Re: Is the diet heart hypothesis really still alive.

Juhana Harju wrote:
> tonyzsims@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> : I have recently been reading The Colesterol Myths in which Dr Uffe
> : Ravnskov sets out to demonstrate that the diet-heart hypothesis is not
> : sustainable. He supports his conclusions with a meticulous analysis
> : of a large number of cited studies and reviews. His demolition of the
> : Seven Countries Study is, to my mind, totally credible.
> :
> : Although Dr Ravnskov seems to have covered everything of importance on
> : this vast subject I am wondering whether there are any studies or
> : reviews (major or otherwise) that can convincingly demonstrate the
> : following:
> :
> : (1) that high fat diets are associated with high levels of blood
> : cholesterol.
>
> The quality of dietary fats is important, not the amount.
>
> : (2) that high levels of blood cholesterol are associated with high
> : levels of CHD.
>
> Ravnskov often speaks about cholesterol (meaning serum total cholesterol).
> That is outdated as total cholesterol is not a very good predictor of heart
> disease. Cholesterol ratios (total cholesterol to HDL) should be used
> instead. Triglyserides are also important particularly in overweight people.
>
> : Without this evidence the hypothesis is dead. I should say that I am
> : not seeking to be controversial but write as an elderly non scientist
> : with heart problems, who genuinely wants to know what the score is.
>
> Take a look at Lyon Diet Heart Trial. That is a study where a modificated
> Mediterranean diet was compared with a diet recommended by American Heart
> Association. Patients following the Mediterranean diet had *70 percent*
> reduced heart disease and total mortality. In the Mediterranean diet the
> subjects were adviced to replace saturated fats with olive oil, canola oil
> and with a rape seed oil based margarine. They were suggested to do some
> other diet changes as well. The subjects in the Mediterranean diet group
> were observed to have higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids, more oleic acid
> and higher levels of antioxidants than subjects in the control group.
>
> I don't think that the diet heart hypothesis is dead, quite the contrary.
> The evidence is accumulating. Increase the intake of omega-3 fatty acids.
> Use cold pressed and virgin vegetable oils - olive oil and canola/rape seed
> oil are good choices. Cut the refined carbohydrates. Avoid trans fats very
> strictly. Cut saturated fats. Eat some whole grains. Favour fatty fish and
> vegetarian protein sources. Eat less red meat. Do not forget nuts. Eat more
> vegetables, fruits and berries. Green vegetables are important. Pomegranates
> are terrific.

Wiser to focus on eating less down to the optimal amount to lose all
the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) rather than focusing on diet:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

"Wiser to focus on eating less down to the optimal amount to lose all
the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) rather than focusing on diet:"

Right on bro', which makes use of lard so convenient, it comes in pound
packages and one needs only two fingers to plan each days meals.

..tonys . . wrote

. . write as an elderly non scientist with heart problems, who
genuinely wants to know what the score is.

Keep an eye out for David Rind's posts. He graciously takes pity on
us and sets us straight when we go astray.

Marilyn

MarilynMann wrote:
> .tonys . . wrote
>
> . . write as an elderly non scientist with heart problems, who
> genuinely wants to know what the score is.
>
> Keep an eye out for David Rind's posts. He graciously takes pity on
> us and sets us straight when we go astray.

David Rind has not posted in this thread.

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

On 30 Apr, 15:28, MarilynMann <m...@comcast.net> wrote:
> .tonys . . wrote
>
> . . write as an elderly non scientist withheartproblems, who
> genuinely wants to know what the score is.
>
> Keep an eye out for David Rind's posts. He graciously takes pity on
> us and sets us straight when we go astray.
>
> Marilyn

Thank you Marilyn. I have come across David Rind's postings in
connection with a posting of my own concerning the efficacy of
statins. Because I was, and still am, unpersuaded by the evidence, he
seemed to think that I had a mind irreversibly made up.

tony.

On 4 May 2007 09:33:04 -0700, tonyzsims@yahoo.com wrote:

>On 30 Apr, 15:28, MarilynMann <m...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> .tonys . . wrote
>>
>> . . write as an elderly non scientist withheartproblems, who
>> genuinely wants to know what the score is.
>>
>> Keep an eye out for David Rind's posts. He graciously takes pity on
>> us and sets us straight when we go astray.
>>
>> Marilyn
>
>Thank you Marilyn. I have come across David Rind's postings in
>connection with a posting of my own concerning the efficacy of
>statins. Because I was, and still am, unpersuaded by the evidence, he
>seemed to think that I had a mind irreversibly made up.
>
>tony.

cross psoted threads like this are useless to everyone.