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Old 10-12-2007, 06:01 PM
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I've been following some interesting postings about resveratrol. Has
anyone seen any guidance about the 'correct' dosages and reliable
sources of resveratrol pills?

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Old 10-13-2007, 12:06 AM
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:35:05 -0700, jim <jimr18@netzero.net>
wrote:

>I've been following some interesting postings about resveratrol. Has
>anyone seen any guidance about the 'correct' dosages and reliable
>sources of resveratrol pills?


While I've been following the discussions and comments on
low levels in some wines, I will continue to source my
resveratrols from that source and dose with 3-400ml daily.

Possibly someone can post urls to valid studies determining
appropriate resveratrol pill doses and comparative studies
of the benefits from regular moderate wine consumption and
resveratrol pill dosage?


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:06 AM
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"jim" <jimr18@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:1192203305.595281.242670@t8g2000prg.googlegro ups.com...
> I've been following some interesting postings about resveratrol. Has
> anyone seen any guidance about the 'correct' dosages and reliable
> sources of resveratrol pills?


Hi jim,
here are two recent and free review articles.Keep in mind that they seem to
have a connection to Nestle , who makes the supplemented nutrients........


http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/81/1/230S
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1 Suppl):230S-242S. Links
Bioavailability and bioefficacy of polyphenols in humans. I. Review of 97
bioavailability studies.
Manach C, Williamson G, Morand C, Scalbert A, Rémésy C.
Unité des Maladies Métaboliques et Micronutriments, INRA, Saint-Genès
Champanelle, France. manach@clermont.inra.fr

Polyphenols are abundant micronutrients in our diet, and evidence for their
role in the prevention of degenerative diseases is emerging. Bioavailability
differs greatly from one polyphenol to another, so that the most abundant
polyphenols in our diet are not necessarily those leading to the highest
concentrations of active metabolites in target tissues. Mean values for the
maximal plasma concentration, the time to reach the maximal plasma
concentration, the area under the plasma concentration-time curve, the
elimination half-life, and the relative urinary excretion were calculated
for 18 major polyphenols. We used data from 97 studies that investigated the
kinetics and extent of polyphenol absorption among adults, after ingestion
of a single dose of polyphenol provided as pure compound, plant extract, or
whole food/beverage. The metabolites present in blood, resulting from
digestive and hepatic activity, usually differ from the native compounds.
The nature of the known metabolites is described when data are available.
The plasma concentrations of total metabolites ranged from 0 to 4 mumol/L
with an intake of 50 mg aglycone equivalents, and the relative urinary
excretion ranged from 0.3% to 43% of the ingested dose, depending on the
polyphenol. Gallic acid and isoflavones are the most well-absorbed
polyphenols, followed by catechins, flavanones, and quercetin glucosides,
but with different kinetics. The least well-absorbed polyphenols are the
proanthocyanidins, the galloylated tea catechins, and the anthocyanins. Data
are still too limited for assessment of hydroxycinnamic acids and other
polyphenols. These data may be useful for the design and interpretation of
intervention studies investigating the health effects of polyphenols.

PMID: 15640486



http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/81/1/243S
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1 Suppl):243S-255S. Links
Bioavailability and bioefficacy of polyphenols in humans. II. Review of 93
intervention studies.
Williamson G, Manach C.
Nutrient Bioavailability Group, Nestlé Research Center, Lausanne,
Switzerland. gary.williamson@rdls.nestle.com

For some classes of dietary polyphenols, there are now sufficient
intervention studies to indicate the type and magnitude of effects among
humans in vivo, on the basis of short-term changes in biomarkers.
Isoflavones (genistein and daidzein, found in soy) have significant effects
on bone health among postmenopausal women, together with some weak hormonal
effects. Monomeric catechins (found at especially high concentrations in
tea) have effects on plasma antioxidant biomarkers and energy metabolism.
Procyanidins (oligomeric catechins found at high concentrations in red wine,
grapes, cocoa, cranberries, apples, and some supplements such as Pycnogenol)
have pronounced effects on the vascular system, including but not limited to
plasma antioxidant activity. Quercetin (the main representative of the
flavonol class, found at high concentrations in onions, apples, red wine,
broccoli, tea, and Ginkgo biloba) influences some carcinogenesis markers and
has small effects on plasma antioxidant biomarkers in vivo, although some
studies failed to find this effect. Compared with the effects of polyphenols
in vitro, the effects in vivo, although significant, are more limited. The
reasons for this are 1) lack of validated in vivo biomarkers, especially in
the area of carcinogenesis; 2) lack of long-term studies; and 3) lack of
understanding or consideration of bioavailability in the in vitro studies,
which are subsequently used for the design of in vivo experiments. It is
time to rethink the design of in vitro and in vivo studies, so that these
issues are carefully considered. The length of human intervention studies
should be increased, to more closely reflect the long-term dietary
consumption of polyphenols.

PMID: 15640487

hth
Gys


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Old 10-17-2007, 11:04 AM
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Here's an article from Medscape. Research done in Taiwan
(Oh, that's why it is incomprehensible)
http://www.medscape.com/medline/abst...25344?prt=true

Abstract
Previous studies have established that ethanol induces cell apoptosis and
necrosis. However, the precise molecular mechanisms are currently unclear.
Here, we show that higher concentrations of ethanol (250-400 mM) induced a
shift from apoptotic to necrotic cell death in human K562 cells, and that
resveratrol, a grape-derived phytoalexin with known antioxidant and
anti-inflammatory properties, inhibited or enhanced ethanol-induced
apoptosis/necrosis depending on the treatment dosage. Using the cell
permeable dye 2',7'-dichlorofluorescin diacetate (DCF-DA) as an indicator of
reactive oxygen species (ROS) generation, we showed that ethanol treatment
directly increased intracellular oxidative stress. This intracellular
oxidative stress increased in response to high concentrations (100-200
microM) of resveratrol, but remained unchanged following treatment with low
concentrations (10-25 microM) of resveratrol. Further studies showed that
resveratrol could attenuate or enhance ethanol-induced intracellular
oxidative stress generation-dependent on treatment dosage, and that this
effect could be correlated with cell apoptosis or necrosis. Importantly,
ethanol-induced changes in intracellular ATP levels were also correlated
with resveratrol dosage. Taken together, these results indicate that the
treatment dosage may determine the effect of resveratrol on ethanol-induced
ROS generation, intracellular ATP levels, and cell apoptosis or necrosis.
Thus our findings support the possibility that appropriate dosage of
resveratrol aids in decreasing the toxic effect of ethanol.



"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...
> jim <jimr18@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>I've been following some interesting postings about resveratrol. Has
>>anyone seen any guidance about the 'correct' dosages and reliable
>>sources of resveratrol pills?

>
> While I've been following the discussions and comments on
> low levels in some wines, I will continue to source my
> resveratrols from that source and dose with 3-400ml daily.
>
> Possibly someone can post urls to valid studies determining
> appropriate resveratrol pill doses and comparative studies
> of the benefits from regular moderate wine consumption and
> resveratrol pill dosage?
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> latest: Cinnamon, Spices, Herbs and Similar



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Old 10-17-2007, 11:04 AM
Frank t2
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And some rats will be pleased with this:
http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.or...full/10/6/2190

Resveratrol Suppresses the Angiogenesis and Tumor Growth of Gliomas in Rats
Sheng-Hong Tseng1, Swei-Ming Lin1, Jin-Cherng Chen2, Yen-Hao Su1, Hsin-Yi
Huang1, Chia-Kang Chen1, Po-Yin Lin1 and Yun Chen1,3
1 Department of Surgery, National Taiwan University Hospital and National
Taiwan University College of Medicine, Taipei, Taiwan, 2 Department of
Surgery, Buddhist Tzu Chi Dalin General Hospital, Dalin, Chia-Yi, Taiwan,
and 3 Department of Surgery, Far Eastern Memorial Hospital, Taipei, Taiwan

Purpose: We wanted to investigate the antitumor effects and effect on
angiogenesis of resveratrol in rat RT-2 gliomas.

Experimental Design: RT-2 glioma cells were treated with resveratrol, and
then cytotoxicity was assayed, apoptosis was measured by flow-activated cell
sorter flow cytometry, and expression of vascular endothelial growth factor
was measured by reverse transcription-PCR. Tumor size, animal survival time,
and survival rate were followed in resveratrol-treated rats with s.c. or
intracerebral gliomas. Furthermore, in vitro proliferation was assayed to
explore the effect of resveratrol on the proliferation of ECV304 human
umbilical vein endothelial cells. Expression of CD31 in resveratrol-treated
gliomas was followed immunohistochemically to study the effect of
resveratrol on the glioma-induced angiogenesis.

Results: Resveratrol was demonstrated to exert cytotoxic effects and induce
glioma cell apoptosis in a concentration- and time-dependent manner (P <
0.05). Resveratrol (40 mg/kg/day) exerted significant antitumor effects on
s.c. tumors, including slower tumor growth rate, longer animal survival
time, and higher animal survival rate (P < 0.05). In contrast, resveratrol
affected intracerebral tumors at only an increased dose (100 mg/kg/day),
prolonging animal survival (P < 0.05) without affecting survival rate. The
expression of vascular endothelial growth factor in the glioma cells and the
proliferation of ECV304 cells were inhibited by resveratrol in a
concentration-dependent manner. Immunohistochemical analyses showed that the
s.c. gliomas from resveratrol-treated rats had fewer microvessel densities
than did control rats (P < 0.01).

Conclusions: Resveratrol caused significant glioma cell cytotoxicity and
apoptosis, exerted antitumor effects on the s.c. and intracerebral gliomas,
and inhibited angiogenesis in s.c. gliomas. Thus, resveratrol might be
considered a possible treatment strategy for gliomas.


"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...
> jim <jimr18@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>I've been following some interesting postings about resveratrol. Has
>>anyone seen any guidance about the 'correct' dosages and reliable
>>sources of resveratrol pills?

>
> While I've been following the discussions and comments on
> low levels in some wines, I will continue to source my
> resveratrols from that source and dose with 3-400ml daily.
>
> Possibly someone can post urls to valid studies determining
> appropriate resveratrol pill doses and comparative studies
> of the benefits from regular moderate wine consumption and
> resveratrol pill dosage?
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> latest: Cinnamon, Spices, Herbs and Similar



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Old 10-17-2007, 11:04 AM
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:39:48 +0200, " Frank t2" <a@b.c>
wrote:

>And some rats will be pleased with this:
>http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.or...full/10/6/2190


Thanks Frank, but neither answers my question: "comparative
studies of the benefits from regular moderate wine
consumption and resveratrol pill dosage?"

(sip)

And yes, I've seen the news tonight on the affluent drinkers
in the UK:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:59 PM
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:44:40 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>And yes, I've seen the news tonight on the affluent drinkers
>in the UK:-)


Coincidentally, I was unpacking my latest supermarket delivery when
that item came on the news; the order included a box of wine glasses,
as Eldest Daughter has managed to smash 5 in the last couple of weeks
- grrr... - anyway, I ordered the cheapest glasses available, in case
she continues her run. They were HUGE - my old glasses were 3 units'
worth, if I filled them to the brim, making a 2-unit amount of wine
easy to gauge. These glasses were twice the volume of the old ones!
It's no wonder our perception of the right amount to drink is
drifting...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:12 AM
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:19:46 +0100, Nicky
<ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:44:40 +1000, Alan S
><loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And yes, I've seen the news tonight on the affluent drinkers
>>in the UK:-)

>
>Coincidentally, I was unpacking my latest supermarket delivery when
>that item came on the news; the order included a box of wine glasses,
>as Eldest Daughter has managed to smash 5 in the last couple of weeks
>- grrr... - anyway, I ordered the cheapest glasses available, in case
>she continues her run. They were HUGE - my old glasses were 3 units'
>worth, if I filled them to the brim, making a 2-unit amount of wine
>easy to gauge. These glasses were twice the volume of the old ones!
>It's no wonder our perception of the right amount to drink is
>drifting...
>
>Nicky.


They talked of 11-22 units weekly, but commented that some
Aussie reds have 8 units in a bottle. What is a unit? I've
always worked on "standard drinks". Is that the same thing?

Sounded like a push to drink non-Aussie wines to me:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:30 PM
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:20:52 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>They talked of 11-22 units weekly, but commented that some
>Aussie reds have 8 units in a bottle. What is a unit? I've
>always worked on "standard drinks". Is that the same thing?


Maybe - we work in units; a woman can safely have 1-2 units a night,
with 1-2 days off a week. I think you male types are OK with double
that.

They're just saying that Aussie wines are big and manly :P Wine
usually has 8-11 units per bottle.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:00 PM
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:26:57 +0100, Nicky
<ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:20:52 +1000, Alan S
><loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>They talked of 11-22 units weekly, but commented that some
>>Aussie reds have 8 units in a bottle. What is a unit? I've
>>always worked on "standard drinks". Is that the same thing?

>
>Maybe - we work in units; a woman can safely have 1-2 units a night,
>with 1-2 days off a week. I think you male types are OK with double
>that.
>
>They're just saying that Aussie wines are big and manly :P Wine
>usually has 8-11 units per bottle.
>
>Nicky.
>T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25


On that basis I'm on the high edge of their limits. 4-6
units a day (350-400ml wine), a day missed some weeks.
*hic*





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