Reversal?

Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
possible to be able to eat sugar again?
I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
treats now.
Janie

"Janie" <rhinestone8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> treats now.

Diabetics *can* eat sugar. It all boils down to how much won't spike your
BG and that might be just half a bite. Of course if you are having a hypo,
you NEED to eat sugar.

I do not personally think anyone can reverse diabetes. I have seen books
that say that. You can *control* diabetes. But you'll never be able to go
back to your old way of eating and keep your BG in control.

BTW, I didn't eat sugary stuff prior to diabetes. I did eat a lot of beans
and rice though.

Depends on how much beta cell function you have lost. It might be possible
to "appear" non-diabetic, but if you revert to previous eating habits, it
will still show in your BG results. For example, I am of normal weight
(always have been), but if I eat carby foods, my BG spikes. If I stick to
the foods that are okay for me, my BGs look mostly normal.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5


"Janie" <rhinestone8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> treats now.
> Janie

On May 9, 6:51*pm, Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> treats now.
> Janie

It can be controlled, but not altogether reversed. You will find that
your sugar levels will soar if you eat something loaded with carbs
like a big dish of pasta, lots of cake, etc. I have lost nearly 50
pounds and now I am 6'1 and weigh 186...I tolerate carbs very well and
I am well controlled, however, I will spike right now if I eat the
wrong foods or wrong portion sizes.

On Fri, 9 May 2008 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT), Janie <rhinestone8@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
>loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
>possible to be able to eat sugar again?
>I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
>treats now.
>Janie

If reversal means cure, forget it.

We can reduce the negative effects of
diabetes, usually greatly.

Just do not listen to faddists. These
people decide they have answers but exhibit
no facts. Unfortunately they are adamant in
their views.


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> Janie <rhinestone8@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> >loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> >possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> >I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> >treats now.
> >Janie
>
> If reversal means cure, forget it.

Obes Surg. 2007 Nov;17(11):1421-30.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18219767

BACKGROUND: This report summarizes our 15-year experience with
duodenal switch (DS) as a primary procedure on 1,423 patients from
1992 to 2005. METHODS: Within the last 2 years, follow-up of these
patients, including clinical biochemistry evaluation by us or by their
local physician is 97%. RESULTS: Survival rate was 92% after DS. The
risk of death (Excess Hazard Ratio (EHR)) was 1.2, almost that of the
general population. After a mean of 7.3 years (range 2-15), 92% of
patients with an initial BMI < or = 50 kg/m2 obtained a BMI < 35 and
83% of those with an initial BMI > 50 obtained a BMI < 40. Diabetes
was cured (i.e. medication was discontinued) in 92% and medication
decreased in the others. The use of the CPAP apparatus was
discontinued in 90%, medication for asthma was decreased in 88%, and
the prevalence of a cardiac risk index > 5 was decreased by 86%.
Patients' satisfaction in regard to weight loss was graded 3.6 on a
basis of 5, and 95% of patients were satisfied with the overall
results. Operative mortality was 1% which is comparable with gastric
bypass surgery. The need for revision for malnutrition was rare (0.7%)
and total reversal was exceptional (0.2%). Failure to lose > 25% of
initial excess weight was 1.3%. Revision for failure to lose
sufficient weight was needed in only 1.5%. Severe anemia, deficiency
in vitamins or bone damage were exceptional, easily treatable,
preventable and no permanent damage was documented. CONCLUSION: In the
long-term, DS was very efficient in terms of cure rate for morbid
obesity and its comorbidities. In terms of risk/benefit, DS was very
sucessful with an appropriate system of follow-up.

*** end of abstract ****

For emphasis:

"Diabetes was cured (i.e. medication was discontinued) in 92% and
medication decreased in the others."

In our collective clinical experience, similar results are seen for
type-2 diabetics that lose their VAT (black fat) by simply choosing to
eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Life in industrial countries is essentially life in feed lots.

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

.... by being hungrier:

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Hunger is wonderful:

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It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

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.... gone:

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Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
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Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

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"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

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Amen.

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On 9 May, 23:51, Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> treats now.
> Janie

I was talking to a lady on the bus the other day. I mentioned my
diabetes in a topic on health and she said that a friend of hers had
cured her diabetes. I said, there is no cure for diabetes, only such
control that you can get non-diabetic bg numbers by good control.

I said its a bit like being a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict.
You may not being doing it anymore, but its still there and the moment
you start abusing your body, back comes the indications of harm to the
body.

On 9 May, 23:51, Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> treats now.
> Janie

If reverse doesnt mean cure, then yes, to a certain degree. We can
get our diabetes to a point where we are having non-diabetic blood
glucose levels - but with the right meds, diet and exercise. Alot of
hard work is involved in getting to those kinds of levels. And that
hard work has to continue for the rest of a diabetic's life.

But, it's a bit like a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. If you
are off the stuff, then you get better (there will be harm from the
previous abuse but at least you have saved yourself from further
chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes
the continuing harm.

On May 10, 6:02 am, Helen Back <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 9 May, 23:51, Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> > possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> > treats now.
> > Janie
>
> If reverse doesnt mean cure, then yes, to a certain degree. We can
> get our diabetes to a point where we are having non-diabetic blood
> glucose levels - but with the right meds, diet and exercise. Alot of
> hard work is involved in getting to those kinds of levels. And that
> hard work has to continue for the rest of a diabetic's life.
>
> But, it's a bit like a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. If you
> are off the stuff, then you get better (there will be harm from the
> previous abuse but at least you have saved yourself from further
> chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes
> the continuing harm.

Thanks,everyone. I am a bit concerned at how quickly my numbers spiked
this last year. To me, spiked BG,doubled insulin and kidney infections
tell my my diabetes is worsening. These kidney infections are driving
me crazy. I am,to be honest,getting a little scared. We lost a family
member to diabetes many years ago. She was Type 1 and totally rebelled
during her teenage year,eating what she wanted and not controlling her
BG. We lost her at age 26.
Fact is,the only thing I can do is control my BG for the rest of my
life.
Janie

On Sat, 10 May 2008 03:02:57 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 9 May, 23:51, Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
>> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
>> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
>> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
>> treats now.
>> Janie
>
>If reverse doesnt mean cure, then yes, to a certain degree. We can
>get our diabetes to a point where we are having non-diabetic blood
>glucose levels - but with the right meds, diet and exercise. Alot of
>hard work is involved in getting to those kinds of levels. And that
>hard work has to continue for the rest of a diabetic's life.
>
>But, it's a bit like a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. If you
>are off the stuff, then you get better (there will be harm from the
>previous abuse but at least you have saved yourself from further
>chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes
>the continuing harm.

Helen, it "ain't" that simple. As you read there is a touchy game
with diabetes. Just when you start to feel good about yourself all
hell can break lose.

We do the best we can with what we have and continue to learn.

We can never let down.

The ongoing careful living is necessary for your whole life.

When another illness is acquired, the diabetes will add to
the problem.

As a long term diabetic I have to be very careful to
reduce exposure to other problems. I have learned to
walk away from hassles and to Relax.

I spent most of my life fighting the world and was successful. What
did I end up with?

Just accept you problem and deal with it as best you can. Above
all, learn to ignore the troublemakers and RELAX.

Cure seems to me to be a con job.


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"Janie" <rhinestone8@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 10, 6:02 am, Helen Back <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 9 May, 23:51, Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
>> > loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
>> > possible to be able to eat sugar again?
>> > I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
>> > treats now.
>> > Janie
>>
>> If reverse doesnt mean cure, then yes, to a certain degree. We can
>> get our diabetes to a point where we are having non-diabetic blood
>> glucose levels - but with the right meds, diet and exercise. Alot of
>> hard work is involved in getting to those kinds of levels. And that
>> hard work has to continue for the rest of a diabetic's life.
>>
>> But, it's a bit like a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. If you
>> are off the stuff, then you get better (there will be harm from the
>> previous abuse but at least you have saved yourself from further
>> chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes
>> the continuing harm.
>
> Thanks,everyone. I am a bit concerned at how quickly my numbers spiked
> this last year. To me, spiked BG,doubled insulin and kidney infections
> tell my my diabetes is worsening. These kidney infections are driving
> me crazy. I am,to be honest,getting a little scared. We lost a family
> member to diabetes many years ago. She was Type 1 and totally rebelled
> during her teenage year,eating what she wanted and not controlling her
> BG. We lost her at age 26.
> Fact is,the only thing I can do is control my BG for the rest of my
> life.
> Janie

Infections of any kind tend to raise bG, so you may be in a vicious circle.

Janie wrote:
> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> treats now.

Why do you want "to be able to eat sugar again" if you cringe
at the sight of it?

As for diabetes--as you lose weight, the diabetic condition
may be less severe, but will never be completely gone.
Exercise and healthier foods also help. And please be aware
that almost any food will raise blood sugar, some faster and
higher than others. The trick is to find the ones that don't
raise it enough to cause damage faster than you can heal.

--
Wes Groleau
"If it wasn't for that blasted back-hoe,
a hundred of us could be working with shovels"
"Yeah, and if it weren't for our shovels,
a thousand of us could be working with spoons."

In article
<0043e146-a186-44ad-b53a-f2b177282dd4@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Janie <rhinestone8@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> loss and diet?

No. It is, however, possible to establish excellent control through
treatment.

> If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> possible to be able to eat sugar again?

A type 2 diabetic can eat sugar. However, one is advised to exercise
portion control.

Priscilla, T2

On May 10, 4:28 pm, Priscilla Ballou <vze23...@verizon.net> wrote:
> In article
> <0043e146-a186-44ad-b53a-f2b177282...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> > loss and diet?
>
> No. It is, however, possible to establish excellent control through
> treatment.
>
> > If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> > possible to be able to eat sugar again?
>
> A type 2 diabetic can eat sugar. However, one is advised to exercise
> portion control.
>
> Priscilla, T2

I can't touch ANYTHING with sugar in it. My BG goes through the roof.
Janie

On 10 May, 16:03, g...@consolidated.net wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 03:02:57 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
>
>
>
>
>
> <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >On 9 May, 23:51, Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> >> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> >> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> >> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> >> treats now.
> >> Janie
>
> >If reverse doesnt mean cure, then yes, to a certain degree. *We can
> >get our diabetes to a point where we are having non-diabetic blood
> >glucose levels - but with the right meds, diet and exercise. *Alot of
> >hard work is involved in getting to those kinds of levels. *And that
> >hard work has to continue for the rest of a diabetic's life.
>
> >But, it's a bit like a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. *If you
> >are off the stuff, then you get better (there will be harm from the
> >previous abuse but at least you have saved yourself from further
> >chronic harm). *But once you start abusing the body again, back comes
> >the continuing harm.
>
> Helen, it "ain't" that simple. *As you read there is a touchy game
> with diabetes. *Just when you start to feel good about yourself all
> hell can break lose.
>
> We do the best we can with what we have and continue to learn.
>
> We can never let down.
>
> The ongoing careful living is necessary for your whole life.
>
> When another illness is acquired, the diabetes will add to
> the problem.
>
> As a long term diabetic I have to be very careful to
> reduce exposure to other problems. *I have learned to
> walk away from hassles and to Relax.
>
> I spent most of my life fighting the world and was successful. *What
> did I end up with?
>
> Just accept you problem and deal with it as best you can. *Above
> all, learn to ignore the troublemakers and RELAX.
>
> Cure seems to me to be a con job.
>

Not wishing to offend (and I hope you respond to this because you
dont normally respond to past comments made by myself in your posts!)
- has my comments in this thread contradicted anything because your
response implies so -unless I have completely missed your point?!

convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:

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> convicted friend Helen Back <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

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> > Janie <rhinesto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Is it possible to completely reverse Type 2 diabetes through weight
> >> loss and diet? If a Type 2 diabetics loses a lot of weight,is it
> >> possible to be able to eat sugar again?
> >> I have about 25 more pounds to go. I cringe at the sight of sugary
> >> treats now.
> >> Janie
> >
> >If reverse doesnt mean cure, then yes, to a certain degree. We can
> >get our diabetes to a point where we are having non-diabetic blood
> >glucose levels - but with the right meds, diet and exercise. Alot of
> >hard work is involved in getting to those kinds of levels. And that
> >hard work has to continue for the rest of a diabetic's life.
> >
> >But, it's a bit like a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict. If you
> >are off the stuff, then you get better (there will be harm from the
> >previous abuse but at least you have saved yourself from further
> >chronic harm). But once you start abusing the body again, back comes
> >the continuing harm.
>
> Helen, it "ain't" that simple. As you read there is a touchy game
> with diabetes. Just when you start to feel good about yourself all
> hell can break lose.
>
> We do the best we can with what we have and continue to learn.

It is becoming ever clearer that type-2 diabetes is an acquired
medical problem caused by overeating.

We started learning this when it was shown that by eating less, new
cases of type-2 diabetes can be prevented.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/346/6/393

"Our results support the hypothesis that type 2 diabetes can be
prevented or delayed in persons at high risk for the disease. The
incidence of diabetes was reduced by 58 percent with the lifestyle
intervention and by 31 percent with metformin, as compared with
placebo. These effects were similar in men and women and in all racial
and ethnic groups. The intensive lifestyle intervention was at least
as effective in older participants as it was in younger participants.
The results of our study extend previous data showing that lifestyle
interventions can reduce the incidence of diabetes and demonstrate the
applicability of this finding to the ethnically and culturally diverse
population of the United States. The risk reduction associated with
the lifestyle intervention in our study was the same as that in a
study conducted in Finland, and was higher than the reductions
associated with diet (31 percent), exercise (46 percent), and diet
plus exercise (42 percent) in a study in China."

*** end excerpt ***

It remains much smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Life in industrialized countries is essentially life in blessed feed
lots.

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels

On Fri, 9 May 2008 18:32:53 -0700, "Michelle C" <bookbug1@frys.com>
wrote:

>Depends on how much beta cell function you have lost. It might be possible
>to "appear" non-diabetic, but if you revert to previous eating habits, it
>will still show in your BG results. For example, I am of normal weight
>(always have been), but if I eat carby foods, my BG spikes. If I stick to
>the foods that are okay for me, my BGs look mostly normal.

Diito. Plus my lipids have returned to normal as has my blood pressure
(OK I also take medications), my peripheral neuropathy has mostly gone
away, I only have to piss once per night, and I lost the weight I;d
put on

thanks to the kind folks here

BUT

I can throw all this away just by eating a Healthy Wholegrain
breakfast with orange juice, let alone anything worse