Religion

Religion provides so many an item to
support them in this messed up world,

It also provides a tool for insane people to
kill and mangle. others.

Evidently it a part of our brain and
a survival trait.

Some of the best people I know practice
a sane religion. and I envy them.

Some of the worst use religion to
cover their obscene life.

I never had the ability to rationalize
my way out of being a finite animal.

I do envy those that have the help.

Those that preach, then practice
selfish behavior and abuse others
destroyed any hope I could think
differently.

There are good examples here.

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I have read in more than one place the high percentage of people that
believe in a supreme being, aka God, "in spite of organized
religions." I think that pretty well says it.


On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:09:37 GMT, guys@consolidated.neet (guy) wrote:

>
>Religion provides so many an item to
>support them in this messed up world,
>
>It also provides a tool for insane people to
> kill and mangle. others.
>
>Evidently it a part of our brain and
>a survival trait.
>
>Some of the best people I know practice
>a sane religion. and I envy them.
>
>Some of the worst use religion to
>cover their obscene life.
>
>I never had the ability to rationalize
>my way out of being a finite animal.
>
>I do envy those that have the help.
>
>Those that preach, then practice
>selfish behavior and abuse others
>destroyed any hope I could think
>differently.
>
>There are good examples here.
>
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Grandpa Chuck
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~

Americans killed in Iraq as of January 9, 2007 is 3019. United Kingdom = 128 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 12, 2007 it has been 1350 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

"guy" <guys@consolidated.neet> wrote in message
news:45a7c075.309125@news.consolidated.net...
>
> Religion provides so many an item to
> support them in this messed up world,
>
> It also provides a tool for insane people to
> kill and mangle. others.
>
> Evidently it a part of our brain and
> a survival trait.
>
> Some of the best people I know practice
> a sane religion. and I envy them.
>
> Some of the worst use religion to
> cover their obscene life.
>
> I never had the ability to rationalize
> my way out of being a finite animal.
>
> I do envy those that have the help.
>
> Those that preach, then practice
> selfish behavior and abuse others
> destroyed any hope I could think
> differently.
>
> There are good examples here.

I agree Guy. I know some people that have turned away because of some
so-called Christians pushing it at them. I do feel bad for those people
because they give Christianity a very bad name. I think you expressed things
very well.

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:09:37 GMT, guys@consolidated.neet (guy) wrote:

>
>Religion provides so many an item to
>support them in this messed up world,
>
>It also provides a tool for insane people to
> kill and mangle. others.
>
>Evidently it a part of our brain and
>a survival trait.
>
>Some of the best people I know practice
>a sane religion. and I envy them.
>
>Some of the worst use religion to
>cover their obscene life.
>
>I never had the ability to rationalize
>my way out of being a finite animal.
>
>I do envy those that have the help.
>
>Those that preach, then practice
>selfish behavior and abuse others
>destroyed any hope I could think
>differently.
>
>There are good examples here.
>
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Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis

The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
elaborations of this.

Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?

Andrea2
mother, Type 2, MDI insulin
-------------------------------------------------------------------
The world is continuous flux and is impermanent.
-- Buddha

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:55:46 -0800, Andrea2 <andrea6192001@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:09:37 GMT, guys@consolidated.neet (guy) wrote:
>
>>
>>Religion provides so many an item to
>>support them in this messed up world,
>>
>>It also provides a tool for insane people to
>> kill and mangle. others.
>>
>>Evidently it a part of our brain and
>>a survival trait.
>>
>>Some of the best people I know practice
>>a sane religion. and I envy them.
>>
>>Some of the worst use religion to
>>cover their obscene life.
>>
>>I never had the ability to rationalize
>>my way out of being a finite animal.
>>
>>I do envy those that have the help.
>>
>>Those that preach, then practice
>>selfish behavior and abuse others
>>destroyed any hope I could think
>>differently.
>>
>>There are good examples here.
>>
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>
>Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
>not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
>Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
>thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
>determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
>which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
>transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
>survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>
>The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
>causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
>elaborations of this.
>
>Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
>
>Andrea2
>mother, Type 2, MDI insulin
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>The world is continuous flux and is impermanent.
> -- Buddha
>

Or at the very least adopted the behavior taught by the Buddha. As I
read more and more of the Buddha's teachings I realized all of the
loving things I had been told Jesus taught we exactly the same.
Consequently it was not much of a surprise when I saw the program on
the History Channel that some people claim Jesus resided and studied
at a Buddhist monastery during the so-called "lost years" shortly
before he started his ministry.

But then most great teachers have tried to teach similar things as far
back as any records go and right up to Gandhi and Martin Luther King
Jr.

--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Americans killed in Iraq as of January 9, 2007 is 3019. United Kingdom = 128 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 12, 2007 it has been 1350 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
>
> >Religion provides so many an item to
> >support them in this messed up world,
> >
> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
> > kill and mangle. others.
> >
> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
> >a survival trait.
> >
> >Some of the best people I know practice
> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
> >
> >Some of the worst use religion to
> >cover their obscene life.
> >
> >I never had the ability to rationalize
> >my way out of being a finite animal.
> >
> >I do envy those that have the help.
> >
> >Those that preach, then practice
> >selfish behavior and abuse others
> >destroyed any hope I could think
> >differently.
> >
> >There are good examples here.
>
> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>
> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
> elaborations of this.
>
> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?

No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.

Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with HIM, there
will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem. LORD Almighty
GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.

KING of kings and LORD of lords (Revelation 19:16)

Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
Andrea whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Meanwhile, HIS brethren have been blessed:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought

.... and continue to be blessed:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee

(note: Only those who are blessed by LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of
heaven and earth, will have access to these and other related
OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database maintained by
TheWellnessFoundation.com)

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love11@dog-droppings

You remind me of a dog seeking an imaginery master.

Look at that. You've left more jesus turds and a pool of "holy" piss water!
BAD CHUNKERS <swat w/ newspaper> BAD CHUNKERS

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:55:46 -0800 in Msg.#
<lvtfq2tnd0hhaqn6rpbtdmptlcsmg99fqp@4ax.com>, Andrea2
<andrea6192001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.

I know Buddhists who believe this.

> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>
> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
> elaborations of this.
>
> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?

I tend to think that all people don't & won't fit one mold. I guess another
way to put that is that I think there are many different ways to be
spiritual, ethical, moral people. I was born & grew up Southern Baptist. I
knew at about the age of 12 or so that I probably wouldn't stay one. But, I
came to many realizations at about that age & that was a personal one that I
didn't act on until I was in college - as soon as I was in college. Off & on
for a fair while I searched for a new external spiritual 'home'. I'm glad I
did that because it gave me knowledge of many (not all) different
'religions'. Eventually I landed & became an Episcopalian ... and my church
is being torn apart from inside & out over things that began back then, when
I happily converted ... but that's another tale altogether.

Anyway, so, are you a vegetarian? Strict vegetarian? Vegan? Do you ever go
to retreats where large portions of silence are involved? If so, how do you
stay in so much silence so long? <G>

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"You were born together & together you shall be forevermore ... But let
there be spaces in your togetherness & let the winds of the heavens dance
between you." - Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931) _The Prophet_ "On Marriage"

False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed:

>neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
>> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
>>
>> >Religion provides so many an item to
>> >support them in this messed up world,
>> >
>> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
>> > kill and mangle. others.
>> >
>> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
>> >a survival trait.
>> >
>> >Some of the best people I know practice
>> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
>> >
>> >Some of the worst use religion to
>> >cover their obscene life.
>> >
>> >I never had the ability to rationalize
>> >my way out of being a finite animal.
>> >
>> >I do envy those that have the help.
>> >
>> >Those that preach, then practice
>> >selfish behavior and abuse others
>> >destroyed any hope I could think
>> >differently.
>> >
>> >There are good examples here.
>>
>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
>> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
>> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
>> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
>> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
>> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>>
>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
>> elaborations of this.
>>
>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
>
>No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
>earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.
>
>Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
>Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with HIM, there
>will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem. LORD Almighty
>GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.

You forgot to "convict" this person, Chung. I'm sure if you keep
working at it, you'll be calling her a "demon" in no time.

Hi DonnaB and Andrea2:

Talk of Buddhist philosophy reminds me of the conversation I had with
my son when he was about 12. He called me in his room and we had the
following conversation.

S: Dad how old do I have to be to convert myself to Buddhism.
Me: Convert? What is your current religion any way. ( I am Hindu by
birth and my wife is Jewish. We have not actively given any specific
religion to our kids as be both believe we are humanist :-))
S: I don't know what my current religion is but I would like to know
how old I have to be to convert to Buddhists religion.
Me; Well there is no specific age. When would you like to convert? If
you are so sure we can start recognizing you as a Buddhist starting
tomorrow!
S: Wait, don't I have to be at least 18 yrs old to change my religion?
Me: No. You don't even have to wait till tomorrow. If you want we can
start recognizing you as a Buddhist right now.
S: No! I am not in such a hurry. I was just curious as to how old I
have to be to become a Buddhist.
Me: Well in this house there are no restrictions on how old or how
often you may want to change the religion as long as you know the
reasons and you are happy with the idea.
S; Great. I think I am just happy with the way I am now. But I do like
Buddhist way of looking at life.
Me; I share your enthusiasm and fascination. In fact I like a few
things from many religions and I feel if I don't choose to convert to a
specific one I can choose from all of then! So that is why I am kind of
not committed to any specific religion.
S; Yes I understand but I thing Buddhist way overall is the best.
Me: Hey go for it. Sleep over it and keep thinking. Remember it is
always going to be your choice!
S; Wonderful. I think I will just enjoy that thought.
=*=*
He is now 22 about to graduate from collage. He has completely
converted me and my wife into being vegans. None of us are Buddhist!

To my delight being diabetic and eating plant based whole foods has no
conflict with Vegan life style or for that matter Jewish or Buddhist or
Christen or even atheist belief system.

Some how not being ethical does create conflict with every religion and
non-religion I know! I am really glad that on that kids have no doubt.

Anil
Parent of HinJew kids!

The end of your ilk:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...2a459765cdd93c.

-Aut
Nuke Georgia and Mississippi to save America.

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:44:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:55:46 -0800 in Msg.#
><lvtfq2tnd0hhaqn6rpbtdmptlcsmg99fqp@4ax.com>, Andrea2
><andrea6192001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
>> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
>
>I know Buddhists who believe this.
>
>> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
>> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
>> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
>> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>>
>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
>> elaborations of this.
>>
>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
>
>I tend to think that all people don't & won't fit one mold. I guess another
>way to put that is that I think there are many different ways to be
>spiritual, ethical, moral people. I was born & grew up Southern Baptist. I
>knew at about the age of 12 or so that I probably wouldn't stay one. But, I
>came to many realizations at about that age & that was a personal one that I
>didn't act on until I was in college - as soon as I was in college. Off & on
>for a fair while I searched for a new external spiritual 'home'. I'm glad I
>did that because it gave me knowledge of many (not all) different
>'religions'. Eventually I landed & became an Episcopalian ... and my church
>is being torn apart from inside & out over things that began back then, when
>I happily converted ... but that's another tale altogether.
>
>Anyway, so, are you a vegetarian? Strict vegetarian? Vegan? Do you ever go
>to retreats where large portions of silence are involved? If so, how do you
>stay in so much silence so long? <G>


I am not a vegetarian now, I was for about a year but not for
religious reasons. My beliefs do not forbid me eating meat unless it
was killed specifically for me or by me.

I have not been to a Buddhist service in years. My beliefs are
basically the same as Chan Buddhism which is a melding of Mahayana
Buddhism and Taoism.

Andrea2
mother, Type 2, MDI insulin
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nature holds no prejudice and cares for all things the same.
It views everything as so many straw dogs, neither loving nor hating
them.
-- Lao Tzu

On 12 Jan 2007 18:21:45 -0800, "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>=*=*
>He is now 22 about to graduate from collage. He has completely
>converted me and my wife into being vegans. None of us are Buddhist!
>
>To my delight being diabetic and eating plant based whole foods has no
>conflict with Vegan life style or for that matter Jewish or Buddhist or
>Christen or even atheist belief system.
>
>Some how not being ethical does create conflict with every religion and
>non-religion I know! I am really glad that on that kids have no doubt.
>

Thanks, Anil, for that very wonderful family story....

Will, T2

Art Deco <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote:

>False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed:
>
>>neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
>>> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
>>>
>>> >Religion provides so many an item to
>>> >support them in this messed up world,
>>> >
>>> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
>>> > kill and mangle. others.
>>> >
>>> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
>>> >a survival trait.
>>> >
>>> >Some of the best people I know practice
>>> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
>>> >
>>> >Some of the worst use religion to
>>> >cover their obscene life.
>>> >
>>> >I never had the ability to rationalize
>>> >my way out of being a finite animal.
>>> >
>>> >I do envy those that have the help.
>>> >
>>> >Those that preach, then practice
>>> >selfish behavior and abuse others
>>> >destroyed any hope I could think
>>> >differently.
>>> >
>>> >There are good examples here.
>>>
>>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
>>> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
>>> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
>>> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
>>> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
>>> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
>>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
>>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>>>
>>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
>>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
>>> elaborations of this.
>>>
>>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
>>
>>No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
>>earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.
>>
>>Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
>>Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with HIM, there
>>will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem. LORD Almighty
>>GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>
>You forgot to "convict" this person, Chung. I'm sure if you keep
>working at it, you'll be calling her a "demon" in no time.

For some reason he hasn't "convicted" you either, which I find odd. I
have been eternally retufted by the Chungster, OTOH.

Which carries about as much weight as having one's character and
intellect being questioned by Walter Kent Prescott (, et cetera)

Archie Leach <archieleach@each.beach> wrote:

>Art Deco <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote:
>
>>False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed:
>>
>>>neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
>>>> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Religion provides so many an item to
>>>> >support them in this messed up world,
>>>> >
>>>> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
>>>> > kill and mangle. others.
>>>> >
>>>> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
>>>> >a survival trait.
>>>> >
>>>> >Some of the best people I know practice
>>>> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
>>>> >
>>>> >Some of the worst use religion to
>>>> >cover their obscene life.
>>>> >
>>>> >I never had the ability to rationalize
>>>> >my way out of being a finite animal.
>>>> >
>>>> >I do envy those that have the help.
>>>> >
>>>> >Those that preach, then practice
>>>> >selfish behavior and abuse others
>>>> >destroyed any hope I could think
>>>> >differently.
>>>> >
>>>> >There are good examples here.
>>>>
>>>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
>>>> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
>>>> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
>>>> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
>>>> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
>>>> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
>>>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
>>>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>>>>
>>>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
>>>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
>>>> elaborations of this.
>>>>
>>>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
>>>
>>>No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
>>>earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.
>>>
>>>Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
>>>Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with HIM, there
>>>will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem. LORD Almighty
>>>GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>>
>>You forgot to "convict" this person, Chung. I'm sure if you keep
>>working at it, you'll be calling her a "demon" in no time.
>
>For some reason he hasn't "convicted" you either, which I find odd. I
>have been eternally retufted by the Chungster, OTOH.

I'm way, way beyond "convicted", I am the "burning netcabal.com mascot
demon" and "satan's sockpuppet".
>
>Which carries about as much weight as having one's character and
>intellect being questioned by Walter Kent Prescott (, et cetera)

True that.

"Art Deco" <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote in message
news:130120071809214818%erfc-1024@usa.net...
> Archie Leach <archieleach@each.beach> wrote:
>
> >Art Deco <erfc-1024@usa.net> wrote:
> >
> >>False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed:
> >>
> >>>neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
> >>>> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >Religion provides so many an item to
> >>>> >support them in this messed up world,
> >>>> >
> >>>> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
> >>>> > kill and mangle. others.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
> >>>> >a survival trait.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Some of the best people I know practice
> >>>> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Some of the worst use religion to
> >>>> >cover their obscene life.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >I never had the ability to rationalize
> >>>> >my way out of being a finite animal.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >I do envy those that have the help.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Those that preach, then practice
> >>>> >selfish behavior and abuse others
> >>>> >destroyed any hope I could think
> >>>> >differently.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >There are good examples here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
> >>>> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
> >>>> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
> >>>> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
> >>>> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
> >>>> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
> >>>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
> >>>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
> >>>>
> >>>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
> >>>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
> >>>> elaborations of this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
> >>>
> >>>No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
> >>>earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.
> >>>
> >>>Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
> >>>Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with HIM, there
> >>>will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem. LORD Almighty
> >>>GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.
> >>
> >>You forgot to "convict" this person, Chung. I'm sure if you keep
> >>working at it, you'll be calling her a "demon" in no time.
> >
> >For some reason he hasn't "convicted" you either, which I find odd. I
> >have been eternally retufted by the Chungster, OTOH.
>
> I'm way, way beyond "convicted", I am the "burning netcabal.com mascot
> demon" and "satan's sockpuppet".
> >
> >Which carries about as much weight as having one's character and
> >intellect being questioned by Walter Kent Prescott (, et cetera)
>
> True that.

Colorado Carl repents:

http://groups.google.com.au/group/sc...9?dmode=source

HJ

Convicted neighbor Archie Leach wrote:
> burning netcabal.com demon wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
> >>> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Religion provides so many an item to
> >>> >support them in this messed up world,
> >>> >
> >>> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
> >>> > kill and mangle. others.
> >>> >
> >>> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
> >>> >a survival trait.
> >>> >
> >>> >Some of the best people I know practice
> >>> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
> >>> >
> >>> >Some of the worst use religion to
> >>> >cover their obscene life.
> >>> >
> >>> >I never had the ability to rationalize
> >>> >my way out of being a finite animal.
> >>> >
> >>> >I do envy those that have the help.
> >>> >
> >>> >Those that preach, then practice
> >>> >selfish behavior and abuse others
> >>> >destroyed any hope I could think
> >>> >differently.
> >>> >
> >>> >There are good examples here.
> >>>
> >>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
> >>> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
> >>> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
> >>> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
> >>> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
> >>> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
> >>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
> >>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
> >>>
> >>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
> >>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
> >>> elaborations of this.
> >>>
> >>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
> >>
> >>No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
> >>earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.
> >>
> >>Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
> >>Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with HIM, there
> >>will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem. LORD Almighty
> >>GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.
> >
> >You forgot to "convict" this person, Chung. I'm sure if you keep
> >working at it, you'll be calling her a "demon" in no time.
>
> For some reason he hasn't "convicted" you either, which I find odd. I
> have been eternally retufted by the Chungster, OTOH.
>
> Which carries about as much weight as having one's character and
> intellect being questioned by Walter Kent Prescott (, et cetera)

Prayers would be wasted on eternally condemned souls, which are
corporeal demons in transit to becoming non-corporeal demons as their
bodies die. Secularly, the latter non-corporeal demons are also known
as either evil spirits or evil ghosts.

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed:

>Convicted neighbor Archie Leach wrote:
>> burning netcabal.com demon wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
>> >>> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Religion provides so many an item to
>> >>> >support them in this messed up world,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
>> >>> > kill and mangle. others.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
>> >>> >a survival trait.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Some of the best people I know practice
>> >>> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Some of the worst use religion to
>> >>> >cover their obscene life.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I never had the ability to rationalize
>> >>> >my way out of being a finite animal.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I do envy those that have the help.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Those that preach, then practice
>> >>> >selfish behavior and abuse others
>> >>> >destroyed any hope I could think
>> >>> >differently.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >There are good examples here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we do
>> >>> not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion at all.
>> >>> Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a way of
>> >>> thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility of
>> >>> determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral action
>> >>> which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
>> >>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
>> >>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>> >>>
>> >>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
>> >>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts are
>> >>> elaborations of this.
>> >>>
>> >>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
>> >>
>> >>No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
>> >>earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.
>> >>
>> >>Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
>> >>Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with HIM, there
>> >>will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem. LORD Almighty
>> >>GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>> >
>> >You forgot to "convict" this person, Chung. I'm sure if you keep
>> >working at it, you'll be calling her a "demon" in no time.
>>
>> For some reason he hasn't "convicted" you either, which I find odd. I
>> have been eternally retufted by the Chungster, OTOH.
>>
>> Which carries about as much weight as having one's character and
>> intellect being questioned by Walter Kent Prescott (, et cetera)
>
>Prayers would be wasted on eternally condemned souls, which are
>corporeal demons in transit to becoming non-corporeal demons as their
>bodies die. Secularly, the latter non-corporeal demons are also known
>as either evil spirits or evil ghosts.

Pure idiocy. You are one spectacular kook, Chung.

You remind me of a dog seeking an imaginery master, and leaving smelly
jesus turds all over the place.

WOOF WOOF, plop plop

"honestjohn" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in
news:l8OdnbwBTMN1HjTYnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d@centurytel.n et:

-snip-

Hey kook, you're clock is off by four hours and twentytwo minutes.

How the hell did you mess it up like that?

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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:36:47 -0600
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--
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.

-Robert M. Pirsig

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1168737319.092917.300710@38g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:

> Convicted neighbor Archie Leach wrote:
>> burning netcabal.com demon wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>neighbor Andrea2 wrote:
>> >>> convicted neighbor Guy wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Religion provides so many an item to
>> >>> >support them in this messed up world,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >It also provides a tool for insane people to
>> >>> > kill and mangle. others.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Evidently it a part of our brain and
>> >>> >a survival trait.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Some of the best people I know practice
>> >>> >a sane religion. and I envy them.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Some of the worst use religion to
>> >>> >cover their obscene life.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I never had the ability to rationalize
>> >>> >my way out of being a finite animal.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I do envy those that have the help.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Those that preach, then practice
>> >>> >selfish behavior and abuse others
>> >>> >destroyed any hope I could think
>> >>> >differently.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >There are good examples here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Guy, I converted to Chan Buddhism when I was in college. Since we
>> >>> do not believe in a supreme being, some say it is not a Religion
>> >>> at all. Buddhism is a way of life, a philosophy, a psychology, a
>> >>> way of thinking, through which we may take on the responsibility
>> >>> of determining our life-bearing kamma (karma). Kamma is moral
>> >>> action which causes future retribution, and either good or bad
>> >>> transmigration. It is also that moral kernel in each being which
>> >>> survives death for further rebirth or metempsychosis
>> >>>
>> >>> The fundamental ethical principle for Buddhism, is not killing or
>> >>> causing harm to other living beings and all the other precepts
>> >>> are elaborations of this.
>> >>>
>> >>> Would not the world be a better place if everyone was a Buddhist?
>> >>
>> >>No. The world will be a better place when it is replaced with a new
>> >>earth which will have a new Jerusalem surrounded by a new heaven.
>> >>
>> >>Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen
>> >>LORD Jesus Christ, Whose return HIS brethren await because with
>> >>HIM, there will be a new heaven, new earth, and a new Jerusalem.
>> >>LORD Almighty GOD is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>> >
>> >You forgot to "convict" this person, Chung. I'm sure if you keep
>> >working at it, you'll be calling her a "demon" in no time.
>>
>> For some reason he hasn't "convicted" you either, which I find odd.
>> I have been eternally retufted by the Chungster, OTOH.
>>
>> Which carries about as much weight as having one's character and
>> intellect being questioned by Walter Kent Prescott (, et cetera)
>
> Prayers would be wasted on eternally condemned souls, which are
> corporeal demons in transit to becoming non-corporeal demons as their
> bodies die. Secularly, the latter non-corporeal demons are also known
> as either evil spirits or evil ghosts.

Specifically, you're what is known as a fuckwit fraud.

HTH

--
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.

-Robert M. Pirsig

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:39:55 +0000 (UTC), spooge
<spooge@lartREMOVETHIS.com> wrote:

>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>news:1168737319.092917.300710@38g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
>

>> Prayers would be wasted on eternally condemned souls.

Prayer is never wasted.
God, aka Unconditional Love, has never and will never condemn anyone.

But then Chung is too much of a bigot to ever understand the truth.
He is so delusional and apparently beyond all hope since he believes
he has been appointed God's judge.

The only reason I answer him at all is because I have some spare time
for a few minutes.

Andrew please get some much needed psychiatric and psychological help.
It would be a blessing to all of us. For now just get out of ASD until
you are diagnosed with diabetes. Then return with questions about how
to best manage yours and without being judgmental of others.
--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Americans killed in Iraq as of January 9, 2007 is 3017. United Kingdom = 129 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 47,657 as of January 10, 2007.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 14, 2007 it has been 1352 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

"GrandpaChuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4ME.org> wrote in message
news:4e5lq259agop54pvtg1nmb3l2bo354nna5@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:39:55 +0000 (UTC), spooge
> <spooge@lartREMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>
>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>>news:1168737319.092917.300710@38g2000cwa.googleg roups.com:
>>
>
>>> Prayers would be wasted on eternally condemned souls.
>
> Prayer is never wasted.
> God, aka Unconditional Love, has never and will never condemn anyone.
>
> But then Chung is too much of a bigot to ever understand the truth.
> He is so delusional and apparently beyond all hope since he believes
> he has been appointed God's judge.
>
> The only reason I answer him at all is because I have some spare time
> for a few minutes.
>
> Andrew please get some much needed psychiatric and psychological help.
> It would be a blessing to all of us. For now just get out of ASD until
> you are diagnosed with diabetes. Then return with questions about how
> to best manage yours and without being judgmental of others.
> --
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
>
> Americans killed in Iraq as of January 9, 2007 is 3017. United Kingdom =
> 129 Other = 123.
> Non-Mortal American casualties 47,657 as of January 10, 2007.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called
> insurgents.
> As of January 14, 2007 it has been 1352 days since Bush while standing in
> front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
> "In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
> IOW "Mission Accomplished."
>
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and
> carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
>
I always feel where there is breath there is hope. To me if you are
breathing you are not condemned just yet.

"spooge" <spooge@lartREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98B880754CB06mypostdammet@207.14.116.130.. .
> "honestjohn" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in
> news:l8OdnbwBTMN1HjTYnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d@centurytel.n et:
>
> -snip-
>
> Hey kook, you're clock is off by four hours and twentytwo minutes.
>
> How the hell did you mess it up like that?
>
Thanks, I fixed it.

Just the aftermath of Art Deco virus bomb. No biggie. Have 4 computers in
case he ever scores a direct hit on one.

HJ

In alt.support.diabetes on 12 Jan 2007 18:21:45 -0800 in Msg.#
<1168654903.791629.325060@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>, "Anil"
<navkal@gmail.com> wrote:

> Talk of Buddhist philosophy reminds me of the conversation I had with
> my son when he was about 12. He called me in his room and we had the
> following conversation.
>
> S: Dad how old do I have to be to convert myself to Buddhism.
> Me: Convert? What is your current religion any way. ( I am Hindu by
> birth and my wife is Jewish. We have not actively given any specific
> religion to our kids as be both believe we are humanist :-))

[snip rest]

Enjoyed reading that. Sounds like a good household to have grown up in.

--
DonnaB : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel

"A good resolution is like an old horse, which is often saddled but rarely
ridden." - Mexican Proverb

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:16:01 -0500, "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:


>I always feel where there is breath there is hope. To me if you are
>breathing you are not condemned just yet.
>

Aren't we supposed to be God's ultimate creation?
If that is so it is impossible to believe that God would ever condemn
any of us. God loves us all without conditions.

--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Americans killed in Iraq as of January 9, 2007 is 3017. United Kingdom = 129 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 47,657 as of January 10, 2007.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 14, 2007 it has been 1352 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis

"GrandpaChuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4ME.org> wrote in message
news:gvtlq2d815nu7066c233aqvf50gb99023s@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:16:01 -0500, "Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I always feel where there is breath there is hope. To me if you are
>>breathing you are not condemned just yet.
>>
>
> Aren't we supposed to be God's ultimate creation?
> If that is so it is impossible to believe that God would ever condemn
> any of us. God loves us all without conditions.
>
> --
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
>
> Americans killed in Iraq as of January 9, 2007 is 3017. United Kingdom =
> 129 Other = 123.
> Non-Mortal American casualties 47,657 as of January 10, 2007.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called
> insurgents.
> As of January 14, 2007 it has been 1352 days since Bush while standing in
> front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
> "In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
> IOW "Mission Accomplished."
>
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and
> carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
>
>
>

We are in his image :-) Now if I could just act a little like he wants me to
:-)

"Diana" <no@no.com> wrote:

>We are in his image :-) Now if I could just act a little like he wants me to

Actually, I truly believe we create God(dess) in our image. Because we
can't begin to comprehend the Real Thing.
I've got issues with "How God wants us to act," because He has so many
spokestypes who have a hotline to $Diety and know what I should do.

I'll settle for "Do what you will, but harm none."

Bright Blessings,

Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at
home.ear