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Old 04-17-2008, 01:56 AM
Robert Miles
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Default Retinopathy and heart failure

An article on retinopathy affecting the risk of heart failure:

http://www.healthscout.com/news/322/614480/main.html


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Old 04-17-2008, 06:19 PM
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:45:03 -0500, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>An article on retinopathy affecting the risk of heart failure:
>
>http://www.healthscout.com/news/322/614480/main.html
>



This article is another example of poor medical reporting.

The process that causes diabetic retinopathy is the same process that
damages the small blood vessels in the kidneys and is the same process
that damages the heart and other blood vessels.

The link is the retinopathy but the entire process that causes it.

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Old 04-18-2008, 05:12 AM
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"Màck©®" <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote in message news:t40f04tanqs2mq2dpu0esofgmfqbqp3bha@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:45:03 -0500, "Robert Miles"
> <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
> >An article on retinopathy affecting the risk of heart failure:
> >
> >http://www.healthscout.com/news/322/614480/main.html
> >

>
>
> This article is another example of poor medical reporting.
>
> The process that causes diabetic retinopathy is the same process that
> damages the small blood vessels in the kidneys and is the same process
> that damages the heart and other blood vessels.
>
> The link is the retinopathy but the entire process that causes it.
>
> --
> Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
> Type 1 since 1975


Didn't you mean to say, "The link isn't the retinopathy, but the entire process that causes it." (namely diabetes)? I agree with that.

Jim Michael
jamesmichael2@cox.net

Type 1 since 1968 and I've had laser treatments in both eyes for retinopathy (the last about 20 years ago).

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Old 04-18-2008, 02:54 PM
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:59:31 -0700, "jamesmichael2"
<jamesmichael2@cox.net> wrote:

>
>"Màck©®" <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote in message news:t40f04tanqs2mq2dpu0esofgmfqbqp3bha@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:45:03 -0500, "Robert Miles"
>> <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>
>> >An article on retinopathy affecting the risk of heart failure:
>> >
>> >http://www.healthscout.com/news/322/614480/main.html
>> >

>>
>>
>> This article is another example of poor medical reporting.
>>
>> The process that causes diabetic retinopathy is the same process that
>> damages the small blood vessels in the kidneys and is the same process
>> that damages the heart and other blood vessels.
>>
>> The link is the retinopathy but the entire process that causes it.
>>
>> --
>> Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
>> Type 1 since 1975

>
>Didn't you mean to say, "The link isn't the retinopathy, but the entire process that causes it." (namely diabetes)? I agree with that.
>
>Jim Michael
>jamesmichael2@cox.net
>
>Type 1 since 1968 and I've had laser treatments in both eyes for retinopathy (the last about 20 years ago).
>

typos happen.

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Old 04-19-2008, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: Retinopathy and heart failure

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:58:20 -0400, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:45:03 -0500, "Robert Miles"
><robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>>An article on retinopathy affecting the risk of heart failure:
>>
>>http://www.healthscout.com/news/322/614480/main.html
>>

>
>
>This article is another example of poor medical reporting.
>
>The process that causes diabetic retinopathy is the same process that
>damages the small blood vessels in the kidneys and is the same process
>that damages the heart and other blood vessels.
>
>The link is [isn't (typo corrected QG) ] the retinopathy but the entire process that causes it.
>
>--
>Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper


G'day G'day Mack,

Agreed.

It may be worth pointing out that the researchers did their best to
eliminate other signs of diabetic damage such as that happening to the
kidneys in order to better isolate the reason for the excess rate of
heart attacks in those already suffering from retinopathy.

It seems that retinopathy acts as an early warning for later heart
attacks. One suggestion they make is that they are both related to
inflammation. The damage appears first in the eyes then the heart.

Best wishes,
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:06 PM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Robert Miles wrote:
>
> An article on retinopathy affecting the risk of heart failure:
>
> http://www.healthscout.com/news/322/614480/main.html


In our collective clinical experience, when there is VAT (black fat),
there is retinopathy.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat

Therefore, it remains smarter to eat less down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:46 PM
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Default File a complaint against Chang.

Change Chung’s titles, he hates it!

Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only
doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to
sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming
us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until
we all complain about his tactics!

Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for
people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you
to stop this immediately.

www.anad.org/

and

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical
attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this
continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to
log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being
delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It
is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the
condition of the people you are delivering the message to.

See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state.
Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state
qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology”
in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a
tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the
medical community.


Dr. Yamantaka Says,
He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons
of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum
community standards.


Mike Mordant says:
Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices
soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000
and
$280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get
treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains
lawful steward."

To that Mr. Chung’s web site states:

“after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair
market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so
that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile
cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this
opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If
interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries
with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).”



In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic
at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a
ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little
content on the site and nothing of any medical value.

So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic
numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of
stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and
everything to do with his desire to derive profits.

Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications,
> Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last
> year ?


No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the
fellowship training in cardiology.


> Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist
> who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both
> internal and cardiovascular medicine.


That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal
medicine.

Dr. Yamantaka also stated:

Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully
answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked
you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the
boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to
answer these questions honestly.

This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your
claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be
pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your
clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your
mental illness and personality disorder.

Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified
Internist. I am.
"Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to
offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How
does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer
reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing
VAT.
If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support
your absurd claims, then stop.
His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/
her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd,
nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done
anonymously.

http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/c...729866,00.html

From the website of the Georgia Medical Board:

What is unprofessional conduct?

According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes
"any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of
acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but
not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or
diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as
determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care."

In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not
limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping,
not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in
excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment
(mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope
of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of
one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and
Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and
360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct
for which a licensee may be disciplined.

File a Complaint
Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
Enforcement Unit
2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
PH: (404) 657-6487
FX: (404) 656-9723

http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/a...080031,00.html

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Robert Miles wrote:
> >
> > An article on retinopathy affecting the risk of heart failure:
> >
> > http://www.healthscout.com/news/322/614480/main.html

>
> In our collective clinical experience, when there is VAT (black fat),
> there is retinopathy.
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat
>
> Therefore, it remains smarter to eat less down to the right amount:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater
> understanding:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

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Old 04-19-2008, 12:46 PM
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