Re: Daily Spirit-guided health tip for 11/27/07.

In article <656adc29-9731-447b-8714-47be118da9e9@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc14@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal) demon hissed:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c9970b08a47a2?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The experiences of more than 625,550 people over a period of more
> > > > > > > than 5 years invariably achieving sustained healthy weightloss has
> > > > > > > inspired the offering of an unprecedented two-million dollar
> > > > > > > guarantee:" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Funny how we never hear from any of those more than 625,550 people
> > > > > > > telling how great the 2PD-OMER approach has been. Seems if that many
> > > > > > > people were successful with sustaining healthy weightloss, someone
> > > > > > > other than Andrew (or MU) would be talking about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Odder yet that out of a third of a million or so practicing
> > > > > > physicians, only about 0.0003% of these (or, rounding off
> > > > > > to the nearest physician: 1) recommend the 2DP-OMER "approach".
> > > > >
> > > > > Without the LORD, your (and satan's) fantasies are meaningless
> > > > > (Ecclesiastes).
> > > >
> > > > So then other physicians DO recommend this "approach"?
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you list a few. (you may use the back of this post
> > > > if you require more room):
> > >
> > > Those physician-colleagues who choose not to recommend the 2PD-OMER
> > > Approach to their obese patients are themselves suffering from the
> > > delusion that hunger is bad:
> > >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess
> >
> > On the other hand, why don't you list a few of the other doctors
> > who DO recommend the 2PD-OMER approach:
>
> It is easier to list (it is a much shorter list) physician-colleagues
> who do not recommend the 2PD-OMER Approach...


I'll simplify my original question then: please list fifteen
physicians, other than yourself, who do recommend the 2PD-OMER
approach to their patients.


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-- cary

In article <12ce08f3-65e6-4968-a898-8e75e2155f5e@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc21@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal) demon hissed:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c9970b08a47a2?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "The experiences of more than 625,550 people over a period of more
> > > > > > > > > than 5 years invariably achieving sustained healthy weightloss has
> > > > > > > > > inspired the offering of an unprecedented two-million dollar
> > > > > > > > > guarantee:" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Funny how we never hear from any of those more than 625,550 people
> > > > > > > > > telling how great the 2PD-OMER approach has been. Seems if that many
> > > > > > > > > people were successful with sustaining healthy weightloss, someone
> > > > > > > > > other than Andrew (or MU) would be talking about it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Odder yet that out of a third of a million or so practicing
> > > > > > > > physicians, only about 0.0003% of these (or, rounding off
> > > > > > > > to the nearest physician: 1) recommend the 2DP-OMER "approach".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Without the LORD, your (and satan's) fantasies are meaningless
> > > > > > > (Ecclesiastes).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So then other physicians DO recommend this "approach"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why don't you list a few. (you may use the back of this post
> > > > > > if you require more room):
> > > > >
> > > > > Those physician-colleagues who choose not to recommend the 2PD-OMER
> > > > > Approach to their obese patients are themselves suffering from the
> > > > > delusion that hunger is bad:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, why don't you list a few of the other doctors
> > > > who DO recommend the 2PD-OMER approach:
> > >
> > > It is easier to list (it is a much shorter list) physician-colleagues
> > > who do not recommend the 2PD-OMER Approach...
> >
> > I'll simplify my original question then: please list fifteen
> > physicians, other than yourself, who do recommend the 2PD-OMER
> > approach to their patients.
>
> The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
> Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.
>
> It remains my choice to respect their wishes.

Ooooh, overlooked this bit:

>
> However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
> that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
> now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.
>
> It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
> physicians.


"Yamantaka", care to give us the Planet Reality version of
this claim?



-- cary

In article <a53ea6ad-35f8-4546-8bbe-961c0a55ea04@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc21@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal) demon hissed:
> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c9970b08a47a2?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The experiences of more than 625,550 people over a period of more
> > > > > > > > > > > than 5 years invariably achieving sustained healthy weightloss has
> > > > > > > > > > > inspired the offering of an unprecedented two-million dollar
> > > > > > > > > > > guarantee:" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Funny how we never hear from any of those more than 625,550 people
> > > > > > > > > > > telling how great the 2PD-OMER approach has been. Seems if that many
> > > > > > > > > > > people were successful with sustaining healthy weightloss, someone
> > > > > > > > > > > other than Andrew (or MU) would be talking about it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Odder yet that out of a third of a million or so practicing
> > > > > > > > > > physicians, only about 0.0003% of these (or, rounding off
> > > > > > > > > > to the nearest physician: 1) recommend the 2DP-OMER "approach".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Without the LORD, your (and satan's) fantasies are meaningless
> > > > > > > > > (Ecclesiastes).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So then other physicians DO recommend this "approach"?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why don't you list a few. (you may use the back of this post
> > > > > > > > if you require more room):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those physician-colleagues who choose not to recommend the 2PD-OMER
> > > > > > > Approach to their obese patients are themselves suffering from the
> > > > > > > delusion that hunger is bad:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand, why don't you list a few of the other doctors
> > > > > > who DO recommend the 2PD-OMER approach:
> > > > >
> > > > > It is easier to list (it is a much shorter list) physician-colleagues
> > > > > who do not recommend the 2PD-OMER Approach...
> > > >
> > > > I'll simplify my original question then: please list fifteen
> > > > physicians, other than yourself, who do recommend the 2PD-OMER
> > > > approach to their patients.
> > >
> > > The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
> > > Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.
> > >
> > > It remains my choice to respect their wishes.
> >
> > Ooooh, overlooked this bit:
> >
> > >
> > > However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
> > > that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
> > > now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.
> > >
> > > It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
> > > physicians.
> >
> >
> > "Yamantaka", care to give us the Planet Reality version of
> > this claim?
>
> "Yamantaka" has already falsely claimed that the survey results came
> from those who were attempting to be humorous.

Yes, but as that is an explanation both obvious and compelling, it had
already ocurred to me. Within seconds.

>
> The simple fact that only "Yamantaka" (out of 35,000 Sermo physicians)
> has ventured out here onto Usenet to express an opposing view about
> the 2PD-OMER Approach

....is easily explained by the fact that the average doctor is
hardly lurking about these groups, and in fact is most likely
totally unaware of the existence of Usenet froups.

And would hardly care, even if he were.

> adds to the validity of the survey results

Addition of zero is an idempotent operation.

-- cary


> indicating that more than half of the physician participants are
> indeed now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese
> patients.
>
> Perhaps their knowing about the two-million dollar guarantee is
> serving to motivate them:

>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee
>
> In the interim, may we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for
> your deeply troubled and endangered soul:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

<yamantaka@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c6a8543c-18d0-41ae-9597-22602c9649fa@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

.....
> Andrew, then by the same token none of your imaginary "fans" have
> followed the links from Sermo to praise your ideas and approach here
> either. You extrapolated 17,000 physicians would use your approach.
> Where is even one physician stepping up to say that you have something
> worthwhile to offer patients? Is this the same creative math you use
> to claim that the diet is used by over 600,000 people or that you have
> a 1 (now 2) million dollar guarantee?
>
>
> I don't know why I waste my time. Chung brings out the worst in me.
> This is not constructive, although I do want to counter his outrageous
> claims and inject some reality into the discussion.

He brings out the worst in many people, including me. I think it's because
he says so many irresponsible and ridiculous things and, unlike most people
who do that, he has the ability to do a lot of damage as a licensed
physician. It seems the people of GA would be well-served if the medical
board there would take some action to see that he either gets help or is
suspended from practicing medicine.

In any case, your posts here are constructive in that you're educating us
and confirming (as a doctor and member of Sermo) what most laypeople here
already believed.

In article <a53ea6ad-35f8-4546-8bbe-961c0a55ea04@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc21@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal) demon hissed:
> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c9970b08a47a2?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The experiences of more than 625,550 people over a period of more
> > > > > > > > > > > than 5 years invariably achieving sustained healthy weightloss has
> > > > > > > > > > > inspired the offering of an unprecedented two-million dollar
> > > > > > > > > > > guarantee:" -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Funny how we never hear from any of those more than 625,550 people
> > > > > > > > > > > telling how great the 2PD-OMER approach has been. Seems if that many
> > > > > > > > > > > people were successful with sustaining healthy weightloss, someone
> > > > > > > > > > > other than Andrew (or MU) would be talking about it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Odder yet that out of a third of a million or so practicing
> > > > > > > > > > physicians, only about 0.0003% of these (or, rounding off
> > > > > > > > > > to the nearest physician: 1) recommend the 2DP-OMER "approach".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Without the LORD, your (and satan's) fantasies are meaningless
> > > > > > > > > (Ecclesiastes).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So then other physicians DO recommend this "approach"?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why don't you list a few. (you may use the back of this post
> > > > > > > > if you require more room):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those physician-colleagues who choose not to recommend the 2PD-OMER
> > > > > > > Approach to their obese patients are themselves suffering from the
> > > > > > > delusion that hunger is bad:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand, why don't you list a few of the other doctors
> > > > > > who DO recommend the 2PD-OMER approach:
> > > > >
> > > > > It is easier to list (it is a much shorter list) physician-colleagues
> > > > > who do not recommend the 2PD-OMER Approach...
> > > >
> > > > I'll simplify my original question then: please list fifteen
> > > > physicians, other than yourself, who do recommend the 2PD-OMER
> > > > approach to their patients.
> > >
> > > The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
> > > Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.
> > >
> > > It remains my choice to respect their wishes.
> >
> > Ooooh, overlooked this bit:
> >
> > >
> > > However, there was a survey conducted on Sermo that yielded results
> > > that revealed that more than half of the physician participants are
> > > now recommending the 2PD-OMER Approach to their obese patients.
> > >
> > > It is possible that this extrapolates to more than 17,000 U.S.
> > > physicians.
> >
> >
> > "Yamantaka", care to give us the Planet Reality version of
> > this claim?
>
> "Yamantaka" has already falsely claimed that the survey results came
> from those who were attempting to be humorous.
>
> The simple fact that only "Yamantaka" (out of 35,000 Sermo physicians)


How many, again?




-- cary

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:59:37 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell wrote:

> How

Brown Cow.

Your friend in waiting,

Mu

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:46:02 -0800 (PST), yamantaka@aol.com wrote:

> Andrew, then by the same token none of your imaginary "fans" have
> followed the links from Sermo to praise your ideas and approach here
> either. You extrapolated 17,000 physicians would use your approach.

It ain't his approach, Yammers.

> Where is even one physician stepping up to say that you have something
> worthwhile to offer patients?

Uh, in Atlanta, and several other physicians who I have personally attuned
to the 2PD.

> Is this the same creative math you use
> to claim that the diet is used by over 600,000 people or that you have
> a 1 (now 2) million dollar guarantee?

I guarantee that if you eat 2 pounds per day over time you will lose weight
if you are overfat. Google Gregory who "lost" $30,000 at that challenge.

> I don't know why I waste my time.

I thught you were a self-pronounced Crusader, so sayeth ye in a bunch of
other posts.

> Chung brings out the worst in me.
> This is not constructive, although I do want to counter his outrageous
> claims and inject some reality into the discussion.

Wobble, weeble, flip about like a fish....

> Andrew, people think you are mentally ill. They think you may once
> have been intelligent, but have had a psychotic break and are
> delusional and unmedicated for your condition. No one takes you
> seriously. No one cares.

Yammers" continues; "See, Chung, I'm going to stop posting, that'll prove
that I don't care. No, maybe I won't, I must save the world from you. No,
I'm quitting, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes...

> If anyone does interact with you it's as
> sport and entertainment, not because they take you seriously.

Wanna play catch, Yammers?

> After
> you were deactivated from Sermo there was a popular thread about you
> entitled, "Good Riddance." It has had more participation and attention
> and meaningful comments as well as jokes and votes than any of the
> garbage that you ever posted on Sermo had.

Andrew, Mu here, people think you are mentally ill. They think you may once
have been intelligent, but have had a psychotic break and are
delusional and unmedicated for your condition. No one takes you
seriously. No one cares. Well, except for Yammers, the hundreds of trolls
that nip at your heels, your patients, Mu, and the physicians who don't
care but laff at you while they don't care.

Did I miss anyone?

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:00:35 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:32:15 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>> The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on Usenet
>> because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.
>
> Yeah, they've read your posts...

I would imagine you are correct.

Docs are traditional creatures by nature. Usenet is not traditional. The
2PD is not traditional.

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:49:29 -0500, MU wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:00:35 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:32:15 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>> The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
>>> Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.
>>
>> Yeah, they've read your posts...
>
> I would imagine you are correct.
>
> Docs are traditional creatures by nature. Usenet is not traditional. The
> 2PD is not traditional.

Usenet is nothing but a gigantic, world spanning coffee shop with no
barriers to entry. Getting medical advice off the Usenet is about as
healthy as beating yourself repeatedly over the head with a hammer.

Oh and that 2PD crap is stupid.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“There is always an easy solution to every
problem - neat, plausible, and wrong.”

- H. L. Mencken

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:47:26 -0500, MU wrote:

> Uh, in Atlanta, and several other physicians who I have personally
> attuned to the 2PD.

Can anybody else *see* these "physicians"?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
At a recent PTL convention, the hotel reported that over 80%
of the conventionites watched at least one x-rated movie on
the hotel's ppv cable...

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:56:56 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:32:15 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>> The physicians I personally know do not wish to be named here on
>>>> Usenet because they are wary of what they have witnessed here.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they've read your posts...
>>
>> I would imagine you are correct.
>>
>> Docs are traditional creatures by nature. Usenet is not traditional. The
>> 2PD is not traditional.
>
> Usenet is nothing but a gigantic, world spanning coffee shop with no
> barriers to entry.

Or intelligence but keep going....

> Getting medical advice off the Usenet is about as
> healthy as beating yourself repeatedly over the head with a hammer.

For most, yes.

> Oh and that 2PD crap is stupid.

How so?

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:24:26 -0800 (PST), BusinessAccountEmail@gmail.com
wrote:

> On Dec 2, 12:46 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
>> ... doctors calling each other idiots/trolls and driving away those
>> whose views about treating patients were different from "mainstream"
>> as if "mainstream" should be the standard especially when treatment
>> failures are so high in the realm of cardiovascular disease. It
>> remains surreal what is going on at Sermo:
>
> Wrong wrong wrong.
>
> Your views were not accepted in a medical group because they were not
> based on medical science and methods.

What was your login?

In article <5f1a7994-00f9-456e-b659-c3edfa04f79f@l16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> crinoidgirl <virginialsmith@gmail.com> writes:

> FYI, Cary, I'm praying for you.

Ah, thank Bast!

(I guess that wraps up the invertebrate contingent)


:-}


> V


-- cry