Re: Overeating?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Ros wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > >
> > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > >
> > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > >
> > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > >
> > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> >
> > What does IR stand for, please?
>
> Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> IR -- Insulin Resistance.
>
> VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
>
> Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> Ros whom I love unconditionally.
Whether following quote is correct;

"The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain. High insulin
levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
excessive sugar intake. A viscous cycle of hyper-insulinemia resulting
in insulin resistance is set up. This in turn creates a "carbohydrate
addict" whose craving for a higher sugar intake continues to increase.
The same dietary factors that cause NIDDM lead to obesity. Eating
refined carbohydrates such as sugar, or carbohydrates that easily
converts into sugar such as yam, potato, or rice, creates more glucose
than the body can handle. Excess glucose then gets stored as fat. As
diabetes sets in, so does lethargy and inactivity, contributing further
to the vicious cycle of weight gain and worsening of diabetes. "
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_do...t/Diabetes.cfm
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...da2d26da0ab97?

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Ros wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > >
> > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > >
> > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > >
> > > What does IR stand for, please?
> >
> > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >
> > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> >
> > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> >
> > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Whether following quote is correct;
>
> "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.

Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.

> High insulin
> levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> excessive sugar intake.

Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."

> A viscous cycle of hyper-insulinemia resulting
> in insulin resistance is set up. This in turn creates a "carbohydrate
> addict" whose craving for a higher sugar intake continues to increase.
> The same dietary factors that cause NIDDM lead to obesity.

Actually, it is the overeating leading to VAT that leads to the
metabolic syndrome (MetS) that subsequently progresses to type-2
diabetes. For some folks, there is not enough subcutaneous adipose
tissue stores to tip the scales to obesity before enough VAT forms to
cause pathology.

> Eating
> refined carbohydrates such as sugar, or carbohydrates that easily
> converts into sugar such as yam, potato, or rice, creates more glucose
> than the body can handle.

Depends on how much is eaten.

> Excess glucose then gets stored as fat.

Actually, glycogen first.

> As
> diabetes sets in, so does lethargy and inactivity, contributing further
> to the vicious cycle of weight gain and worsening of diabetes. "
> http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_do...t/Diabetes.cfm

Incorrect:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Ros wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > >
> > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > >
> > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > >
> > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > >
> > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > >
> > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > >
> > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > >
> > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> > Whether following quote is correct;
> >
> > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
>
> Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
>
> > High insulin
> > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > excessive sugar intake.
>
> Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
reason for overeating. It should also be backed by greed, previous
starvations, some pathology etc.
> > A viscous cycle of hyper-insulinemia resulting
> > in insulin resistance is set up. This in turn creates a "carbohydrate
> > addict" whose craving for a higher sugar intake continues to increase.
> > The same dietary factors that cause NIDDM lead to obesity.
>
> Actually, it is the overeating leading to VAT that leads to the
> metabolic syndrome (MetS) that subsequently progresses to type-2
> diabetes. For some folks, there is not enough subcutaneous adipose
> tissue stores to tip the scales to obesity before enough VAT forms to
> cause pathology.

I think, it is first overeating desire and habit then insulin
resistance then diabetic2 with IR then MetS then to IDDM and then to
advanced diabetic complications?
> > Eating
> > refined carbohydrates such as sugar, or carbohydrates that easily
> > converts into sugar such as yam, potato, or rice, creates more glucose
> > than the body can handle.
>
> Depends on how much is eaten.
Yes. How you make 2lbs common for all foods?
> > Excess glucose then gets stored as fat.
>
> Actually, glycogen first.
Yes. Probably may be maintainance of hyperglycemia first due to
decreased breakdown of energy stores as a result of more and continual
insulin's exposures.
> > As
> > diabetes sets in, so does lethargy and inactivity, contributing further
> > to the vicious cycle of weight gain and worsening of diabetes. "
> > http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_do...t/Diabetes.cfm
>
> Incorrect:
How? As indicated in quote from medical textbook on physiology,
Excercising muscles may not need or need much lesser insulin for
glucose uptake.
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
>
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > >
> > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > >
> > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > >
> > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > >
> > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > >
> > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > >
> > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > >
> > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> >
> > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> >
> > > High insulin
> > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > excessive sugar intake.
> >
> > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
>
> Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> reason for overeating.

It is.

This should be obvious to the most casual observer:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > > >
> > > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > > >
> > > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > > >
> > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > > >
> > > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > > >
> > > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> > >
> > > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> > >
> > > > High insulin
> > > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > > excessive sugar intake.
> > >
> > > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> >
> > Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> > reason for overeating.
>
> It is.
>
> This should be obvious to the most casual observer:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?

Good links thanks. While restricting eating in quantity, should we
avoid outside, cooked, fried or heavy foods and snacks as these may
encourage inflammatory agents, AGEs etc.?

Can VAT be glycolipids which may encourage glyco-oxidation, free
radicals, oxidative stress and inflammatory responses?
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > > > >
> > > > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> > > >
> > > > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> > > >
> > > > > High insulin
> > > > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > > > excessive sugar intake.
> > > >
> > > > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > > > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> > >
> > > Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> > > reason for overeating.
> >
> > It is.
> >
> > This should be obvious to the most casual observer:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?
>
> Good links thanks. While restricting eating in quantity, should we
> avoid outside, cooked, fried or heavy foods and snacks as these may
> encourage inflammatory agents, AGEs etc.?

Personal choice.

> Can VAT be glycolipids which may encourage glyco-oxidation, free
> radicals, oxidative stress and inflammatory responses?

VAT is living tissue that is pathological.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> > > > >
> > > > > > High insulin
> > > > > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > > > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > > > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > > > > excessive sugar intake.
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > > > > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> > > > reason for overeating.
> > >
> > > It is.
> > >
> > > This should be obvious to the most casual observer:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?
> >
> > Good links thanks. While restricting eating in quantity, should we
> > avoid outside, cooked, fried or heavy foods and snacks as these may
> > encourage inflammatory agents, AGEs etc.?
>
> Personal choice.

Can these outside or fried/heavy/lowGI food result into glysylated and
AGEs accumulation and inflammatory responses after absorption?
> > Can VAT be glycolipids which may encourage glyco-oxidation, free
> > radicals, oxidative stress and inflammatory responses?
>
> VAT is living tissue that is pathological.
Do they encourage inflammtory responses or causes inflammatory
responses?
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...ad7fe68478acf?

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > > > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > High insulin
> > > > > > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > > > > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > > > > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > > > > > excessive sugar intake.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > > > > > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> > > > > reason for overeating.
> > > >
> > > > It is.
> > > >
> > > > This should be obvious to the most casual observer:
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?
> > >
> > > Good links thanks. While restricting eating in quantity, should we
> > > avoid outside, cooked, fried or heavy foods and snacks as these may
> > > encourage inflammatory agents, AGEs etc.?
> >
> > Personal choice.
>
> Can these outside or fried/heavy/lowGI food result into glysylated and
> AGEs accumulation and inflammatory responses after absorption?

Not in healthy people who don't have significant VAT.

> > > Can VAT be glycolipids which may encourage glyco-oxidation, free
> > > radicals, oxidative stress and inflammatory responses?
> >
> > VAT is living tissue that is pathological.
>
> Do they encourage inflammtory responses or causes inflammatory
> responses?

VAT causes systemic vascular inflammation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2da8faa245013?

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > > > > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > High insulin
> > > > > > > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > > > > > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > > > > > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > > > > > > excessive sugar intake.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > > > > > > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> > > > > > reason for overeating.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is.
> > > > >
> > > > > This should be obvious to the most casual observer:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?
> > > >
> > > > Good links thanks. While restricting eating in quantity, should we
> > > > avoid outside, cooked, fried or heavy foods and snacks as these may
> > > > encourage inflammatory agents, AGEs etc.?
> > >
> > > Personal choice.
> >
> > Can these outside or fried/heavy/lowGI food result into glysylated and
> > AGEs accumulation and inflammatory responses after absorption?
>
> Not in healthy people who don't have significant VAT.
>
> > > > Can VAT be glycolipids which may encourage glyco-oxidation, free
> > > > radicals, oxidative stress and inflammatory responses?
> > >
> > > VAT is living tissue that is pathological.
> >
> > Do they encourage inflammtory responses or causes inflammatory
> > responses?
>
> VAT causes systemic vascular inflammation:
Whether VAT store more triglycride than SAT?
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2da8faa245013?
>
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > > > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > > > > > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > High insulin
> > > > > > > > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > > > > > > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > > > > > > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > > > > > > > excessive sugar intake.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > > > > > > > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> > > > > > > reason for overeating.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This should be obvious to the most casual observer:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?
> > > > >
> > > > > Good links thanks. While restricting eating in quantity, should we
> > > > > avoid outside, cooked, fried or heavy foods and snacks as these may
> > > > > encourage inflammatory agents, AGEs etc.?
> > > >
> > > > Personal choice.
> > >
> > > Can these outside or fried/heavy/lowGI food result into glysylated and
> > > AGEs accumulation and inflammatory responses after absorption?
> >
> > Not in healthy people who don't have significant VAT.
> >
> > > > > Can VAT be glycolipids which may encourage glyco-oxidation, free
> > > > > radicals, oxidative stress and inflammatory responses?
> > > >
> > > > VAT is living tissue that is pathological.
> > >
> > > Do they encourage inflammtory responses or causes inflammatory
> > > responses?
> >
> > VAT causes systemic vascular inflammation:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2da8faa245013?
>
> Whether VAT store more triglycride than SAT?

This varies from cell to cell and person to person.

The focus should wisely remain on the inflammatory cytokines that come
from VAT and not SAT.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Ros wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real enjoyment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > food?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See above.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Already have.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most common.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely affect the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on that other endocrine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organ, the pancreas.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on pancreas/beta cells?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation leading
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell insufficiency over time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What does IR stand for, please?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > IR -- Insulin Resistance.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make the insulin.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
> > > > > > > > > > > Ros whom I love unconditionally.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Whether following quote is correct;
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "The most unrecognized symptom of NIDDM is weight gain.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Weight gain is not a symptom but an objective physical finding.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > High insulin
> > > > > > > > > > levels prohibit the release of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in the
> > > > > > > > > > brain that informs the body to slow down eating. Without serotonin,
> > > > > > > > > > there is a tendency to overeat, which then leads to a spiral of
> > > > > > > > > > excessive sugar intake.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Depends on the personality type and whether a person has been
> > > > > > > > > brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Frankly, I am bit unsatisfied about that brainwashing can only be the
> > > > > > > > reason for overeating.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This should be obvious to the most casual observer:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...dcf43b835714d?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...563448fca4704?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good links thanks. While restricting eating in quantity, should we
> > > > > > avoid outside, cooked, fried or heavy foods and snacks as these may
> > > > > > encourage inflammatory agents, AGEs etc.?
> > > > >
> > > > > Personal choice.
> > > >
> > > > Can these outside or fried/heavy/lowGI food result into glysylated and
> > > > AGEs accumulation and inflammatory responses after absorption?
> > >
> > > Not in healthy people who don't have significant VAT.
> > >
> > > > > > Can VAT be glycolipids which may encourage glyco-oxidation, free
> > > > > > radicals, oxidative stress and inflammatory responses?
> > > > >
> > > > > VAT is living tissue that is pathological.
> > > >
> > > > Do they encourage inflammtory responses or causes inflammatory
> > > > responses?
> > >
> > > VAT causes systemic vascular inflammation:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2da8faa245013?
> >
> > Whether VAT store more triglycride than SAT?
>
> This varies from cell to cell and person to person.
>
> The focus should wisely remain on the inflammatory cytokines that come
> from VAT and not SAT.
Whether excess triglycirides encourage more inflammatory
responses/cytokines?
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Kumar <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com>, the dock labourer, whooped:

> i've been with my b/f 4 3weeks, i want to have sex with him, not yet,
> but i do. ExCePt ... he not a virgin and i really wanted to lose my
> virginity with another virgin. What shall i do ????

Kumar wrote:
> Kumar <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com>, the dock labourer, whooped:
>
> > i've been with my b/f 4 3weeks, i want to have sex with him, not yet,
> > but i do. ExCePt ... he not a virgin and i really wanted to lose my
> > virginity with another virgin. What shall i do ????

I don't know how it is posted?

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
<snip>
> >
> > The focus should wisely remain on the inflammatory cytokines that come
> > from VAT and not SAT.
>
> Whether excess triglycirides encourage more inflammatory
> responses/cytokines?

Hypertriglyceridemia is a feature of metabolic syndrome (MetS) and not
the source of it.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love