Re: Mimicing Heart Problems?

convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
>
> > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
> >
> > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > problems.
> >
> > Port
>
> How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?

By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
hunger).

One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).

It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 24, 2:55 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
>
> > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
>
> > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > problems.
>
> > > Port
>
> > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
>
> By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> hunger).
>
> One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
>
> It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?

convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
> >
> > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > problems.
> >
> > > > Port
> >
> > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
> >
> > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > hunger).
> >
> > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
> >
> > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?

Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 24, 4:11 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
>
> > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > problems.
>
> > > > > Port
>
> > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
>
> > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > hunger).
>
> > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
>
> > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
>
> > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
>
> Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
> >
> > > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > > problems.
> >
> > > > > > Port
> >
> > > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
> >
> > > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > > hunger).
> >
> > > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
> >
> > > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
> >
> > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
> >
> > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
> >
> > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
>
> What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?

For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
reason for most if not all other medical problems.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 24, 6:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
>
> > > > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > > > problems.
>
> > > > > > > Port
>
> > > > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
>
> > > > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > > > hunger).
>
> > > > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
>
> > > > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
>
> > > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> > > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> > > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
>
> > > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
>
> > What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
>
> For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
> reason for most if not all other medical problems.
In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart
beats and blood flow changes?
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
> >
> > > > > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > > > > problems.
> >
> > > > > > > > Port
> >
> > > > > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
> >
> > > > > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > > > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > > > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > > > > hunger).
> >
> > > > > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > > > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
> >
> > > > > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > > > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
> >
> > > > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > > > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
> >
> > > > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
> >
> > > > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
> >
> > > What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
> >
> > For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
> > reason for most if not all other medical problems.
>
> In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart
> beats and blood flow changes?

Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 25, 1:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
>
> > > > > > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > > > > > problems.
>
> > > > > > > > > Port
>
> > > > > > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
>
> > > > > > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > > > > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > > > > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > > > > > hunger).
>
> > > > > > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > > > > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
>
> > > > > > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > > > > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
>
> > > > > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> > > > > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> > > > > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
>
> > > > > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
>
> > > > What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
>
> > > For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
> > > reason for most if not all other medical problems.
>
> > In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart
> > beats and blood flow changes?
>
> Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
exposure resuting pain?
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > > > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > > > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > > > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > > > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > > > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > > > > > > problems.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Port
> >
> > > > > > > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
> >
> > > > > > > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > > > > > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > > > > > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > > > > > > hunger).
> >
> > > > > > > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > > > > > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
> >
> > > > > > > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > > > > > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
> >
> > > > > > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > > > > > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
> >
> > > > > > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
> >
> > > > > > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
> >
> > > > > What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
> >
> > > > For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
> > > > reason for most if not all other medical problems.
> >
> > > In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart
> > > beats and blood flow changes?
> >
> > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> exposure resuting pain?

Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
generation.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

Hi Andrew,

you are fond of using some email-address on the general format of
heartdocXX@emorycardiology.com,

and for some reason also of using multiple identities via a variation of
the numericals XX, it may be because you seem to have an issue with spam
filters or it may be to make it look more like the real thing, ie. a
real affiliation to Emory University.

You do seem to intentionally convey the impreesion that you are employed
by Emory's Department of Medicine and speaking on their behalf.

Interestingly they also use the addressformat nameXX.domainname.root. I
don't know whether they want to be associated with your tribal medicine
man approach to reality.

See also http://medicine.emory.edu/cardio/admin_staff.cfm, easy to find
via a web search for Emory Cardiology ....


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Peter Larsen wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> you are fond of using some email-address on the general format of
> heartdocXX@emorycardiology.com,
>
> and for some reason also of using multiple identities via a variation of
> the numericals XX, it may be because you seem to have an issue with spam
> filters or it may be to make it look more like the real thing, ie. a
> real affiliation to Emory University.
>
> You do seem to intentionally convey the impreesion that you are employed
> by Emory's Department of Medicine and speaking on their behalf.
>
> Interestingly they also use the addressformat nameXX.domainname.root. I
> don't know whether they want to be associated with your tribal medicine
> man approach to reality.
>
> See also http://medicine.emory.edu/cardio/admin_staff.cfm, easy to find
> via a web search for Emory Cardiology ....
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen


There sure are a lot of adjunct faculty. Considering that Chung did a
lot of work there, including his PhD and his fellowship, you would think
that they would want him to be a adjunct faculty and have medical
students rotate through his busy practice as they do their cardiology
and medicine rotations. It's a sad statement that they don't.

Well, at least Chung can make one more service to Emory ... If he checks
off the "anatomic" donation on his license application.

Jeff

convicted neighbor Jeff Utz wrote:
> convicted neighbor Peter Larsen wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...0914276d2be7b?
>
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > you are fond of using some email-address on the general format of
> > heartdocXX@emorycardiology.com,

It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write.

> > and for some reason also of using multiple identities via a variation of
> > the numericals XX,

It remains my choice to not use pseudonyms.

> > it may be because you seem to have an issue with spam
> > filters or it may be to make it look more like the real thing, ie. a
> > real affiliation to Emory University.

The domain is real:

http://EmoryCardiology.com

> > You do seem to intentionally convey the impreesion that you are employed
> > by Emory's Department of Medicine and speaking on their behalf.

Not for those with discerning hearts.

> > Interestingly they also use the addressformat nameXX.domainname.root. I
> > don't know whether they want to be associated with your tribal medicine
> > man approach to reality.

Eating less down to the optimal amount (32 ounces) is hardly tribal
medicine.

> > See also http://medicine.emory.edu/cardio/admin_staff.cfm, easy to find
> > via a web search for Emory Cardiology ....
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Peter Larsen

Clearly the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you, dear
neighbor Peter:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

> There sure are a lot of adjunct faculty. Considering that Chung did a
> lot of work there, including his PhD and his fellowship, you would think
> that they would want him to be a adjunct faculty and have medical
> students rotate through his busy practice as they do their cardiology
> and medicine rotations.

In truth, have not pursued an adjunct faculty position with Emory
University.

They have known for a long time that the 2PD-OMER Approach is the good
work that GOD has prepared in advance for me to do.

Then again, you have known this for a long time too :-)

> It's a sad statement that they don't.

Being in the middle of GOD's perfect will curing obesity is not sad.

> Well, at least Chung can make one more service to Emory ... If he checks
> off the "anatomic" donation on his license application.

Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 25, 9:53 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > > > > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > > > > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > > > > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > > > > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > > > > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > > > > > > > problems.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Port
>
> > > > > > > > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
>
> > > > > > > > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > > > > > > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > > > > > > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > > > > > > > hunger).
>
> > > > > > > > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > > > > > > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
>
> > > > > > > > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > > > > > > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
>
> > > > > > > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> > > > > > > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> > > > > > > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
>
> > > > > > > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
>
> > > > > > What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
>
> > > > > For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
> > > > > reason for most if not all other medical problems.
>
> > > > In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart
> > > > beats and blood flow changes?
>
> > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > exposure resuting pain?
>
> Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> generation.
How?
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.

Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"

If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
PKG (protein kinase G) plays a crucial part in regulating our blood
pressure

convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > > > > > > > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > > > > > > > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > > > > > > > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > > > > > > > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > > > > > > > > > problems.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Port
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > > > > > > > > > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > > > > > > > > > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > > > > > > > > > hunger).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > > > > > > > > > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > > > > > > > > > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
> >
> > > > > > > > > Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
> >
> > > > > > > > Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
> >
> > > > > > > What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
> >
> > > > > > For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
> > > > > > reason for most if not all other medical problems.
> >
> > > > > In general, Can such conditions be relating to those which need heart
> > > > > beats and blood flow changes?
> >
> > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
> >
> > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > exposure resuting pain?
> >
> > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > generation.
>
> How?

Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.

> 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
> Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
> involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
>
> Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
> oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
> is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
>
> If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?

No.

Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological.

Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing)
that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 26, 1:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > exposure resuting pain?
>
> > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > generation.
>
> > How?
>
> Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it? Pressure, heat and acidic
conditions can be sensation to nerves?
> > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
> > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
> > involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
>
> > Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
> > oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
> > is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
> >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
>
> > If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
>
> No.
>
> Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological.
>
> Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing)
> that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
> >
> > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > exposure resuting pain?
> >
> > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > generation.
> >
> > > How?
> >
> > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
>
> Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?

It is not.

> Pressure, heat and acidic
> conditions can be sensation to nerves?

Inflammation.

> > > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
> > > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
> > > involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
> >
> > > Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
> > > oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
> > > is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
> > >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
> >
> > > If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological.
> >
> > Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing)
> > that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 26, 5:00 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> > > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > > exposure resuting pain?
>
> > > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > > generation.
>
> > > > How?
>
> > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
>
> > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
>
> It is not.
>
> > Pressure, heat and acidic
> > conditions be sensation to nerves?
>
> Inflammation.
Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli.
Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation?
>
>
>
>
> > > > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
> > > > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
> > > > involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
>
> > > > Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
> > > > oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
> > > > is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
> > > >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
>
> > > > If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
>
> > > No.
>
> > > Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological.
>
> > > Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing)
> > > that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.
>
> > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
> >
> > > > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > > > exposure resuting pain?
> >
> > > > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > > > generation.
> >
> > > > > How?
> >
> > > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
> >
> > > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
> >
> > It is not.
> >
> > > Pressure, heat and acidic
> > > conditions be sensation to nerves?
> >
> > Inflammation.

> Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli.
> Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation?

All three because inflammation is the nonspecific effect of damage
occurring at the cellular level.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Aug 26, 10:02 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> > > > > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > > > > exposure resuting pain?
>
> > > > > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > > > > generation.
>
> > > > > > How?
>
> > > > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
>
> > > > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
>
> > > It is not.
>
> > > > Pressure, heat and acidic
> > > > conditions be sensation to nerves?
>
> > > Inflammation.
> > Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli.
> > Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation?
>
> All three because inflammation is the nonspecific effect of damage
> occurring at the cellular level.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I've read through a few of your responses to diet in general, if you
are a doctor, then you know that VAT is at least a little important as
it provides protection not only from temperature extremes, but also
the age old famine. Is it not also the dramatice loss of VAT which
leads a doctor to decifer potentially life threatening metabolic
disorders. It seems to me that you should be a little concerned that
your message of healthy as being hungry and hungrier as being blessed,
is bordering on "Long Live Ed" and "Ed is my friend"...in other words
I hope, for the sake of your medical lisence (if you really have
one)that you are not condoning behavoirs and a mind set which bring
people closer to Anorexia--because if you are then you are also
encouraging people into another extreme of body weight which also
negatvely affects the heart.

On Aug 26, 9:02 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> > > > > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > > > > exposure resuting pain?
>
> > > > > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > > > > generation.
>
> > > > > > How?
>
> > > > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
>
> > > > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
>
> > > It is not.
>
> > > > Pressure, heat and acidic
> > > > conditions be sensation to nerves?
>
> > > Inflammation.
> > Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli.
> > Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation?
>
> All three because inflammation is the nonspecific effect of damage
> occurring at the cellular level.
" Summary of Major Biochemical Causes of Pain:
1. Lactic Acid-increases Bradykinin, the most potent chemical mediator
of inflammation..
A Diet-Induced Pro-InflammatoryState (Excessive amounts of meat, sugar
and refined carbohydrate intake along with deficient quantities of
cold water fish, vegetables and fruits):

1. Increased tissue acidity- activates bradykinin a potent nociceptor
(pain) irritant

2. Inadequate potassium intake- causes alkalosis, ischemia and hypoxia
(reduced blood and oxygen supply)

3. Inadequate magnesium intake- causes increased lactic acid, platelet
aggregation and free radicals
http://www.eimed.com/nutrition.htm "

I think above is a good article on pain and inflammation. Lactic acid
is involved as per this article.


> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > > > > > exposure resuting pain?
> >
> > > > > > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > > > > > generation.
> >
> > > > > > > How?
> >
> > > > > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
> >
> > > > > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
> >
> > > > It is not.
> >
> > > > > Pressure, heat and acidic
> > > > > conditions be sensation to nerves?
> >
> > > > Inflammation.
> > > Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli.
> > > Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation?
> >
> > All three because inflammation is the nonspecific effect of damage
> > occurring at the cellular level.
> " Summary of Major Biochemical Causes of Pain:
> 1. Lactic Acid-increases Bradykinin, the most potent chemical mediator
> of inflammation..
> A Diet-Induced Pro-InflammatoryState (Excessive amounts of meat, sugar
> and refined carbohydrate intake along with deficient quantities of
> cold water fish, vegetables and fruits):
>
> 1. Increased tissue acidity- activates bradykinin a potent nociceptor
> (pain) irritant
>
> 2. Inadequate potassium intake- causes alkalosis, ischemia and hypoxia
> (reduced blood and oxygen supply)
>
> 3. Inadequate magnesium intake- causes increased lactic acid, platelet
> aggregation and free radicals
> http://www.eimed.com/nutrition.htm "
>
> I think above is a good article on pain and inflammation. Lactic acid
> is involved as per this article.

In reality, lactic acid is not involved in the pain and tenderness
arising from inflammation.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist