Recently diagnosed

Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.

I may as well jump right in!.......

I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
tests.
Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
triglycerides.

Diagnosed me there and then.

I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
a healthy longevitiy.

I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
ears), etc..

But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
sounds scary!

I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
glycaemic immune something or other??

Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!

Cheers,
HB

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
> behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
> to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
> tests.
> Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
> triglycerides.
>
> Diagnosed me there and then.
>
> I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> a healthy longevitiy.
>
> I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> ears), etc..
>
> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> sounds scary!
>
> I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
> point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
> glycaemic immune something or other??
>
> Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!

Hi and welcome! I'm not really sure what a high fiber diet will do for you.
If you do have diabetes, it's the carbs that you want to watch. Not that
high fiber is a bad thing, but you do seem to be eating a lot of carby
foods.

Not sure what GAD is although I have heard of GAD antibodies.

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
> behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
> to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
> tests.
> Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
> triglycerides.
>
> Diagnosed me there and then.
>
> I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> a healthy longevitiy.
>
> I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> ears), etc..
>
> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> sounds scary!
>
> I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
> point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
> glycaemic immune something or other??
>
> Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>
> Cheers,
> HB
>
Hi Helen,
Welcome to ASD. Of course no one minds you jumping right in. Except for why
you had to be here you are most welcome. I am sorry to hear you are not
feeling well. I hope you start to recover soon.

I don't know anything about GAD but others here will and will extend a
helpful hand.

I just wanted to say Hi and Welcome but hang in there and many will come to
your rescue :-)

It sounds like you are starting out right with changing your way of eating.
That is a giant step.

Best wishes and a healthier you :-)

On 21 Sep, 09:11, "Diana" <Di...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
> > Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> > relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> > I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> > I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> > nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> > menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
> > behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
> > to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
> > tests.
> > Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
> > triglycerides.
>
> > Diagnosed me there and then.
>
> > I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> > no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> > a healthy longevitiy.
>
> > I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> > processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> > high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> > basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> > ears), etc..
>
> > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> > do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> > sounds scary!
>
> > I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
> > point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
> > glycaemic immune something or other??
>
> > Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>
> > Cheers,
> > HB
>
> Hi Helen,
> Welcome to ASD. Of course no one minds you jumping right in. Except for why
> you had to be here you are most welcome. I am sorry to hear you are not
> feeling well. I hope you start to recover soon.
>
> I don't know anything about GAD but others here will and will extend a
> helpful hand.
>
> I just wanted to say Hi and Welcome but hang in there and many will come to
> your rescue :-)
>
> It sounds like you are starting out right with changing your way of eating.
> That is a giant step.
>
> Best wishes and a healthier you :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you for the welcome! I dont feel ill anymore, thats the good
thing! Since changing my diet, the nausea and other symptoms seem to
have abated.

On 21 Sep, 09:12, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> > relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> > I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> > I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> > nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> > menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
> > behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
> > to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
> > tests.
> > Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
> > triglycerides.
>
> > Diagnosed me there and then.
>
> > I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> > no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> > a healthy longevitiy.
>
> > I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> > processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> > high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> > basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> > ears), etc..
>
> > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> > do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> > sounds scary!
>
> > I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
> > point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
> > glycaemic immune something or other??
>
> > Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>
> Hi and welcome! I'm not really sure what a high fiber diet will do for you.
> If you do have diabetes, it's the carbs that you want to watch. Not that
> high fiber is a bad thing, but you do seem to be eating a lot of carby
> foods.
>
> Not sure what GAD is although I have heard of GAD antibodies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm still going thro the learning process!! As a guideline, could you
tell me what I should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see
if I am following that already.

I know pasta and rice is carby but its being balanced with protein in
fish, chicken and the plant proteins.

Im eating plenty of fruit - going for the low glycaemic load and
eating the medium/high in moderation.

Lots of green salads, olives, cottage cheese, tomatoes - stuff like
that.

Keeping off sweets, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc - stopped them the
day I got diagnosed!

But if you can see some error in my diet choice, I am all for
listening and learning.

Thank you.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:04:11 -0700, Helen Back
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 21 Sep, 09:12, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
>> > relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>>
>> > I may as well jump right in!.......
>>
>> > I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
>> > nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
>> > menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
>> > behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
>> > to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
>> > tests.
>> > Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
>> > triglycerides.
>>
>> > Diagnosed me there and then.
>>
>> > I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
>> > no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
>> > a healthy longevitiy.
>>
>> > I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
>> > processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
>> > high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
>> > basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
>> > ears), etc..
>>
>> > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
>> > do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
>> > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
>> > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
>> > sounds scary!
>>
>> > I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
>> > point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
>> > glycaemic immune something or other??
>>
>> > Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>>
>> Hi and welcome! I'm not really sure what a high fiber diet will do for you.
>> If you do have diabetes, it's the carbs that you want to watch. Not that
>> high fiber is a bad thing, but you do seem to be eating a lot of carby
>> foods.
>>
>> Not sure what GAD is although I have heard of GAD antibodies.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I'm still going thro the learning process!! As a guideline, could you
>tell me what I should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see
>if I am following that already.
>
>I know pasta and rice is carby but its being balanced with protein in
>fish, chicken and the plant proteins.
>
>Im eating plenty of fruit - going for the low glycaemic load and
>eating the medium/high in moderation.
>
>Lots of green salads, olives, cottage cheese, tomatoes - stuff like
>that.
>
>Keeping off sweets, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc - stopped them the
>day I got diagnosed!
>
>But if you can see some error in my diet choice, I am all for
>listening and learning.
>
>Thank you.

Hi Helen

I'll jump in here rather than your first post if that's OK.

Welcome, by the way:-)

To answer this: "As a guideline, could you tell me what I
should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see if I
am following that already."

The best way is for you to use your meter to discover that
yourself. I say that for two reasons. First, no advice works
better than something you see with your own eyes, such as a
high BG reading after the wrong meal. Second, we are all a
little different; the foods that may be terrible for me may
be fine for you.

There is a third reason. You may find, like I did, that some
foods are OK at one meal and not at others. For example,
many of us are particularly intolerant of carbs at breakfast
but may be able to eat them later in the day.

I notice you didn't mention any meter readings but I presume
that you do own one. I strongly urge you to read this:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm.
That was the single most important advice I received
anywhere after diagnosis.

This is how I incorporated it in my own plan:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

On 21 Sep, 10:23, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:04:11 -0700, Helen Back
>
>
>
>
>
> <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >On 21 Sep, 09:12, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> > Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> >> > relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> >> > I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> >> > I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> >> > nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> >> > menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
> >> > behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
> >> > to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
> >> > tests.
> >> > Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
> >> > triglycerides.
>
> >> > Diagnosed me there and then.
>
> >> > I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> >> > no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> >> > a healthy longevitiy.
>
> >> > I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> >> > processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> >> > high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> >> > basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> >> > ears), etc..
>
> >> > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> >> > do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> >> > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> >> > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> >> > sounds scary!
>
> >> > I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
> >> > point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
> >> > glycaemic immune something or other??
>
> >> > Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>
> >> Hi and welcome! I'm not really sure what a high fiber diet will do for you.
> >> If you do have diabetes, it's the carbs that you want to watch. Not that
> >> high fiber is a bad thing, but you do seem to be eating a lot of carby
> >> foods.
>
> >> Not sure what GAD is although I have heard of GAD antibodies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >I'm still going thro the learning process!! As a guideline, could you
> >tell me what I should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see
> >if I am following that already.
>
> >I know pasta and rice is carby but its being balanced with protein in
> >fish, chicken and the plant proteins.
>
> >Im eating plenty of fruit - going for the low glycaemic load and
> >eating the medium/high in moderation.
>
> >Lots of green salads, olives, cottage cheese, tomatoes - stuff like
> >that.
>
> >Keeping off sweets, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc - stopped them the
> >day I got diagnosed!
>
> >But if you can see some error in my diet choice, I am all for
> >listening and learning.
>
> >Thank you.
>
> Hi Helen
>
> I'll jump in here rather than your first post if that's OK.
>
> Welcome, by the way:-)
>
> To answer this: "As a guideline, could you tell me what I
> should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see if I
> am following that already."
>
> The best way is for you to use your meter to discover that
> yourself. I say that for two reasons. First, no advice works
> better than something you see with your own eyes, such as a
> high BG reading after the wrong meal. Second, we are all a
> little different; the foods that may be terrible for me may
> be fine for you.
>
> There is a third reason. You may find, like I did, that some
> foods are OK at one meal and not at others. For example,
> many of us are particularly intolerant of carbs at breakfast
> but may be able to eat them later in the day.
>
> I notice you didn't mention any meter readings but I presume
> that you do own one. I strongly urge you to read this:http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm.
> That was the single most important advice I received
> anywhere after diagnosis.
>
> This is how I incorporated it in my own plan:http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

HI Alan - Ive saved the links to my favourites and will peruse - it
all looks very helpful and reassuring.

I'm still in the *shock* period at the mo!!

I intend to stick here for advice and support and hopefully be able to
assist other people with the big *D*!!

Thank you ))

Helen Back wrote:
>
> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.

Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.

> I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
> behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
> to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
> tests.
> Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
> triglycerides.

Triglycerides are high with metabolic syndrome (MetS), which is a
condition of insulin resistance (IR) as a consequence of
adipocytokines (poisons) from bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose
tissue or VAT) that has arisen from overeating (eating more than 32
ounce of food per day).

> Diagnosed me there and then.

Not without elevated blood glucose.

> I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> a healthy longevitiy.

Actually, the only way to possibly cure your type-2 diabetes is by
losing the VAT.

The bariatric surgeons know this because their surgery physically
forces a person to eat less thereby losing the VAT and effecting a
cure in many instances.

Indeed, many of these bariatric surgeons are touting their surgery as
a surgical cure for type-2 diabetes.

> I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> ears), etc..
>
> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> sounds scary!
>
> I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
> point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
> glycaemic immune something or other??
>
> Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>
> Cheers,
> HB

May reading the following help you to eat less, down to the optimal
amount to lose the VAT and possibly cure your diabetes:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER

Illustrative example:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

This completely free Approach comes with free cardiologist support via
USENET plus an unprecedented million-dollar guarantee who details have
been freely given and discussed in sci.med.cardiology as archived by
Google:

http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

Welcome!
my only advice is to eat those good foods by what your meter says is ok
ammounts and times.
For example i cant eat lintils much at all they spike me and this was a big
shocker to me.

i can eat a few in soup later in day no problem though.

Post alot and welcome again!

KROM

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
> behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
> to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
> tests.
> Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
> triglycerides.
>
> Diagnosed me there and then.
>
> I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> a healthy longevitiy.
>
> I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> ears), etc..
>
> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> sounds scary!
>
> I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
> point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
> glycaemic immune something or other??
>
> Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>
> Cheers,
> HB
>

Helen Back wrote:
> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.

Welcome Helen.

> I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> ears), etc..

Sounds great! I'd been low-carbing for a decade myself, but recently
tripled my intake of fresh frutis and veggies. It seems there's always
room for improvement with diet.

> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> sounds scary!

It's NOT. Really. I lost control of my bg subsequent to acute
pancreasitis and didn't go on insulin for a year cause I was scared of
it. This was unbelievably stupid of me and it took a heart attack to
turn my stupidity around.

It was partly the needles that scared me, cause I have a needle phobia.
But that wasn't a big deal as it turns out shooting insulin is much
less painful than bg testing. It took about 3 minutes to learn to shoot
insulin and it's really no big deal at all.

But, it was partly that it was *insulin*. We have this idea that
insulin means "extreme" diabetes or something. Doctors threaten
patients, "If you can't get control, we'll *have* to put you on insulin"
as if it were something awful. Myself, I just couldn't get over that my
dad had been a T2 for decades and went on insulin shortly before his
death. It makes the diabetes seem REALLY bad if you need insulin.

It's not like that though. Insulin is the only thing that ALWAYS lowers
bg. Of all the meds we have, it's the most "natural" (especially if you
use Regular). And it's often used to let the pancreas rest, to preserve
your own body's ability to produce insulin... not because the diabetes
is particularly bad, but to prevent it from becoming so.

Like diet and exercise, insulin is an extremely useful tool for diabetics.


--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

Helen Back wrote:
> I'm still going thro the learning process!! As a guideline, could you
> tell me what I should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see
> if I am following that already.

The standard stuff, of course, white flour, white sugar, white rice - is
all crap. But you know that.

As for the other stuff, it is very individual and depends on you.

Generally, carbs are what you need to keep track of, but some people
react differently to one food vs. another, even though the carbs are
similar.

Also, the carb level different people can tolerate varies widely.

The GI index isn't very useful. It's an average bg response by
nondiabetics to various foods. You're not nondiabetic and odds are you
aren't average either. What matters is how various foods effect you.

You find out by testing:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

> I know pasta and rice is carby but its being balanced with protein in
> fish, chicken and the plant proteins.

I can't eat pasta or rice at all... not even whole wheat pasta or brown
rice. I use shredded veggies as "pasta" under sauces... stuff like
shredded zucchini or napa cabbage lightly stirfried.

But you have to test to find out what works for you, some people can eat
more carbs than I can. Obviously, whole grains are better than refined
ones, so the brown rice is better than the pasta.

> Im eating plenty of fruit - going for the low glycaemic load and
> eating the medium/high in moderation.

I eat all kinds of berries and melons - limited to a cup at a time.
Sometimes a whole kiwifruit or a peach.

I find I can tolerate this at lunch or dinner, but not at breakfast.
Which is kind of annoying as breakfast is when I most want fruit. I am
more likely to have an artichoke for breakfast and save the cantalope
for lunch.

But you have to test to find out what works for you.

> Lots of green salads, olives, cottage cheese, tomatoes - stuff like
> that.

I eat lots of those things too. I am very likely to eat cottage cheese
or yogurt instead of meat with many of my meals as I love dairy. I also
use real cream in my coffee. Course, it'd be healthier if I ate fish at
all those meals, but I don't like fish much.

IMO, avocados are especially good if you like them. I often have one
with my salad for lunch. It's very typical for me to have a salad for
lunch and a stirfry for dinner - one really can't over-do the
lowest-carb veggies.

The carbier stuff like onions and tomatoes, I need to eat in measured
amounts. And the *really* carbier stuff like potatoes and corn I can't
tolerate at all.

But you need to test to find out what works for you.

> Keeping off sweets, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc - stopped them the
> day I got diagnosed!

Dark chocolate works for a lot of people. I was using the Lindt 85%
cocoa stuff until recently - it's not sugar-free, just there's so little
sugar in it that it doesn't matter too much.

But I've recently started mixing up my own: melt 4 TB coconut oil, stir
in 1 TB cocoa and 1 TB any-flavor sugar-free DaVinci syrup (acts as both
a flavor and a sweetener). I find I like it a lot more than the dark
stuff - it sort of seems more like a milk chocolate even though there's
no dairy in it. And have a much wider variety of flavors than buying
Lindt; the raspberry and hazelnut have turned out particularly good so far.

> But if you can see some error in my diet choice, I am all for
> listening and learning.

IMO, you're emphasizing whole foods, which is all good.

The details will be worked out by testing to see what works for you.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

Our armchair endo opined:

"Actually, the only way to possibly cure your type-2 diabetes is by
losing the VAT.

The bariatric surgeons know this because their surgery physically forces
a person to eat less thereby losing the VAT and effecting a cure in many
instances."

Actually, no, the improvement in glucose control comes rather quickly,
long before weight loss. Eeven after the surgery and normal weight is
achieved vat will remain. Vat is a normal part of human anadomy and
plays a role by the hormones it produces as an endoctrine gland in
insulin resistance and energy metabolism.

It is the greatly increased incretin response as a result of the surgery
that produces the glucose control seen.

"Indeed, many of these bariatric surgeons are touting their surgery as
a" surgical cure for type-2 diabetes."

"Cure" no, corrective in terms of restoring first phase insulin response
and normal incretin response yes. This is possible because weight is
brought into balance with insulin production, just as in jestational
diabetes that resolves after birth.


God bless.

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190365451.341924.88230@n39g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...

>
> I'm still going thro the learning process!! As a guideline, could you
> tell me what I should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see
> if I am following that already.
>
There really is no such list, however in general it is carbs we need to
watch the most. I presume you have a meter or will soon be getting one so
you can test your BG.

> I know pasta and rice is carby but its being balanced with protein in
> fish, chicken and the plant proteins.

The "balanced" part doesn't really matter if you have diabetes. Take in
more carbs than your body can handle and you'll have high BG. This is one
reason you need a meter. So you can see how many carbs is too many for you.
>
> Im eating plenty of fruit - going for the low glycaemic load and
> eating the medium/high in moderation.

Fruit can be high in carbs. You may need to cut back on that.
>
> Lots of green salads, olives, cottage cheese, tomatoes - stuff like
> that.

That stuff is good but be careful of the dressing you eat. Some of it is
high in carbs.
>
> Keeping off sweets, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc - stopped them the
> day I got diagnosed!

That's a good idea. May not be totally necessary once you get your BG
(blood glucose) under control, however you would most likely have to reserve
them for special occasions and small amounts only.
>
> But if you can see some error in my diet choice, I am all for
> listening and learning.

It's just sort of a live and learn thing. It's different for all of us.

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190365229.918359.296760@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
> On 21 Sep, 09:11, "Diana" <Di...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
>> > relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>>
>> > I may as well jump right in!.......
>>
>> > I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
>> > nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
>> > menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
>> > behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
>> > to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
>> > tests.
>> > Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
>> > triglycerides.
>>
>> > Diagnosed me there and then.
>>
>> > I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
>> > no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
>> > a healthy longevitiy.
>>
>> > I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
>> > processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
>> > high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
>> > basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
>> > ears), etc..
>>
>> > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
>> > do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
>> > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
>> > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
>> > sounds scary!
>>
>> > I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
>> > point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
>> > glycaemic immune something or other??
>>
>> > Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>>
>> > Cheers,
>> > HB
>>
>> Hi Helen,
>> Welcome to ASD. Of course no one minds you jumping right in. Except for
>> why
>> you had to be here you are most welcome. I am sorry to hear you are not
>> feeling well. I hope you start to recover soon.
>>
>> I don't know anything about GAD but others here will and will extend a
>> helpful hand.
>>
>> I just wanted to say Hi and Welcome but hang in there and many will come
>> to
>> your rescue :-)
>>
>> It sounds like you are starting out right with changing your way of
>> eating.
>> That is a giant step.
>>
>> Best wishes and a healthier you :-)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thank you for the welcome! I dont feel ill anymore, thats the good
> thing! Since changing my diet, the nausea and other symptoms seem to
> have abated.
>

Good work :-) I am glad that those symptoms are gone. Again Welcome.

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> sounds scary!
>

I think she needs to go back to school.

*LOTS* of us have "true diabetes" without having GAD stuff & without having
anything to do with insulin.

Or maybe she means that you don't have the kind of diabetes that's "not your
fault" i.e. the kind that your "horrible lifestle" brought on -- in which
case she.....needs to go back to school (&/or get counseling in dealing with
patients).
(does it show I'm irked at her pronouncement???)

And did anyone mention exercise?
It's like a whole slew of meds in what it can do for you.

Having diabetes is a constant learning process but there are plenty of us
here to help!
bj

On 21 Sep, 17:32, "bj" <bjone...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> > do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> > sounds scary!
>
> I think she needs to go back to school.
>
> *LOTS* of us have "true diabetes" without having GAD stuff & without having
> anything to do with insulin.
>
> Or maybe she means that you don't have the kind of diabetes that's "not your
> fault" i.e. the kind that your "horrible lifestle" brought on -- in which
> case she.....needs to go back to school (&/or get counseling in dealing with
> patients).
> (does it show I'm irked at her pronouncement???)
>
> And did anyone mention exercise?
> It's like a whole slew of meds in what it can do for you.
>
> Having diabetes is a constant learning process but there are plenty of us
> here to help!
> bj

She did try the guilt thing with me - like I've been a naughty girl
for eating the wrong way all these years! I hadnt been eating the
wrong way - just not as much good stuff as I am now - so I do get the
message about it "not being my fault".
I have put on some weight in the last 2 years and will need to lose it
again. In fact, since changing my diet, Ive lost some already - so
just need to up the exercise and away we go!!

I take it the nurse is possibly talking through her proverbial, then?

And is it a british thing - this misinformation train?

She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
and will have to go on insulin instead.

Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
will let you know what she says.

Seriously, more info from you all would be greatly reassuring.

Thanks.

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:14:47 -0700 in Msg.#
<1190394887.433051.51120@o80g2000hse.googlegroups. com>, Helen Back
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
> will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
> and will have to go on insulin instead.

Well, you may know this, ... but, simvastin isn't a medication for diabetes.
Instead it is a statin, to lower lipids (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.)
but it does work through the liver. All of the statins do.

> Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
> I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
> will let you know what she says.

I suggest making a list of things you want to ask her. And, I personally
always like to get what has been told to me written down too, so I can refer
to it later.

So, how about a few Yes or No questions:

Did they tell you what your blood glucose level was?

Did they send you home with a meter & test strips to test your blood with
it?

Did they say anything at all about Type 1 or Type 2?

Did they put you on any other new medications besides the simvastin & the
aspirin?

Hey! Hello! Welcome, and so forth, BTW. As an American I think I can safely
say that Brits do not have a monopoly on misinformation! <G>

--
DonnaB
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
...................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
...................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2
...................05-18-07 hbA1C 5.3

"During my three years in Vietnam, I certainly heard plenty of last words by
dying American footsoldiers. Not one of them, however, had illusions that he
had somehow accomplished something worthwhile in the process of making the
Supreme Sacrifice." - Kurt Vonnegut 1822-2007, Hocus Pocus

On Sep 21, 10:14 am, Helen Back <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21 Sep, 17:32, "bj" <bjone...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> > > do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> > > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> > > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> > > sounds scary!
>
> > I think she needs to go back to school.
>
> > *LOTS* of us have "true diabetes" without having GAD stuff & without having
> > anything to do with insulin.
>
> > Or maybe she means that you don't have the kind of diabetes that's "not your
> > fault" i.e. the kind that your "horrible lifestle" brought on -- in which
> > case she.....needs to go back to school (&/or get counseling in dealing with
> > patients).
> > (does it show I'm irked at her pronouncement???)
>
> > And did anyone mention exercise?
> > It's like a whole slew of meds in what it can do for you.
>
> > Having diabetes is a constant learning process but there are plenty of us
> > here to help!
> > bj
>
> She did try the guilt thing with me - like I've been a naughty girl
> for eating the wrong way all these years! I hadnt been eating the
> wrong way - just not as much good stuff as I am now - so I do get the
> message about it "not being my fault".
> I have put on some weight in the last 2 years and will need to lose it
> again. In fact, since changing my diet, Ive lost some already - so
> just need to up the exercise and away we go!!
>
> I take it the nurse is possibly talking through her proverbial, then?
>
> And is it a british thing - this misinformation train?
>
> She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
> will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
> and will have to go on insulin instead.
>
> Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
> I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
> will let you know what she says.
>
> Seriously, more info from you all would be greatly reassuring.
>
> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Helen,

I suspect with the GAD test your doctor is looking for the possibility
of LADA--Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults. This type of diabetes
is caused when an antibody attacks your pancreas, the same as with
Type 1 diabetes. In the past people thought only children and young
adults got this type of diabetes, but they've discovered it can occur
in adults. When this happens, then insulin is a must because your
pancreas is making very little.

In Type 2 diabetes, the problem is different. In the initial stages
our bodies are making insulin, but it's not being used properly--hence
the term "insulin resistance". Consequently, our bodies churn out
even more insulin and this overactivity begins to damage the pancreas,
which can ultimately lead to the pancreas making less insulin. It's
why some Type 2 diabetes need insulin. Losing weight can help with
insulin resistance, allowing our bodies to use the insulin it makes
more efficiently. The 2nd thing that helps is reducing the amount of
carbohydrate in the diet. Whenever you eat carbohydrate, your
pancreas must put out insulin to deal with it. If you eat a lot of
carbs at once, your pancreas has to put out a lot insulin, especially
if insulin resistance is involved. So if you eat fewer carbs, the
load on your pancreas is less.

A lot of uneducated people "blame" Type 2s for their illness, because
the weight they tend to gain does make the problem worse. However,
the fact remains that due genetics, we are prone to insulin
resistence, which in and of itself causes weight gain. The insulin
resistance comes first. And there are many overweight who do not have
diabetes.

I see you filed away the website that Alan gave you. I strongly urge
you to read it, and if you don't have a glucometer, get one ASAP. By
modifying your diet right away, you've already taken the first step in
manage the disease. It's great that you're so proactive! However,
the glucometer is really necessary to learn what foods are actually
causing problems and which ones aren't. While I suspect you've
already reduced or eliminated many of the foods that were causing you
problems, which is why you're feeling better, I can almost guarantee
that you're still eating some things that may spike your BG. We've
all been surprised. For instance cooked carrots will spike me,
however I can eat raw ones. Go figure.

I'm sorry your illness brought you to us, but welcome!

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190361490.072777.20140@57g2000hsv.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> Cheers,
> HB
>
Welcome to the newsgroup.

Helen Back <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

: She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
: will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
: and will have to go on insulin instead.

: Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
: I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
: will let you know what she says.

: Seriously, more info from you all would be greatly reassuring.

: Thanks.

Simvastin, I believe, is a statin drug which is for high chloresterol, bot
diabetes. People who use no diabetic med, oral diabetic med and/or
insulin may need a statin to dea l wth highchloresterol, although many
onthis group have found other ways to control that. I don't understand
the either/or in this information you are getting.

Meanwhile, welcome to the group.

Wendy

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:58:10 -0700, Helen Back
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
>nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
>menopause until I went for an eye test.

BTDT! Mad, isn't it - ALL the women in my family "started menopause"
early, but now I'm sure that they actually had diabetes. All my "early
menopause" went away when I got control.

>I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
>no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
>a healthy longevitiy.

Diet AND EXERCISE... try going for a walk an hour after a meal, and
see what it does to your bg.

>I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
>processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
>high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
>basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
>ears), etc..

Hmmm. Alan's given you the best diet link - you may have to change
your view of what a healthy diet is. Rice, beans and ordinary pasta
are off my list entirely - you need to test and see what they do to
you. You might be OK; you might need to eat smaller portions of the
carb and more fish / veggies.

>But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
>do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD

"true" diabetes? Strange thing to say... GAD antibodies would suggest
you have Type 1 diabetes - but if you did, you'd likely need insulin
right now.

Hang around - it sounds like you're going to be very proactive, which
is very cool!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:46:44 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <heartdoc11@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>Helen Back wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
>> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
>Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.

Sadly, Helen, this guy's reply looks almost reasonable until
you reach the end.

He is insane. Ignore him.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:36:51 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>Hey! Hello! Welcome, and so forth, BTW. As an American I think I can safely
>say that Brits do not have a monopoly on misinformation! <G>

Goodness! As an Australian that could almost be classic
British understatement... :-)




Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:52:39 +0100, Nicky
<ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:

>"true" diabetes?

Mine's not true at all. Unfaithful cuss - can't trust it at
all. Often off gallivanting with my other afflictions and
messing up things.

What ever happened to old-fashioned faithfulness and
loyalty? Stick to messing up my blood, no need for it to
mess about with hearts and eyes and toes.

No, not true or faithful at all...


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com