Reversed or "cured". That is the question

"Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

SugarQueen wrote:
> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
> say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
> here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
> it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks
>

Aside from women who recover completely (at least for a while) from
Gestational Diabetes, the answer is NO.

By the time your pancreas can no longer keep up with BG to the point
that you are diagnosable, there has already been damage done to its
capacity. That damage is irreversible.

Sorry. Denial is never pretty.

Jim

On Jul 30, 10:45 pm, SugarQueen <cwgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
> say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
> here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
> it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

Yeah, SugarQueen, your sweet love totally cured me...now gimmie some
ice cream!

Andrew (SugarKing)

SugarQueen <cwgirly@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--

> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic."

In whose opinion? If you want to be diagnosed by a doctor as no longer
diabetic you first have to find a doctor who believes that it's
possible, and then if your condition convinces that doctor you have to
choose to believe that doctor rather than thoe other doctors.

There are a few folk walking around of whom doctors say, "We must have
been mistaken in our original diagnosis of diabetes, because you
clearly are not diabetic now, and since diabetes is not curable, you
therefore can't have been diabetic then."

Since there is some agreement that pre-diabetes is reversible, and if
unchecked it can develop into diabetes which is irreversible, there
will necessarily be a grey area of mistaken diagnosis at the boundary
between the two.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:45:12 -0700, SugarQueen
<cwgirly@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
>I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
>their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
>person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
>if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
>say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
>I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
>with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
>diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
>people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
>here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
>personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
>completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
>no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
>someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
>it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
>or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
>I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

Neither I nor anyone I know has been "reversed" or "cured".
I do know several people who now have indicators which, to a
casual doctor, may lead to a lack of diagnosis: normal A1c,
normal FBG. But, as soon as those people eat a significant
carb load their meters would show a BG above normal range.

I only need to eat a single banana after breakfast to prove
that to myself.

However, I am convinced that those people who maintain good
control will stave off complications much longer than those
who aren't, so it is well worth the effort. But they aren't
cured.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On 31 Jul 2007 09:44:25 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>In whose opinion? If you want to be diagnosed by a doctor as no longer
>diabetic you first have to find a doctor who believes that it's
>possible, and then if your condition convinces that doctor you have to
>choose to believe that doctor rather than thoe other doctors.
>
>There are a few folk walking around of whom doctors say, "We must have
>been mistaken in our original diagnosis of diabetes, because you
>clearly are not diabetic now, and since diabetes is not curable, you
>therefore can't have been diabetic then."
>
>Since there is some agreement that pre-diabetes is reversible, and if
>unchecked it can develop into diabetes which is irreversible, there
>will necessarily be a grey area of mistaken diagnosis at the boundary
>between the two.

One of my daughters was diagnosed as T2 diabetic 15 yrs. ago... She
went on a diet, exercised... did all the right stuff. It seemingly
went away, although I doubted that it was gone. Sure enough, a year an
a ahlf, or so ago, she was diagnosed as diabetic again...

I think what must have happened was that she was actually pre-diabetic
before, postponed the hardcore case, by shaping up, and then resumed
the downhill slide into true diabetes. She used to go through a whole
case of sodas every week...

Will, T2

friend Chris Malcolm wrote:
> SugarQueen <cwgirly@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
>
> > I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> > their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> > person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> > if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic."
>
> In whose opinion? If you want to be diagnosed by a doctor as no longer
> diabetic you first have to find a doctor who believes that it's
> possible, and then if your condition convinces that doctor you have to
> choose to believe that doctor rather than thoe other doctors.
>
> There are a few folk walking around of whom doctors say, "We must have
> been mistaken in our original diagnosis of diabetes, because you
> clearly are not diabetic now, and since diabetes is not curable, you
> therefore can't have been diabetic then."

This would be a circular argument where greater faith is placed on
type-2 diabetes being incurable than on the reliability of the type-2
diabetes diagnosis.

Meanwhile, our bariatric surgeons are touting a surgical cure for
type-2 diabetes.

> Since there is some agreement that pre-diabetes is reversible, and if
> unchecked it can develop into diabetes which is irreversible, there
> will necessarily be a grey area of mistaken diagnosis at the boundary
> between the two.

No such thing as a grey area of mistaken diagnosis.

If there were, there would no longer be any grounds for medical
malpractice liability for mistaken diagnoses.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

Our friend from atlanta was of the opinion:

"No such thing as a grey area of mistaken diagnosis.

If there were, there would no longer be any grounds for medical
malpractice liability for mistaken diagnoses."

All the more evidence in the area of diabetes and related metabolic
disorders to ignore the above source. Inthe past couple of decades the
arbitrary point to diagnose diabetes has steadily come down as measured
by glucose levels. Diabetes is a stage in a range of metabolic
disorders, it is not a black and white definition in the gray areas of
its course.

Unless and untill any opinion of the above source has been confirmed
independently by expert sources first, it is best to ignore opinions
coming from it.

God bless.

"Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote in message
news95ua3hnkh3ipauhu2sb5r1m15essklv5p@4ax.com...
> On 31 Jul 2007 09:44:25 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>In whose opinion? If you want to be diagnosed by a doctor as no longer
>>diabetic you first have to find a doctor who believes that it's
>>possible, and then if your condition convinces that doctor you have to
>>choose to believe that doctor rather than thoe other doctors.
>>
>>There are a few folk walking around of whom doctors say, "We must have
>>been mistaken in our original diagnosis of diabetes, because you
>>clearly are not diabetic now, and since diabetes is not curable, you
>>therefore can't have been diabetic then."
>>
>>Since there is some agreement that pre-diabetes is reversible, and if
>>unchecked it can develop into diabetes which is irreversible, there
>>will necessarily be a grey area of mistaken diagnosis at the boundary
>>between the two.
>
> One of my daughters was diagnosed as T2 diabetic 15 yrs. ago... She
> went on a diet, exercised... did all the right stuff. It seemingly
> went away, although I doubted that it was gone. Sure enough, a year an
> a ahlf, or so ago, she was diagnosed as diabetic again...
>
> I think what must have happened was that she was actually pre-diabetic
> before, postponed the hardcore case, by shaping up, and then resumed
> the downhill slide into true diabetes. She used to go through a whole
> case of sodas every week...
>
> Will, T2

Will, your answer made the most sense. T-2's can possibly control diabetes
by diet
and exercise. I just went to a MiniMed carb counting class before I got my
pump.
Both these T-2's were overweight, get no exercise, one has an A1C of 9.5,
doesn't
check her bg and has had a pump for over 6 years.

I am a T-1 and will always have to take insulin. I weigh 140 and take about
20 units
of Novolg a day. I check myself at least 6 times a day & by getting a pump
at age 67
I hope to lower my A1C from 7.2 to 6.0. I was taking insulin 5 times a day
because
I had to split the Lantus dose. (long story)

Charlie in SC T-1 since 1971

Sugar Queen, there is no cure and there is no reversal. There is
remission. If a person complies and does everytthing right that person
will live life like a non diabetic. But if that person has a binge of
say a whole cake, the high numbers will be back.

Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
>
> Sugar Queen, there is no cure and there is no reversal.

Untrue.

> There is remission.

Remission would describe the diagnosis of lymphoma and not diabetes.

> If a person complies and does everytthing right that person
> will live life like a non diabetic.

Such a person would no longer have the diagnosis of diabetes written
in his/her medical record if with normal HgbA1c, normal FBG, no
medications and on a normal diet.

> But if that person has a binge of
> say a whole cake, the high numbers will be back.

It is possible to bring about high post-prandial blood glucose numbers
in everyone by overfeeding with a whole cake and yet not everyone has
diabetes.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:45:12 -0700, SugarQueen <cwgirly@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
>I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
>their diabetes.

No - and you'll never find a single person who can make that claim,
because it's an impossibility. "Well controlled" - yes, you'll find a
cluster of us here, lots over on the Bernstein forum, others scattered
around. "Cured" - no.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Jul 30, 10:45 pm, SugarQueen <cwgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
> say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
> here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
> it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

Hi Sugar Queen,

In answer to your question, I could go to the doctor now, get a FBG
and an A1C and my tests would come out normal. I manage by diet and
exercise. My diet is lower carb. However if the doctor were to do a
glucose tolerance test on me, which entails ingestings 75 grams of
carbs at one time, I would fail. So I "appear" to be non-diabetic,
but I'm not.

That said, there are people who are overweight and sedentary, who have
"pre-diabetes". They haven't caused too much damage to the pancreas
yet. If they lose weight and start exercising, their BGs will become
normal. However, if they return to their previous ways, they will
again be on the road to diabetes.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

SugarQueen wrote in message
>personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
>completely to where their BG is within the normal range
(non-diabetic)
>no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
>someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry
about
>it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
>or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
>I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

No.

Cheri

"SugarQueen" <cwgirly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185860712.542037.220680@j4g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
> say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
> here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
> it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

Exercise seemed to be the key for me.
when I was first diagnosed even a very small amount of carbs would give me
high numbers.
Once I started to exercise I was able to eat much larger amounts of carbs
and have better numbers
even with out medications. if someone were to ask me what is the most
important thing a diabetic can do
when diagnosed.. EXERCISE.


--
Tom

www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com

Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web
Site.
http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/...esz&redirCnt=1

Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association
www.diabetes.org

Information on Specific Types of Fat.
http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...cific-fats.jsp

On Jul 31, 12:05 pm, "Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
> "SugarQueen" <cwgi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1185860712.542037.220680@j4g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
> > I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> > their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> > person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> > if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
> > say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
> > I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
> > with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
> > diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
> > people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
> > here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
> > personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
> > completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
> > no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
> > someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
> > it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
> > or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
> > I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks
>
> Exercise seemed to be the key for me.
> when I was first diagnosed even a very small amount of carbs would give me
> high numbers.
> Once I started to exercise I was able to eat much larger amounts of carbs
> and have better numbers
> even with out medications. if someone were to ask me what is the most
> important thing a diabetic can do
> when diagnosed.. EXERCISE.
>
> --
> Tom
>
> www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com
>
> Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web
> Site.http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/...x&webtag=amdia...
>
> Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Associationwww.diabetes.org
>
> Information on Specific Types of Fat.http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...dlabel/spe...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You are right, Tom. Exercise is the single most noticeable lifestyle
change that has helped me to get my numbers down. Continued,
progressive, sweating, grunting, "I hate this, I hate this...hey, I
feel pretty good" exercise. The more the merrier. Not discounting
diet (or meds for those that need them). I think D&E go together
because you need good fuel if you are going to exercise. But exercise
can cover some pretty bad meal choices from time to time.

Andrew t2
D&E a1c5.5

hoodyup@yahoo.com wrote in message
<1185910342.374669.77180@m37g2000prh.googlegroups. com>...
>On Jul 31, 12:05 pm, "Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
>> "SugarQueen" <cwgi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1185860712.542037.220680@j4g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
>> > I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
>> > their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you
think a
>> > person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to
know
>> > if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had
an MD
>> > say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant
curable.
>> > I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a
question
>> > with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are
not a
>> > diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well
if
>> > people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't
be
>> > here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
>> > personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
>> > completely to where their BG is within the normal range
(non-diabetic)
>> > no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
>> > someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry
about
>> > it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding
blunt
>> > or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important,
but
>> > I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks
>>
>> Exercise seemed to be the key for me.
>> when I was first diagnosed even a very small amount of carbs would
give me
>> high numbers.
>> Once I started to exercise I was able to eat much larger amounts of
carbs
>> and have better numbers
>> even with out medications. if someone were to ask me what is the
most
>> important thing a diabetic can do
>> when diagnosed.. EXERCISE.
>>
>> --
>> Tom
>>
>> www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com
>>
>> Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes
Associations Web
>>
Site.http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/...index&webtag=a
mdia...
>>
>> Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes
Associationwww.diabetes.org
>>
>> Information on Specific Types of
Fat.http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...ion/foodlabel/
spe...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>You are right, Tom. Exercise is the single most noticeable lifestyle
>change that has helped me to get my numbers down. Continued,
>progressive, sweating, grunting, "I hate this, I hate this...hey, I
>feel pretty good" exercise. The more the merrier. Not discounting
>diet (or meds for those that need them). I think D&E go together
>because you need good fuel if you are going to exercise. But
exercise
>can cover some pretty bad meal choices from time to time.
>
>Andrew t2
>D&E a1c5.5

Yes, true, but that wasn't the question SugarQueen asked, and
excercise won't *cure* diabetes.

Cheri

>
> Yes, true, but that wasn't the question SugarQueen asked, and
> excercise won't *cure* diabetes.
>
> Cheri- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I know, Cheri, and that seems to be the consensus -- there is no known
cure, only good ways to fight it. Apparently a Pancreas can only
stand so much abuse, and it can't stands no more. Once you have
diabetes you must own it, and daily come out swingin' to knock it down
into it's place. SugarQueen is just hoping that I'll buy some ice
cream at the store....Dang her Norwegian Pancreas! ;-P

Andrew t2 (still)

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:45:12 -0700, SugarQueen wrote:

> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
> say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
> here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
> it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

Not me personally, but my mother-in-law seems to have escaped. She was
diagnosed a number of years ago, was on oral meds and practised diet and
exercise control. She no longer requires meds, is on a 'normal' diet and
has normal BG numbers. I have no idea what happened. Was she
mis-diagnosed? Did she have some extreme temporary situation?

On Jul 31, 10:36 am, Nicky <ukc802466...@btconnect.com> wrote:
> No - and you'll never find a single person who can make that claim,
> because it's an impossibility.

Well, not a rational, sane person, no. We see one individual (who
clearly falls into other groups than "sane" and "rational") make the
claim.

Then again, he makes lots of unsupportable and irrational claims.

--
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly
preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottom line: It remains wise to be peanut-free.

May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with
unconditionally.

Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Prayerfully in Lizard-Spit's awesome love,
Gene Goldman
http://heartmdphd.com/Convicts/
T2
Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspartame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin

Consuming copious amounts of Aspartame-laden soft drinks with reckless
abandon!
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.

hoodyup@yahoo.com wrote in message

>I know, Cheri, and that seems to be the consensus -- there is no
known
>cure, only good ways to fight it. Apparently a Pancreas can only
>stand so much abuse, and it can't stands no more. Once you have
>diabetes you must own it, and daily come out swingin' to knock it
down
>into it's place. SugarQueen is just hoping that I'll buy some ice
>cream at the store....Dang her Norwegian Pancreas! ;-P
>
>Andrew t2 (still)


LOL, sounds like you two have a great relationship. :-)

Cheri

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:15:08 -0500, "J.C. Hartmann" <jch@meadecom.com>
wrote:

>SugarQueen wrote:
>> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
>> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
>> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
>> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
>> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
>> say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
>> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
>> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
>> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
>> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
>> here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
>> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
>> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
>> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
>> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
>> it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
>> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
>> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks
>>
>
>Aside from women who recover completely (at least for a while) from
>Gestational Diabetes, the answer is NO.
>
>By the time your pancreas can no longer keep up with BG to the point
>that you are diagnosable, there has already been damage done to its
>capacity. That damage is irreversible.
>
>Sorry. Denial is never pretty.
>
>Jim


In my 30+ years as a diabetic, I have exactly the same experience as
JC on this one.

anyone who claims differently on this one is a liar.

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SugarQueen wrote:
>
> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
> say that diabetes is reversible.

MDs are seeing the reversing/curing of type-2 diabetes in folks who
lose their visceral adipose tissue (VAT).

> I'm not sure if that meant curable.
> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
> here on this group."

Correct.

Moreover, the folks in ASD are religiously biased to disbelieve any
testimonials about type-2 diabetes being cured.

> Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
> it ever again--not a temporary thing.

I personally know former type-2 diabetics who now have FBGs and HgbA1c
within normal (non-diabetic) range despite being off meds and on a
regular non-ADA diet. They are using the 2PD-OMER Approach to keep
from regaining the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) but this does not
effect their regular diet.

> I apologize for sounding blunt
> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks

You are welcome.

Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that
much more blessed (hungrier).

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

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Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
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Cardiologist

Wow thank you all for you input. I'm going to take the conclusion/
answer to my question as a big 10-NO! Then the answer is if you have
it, manage it to get the best results possible. Ok then. There is no
hope of eating an entire chocolate cake with my husband in the future.
Don't worry I won't eat it all alone. I won't even bake one. Sorry
honeee, no ice cream. I'm not diabetic. I can eat a ton of sweets at
one time with 0 that's 0 raise in BG. However, having a hubby that is
T2 is making me feel a lot better because we eat pretty much the same
foods except for my Yoplait pina colada yogurt and a peanut butter,
raisin, and wholewheat bread sandwhiches. I'm younger than he is, so
now is a good time for me to eat well too. I also cut out the sweets.
Who needs all that sugary stuff anyway? Not me. I've cut out sugar in
the decaf. I'm trying to get him to toss the artificial sweeteners and
have the coffee and cream and that's it. Who needs all that weird
stuff anyway? Bottom line--live well and eat right. It benefits a
person with MS too.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:58:40 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:45:12 -0700, SugarQueen wrote:
>
>> "Sugar Queen" here aka Andrew's wife--
>> I'd like to know if anyone in this group EVER completely reversed
>> their diabetes. Now I'm not looking for opinions on what you think a
>> person should do to attempt to reach that goal, I would like to know
>> if any of you have actually become "no longer a diabetic." I had an MD
>> say that diabetes is reversible. I'm not sure if that meant curable.
>> I'm looking for testimonials from actualy people. This is a question
>> with a "yes" or "no" answer. You were a diabetic and now you are not a
>> diabetic. Plain and simple. Ok. You are probably thinking "well if
>> people have had it reversed and became normal then they wouldn't be
>> here on this group." Ok then. How about...do you know of anyone
>> personally--friend or relative--who has reversed their diabetes
>> completely to where their BG is within the normal range (non-diabetic)
>> no matter what was eaten and no medication was taken and you or
>> someone has gone on with their merry life and never had to worry about
>> it ever again--not a temporary thing. I apologize for sounding blunt
>> or demanding but please just the facts. Opinions are important, but
>> I'm not asking for opinions, Thanks
>
>Not me personally, but my mother-in-law seems to have escaped. She was
>diagnosed a number of years ago, was on oral meds and practised diet and
>exercise control. She no longer requires meds, is on a 'normal' diet and
>has normal BG numbers. I have no idea what happened. Was she
>mis-diagnosed? Did she have some extreme temporary situation?

"She no longer requires meds, is on a 'normal' diet and has
normal BG numbers."

Have you ever tested her an hour after breakfast?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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... then follow me to Lourdes ..

))
"Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ...
> Sugar Queen, there is no cure and there is no reversal. There is
> remission. If a person complies and does everytthing right that person
> will live life like a non diabetic. But if that person has a binge of
> say a whole cake, the high numbers will be back.
>

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 01:23:43 +0200, " Frank t2" <a@b.c> wrote:

>
>.. then follow me to Lourdes ..
>
>))
>"Loretta Eisenberg" <sassybklynlady@webtv.net> a écrit ...
>> Sugar Queen, there is no cure and there is no reversal. There is
>> remission. If a person complies and does everytthing right that person
>> will live life like a non diabetic. But if that person has a binge of
>> say a whole cake, the high numbers will be back.
>>
>


Uh, Frank... I don't think many people here understand the mystique of
Lourdes....

Will, T2

Will, T2 wrote in message ...

>Uh, Frank... I don't think many people here understand the mystique
of
>Lourdes....
>
>Will, T2

Oh, I'm pretty sure most of them do.

Cheri

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:43:29 -0700, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
wrote:

>
>Will, T2 wrote in message ...
>
>>Uh, Frank... I don't think many people here understand the mystique
>of
>>Lourdes....
>>
>>Will, T2
>
>Oh, I'm pretty sure most of them do.
>
>Cheri
>


Well, in that case, party on dudes....

Will, T2

convicted neighbor Will, T2 wrote:
<snip>
>
> One of my daughters was diagnosed as T2 diabetic 15 yrs. ago... She
> went on a diet, exercised... did all the right stuff.

Without eating less, down to the right amount, all is not right.

> It seemingly went away, although I doubted that it was gone.

Without eating less, down to the right amount to become hungrier
(healthier), the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) would persist.

> Sure enough, a year an
> a ahlf, or so ago, she was diagnosed as diabetic again...

Not surprising when VAT persists.

> I think what must have happened was that she was actually pre-diabetic
> before, postponed the hardcore case, by shaping up, and then resumed
> the downhill slide into true diabetes. She used to go through a whole
> case of sodas every week...

That would be overeating and so VAT would persist. Sad to read this
about your daughter.

It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount to lose the
VAT, cure the IR/MetS, and possibly cure the type-2 diabetes:

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