Re: God does not want ' robots ' you say ? Your ' free will ' is a gift of God.

Pastor Frank wrote:
> "old man joe" <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > one of the most incongruous doctrines ever to be taught from the
> > pulpit these days ( as well as Newsgroups ) is summed up in the phrase
> > " God does not want robots so He gave us ' free will ' to choose
> > Christ or not ".
> >
> That's because we read in Jn:1:9: "That was the true Light, which
> lighteth EVERY man that cometh
> into the world". (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
> Also, Christ said clearly, He did not come for the elect which are
> whole, not sick and need no repentance, but He come solely for the lost, for
> the reprobates.
> Calvinists believe the opposite, i.e. in selective redemption, that
> Christ came solely for the redemption of the elect, and that no "true light
> lighteth every man" but only "lighteth" the elect.
> It's a doctrine from hell!!!! See below references
>
> Pastor Frank
>
> THE DOCTRINE OF FREE WILL
> Jesus in Luke 19:10: For the Son of Man has come to seek and save
> that which is lost. (meaning reprobates, not the elect!!!!!!)
> Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are
> whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to
> call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (again not the elect!!!!)
> Jesus in Luke 15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven
> over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons,
> which need no repentance. (not just the elect, but any "repentant sinner")
> Jesus in Mt:7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall
> find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh
> receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be
> opened. (Not just the elect, but "everyone that seeks, asks, knocks")
> Jesus in Mt:10:22: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:
> but he that endureth to the end SHALL be saved. (not just the elect, but "he
> that endureth")
> Jn:1:9: That was the true Light, which lighteth EVERY man that cometh
> into the world. (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
> Romans 10:13: For Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord WILL be
> saved. (Not just the elect, but "whosoever will")
> I Tim 2:3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our
> Saviour; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the
> knowledge of the truth. (again, NOT just the elect, but "all men")
> 2Pt:3:9: The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL
> should come to repentance. (God creates none reprobates who "should perish")
> Act 2:21; And it shall come to pass that WHOSOEVER shall call on the
> name of the Lord shall be saved. (Not just the elect, but whoever)
> Rom 10:9-10; that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and
> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you SHALL be
> saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in right-eousness, and
> with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (He speaks of mankind
> here, not just the elect)
> Rev 3:20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My
> voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and
> he with Me. (Anyone does not mean *just the elect*)
> Rev 22:17: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that
> heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER will,
> let him take the water of life freely. (again: Not just the elect, but
> "whoever will")
> ------------------
> To sum up the Doctrine of Election, we may say, that The Elect of God
> are the "whosoever will" class, who CHOSE to take the water of life freely
> and repent of their sins. And the non-elect or reprobates are the
> "whosoever will not" class who CHOSE to reject the Gospel.
> Also: God's Plan For Man, Finis Jennings Dake, Pg 620
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

Indeed, without GOD's generous gift of free will, there can be no love
in our hearts for GOD much less all our neighbors including those who
bear us enmity:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/freewill.asp

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear brother
Frank whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love2@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1165864679.128885.58120@j72g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "old man joe" <not@home.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > one of the most incongruous doctrines ever to be taught from the
>> > pulpit these days ( as well as Newsgroups ) is summed up in the phrase
>> > " God does not want robots so He gave us ' free will ' to choose
>> > Christ or not ".
>> >
>> That's because we read in Jn:1:9: "That was the true Light, which
>> lighteth EVERY man that cometh
>> into the world". (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
>> Also, Christ said clearly, He did not come for the elect which are
>> whole, not sick and need no repentance, but He come solely for the lost,
>> for
>> the reprobates.
>> Calvinists believe the opposite, i.e. in selective redemption, that
>> Christ came solely for the redemption of the elect, and that no "true
>> light
>> lighteth every man" but only "lighteth" the elect.
>> It's a doctrine from hell!!!! See below references
>>
>> Pastor Frank
>>
>> THE DOCTRINE OF FREE WILL
>> Jesus in Luke 19:10: For the Son of Man has come to seek and save
>> that which is lost. (meaning reprobates, not the elect!!!!!!)
>> Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that
>> are
>> whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not
>> to
>> call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (again not the elect!!!!)
>> Jesus in Luke 15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in
>> heaven
>> over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just
>> persons,
>> which need no repentance. (not just the elect, but any "repentant
>> sinner")
>> Jesus in Mt:7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall
>> find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh
>> receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall
>> be
>> opened. (Not just the elect, but "everyone that seeks, asks, knocks")
>> Jesus in Mt:10:22: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's
>> sake:
>> but he that endureth to the end SHALL be saved. (not just the elect, but
>> "he
>> that endureth")
>> Jn:1:9: That was the true Light, which lighteth EVERY man that cometh
>> into the world. (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
>> Romans 10:13: For Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord WILL be
>> saved. (Not just the elect, but "whosoever will")
>> I Tim 2:3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our
>> Saviour; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the
>> knowledge of the truth. (again, NOT just the elect, but "all men")
>> 2Pt:3:9: The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL
>> should come to repentance. (God creates none reprobates who "should
>> perish")
>> Act 2:21; And it shall come to pass that WHOSOEVER shall call on the
>> name of the Lord shall be saved. (Not just the elect, but whoever)
>> Rom 10:9-10; that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and
>> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you SHALL be
>> saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in right-eousness, and
>> with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (He speaks of
>> mankind
>> here, not just the elect)
>> Rev 3:20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My
>> voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him,
>> and
>> he with Me. (Anyone does not mean *just the elect*)
>> Rev 22:17: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that
>> heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER will,
>> let him take the water of life freely. (again: Not just the elect, but
>> "whoever will")
>> ------------------
>> To sum up the Doctrine of Election, we may say, that The Elect of God
>> are the "whosoever will" class, who CHOSE to take the water of life
>> freely
>> and repent of their sins. And the non-elect or reprobates are the
>> "whosoever will not" class who CHOSE to reject the Gospel.
>> Also: God's Plan For Man, Finis Jennings Dake, Pg 620
>> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> Indeed, without GOD's generous gift of free will, there can be no love
> in our hearts for GOD much less all our neighbors including those who
> bear us enmity:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/freewill.asp
>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
> diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
> neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear brother
> Frank whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>

Is free will free if all you do is obey orders without thought?


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet

Denis Loubet wrote:

> Is free will free if all you do is obey orders without thought?

YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!

i am officially in love with Denis and am marryin' him on next
thursday.

"WILL" in itself denotes strength, volition, assertion, determination.

Free will is a voluntary decision, personal choices that are NOT
determined by divine forces. the POWER to make choices without
constraints of fate of divine will, the ability to think, choose and
act voluntarily determines free will.

it is not an entitlement or a birth right and is ascertained by the
WILL to have free will. it comes with responsibility to the agenda
you're "exercising" free will within. exercising free will is taking
the steps necessary to MAKE that voluntary decision and personal choice
HAVE POWER over constraints of divinity or fate.

free will is a manifestation of one's internal strength. once acquired,
it's alotted to manage and appropriate with forethought and thought.
free will gives consideration to the repercussions, the consequences,
the pay-off/s that it offers, should free will be exercised.

free will is not a right, it's a privilege earned through achievement.

i just get so sick'ah that "free will" and "god's will" crap, so i went
off on'ah lil tangent.

S'PRISE !

Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> "old man joe" <not@home.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > one of the most incongruous doctrines ever to be taught from the
> >> > pulpit these days ( as well as Newsgroups ) is summed up in the phrase
> >> > " God does not want robots so He gave us ' free will ' to choose
> >> > Christ or not ".
> >> >
> >> That's because we read in Jn:1:9: "That was the true Light, which
> >> lighteth EVERY man that cometh
> >> into the world". (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
> >> Also, Christ said clearly, He did not come for the elect which are
> >> whole, not sick and need no repentance, but He come solely for the lost,
> >> for
> >> the reprobates.
> >> Calvinists believe the opposite, i.e. in selective redemption, that
> >> Christ came solely for the redemption of the elect, and that no "true
> >> light
> >> lighteth every man" but only "lighteth" the elect.
> >> It's a doctrine from hell!!!! See below references
> >>
> >> Pastor Frank
> >>
> >> THE DOCTRINE OF FREE WILL
> >> Jesus in Luke 19:10: For the Son of Man has come to seek and save
> >> that which is lost. (meaning reprobates, not the elect!!!!!!)
> >> Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that
> >> are
> >> whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not
> >> to
> >> call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (again not the elect!!!!)
> >> Jesus in Luke 15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in
> >> heaven
> >> over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just
> >> persons,
> >> which need no repentance. (not just the elect, but any "repentant
> >> sinner")
> >> Jesus in Mt:7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall
> >> find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh
> >> receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall
> >> be
> >> opened. (Not just the elect, but "everyone that seeks, asks, knocks")
> >> Jesus in Mt:10:22: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's
> >> sake:
> >> but he that endureth to the end SHALL be saved. (not just the elect, but
> >> "he
> >> that endureth")
> >> Jn:1:9: That was the true Light, which lighteth EVERY man that cometh
> >> into the world. (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
> >> Romans 10:13: For Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord WILL be
> >> saved. (Not just the elect, but "whosoever will")
> >> I Tim 2:3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our
> >> Saviour; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the
> >> knowledge of the truth. (again, NOT just the elect, but "all men")
> >> 2Pt:3:9: The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL
> >> should come to repentance. (God creates none reprobates who "should
> >> perish")
> >> Act 2:21; And it shall come to pass that WHOSOEVER shall call on the
> >> name of the Lord shall be saved. (Not just the elect, but whoever)
> >> Rom 10:9-10; that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and
> >> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you SHALL be
> >> saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in right-eousness, and
> >> with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (He speaks of
> >> mankind
> >> here, not just the elect)
> >> Rev 3:20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My
> >> voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him,
> >> and
> >> he with Me. (Anyone does not mean *just the elect*)
> >> Rev 22:17: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that
> >> heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER will,
> >> let him take the water of life freely. (again: Not just the elect, but
> >> "whoever will")
> >> ------------------
> >> To sum up the Doctrine of Election, we may say, that The Elect of God
> >> are the "whosoever will" class, who CHOSE to take the water of life
> >> freely
> >> and repent of their sins. And the non-elect or reprobates are the
> >> "whosoever will not" class who CHOSE to reject the Gospel.
> >> Also: God's Plan For Man, Finis Jennings Dake, Pg 620
> >> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> >> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> >> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >
> > Indeed, without GOD's generous gift of free will, there can be no love
> > in our hearts for GOD much less all our neighbors including those who
> > bear us enmity:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/freewill.asp
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
> > diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
> > neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear brother
> > Frank whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
>
> Is free will free if all you do is obey orders without thought?

Would Tanya and I be getting on so smashingly if there has never been a
time when I had not chosen to be obedient to the infinite and perfect
will of my heavenly Father, Creator of heaven and earth ?

Though I am no longer of the world, just as LORD Jesus Christ is not of
this world, there was a time when things were very different.

Tanya senses this and indeed knows this. This is why she is drawn to
me. This has been GOD's plan from the outset. HE loves her that much.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Denis whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love2@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1165923659.984366.42200@80g2000cwy.googlegrou ps.com...
> Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > Pastor Frank wrote:
>> >> "old man joe" <not@home.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > one of the most incongruous doctrines ever to be taught from the
>> >> > pulpit these days ( as well as Newsgroups ) is summed up in the
>> >> > phrase
>> >> > " God does not want robots so He gave us ' free will ' to choose
>> >> > Christ or not ".
>> >> >
>> >> That's because we read in Jn:1:9: "That was the true Light, which
>> >> lighteth EVERY man that cometh
>> >> into the world". (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
>> >> Also, Christ said clearly, He did not come for the elect which are
>> >> whole, not sick and need no repentance, but He come solely for the
>> >> lost,
>> >> for
>> >> the reprobates.
>> >> Calvinists believe the opposite, i.e. in selective redemption,
>> >> that
>> >> Christ came solely for the redemption of the elect, and that no "true
>> >> light
>> >> lighteth every man" but only "lighteth" the elect.
>> >> It's a doctrine from hell!!!! See below references
>> >>
>> >> Pastor Frank
>> >>
>> >> THE DOCTRINE OF FREE WILL
>> >> Jesus in Luke 19:10: For the Son of Man has come to seek and save
>> >> that which is lost. (meaning reprobates, not the elect!!!!!!)
>> >> Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They
>> >> that
>> >> are
>> >> whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came
>> >> not
>> >> to
>> >> call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (again not the
>> >> elect!!!!)
>> >> Jesus in Luke 15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in
>> >> heaven
>> >> over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just
>> >> persons,
>> >> which need no repentance. (not just the elect, but any "repentant
>> >> sinner")
>> >> Jesus in Mt:7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye
>> >> shall
>> >> find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that
>> >> asketh
>> >> receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it
>> >> shall
>> >> be
>> >> opened. (Not just the elect, but "everyone that seeks, asks, knocks")
>> >> Jesus in Mt:10:22: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's
>> >> sake:
>> >> but he that endureth to the end SHALL be saved. (not just the elect,
>> >> but
>> >> "he
>> >> that endureth")
>> >> Jn:1:9: That was the true Light, which lighteth EVERY man that
>> >> cometh
>> >> into the world. (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
>> >> Romans 10:13: For Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord WILL
>> >> be
>> >> saved. (Not just the elect, but "whosoever will")
>> >> I Tim 2:3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our
>> >> Saviour; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the
>> >> knowledge of the truth. (again, NOT just the elect, but "all men")
>> >> 2Pt:3:9: The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that
>> >> ALL
>> >> should come to repentance. (God creates none reprobates who "should
>> >> perish")
>> >> Act 2:21; And it shall come to pass that WHOSOEVER shall call on
>> >> the
>> >> name of the Lord shall be saved. (Not just the elect, but whoever)
>> >> Rom 10:9-10; that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord,
>> >> and
>> >> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you SHALL be
>> >> saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in right-eousness,
>> >> and
>> >> with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (He speaks of
>> >> mankind
>> >> here, not just the elect)
>> >> Rev 3:20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears
>> >> My
>> >> voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with
>> >> him,
>> >> and
>> >> he with Me. (Anyone does not mean *just the elect*)
>> >> Rev 22:17: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him
>> >> that
>> >> heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER
>> >> will,
>> >> let him take the water of life freely. (again: Not just the elect, but
>> >> "whoever will")
>> >> ------------------
>> >> To sum up the Doctrine of Election, we may say, that The Elect of
>> >> God
>> >> are the "whosoever will" class, who CHOSE to take the water of life
>> >> freely
>> >> and repent of their sins. And the non-elect or reprobates are the
>> >> "whosoever will not" class who CHOSE to reject the Gospel.
>> >> Also: God's Plan For Man, Finis Jennings Dake, Pg 620
>> >> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> >> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> >> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>> >
>> > Indeed, without GOD's generous gift of free will, there can be no love
>> > in our hearts for GOD much less all our neighbors including those who
>> > bear us enmity:
>> >
>> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/freewill.asp
>> >
>> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
>> > diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
>> > neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear brother
>> > Frank whom I love unconditionally.
>> >
>> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >
>>
>> Is free will free if all you do is obey orders without thought?
>
> Would Tanya and I be getting on so smashingly if there has never been a
> time when I had not chosen to be obedient to the infinite and perfect
> will of my heavenly Father, Creator of heaven and earth ?

Sure. Why not?

So I ask again, is free will free if all you do is obey orders without
thought?


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet

Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> >> "old man joe" <not@home.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > one of the most incongruous doctrines ever to be taught from the
> >> >> > pulpit these days ( as well as Newsgroups ) is summed up in the
> >> >> > phrase
> >> >> > " God does not want robots so He gave us ' free will ' to choose
> >> >> > Christ or not ".
> >> >> >
> >> >> That's because we read in Jn:1:9: "That was the true Light, which
> >> >> lighteth EVERY man that cometh
> >> >> into the world". (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
> >> >> Also, Christ said clearly, He did not come for the elect which are
> >> >> whole, not sick and need no repentance, but He come solely for the
> >> >> lost,
> >> >> for
> >> >> the reprobates.
> >> >> Calvinists believe the opposite, i.e. in selective redemption,
> >> >> that
> >> >> Christ came solely for the redemption of the elect, and that no "true
> >> >> light
> >> >> lighteth every man" but only "lighteth" the elect.
> >> >> It's a doctrine from hell!!!! See below references
> >> >>
> >> >> Pastor Frank
> >> >>
> >> >> THE DOCTRINE OF FREE WILL
> >> >> Jesus in Luke 19:10: For the Son of Man has come to seek and save
> >> >> that which is lost. (meaning reprobates, not the elect!!!!!!)
> >> >> Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They
> >> >> that
> >> >> are
> >> >> whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came
> >> >> not
> >> >> to
> >> >> call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (again not the
> >> >> elect!!!!)
> >> >> Jesus in Luke 15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in
> >> >> heaven
> >> >> over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just
> >> >> persons,
> >> >> which need no repentance. (not just the elect, but any "repentant
> >> >> sinner")
> >> >> Jesus in Mt:7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye
> >> >> shall
> >> >> find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that
> >> >> asketh
> >> >> receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it
> >> >> shall
> >> >> be
> >> >> opened. (Not just the elect, but "everyone that seeks, asks, knocks")
> >> >> Jesus in Mt:10:22: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's
> >> >> sake:
> >> >> but he that endureth to the end SHALL be saved. (not just the elect,
> >> >> but
> >> >> "he
> >> >> that endureth")
> >> >> Jn:1:9: That was the true Light, which lighteth EVERY man that
> >> >> cometh
> >> >> into the world. (not only the elect, but "EVERY MAN")
> >> >> Romans 10:13: For Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord WILL
> >> >> be
> >> >> saved. (Not just the elect, but "whosoever will")
> >> >> I Tim 2:3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our
> >> >> Saviour; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the
> >> >> knowledge of the truth. (again, NOT just the elect, but "all men")
> >> >> 2Pt:3:9: The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that
> >> >> ALL
> >> >> should come to repentance. (God creates none reprobates who "should
> >> >> perish")
> >> >> Act 2:21; And it shall come to pass that WHOSOEVER shall call on
> >> >> the
> >> >> name of the Lord shall be saved. (Not just the elect, but whoever)
> >> >> Rom 10:9-10; that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord,
> >> >> and
> >> >> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you SHALL be
> >> >> saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in right-eousness,
> >> >> and
> >> >> with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. (He speaks of
> >> >> mankind
> >> >> here, not just the elect)
> >> >> Rev 3:20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears
> >> >> My
> >> >> voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with
> >> >> him,
> >> >> and
> >> >> he with Me. (Anyone does not mean *just the elect*)
> >> >> Rev 22:17: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him
> >> >> that
> >> >> heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER
> >> >> will,
> >> >> let him take the water of life freely. (again: Not just the elect, but
> >> >> "whoever will")
> >> >> ------------------
> >> >> To sum up the Doctrine of Election, we may say, that The Elect of
> >> >> God
> >> >> are the "whosoever will" class, who CHOSE to take the water of life
> >> >> freely
> >> >> and repent of their sins. And the non-elect or reprobates are the
> >> >> "whosoever will not" class who CHOSE to reject the Gospel.
> >> >> Also: God's Plan For Man, Finis Jennings Dake, Pg 620
> >> >> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> >> >> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> >> >> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >> >
> >> > Indeed, without GOD's generous gift of free will, there can be no love
> >> > in our hearts for GOD much less all our neighbors including those who
> >> > bear us enmity:
> >> >
> >> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/freewill.asp
> >> >
> >> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
> >> > diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
> >> > neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear brother
> >> > Frank whom I love unconditionally.
> >> >
> >> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >> Is free will free if all you do is obey orders without thought?
> >
> > Would Tanya and I be getting on so smashingly if there has never been a
> > time when I had not chosen to be obedient to the infinite and perfect
> > will of my heavenly Father, Creator of heaven and earth ?
>
> Sure. Why not?

Because that would not be Tanya's style.

> So I ask again, is free will free if all you do is obey orders without
> thought?

Again, not applicable here because as a sinner, by definition, I obey
GOD with a history of not obeying HIM.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Denis whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love




>
> --
> Denis Loubet
> dloubet@io.com
> http//www.io.com/~dloubet

Sick cyuberstalker Earthquack wrote:


> > > Would Tanya and I be getting on so smashingly.......

Hey! Tanya! ;-)