Re: The Fat Virus

convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> "A virus that has been linked to obesity in animals and humans works by
> converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain
> weight and harder to lose it, researchers reported this week."
>
> As reported in the August 25 LA Times, a study with this conclusion was
> presented to the American Chemical Society last week. AD-36
> (adenovirus-36) causes respiratory and eye infections, and patients
> often gain excess weight after a bout with it. Animals have shown the
> same tendency. While around 11% of the non-0bese have antibodies for
> the virus, 30% of the obese have them.
>
> Other parallel studies have shown the conversion of stem cells to fat
> cells under the influence of the virus. If this finding can be
> confirmed it could conceivably lead to a vaccine for obesity.
> The short LA Times article is at
> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...1,168036.story

AD-36 infection results in lowered serum lipids and increased insulin
sensitivity in Wistar rats while inducing adiposity.

Source:

http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/c...act/14/11/1905

This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is
associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin
sensitivity.

The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to
AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise
from their obesity rather than AD-36 infection causing their obesity.
It is possible that AD-36 infection may be keeping some of our obese
folks from having more VAT by diverting it to SCAT so that there would
be a lowering of serum lipids and an increase in insulin sensitivity.
The PPAR gamma agonists work in this manner as insulin sensitizers and
lead to weight gain because people have an irrational compulsion to
eat more when they are hungrier (healthier) because the world's great
lie about hunger keeps them from knowing any better.

Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and
singing :-) that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> "A virus that has been linked to obesity in animals and humans works by
> >> converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain
> >> weight and harder to lose it, researchers reported this week."
>
> >> As reported in the August 25 LA Times, a study with this conclusion was
> >> presented to the American Chemical Society last week. AD-36
> >> (adenovirus-36) causes respiratory and eye infections, and patients
> >> often gain excess weight after a bout with it. Animals have shown the
> >> same tendency. While around 11% of the non-0bese have antibodies for
> >> the virus, 30% of the obese have them.
>
> >> Other parallel studies have shown the conversion of stem cells to fat
> >> cells under the influence of the virus. If this finding can be
> >> confirmed it could conceivably lead to a vaccine for obesity.
> >> The short LA Times article is at
> >> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...1,168036.story
>
> >AD-36 infection results in lowered serum lipids and increased insulin
> >sensitivity in Wistar rats while inducing adiposity.
>
> >Source:
>
> >http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/c...act/14/11/1905
>
> Your cite supports the finding of increased obesity in rats . . .

.... with lowered serum lipids and increased insulin sensitivity.

> >This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is
> >associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin
> >sensitivity.
>
> . . . but not in humans. And who is this "we"?

Practicing physicians.

> Exactly where and when are you involved in these types of studies?

It remains unethical as discussed in the cited abstract to infect
people with viruses so that "these types of studies" in humans will
simply not be done.

> >The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to
> >AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise
> >from their obesity rather than AD-36 infection causing their obesity.
> >It is possible that AD-36 infection may be keeping some of our obese
> >folks from having more VAT by diverting it to SCAT so that there would
> >be a lowering of serum lipids and an increase in insulin sensitivity.
> >The PPAR gamma agonists work in this manner as insulin sensitizers and
> >lead to weight gain because people have an irrational compulsion to
> >eat more when they are hungrier (healthier) because the world's great
> >lie about hunger keeps them from knowing any better.
>
> Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with
> me.

Explanation is not argument.

Bottom line:

You remain untruthful.

This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

Our atlanta friend at a loss exclaimed:

> Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with
> me.

"Explanation is not argument."

And neither is evasive play upon words. You did not explain, you
offered an unsupported opinion without benefit of research. Go into any
bar any night of the week and find as much "explanation" as this as you
want.

"Bottom line:

You remain untruthful."

Bottom line, you continue daily to expose that you do not keep current
with research.

You willfully distort research in pursuit of a non-scientific agenda.

You willfull ignore all research which refutes in part and in whole the
agenda.

Bottom line X 2, the truth is not in you and the two pound diet,aka 2 pd
etc., remains trash science.

God bless.

truth@is-best.com wrote:
> Our atlanta friend at a loss exclaimed:
>
>> Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with
>> me.
>
> "Explanation is not argument."
>
> And neither is evasive play upon words. You did not explain, you
> offered an unsupported opinion without benefit of research. Go into any
> bar any night of the week and find as much "explanation" as this as you
> want.
>
> "Bottom line:
>
> You remain untruthful."
>
> Bottom line, you continue daily to expose that you do not keep current
> with research.
>
> You willfully distort research in pursuit of a non-scientific agenda.
>
> You willfull ignore all research which refutes in part and in whole the
> agenda.
>
> Bottom line X 2, the truth is not in you and the two pound diet,aka 2 pd
> etc., remains trash science.
>
> God bless.

And the bottom line with you is the fact that you retain your
anonymity to protect you from any libel suits directed your way
AND any possible criminal charges for stalking and harassment as
well.

As a complete stranger, having read many of your posts and replied
several times I wouldn't put any trust in a person that harasses others
and stalks Andrew then makes the claims that he is dishonest, when you
have so much of your own deviousness exposed!

You're remarkably dishonest!

>> Our atlanta friend at a loss exclaimed:
>>
>>> Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with
>>> me.
>>
>> "Explanation is not argument."
>>
>> And neither is evasive play upon words. You did not explain, you
>> offered an unsupported opinion without benefit of research. Go into any
>> bar any night of the week and find as much "explanation" as this as you
>> want.
>>
>> "Bottom line:
>>
>> You remain untruthful."
>>
>> Bottom line, you continue daily to expose that you do not keep current
>> with research.
>>
>> You willfully distort research in pursuit of a non-scientific agenda.
>>
>> You willfull ignore all research which refutes in part and in whole the
>> agenda.
>>
>> Bottom line X 2, the truth is not in you and the two pound diet,aka 2 pd
>> etc., remains trash science.
>>
>> God bless.
>
> And the bottom line with you is the fact that you retain your
>anonymity to protect you from any libel suits directed your way
>AND any possible criminal charges for stalking and harassment as
>well.
>
> As a complete stranger, having read many of your posts and replied
>several times I wouldn't put any trust in a person that harasses others
>and stalks Andrew then makes the claims that he is dishonest, when you
>have so much of your own deviousness exposed!
>
> You're remarkably dishonest!

I turn to yu my other cheek.

God bless.

Rod wrote:
> truth@is-best.com wrote:
<snip>
If you wan to play kissy with the Ching troll,,. go right ahead, but
take it off of the newsgroups
Andrew needs hospitalization, what is your excuse?

ted rosenberg wrote:
> Rod wrote:
>> truth@is-best.com wrote:
> <snip>
> If you wan to play kissy with the Ching troll,,. go right ahead, but
> take it off of the newsgroups
> Andrew needs hospitalization, what is your excuse?


Prove your claims, that should be easy for you if there is anything to
them besides "whining".......

satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> friend Rod wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2fb9db418fdd2?
> >>
> >> "Explanation is not argument."
> >>
> >> And neither is evasive play upon words. You did not explain, you
> >> offered an unsupported opinion without benefit of research. Go into any
> >> bar any night of the week and find as much "explanation" as this as you
> >> want.
> >>
> >> "Bottom line:
> >>
> >> You remain untruthful."
> >>
> >> Bottom line, you continue daily to expose that you do not keep current
> >> with research.
> >>
> >> You willfully distort research in pursuit of a non-scientific agenda.
> >>
> >> You willfull ignore all research which refutes in part and in whole the
> >> agenda.
> >>
> >> Bottom line X 2, the truth is not in you and the two pound diet,aka 2 pd
> >> etc., remains trash science.
> >>
> >> God bless.
> >
> > And the bottom line with you is the fact that you retain your
> >anonymity to protect you from any libel suits directed your way
> >AND any possible criminal charges for stalking and harassment as
> >well.
> >
> > As a complete stranger, having read many of your posts and replied
> >several times I wouldn't put any trust in a person that harasses others
> >and stalks Andrew then makes the claims that he is dishonest, when you
> >have so much of your own deviousness exposed!
> >
> > You're remarkably dishonest!
>
> I turn to yu my other cheek.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan.

Laus Deo !

In Jesus' awesome name, I rebuke you yet again, satan.

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

> > >>
> > >> "Explanation is not argument."
> > >>
> > >>


yes it is

friend Rod wrote:
> satan, via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon), hissed:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > "Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> > > you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan."
> >
> > Smile, you know full well the scripture to which the above alludes.
>
> Yes, I do as well, and if I have offended you then please forgive me,
> and I will try all the harder to keep from doing it again.

We are not to cover up the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.

Indeed, we expect satan to be offended by HIS light coming from our
hearts.

Your confronting satan with his dishonesty was a rebuke.

This rebuke did hurt satan as a slap would hurt a man.

Yes, we are to offer the other cheek when slapped.

So, satan mocks you here by offering his other cheek when you rebuked
him.

If you choose to rebuke satan, in Jesus' awesome name, it will hurt
him so badly that it would be like our being struck in the face with
an aluminum alloy baseball bat. There would be no other cheek to offer
after the whole face is torn off.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist






>
>
> >
> > I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended.
> >
> > God bless.
>
> Look, this charade has gone on long enough. The 2 PD Omer Approach
> is working for me, I'm happy seeing the weight melt away, eating less
> and I am content to wait and see if it cures the diabetes. If it does
> not then so be it, for I have gained much by losing the weight that I
> have, and met a brother in Christ. If you also ARE a brother in Christ
> then stop hiding from me and let me know it, otherwise I cannot treat
> you as a brother if I cannot confirm that you are, after all even a
> devil can quote scripture. I seek only to establish a bond between
> brothers of the LORD, I don't want your accumulated wealth or your
> firstborn child.
>
>
> Rod