The S-word

G'day G'day Folks,

The 7th of October edition of the New Scientist examine the
proposition that all people over forty would benefit from being on
statins.

Statins lower cholesterol. They also lower the death rate from
coronary heart disease. They do so more effectively than can be
accounted for from their cholesterol lowering. Other modes of action
appear to be reduction in inflammation and surprisingly helping the
same pathways that Vit D effects.

Of course there are some people who can't take statins and there are
those who'd like to gain the same benefits without making statins
their first resort.

Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New Zealand it is
said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is sufficient
to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same exposure in Winter
supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It is especially in
Winter that one must think about getting one's Vit D second hand. In
some countries the deaths from coronary heart attacks goes up by as
much as 50%. Some of this is attributable to lower sunlight and lower
Vit D. Of course there are other factors. As T2 diabetics who wish
to live with a minimum of complications it is natural to aim for
quality of food rather than quantity. In this instance it may well
mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful source of Vit D. So are
canned fish such as sardines.

For advice on anti-inflammatory foods it is hard to beat Jack
Challem's book on Anti-inflammatory Diet. For regular readers of asd
there is nothing very new. Eat vegetables, fish, nuts, berries, olive
oil etc.

For advice on how to lower cholesterol a good starting point might be
the Portfolio diet

http://portfolioeatingplan.com/About...temNumber=4357

(this URL give information on a recent non-vegan study known as the
forth study that achieves success and so is more useful to those on
asd who aren't vegan or even vegetarian.)

or 50 Ways to Lower your Cholesterol by Mary P McGowan and Jo McGowan
Chopra.

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

: Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New Zealand it is
: said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is sufficient
: to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same exposure in Winter
: supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It is especially in
: Winter that one must think about getting one's Vit D second hand. In
: some countries the deaths from coronary heart attacks goes up by as
: much as 50%. Some of this is attributable to lower sunlight and lower
: Vit D. Of course there are other factors. As T2 diabetics who wish
: to live with a minimum of complications it is natural to aim for
: quality of food rather than quantity. In this instance it may well
: mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful source of Vit D. So are
: canned fish such as sardines.

How about that old standby of my youth, hated by most kids (except my best
friend, Barbara, cod liver oil? Of course, the cod is not as easy or
cheap to come by as it was in teh 1940's. Now tht ws a great source of
vitamin D

How are other fish, eaten fresh, like blue fish, mackeral, salmon, etc,
all oily ones?

Wendy

Quentin Grady wrote:

>
> Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New
Zealand it
> is said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is
> sufficient to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same
exposure in
> Winter supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It
is
> especially in Winter that one must think about getting one's
Vit D
> second hand. In some countries the deaths from coronary heart
> attacks goes up by as much as 50%. Some of this is
attributable to
> lower sunlight and lower Vit D. Of course there are other
factors.
> As T2 diabetics who wish to live with a minimum of
complications it
> is natural to aim for quality of food rather than quantity. In
this
> instance it may well mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful
> source of Vit D. So are canned fish such as sardines.

In the summer, I get D from the sun and milk. In the winter it's
from milk and cod liver oil. I take cod liver oil once/week.
Out in the sun for 20-30 minutes, 3 time per week, with as much
skin exposed as possible will restock your D supplies unless you
live far north or far south.

C

Quentin Grady wrote:
> G'day G'day Folks,
>
> The 7th of October edition of the New Scientist examine the
> proposition that all people over forty would benefit from being on
> statins.
>
> Statins lower cholesterol. They also lower the death rate from
> coronary heart disease. They do so more effectively than can be
> accounted for from their cholesterol lowering. Other modes of action
> appear to be reduction in inflammation and surprisingly helping the
> same pathways that Vit D effects.
>

If you can hack through the abstract below well and good. Otherwise it
discusses the effect of the statins, simvastatin and pravastatin, on the
vitamin E - Gamma tocopherol. Most vitamin E sold over the counter is
the alpha-tocopherol variety. "... pravastatin did not affect whereas
simvastatin significantly augmented plasma gamma-T levels ..." The
significance is that not all statins have the same effect.
Supplementing with alpha-tocopherol has been reported to reduce Gamma
tocopherol. Some of the negative reporting on vitamin E supplementation
relates to this issue.

A new compound-specific pleiotropic effect of statins: Modification of
plasma gamma-tocopherol levels - http://tinyurl.com/w5jlj.
"Gamma tocopherol (gamma-T) is a recognized peroxynitrite scavenger,
reputedly metabolized via the cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4). In this
study, we assessed whether equipotent LDL-lowering doses of statins with
or without inhibitory activity on CYP3A4 differently affect gamma-T
metabolism. Patients with ATP III criteria for statin use (n=35) were
randomly allocated to treatment with simvastatin 20mg/day or pravastatin
40mg/day. Plasma lipids, alpha-tocopherol (alpha-T), gamma-T as well as
the urinary excretion of the gamma-T metabolite
2,7,8-trimethyl-2-(2'carboxyethyl)-6-hydroxychroman (gamma-CEHC), were
determined at baseline and after 6 weeks of treatment. Pravastatin and
simvastatin equally reduced LDL-C (-42.8+/-2.9 and -42.1+/-3.0%) and
alpha-T levels (-17.5+/-4.2 and -12.2+/-4.1%), and increased the
alpha-T/LDL-C ratios (51.4+/-14.6 and 60.4+/-15%). Conversely,
pravastatin did not affect whereas simvastatin significantly augmented
plasma gamma-T levels (22+/-7.9%, p=0.009, between groups p=0.0045).
Moreover, the gamma-T/LDL-C ratio increased significantly more with
simvastatin than with pravastatin (124+/-23 versus 61.3+/-22.1%, p=0.05
between groups). In addition, pravastatin but not simvastatin increased
the urinary excretion of gamma-CEHC (34.3+/-17.3%, p=0.056; between
groups p=0.046). In conclusion, simvastatin and pravastatin produced
distinct effects on gamma-T metabolism, presumably as a result of
different statin-CYP interactions. PMID: 16860808"

Frank

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>: Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New Zealand it is
>: said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is sufficient
>: to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same exposure in Winter
>: supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It is especially in
>: Winter that one must think about getting one's Vit D second hand. In
>: some countries the deaths from coronary heart attacks goes up by as
>: much as 50%. Some of this is attributable to lower sunlight and lower
>: Vit D. Of course there are other factors. As T2 diabetics who wish
>: to live with a minimum of complications it is natural to aim for
>: quality of food rather than quantity. In this instance it may well
>: mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful source of Vit D. So are
>: canned fish such as sardines.
>
>How about that old standby of my youth, hated by most kids (except my best
>friend, Barbara, cod liver oil? Of course, the cod is not as easy or
>cheap to come by as it was in teh 1940's. Now tht ws a great source of
>vitamin D

G'day G'day Wendy,

Cod liver oil is a great source of Vit D. For some it is too great
a source. I believe there is a serious issue for women who might be
pregnant possibly without realising it. Since I wasn't up with the
details I avoided the issue. One of the strengths of ASD is that for
someone it will be a live issue they'll provide the details because
they are important.

>How are other fish, eaten fresh, like blue fish, mackeral, salmon, etc,
>all oily ones?

Good point Wendy. Oily fish may well make the difference between life
and the other in Winter time. Mackerel is usually cheap whether
tinned or fresh. Some people find the taste too strong and that helps
keep the cost down. That is where clever chefs come into their own.

>Wendy

Best wishes,

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:17:47 -0700, "Chrome" <physio@logger.us>
wrote:

>In the summer, I get D from the sun and milk. In the winter it's
>from milk and cod liver oil. I take cod liver oil once/week.
>Out in the sun for 20-30 minutes, 3 time per week, with as much
>skin exposed as possible will restock your D supplies unless you
>live far north or far south.
>
>C

G'day G'day Chrome,

I had to get out my reading glasses to check your pseudonym. Yes it
does say Chrome, appropriate I guess for someone wishing perhaps to
reduce insulin resistance or simply someone who shines brightly even
on dull days <grin>

FWIIW, the high voltage has gone on my screen and the focus is a bit
soft.

I'm impressed to see you taking cod liver oil, I really thought it had
gone out of fashion. I never have taken cod liver oil and wonder how
one takes it. Is it by the teaspoon with holding of noses, the
classic television way or is there some more civilized way. We all
learn from one another.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:46:24 -0400, Jefferson <xyz@adelphia.netng>
wrote:

>Quentin Grady wrote:
>> G'day G'day Folks,
>>
>> The 7th of October edition of the New Scientist examine the
>> proposition that all people over forty would benefit from being on
>> statins.
>>
>> Statins lower cholesterol. They also lower the death rate from
>> coronary heart disease. They do so more effectively than can be
>> accounted for from their cholesterol lowering. Other modes of action
>> appear to be reduction in inflammation and surprisingly helping the
>> same pathways that Vit D effects.
>>
>
>If you can hack through the abstract below well and good. Otherwise it
>discusses the effect of the statins, simvastatin and pravastatin, on the
>vitamin E - Gamma tocopherol. Most vitamin E sold over the counter is
>the alpha-tocopherol variety. "... pravastatin did not affect whereas
>simvastatin significantly augmented plasma gamma-T levels ..." The
>significance is that not all statins have the same effect.
>Supplementing with alpha-tocopherol has been reported to reduce Gamma
>tocopherol. Some of the negative reporting on vitamin E supplementation
>relates to this issue.

G'day G'day Frank,

I have suspected as much. That and incorrect stereochemistry of the
alpha-tocopherol. The sad reality is the people go for BIG numbers on
supplement bottles and the numbers on Vit E bottles are
alpha-tocopherol equivalents. Alpha-tocopherol equivalents are great
if you're a rat and need to get pregnant. From then on it gets
debatable whether alpha-tocopherol is the most important. True it
does survive passing through the liver and the other tocopherols don't
but perhaps those that don't pass through the liver do something
important in the liver. That is why they don't pass through. Then
there are the tocotrienols. IMHO, history seems to be on the side of
not trying to be too clever but to accept the balance that humans have
evolved with in their diet.

>A new compound-specific pleiotropic effect of statins: Modification of
>plasma gamma-tocopherol levels - http://tinyurl.com/w5jlj.
>"Gamma tocopherol (gamma-T) is a recognized peroxynitrite scavenger,
>reputedly metabolized via the cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4). In this
>study, we assessed whether equipotent LDL-lowering doses of statins with
>or without inhibitory activity on CYP3A4 differently affect gamma-T
>metabolism. Patients with ATP III criteria for statin use (n=35) were
>randomly allocated to treatment with simvastatin 20mg/day or pravastatin
>40mg/day. Plasma lipids, alpha-tocopherol (alpha-T), gamma-T as well as
>the urinary excretion of the gamma-T metabolite
>2,7,8-trimethyl-2-(2'carboxyethyl)-6-hydroxychroman (gamma-CEHC), were
>determined at baseline and after 6 weeks of treatment. Pravastatin and
>simvastatin equally reduced LDL-C (-42.8+/-2.9 and -42.1+/-3.0%) and
>alpha-T levels (-17.5+/-4.2 and -12.2+/-4.1%), and increased the
>alpha-T/LDL-C ratios (51.4+/-14.6 and 60.4+/-15%). Conversely,
>pravastatin did not affect whereas simvastatin significantly augmented
>plasma gamma-T levels (22+/-7.9%, p=0.009, between groups p=0.0045).
>Moreover, the gamma-T/LDL-C ratio increased significantly more with
>simvastatin than with pravastatin (124+/-23 versus 61.3+/-22.1%, p=0.05
>between groups). In addition, pravastatin but not simvastatin increased
>the urinary excretion of gamma-CEHC (34.3+/-17.3%, p=0.056; between
>groups p=0.046). In conclusion, simvastatin and pravastatin produced
>distinct effects on gamma-T metabolism, presumably as a result of
>different statin-CYP interactions. PMID: 16860808"
>
>Frank

Thanks Frank, It is one where we really do need a take home message
for those on statins. My GP has thrown most every thing else at me
recently but has never so much as mentioned the S-word.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady wrote:
> This post not CC'd by email
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:17:47 -0700, "Chrome"
<physio@logger.us>
> wrote:
>
>> In the summer, I get D from the sun and milk. In the winter
it's
>> from milk and cod liver oil. I take cod liver oil once/week.
>> Out in the sun for 20-30 minutes, 3 time per week, with as
much
>> skin exposed as possible will restock your D supplies unless
you
>> live far north or far south.
>>
>> C
>
> G'day G'day Chrome,
>
> I had to get out my reading glasses to check your pseudonym.
Yes
> it does say Chrome, appropriate I guess for someone wishing
perhaps
> to reduce insulin resistance or simply someone who shines
brightly
> even on dull days <grin>
>
> FWIIW, the high voltage has gone on my screen and the focus is
a bit
> soft.
>
> I'm impressed to see you taking cod liver oil, I really
thought it
> had gone out of fashion. I never have taken cod liver oil and
> wonder how one takes it. Is it by the teaspoon with holding
of
> noses, the classic television way or is there some more
civilized
> way. We all learn from one another.

I take it in softgel form but you can get lemon flavor as a
liquid.

This is the product I take:
http://tinyurl.com/y54rgb

Look under 'Products' for different fish oils.

I only take it once/week because cod liver oil is high in
vitamin A. Now there's a version that is low in A. I may try it.


C
>
> Best wishes,

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:21:55 -0700, "Chrome" <phylio@locker.org>
wrote:

>I take it in softgel form but you can get lemon flavor as a
>liquid.
>
>This is the product I take:
>http://tinyurl.com/y54rgb
>
>Look under 'Products' for different fish oils.
>
>I only take it once/week because cod liver oil is high in
>vitamin A. Now there's a version that is low in A. I may try it.
>
>
>C

G'day G'day Chrome,

That low Vit A version sounds like it has a useful built in safety
factor. Thanks for the information.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> This post not CC'd by email
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:17:47 -0700, "Chrome" <physio@logger.us>
> wrote:

>>In the summer, I get D from the sun and milk. In the winter it's
>>from milk and cod liver oil. I take cod liver oil once/week.
>>Out in the sun for 20-30 minutes, 3 time per week, with as much
>>skin exposed as possible will restock your D supplies unless you
>>live far north or far south.

> G'day G'day Chrome,

> I had to get out my reading glasses to check your pseudonym. Yes it
> does say Chrome, appropriate I guess for someone wishing perhaps to
> reduce insulin resistance or simply someone who shines brightly even
> on dull days <grin>

> FWIIW, the high voltage has gone on my screen and the focus is a bit
> soft.

> I'm impressed to see you taking cod liver oil, I really thought it had
> gone out of fashion. I never have taken cod liver oil and wonder how
> one takes it. Is it by the teaspoon with holding of noses, the
> classic television way or is there some more civilized way. We all
> learn from one another.

I've been taking it on and off for decades, i.e., there's always a
bottle in the house, but sometimes it isn't opened for weeks. When I
remember, which is probably once or twice a week on average, I take
two dessert spoonfuls. The taste doesn't bother me, possibly because
my Mum made me take it every day as a kid. It's only mildly
distasteful, and in my time I've had to regularly swallow very much
more disgusting medicines.

I think the usual vit A toxicity levels are exaggeratedly low. There
are plenty of arthritic cod liver oil enthusiasts who've been taking
supposedly toxic amounts for years with nothing but benefits to
report. YMMV, of course. My suspicion is that especially sensitive
people have biassed the standard toxic threshold figure.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
: This post not CC'd by email
: On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
: <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

: >Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
: >
: >: Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New Zealand it is
: >: said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is sufficient
: >: to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same exposure in Winter
: >: supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It is especially in
: >: Winter that one must think about getting one's Vit D second hand. In
: >: some countries the deaths from coronary heart attacks goes up by as
: >: much as 50%. Some of this is attributable to lower sunlight and lower
: >: Vit D. Of course there are other factors. As T2 diabetics who wish
: >: to live with a minimum of complications it is natural to aim for
: >: quality of food rather than quantity. In this instance it may well
: >: mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful source of Vit D. So are
: >: canned fish such as sardines.
: >
: >How about that old standby of my youth, hated by most kids (except my best
: >friend, Barbara, cod liver oil? Of course, the cod is not as easy or
: >cheap to come by as it was in teh 1940's. Now tht ws a great source of
: >vitamin D

: G'day G'day Wendy,

: Cod liver oil is a great source of Vit D. For some it is too great
: a source. I believe there is a serious issue for women who might be
: pregnant possibly without realising it. Since I wasn't up with the
: details I avoided the issue. One of the strengths of ASD is that for
: someone it will be a live issue they'll provide the details because
: they are important.

: >How are other fish, eaten fresh, like blue fish, mackeral, salmon, etc,
: >all oily ones?

: Good point Wendy. Oily fish may well make the difference between life
: and the other in Winter time. Mackerel is usually cheap whether
: tinned or fresh. Some people find the taste too strong and that helps
: keep the cost down. That is where clever chefs come into their own.

: >Wendy

: Best wishes,

: --
: Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
: New Zealand, >#,#< [
: / \ /\
: "... and the blind dog was leading."

: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

having mackeral tonight, probably broiled (under the flame in the oven)
with lemon juice, onion and black pepper, accompanied by fauxtatoes,
mashed cauliflower with a little butte rand parmesgian cheese, green salad
and small slice of canteloupe. Looking forward to it.

Wendy

Quentin Grady wrote:

> Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New Zealand it is
> said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is sufficient
> to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same exposure in Winter
> supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It is especially in
> Winter that one must think about getting one's Vit D second hand. In
> some countries the deaths from coronary heart attacks goes up by as
> much as 50%. Some of this is attributable to lower sunlight and lower
> Vit D. Of course there are other factors. As T2 diabetics who wish
> to live with a minimum of complications it is natural to aim for
> quality of food rather than quantity. In this instance it may well
> mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful source of Vit D. So are
> canned fish such as sardines.

Absorption of vitamin D will vary due to different vitamin D receptors
(VDR). There have been studies on VDR in many European countries.

A scholar.google.com search on VDR+vitamin+D+receptors resulted in 7,120
finds - http://tinyurl.com/y36b38. Adding Italy to this search still
resulted in 828 finds, yet Sicily only had 25. Likewise, adding bone to
the search had 4,480 finds. Similarly, adding cancer to the search ended
up with 3,360 finds. African 837 finds. Women 2,150 finds. Men 1,720.
Food 991.

What can we say? Vitamin D has been researched by many different angles.

Frank

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>: This post not CC'd by email
>: On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
>: <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>
>: >Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>: >
>: >: Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New Zealand it is
>: >: said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is sufficient
>: >: to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same exposure in Winter
>: >: supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It is especially in
>: >: Winter that one must think about getting one's Vit D second hand. In
>: >: some countries the deaths from coronary heart attacks goes up by as
>: >: much as 50%. Some of this is attributable to lower sunlight and lower
>: >: Vit D. Of course there are other factors. As T2 diabetics who wish
>: >: to live with a minimum of complications it is natural to aim for
>: >: quality of food rather than quantity. In this instance it may well
>: >: mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful source of Vit D. So are
>: >: canned fish such as sardines.
>: >
>: >How about that old standby of my youth, hated by most kids (except my best
>: >friend, Barbara, cod liver oil? Of course, the cod is not as easy or
>: >cheap to come by as it was in teh 1940's. Now tht ws a great source of
>: >vitamin D
>
>: G'day G'day Wendy,
>
>: Cod liver oil is a great source of Vit D. For some it is too great
>: a source. I believe there is a serious issue for women who might be
>: pregnant possibly without realising it. Since I wasn't up with the
>: details I avoided the issue. One of the strengths of ASD is that for
>: someone it will be a live issue they'll provide the details because
>: they are important.
>
>: >How are other fish, eaten fresh, like blue fish, mackeral, salmon, etc,
>: >all oily ones?
>
>: Good point Wendy. Oily fish may well make the difference between life
>: and the other in Winter time. Mackerel is usually cheap whether
>: tinned or fresh. Some people find the taste too strong and that helps
>: keep the cost down. That is where clever chefs come into their own.
>
>: >Wendy
>
>: Best wishes,
>
>: --
>: Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
>: New Zealand, >#,#< [
>: / \ /\
>: "... and the blind dog was leading."
>
>: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
>
>having mackeral tonight, probably broiled (under the flame in the oven)
>with lemon juice, onion and black pepper, accompanied by fauxtatoes,
>mashed cauliflower with a little butte rand parmesgian cheese, green salad
>and small slice of canteloupe. Looking forward to it.
>
>Wendy
>

Just a side issue. There is mackeral - and mackeral.

From a previous discussion, it became clear that when I was
discussing a mackeral steak the other person from the
northern hemisphere had no idea what I meant.

The steak I eat is a cross-cut from a fish like this
http://tinyurl.com/ybhbyn

I suspect that canned mackeral comes from fish of a similar
size.

And the fish he ate was more like this:
http://tinyurl.com/ycs3c8

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Menton Memories

Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
: On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
: <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

: >Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
: >: This post not CC'd by email
: >: On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
: >: <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
: >
: >: >Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
: >: >
: >: >: Vit D is commonly known as the sunshine vitamin. In New Zealand it is
: >: >: said that three hours of sunlight on face in Summertime is sufficient
: >: >: to supply one's Vit D requirement. The same exposure in Winter
: >: >: supplies only one fifth of the one's requirement. It is especially in
: >: >: Winter that one must think about getting one's Vit D second hand. In
: >: >: some countries the deaths from coronary heart attacks goes up by as
: >: >: much as 50%. Some of this is attributable to lower sunlight and lower
: >: >: Vit D. Of course there are other factors. As T2 diabetics who wish
: >: >: to live with a minimum of complications it is natural to aim for
: >: >: quality of food rather than quantity. In this instance it may well
: >: >: mean free range eggs. Eggs are a useful source of Vit D. So are
: >: >: canned fish such as sardines.
: >: >
: >: >How about that old standby of my youth, hated by most kids (except my best
: >: >friend, Barbara, cod liver oil? Of course, the cod is not as easy or
: >: >cheap to come by as it was in teh 1940's. Now tht ws a great source of
: >: >vitamin D
: >
: >: G'day G'day Wendy,
: >
: >: Cod liver oil is a great source of Vit D. For some it is too great
: >: a source. I believe there is a serious issue for women who might be
: >: pregnant possibly without realising it. Since I wasn't up with the
: >: details I avoided the issue. One of the strengths of ASD is that for
: >: someone it will be a live issue they'll provide the details because
: >: they are important.
: >
: >: >How are other fish, eaten fresh, like blue fish, mackeral, salmon, etc,
: >: >all oily ones?
: >
: >: Good point Wendy. Oily fish may well make the difference between life
: >: and the other in Winter time. Mackerel is usually cheap whether
: >: tinned or fresh. Some people find the taste too strong and that helps
: >: keep the cost down. That is where clever chefs come into their own.
: >
: >: >Wendy
: >
: >: Best wishes,
: >
: >: --
: >: Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
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: >: / \ /\
: >: "... and the blind dog was leading."
: >
: >: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
: >
: >having mackeral tonight, probably broiled (under the flame in the oven)
: >with lemon juice, onion and black pepper, accompanied by fauxtatoes,
: >mashed cauliflower with a little butte rand parmesgian cheese, green salad
: >and small slice of canteloupe. Looking forward to it.
: >
: >Wendy
: >

: Just a side issue. There is mackeral - and mackeral.

: From a previous discussion, it became clear that when I was
: discussing a mackeral steak the other person from the
: northern hemisphere had no idea what I meant.

: The steak I eat is a cross-cut from a fish like this
: http://tinyurl.com/ybhbyn

: I suspect that canned mackeral comes from fish of a similar
: size.

: And the fish he ate was more like this:
: http://tinyurl.com/ycs3c8

: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
: d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
: Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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there are several mackerals sold in my area, but mostly, we get the Boston
Maceral, which is a small fish that yu can eat a whole one of, or a half,
if it is slightly bigger. We also get Spanish mackeral, which is larger,
but fairly slim, and loks like it has no scales(they are very small). I
have not seen any big enough to get the crosscut steaks form around here,
but would not be surprised to know they exist somewhere, The fish is dark
and oily and the skin is gray and black, kind of rippled stripes.

It tasted good tonight:-)

Wendy

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>having mackeral tonight, probably broiled (under the flame in the oven)
>with lemon juice, onion and black pepper, accompanied by fauxtatoes,
>mashed cauliflower with a little butte rand parmesgian cheese, green salad
>and small slice of canteloupe. Looking forward to it.

Got you beat, I had some for breakfast.

A fillet of peppered mackerel, grilled briefly, with watercress,
rocket, toasted sunflower seeds and a couple of oatcakes.

Doesn't always work for breakfast, it can be a bit repetitive, but I
think I got away with it.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:54:15 +1300, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>I'm impressed to see you taking cod liver oil, I really thought it had
>gone out of fashion. I never have taken cod liver oil and wonder how
>one takes it. Is it by the teaspoon with holding of noses, the
>classic television way or is there some more civilized way. We all
>learn from one another.

I'm pretty sure it was handed out free along with orange juice when I
was little, ISTR a teaspoonful at a time and it was nothing like as
nasty as castor oil. But then I always liked fish.