin - or
>> course, there is this:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...74&expand=true
>>
>> Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old
>> daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And,
>> gotta find some New York Pinot Noir (got the highest concentration of
>> that reverse a troll, or whatever it is, in the world). I guess
>> that's cause New York is full of fungus.
>>
>> Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss
>> Beer - Seeya!
>
>lol. And isn't it reserve a troll? You kow, you put in an order for one to
>be ready when you need it...

Around here, no reservations are needed. There's no waiting; never a
line. Immediate troll service. Just say something even remotely
sensible and they'll come out of the woodwork.


--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!

That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months

I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
and need to take food again

2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.

Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.

Hooray for Byetta

On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:52:11 -0400, ted rosenberg
<tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:

>Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>
>That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>
>I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
>but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
>and need to take food again
>
>2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>
>Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>
>Hooray for Byetta

Yep. I'll add a "hip, hip" to that. Great news Ted. 80lbs?
Wow!


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:52:11 -0400, ted rosenberg posted:

>Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>
>That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>
>I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
>but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
>and need to take food again
>
>2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>
>Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>
>Hooray for Byetta

And hooray for your wight loss!

--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08)

ted rosenberg wrote:
> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>
> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>
> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
> but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
> and need to take food again
>
> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>
> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>
> Hooray for Byetta
wow, Ted, that's excellent! ! !

congratulations on the GREAT weight loss

and a 6.1 is pretty good for the A1c it's definitely below 6.5


--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

On May 20, 8:52*am, ted rosenberg <tedrosenb...@iname.com> wrote:
> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>
> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>
> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
> but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
> and need to take food again
>
> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>
> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>
> Hooray for Byetta

That is an extraordinary accomplishment. Congratulations.

John C.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:52:11 -0400, ted rosenberg
<tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:

>Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>
>That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>
>I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
>but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
>and need to take food again
>
>2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>
>Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>
>Hooray for Byetta

Kinda good news, bad news eh?

80 lbs is excellent and 6.1 isn;t that far from 5.9 <G>

Oleg Lego wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:52:11 -0400, ted rosenberg posted:
>
>
>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>
>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>
>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
>> but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
>> and need to take food again
>>
>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>
>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>
>> Hooray for Byetta
>>
>
> And hooray for your wight loss!
>

The Byettta is the cause of my weight loss, it makes me more sensitive
to natural insulin, so, when I eat, the food goes where it should,
instead of staying in my blood, SO, I eat and am no longer so hungry
Pre Byetta, I was always hungry, no matter how much I ate

Trinkwasser wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:52:11 -0400, ted rosenberg
> <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>
>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>
>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
>> but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
>> and need to take food again
>>
>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>
>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>
>> Hooray for Byetta
>>
>
> Kinda good news, bad news eh?
>
> 80 lbs is excellent and 6.1 isn;t that far from 5.9 <G>
>
I'll take 6.1 any day, it comes with no insulin, no hypos, continuing
weight loss, lack of hunger,..........

"ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>
> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>
> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
> but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
> and need to take food again
>
> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>
> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>
> Hooray for Byetta
>
Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for some time;
that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use of insulin as - I
don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and start thinking more along
the lines of oral meds, proper diet and exercise? Just a suspicion, of
course.

John

Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>
>
> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>
>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>
>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after
>> meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about
>> 3 hours and need to take food again
>>
>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>
>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>
>> Hooray for Byetta
>>
> Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for some
> time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use of insulin
> as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and start thinking
> more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and exercise? Just a
> suspicion, of course.
>
> John
actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than later
with a type 2 diabetic

of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type
2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

ted rosenberg <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:
: Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!

: That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months

: I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
: completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
: but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
: and need to take food again

: 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.

: Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.

: Hooray for Byetta

Wonderful news, Ted. May this keep up for you.

Wendy

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net...
> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>
>>
>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>
>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>
>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
>>> but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
>>> and need to take food again
>>>
>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>
>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>
>>> Hooray for Byetta
>>>
>> Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for some
>> time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use of insulin
>> as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and start thinking
>> more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and exercise? Just a
>> suspicion, of course.
>>
>> John
> actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than later with
> a type 2 diabetic
>
> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type 2
> who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows
>
> --
> kate
>
Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here;
just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every "most
natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and proceeding up the
ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most logical path.

John

In article <69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net>,
Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type
> 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows

I'm leery to try it because of the reputation for nausea. Of the Byetta
users here, how many have experienced unpleasant side-effects with
Byetta?

Nausea?

Gas?

What?

Thanks!

Priscilla, T2

"ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
news:g0vbfo$kr6$2@aioe.org...
> Trinkwasser wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:52:11 -0400, ted rosenberg
>> <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>
>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>
>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals,
>>> but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours
>>> and need to take food again
>>>
>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>
>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>
>>> Hooray for Byetta
>>>
>>
>> Kinda good news, bad news eh?
>>
>> 80 lbs is excellent and 6.1 isn;t that far from 5.9 <G>
>>
> I'll take 6.1 any day, it comes with no insulin, no hypos, continuing
> weight loss, lack of hunger,..........

Wonderful news, Ted!
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

"Johnnie McCoy" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wyHYj.11112$IK5.9090@trnddc04...
>
>
> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>>
>>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>>
>>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after
>>>> meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about
>>>> 3 hours and need to take food again
>>>>
>>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>>
>>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>>
>>>> Hooray for Byetta
>>>>
>>> Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for some
>>> time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use of insulin
>>> as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and start thinking
>>> more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and exercise? Just a
>>> suspicion, of course.
>>>
>>> John
>> actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than later
>> with a type 2 diabetic
>>
>> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type
>> 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows
>>
>> --
>> kate
>>
> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here;
> just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every "most
> natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and proceeding up
> the ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most logical path.
>
> John

Hi John,

I think the primary issue is to maintain normalized BGs. Since a lot of
patients are leery of using insulin, despite the fact they don't have good
control, they're walking around with out of control BGs, when proper use of
insulin would ameliorate the problem. However, if normal BGs can be
achieved through other means, then insulin isn't necessary. (However, I'll
admit to being leery of a lot of the brand new oral diabetic meds, since a
few of the newer ones have bad side effects. I'd use insulin first.)
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

"Michelle C" <bookbug1@frys.com> wrote in message
news:g0vt9l$9st$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Johnnie McCoy" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:wyHYj.11112$IK5.9090@trnddc04...
>>
>>
>> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>>>
>>>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>>>
>>>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after
>>>>> meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about
>>>>> 3 hours and need to take food again
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hooray for Byetta
>>>>>
>>>> Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for some
>>>> time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use of
>>>> insulin as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and start
>>>> thinking more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and exercise?
>>>> Just a suspicion, of course.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>> actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than later
>>> with a type 2 diabetic
>>>
>>> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type
>>> 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows
>>>
>>> --
>>> kate
>>>
>> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here;
>> just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every "most
>> natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and proceeding up
>> the ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most logical path.
>>
>> John
>
> Hi John,
>
> I think the primary issue is to maintain normalized BGs. Since a lot of
> patients are leery of using insulin, despite the fact they don't have good
> control, they're walking around with out of control BGs, when proper use
> of insulin would ameliorate the problem. However, if normal BGs can be
> achieved through other means, then insulin isn't necessary. (However,
> I'll admit to being leery of a lot of the brand new oral diabetic meds,
> since a few of the newer ones have bad side effects. I'd use insulin
> first.)
> --
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
>
What I'm thinking about are those who jump on insulin because they don't
want to be bothered with d&e - patients and doctors. Do you think that
happens?

John

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-29497C.17450720052008@individual.net...
> In article <69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type
>> 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows
>
> I'm leery to try it because of the reputation for nausea. Of the Byetta
> users here, how many have experienced unpleasant side-effects with
> Byetta?
>
> Nausea?
>
> Gas?
>
> What?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Priscilla, T2


Don't be leery of it. It is an excellent drug.

I did get a few twinges of nausea with it, but only for a tiny bit. Stick
with the 5 mcg pen until you feel it isn't working anymore. I switched to
the ten mcg pen too soon and I did feel some nausea and I felt too cold all
the time at first, but it wasn't really bad at all. It passes.

I did get some constipation issues with the drug, but it was easily dealt
with.

The benefits outweighed the drawbacks for me. Good luck trying it!

Evelyn

In article <48338098$0$5700$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Don't be leery of it. It is an excellent drug.
>
> I did get a few twinges of nausea with it, but only for a tiny bit. Stick
> with the 5 mcg pen until you feel it isn't working anymore. I switched to
> the ten mcg pen too soon and I did feel some nausea and I felt too cold all
> the time at first, but it wasn't really bad at all. It passes.
>
> I did get some constipation issues with the drug, but it was easily dealt
> with.
>
> The benefits outweighed the drawbacks for me. Good luck trying it!

Thanks, Evelyn. I think I will ask about it. Maybe I can get it from
my relatively clueless internist if I can't find a good endo quickly.
The weight loss benefit really attracts me. *sigh*

Priscilla, T2

Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>
>
> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>>
>>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>>
>>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after
>>>> meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at
>>>> about 3 hours and need to take food again
>>>>
>>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>>
>>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>>
>>>> Hooray for Byetta
>>>>
>>> Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for
>>> some time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use of
>>> insulin as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and start
>>> thinking more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and exercise?
>>> Just a suspicion, of course.
>>>
>>> John
>> actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than later
>> with a type 2 diabetic
>>
>> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a
>> type 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows
>>
>> --
>> kate
>>
> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here;
> just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every
> "most natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and
> proceeding up the ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most
> logical path.
>
> John
>
>
>
how do you define the "most natural course" ?

there are many treatment options available to a type 2 diabetic

the old sulfs are felt to cause 'beta cell burn out'

so, do you start on metformin (current thought) and then where do you
go? arcabose which is a very old carb blocker that is hardly used
anymore? byetta, which not only stimulates the beta cells, but it
allows you to feel full sooner, which in turn allows you to lose weight
easier? januvia, that also allows you to feel full sooner? or right to
insulin?

i believe this is a decision to be made with the endo and the patient,
with the goals of the patient being very important (hey, a skinny MODY
who isn't getting results from their sulf will probably want insulin NOT
byetta, and metformin does nothing for them)

i don't think you can make 'blanket statements' about 'the most natural
course' for treatment

do you have a 'list' giving the meds in order that they would be
introduced in this natural course?

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>
>
> "Michelle C" <bookbug1@frys.com> wrote in message
> news:g0vt9l$9st$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "Johnnie McCoy" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:wyHYj.11112$IK5.9090@trnddc04...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>>>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after
>>>>>> meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at
>>>>>> about 3 hours and need to take food again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hooray for Byetta
>>>>>>
>>>>> Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for
>>>>> some time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use
>>>>> of insulin as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and
>>>>> start thinking more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and
>>>>> exercise? Just a suspicion, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>> actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than
>>>> later with a type 2 diabetic
>>>>
>>>> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a
>>>> type 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it
>>>> allows
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> kate
>>>>
>>> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about,
>>> here; just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting
>>> every "most natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and
>>> proceeding up the ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most
>>> logical path.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I think the primary issue is to maintain normalized BGs. Since a lot
>> of patients are leery of using insulin, despite the fact they don't
>> have good control, they're walking around with out of control BGs,
>> when proper use of insulin would ameliorate the problem. However, if
>> normal BGs can be achieved through other means, then insulin isn't
>> necessary. (However, I'll admit to being leery of a lot of the brand
>> new oral diabetic meds, since a few of the newer ones have bad side
>> effects. I'd use insulin first.)
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Michelle C., T2
>>
> What I'm thinking about are those who jump on insulin because they don't
> want to be bothered with d&e - patients and doctors. Do you think that
> happens?
>
> John
nope, i don't think that happens

right now, what i commonly hear is the Dr talking about D&E and 'if you
don't comply, you will end up on insulin' with insulin being a 'threat'

a LOT of type 2's will radically improve their fasting levels (assuming
that's the one reading they have troubles with) simply by adding either
levemir or lantus before bedtime

of course, just my 2 cents

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

On Tue, 20 May 2008 21:24:12 -0600, Tiger_Lily posted:

>Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Michelle C" <bookbug1@frys.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0vt9l$9st$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "Johnnie McCoy" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:wyHYj.11112$IK5.9090@trnddc04...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>>>>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after
>>>>>>> meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at
>>>>>>> about 3 hours and need to take food again
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hooray for Byetta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for
>>>>>> some time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use
>>>>>> of insulin as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and
>>>>>> start thinking more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and
>>>>>> exercise? Just a suspicion, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>> actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than
>>>>> later with a type 2 diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a
>>>>> type 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it
>>>>> allows
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> kate
>>>>>
>>>> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about,
>>>> here; just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting
>>>> every "most natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and
>>>> proceeding up the ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most
>>>> logical path.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I think the primary issue is to maintain normalized BGs. Since a lot
>>> of patients are leery of using insulin, despite the fact they don't
>>> have good control, they're walking around with out of control BGs,
>>> when proper use of insulin would ameliorate the problem. However, if
>>> normal BGs can be achieved through other means, then insulin isn't
>>> necessary. (However, I'll admit to being leery of a lot of the brand
>>> new oral diabetic meds, since a few of the newer ones have bad side
>>> effects. I'd use insulin first.)
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Michelle C., T2
>>>
>> What I'm thinking about are those who jump on insulin because they don't
>> want to be bothered with d&e - patients and doctors. Do you think that
>> happens?
>>
>> John
>nope, i don't think that happens
>
>right now, what i commonly hear is the Dr talking about D&E and 'if you
>don't comply, you will end up on insulin' with insulin being a 'threat'

Yes, and if he threatens me with insulin again, I'll ask him how
injections of insulin will reduce my insulin resistance.

>a LOT of type 2's will radically improve their fasting levels (assuming
>that's the one reading they have troubles with) simply by adding either
>levemir or lantus before bedtime
>
>of course, just my 2 cents

--
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"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:69hiq6F32h5ovU1@mid.individual.net...
> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:69gtp6F336s1dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ted rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0uhhs$ajd$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !!
>>>>>
>>>>> That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months
>>>>>
>>>>> I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped
>>>>> completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after
>>>>> meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about
>>>>> 3 hours and need to take food again
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hooray for Byet