"safe" foods??

I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are BAD for T2
Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods, and
not getting many results; help please?!

Susan

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mousepotato wrote:
> I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are
BAD for T2
> Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad
carbs'
> foods, and not getting many results; help please?!
>
> Susan

Susan, there is no such thing as good carbs/bad carbs which
is why you are having trouble. Foods containing significant
amounts of carb will raise the bg's, those are the foods you
need to experiment with. Typically high carb foods are
starches (breads, cakes, pastries, potatoes, cereals, pasta,
rice), milks, fruits (and juices). The non starchy
vegetables are good choices, foods low on the glycemic index
like berries for example, animal proteins. A diet based
around those foods is a good start. Then you can experiment
with the higher carb foods, test a certain grain bread or
wholemeal pasta for example.

Low carb veggies are rich in vital nutrients and fibre so
don't leave them out of the diet. They are valuable raw also
to replace or reduce the amount of fruit you may not be able
to handle. Testing before a meal gives you a baseline bg to
work with, testing after indicates how the carb part of your
meal affected your bg's, then you can adjust down or upwards
next time. If there is a huge rise between pre meal test and
1 hour post meal test then you know that the car was too
much or the wrong type. For example a 20 gr carb amount from
potato may not spike you but 20 gr carb from rice may.

Try different types of carb, if wholegrain wheat bread
spikes try spelt or a rye bread. If 1 slice spikes try 1/2
slice. I personally wouldn't bother with 1/2 a slice of
bread I would prefer to go without or use low carb grain
breads. Take a look at the post about low carb products in
the thread by "yeah sure". You might get some clues about
brands to look for in breads, wraps etc.

How about giving a typical meal plan for a day for you,
others might be able to see where you can add something,
lower something etc.

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: Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods,
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: Susan
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Welcome to ASD. I'm not surprised you can't find any good info online. I
think the main reason for that is.. there really isn't such a thing as a
"good/bad" list for diabetics. Every diabetic is different. There are no
T2's alike just as there aren't many T1's that are alike. There is even
a difference between Type 1 and Type 2 in our dietary needs. Most Type 2's
are diagnosed because they are overweight and not very active.
There are the few Type 2's that mimic the Type 1 profile.. so it's not just
limited to being overweight and not active.

The key to being a controlled diabetic is composed of 3 things..

1.) learning a new way to eat -- firstly, you need to work closely with your
doctor and get a referal to a nutrional consultant. Granted, there are some
that don't know a hill of beans.. but all options should be explored and
then take what you've learned and learn your own method. Because even what
a consultant might tell you, simply won't apply for you in the end.

What I learned to do is see what foods I could safely eat with my meter and
learning to match my insulin to them. Since you don't take insulin, just
ignore
that part.. <g> I first cut out all foods and went back to very basics, such
as fresh veggies and meats.. then learned to add back in foods slowly as I
learned
to gain control. There are no forbidden foods. There are some better for
you then others.. such as limiting the "white" foods the most.. Such as
breads, pasta
rice, etc.. these are the foods that have the most carbs (high GI) and
impact your glucose the hardest and cause a high longer (ie: complex carbs)
yet, we need
them in our diet. some say we don't.. but I'd rather listen to my doctor and
grandma then someone that doesn't know my dietary needs. Simple carbs, such
as refined sugar, soda, etc.. needs to be limited as well.. they are great
for a quick fix when you're having a hypo. <g>

Once you've learned what certain foods do to YOUR glucose, you can slowly
add back in foods that you enjoy more at moderated amounts and see how you
handle them.. some foods you might not be able to eat more then a tiny bit
of.. others you might find you can eat quite a bit.

As for testing.. you should test in the beginning quite a bit because this
will help you learn various things.. such as how food impacts you, how a
sickness or injury impacts your glucose.. aunt flo's visit, etc.. I'm a T1..
but I test my fasting, before meals and 2hrs after meals and at bedtime. If
it's a higher fat meal, I'll test at 3-4hrs as well.. for me, if it's a high
protein, I'll test again at 5-6hr.

2.) exercise -- this is very important to being able to control your
glucose. I'm the queen of no exericse. <g> yet, I still force myself to
take a 30min walk around my living room or up/down my stairs at least 2x a
day. it's recommended to take at least a 30min walk around 30-60mins after
you've eaten.. this will help reduce your post-prandal values quite a bit.
everyone is different.. but most do see a reduction in their glucose. If
you exercise before eating, you will probably see an increase in your bg's
this is because your liver has kicked in to feed you for fuel for the
exercise.. so try to eat first.

3.) if needed: medication -- there are many oral medications for Type 2
diabetics. Byetta is the latest and apparently the greatest.. there are a
few here that take it and have sworn by it.. helping suppress their appetite
as well as helping them to lose weight. Your doctor can help you further on
this matter.

** Another thing, make sure you get copies of ALL of your test results to
keep. You should make sure your doctor is up on the newest of medications
and diabetic information and exams. You should get a A1C at least every
6mons.., get your feet checked, eyes checked. Other things to be tested are
your Lipids, Thyroid, Kidney and Liver function tests.. etc. If your doctor
isn't willing to do these tests for you, then time to find a new one.

I'm sure you're quite overwhelmed... as most newly diagnosed diabetics are.
Just know this is a disease that is completely controllable and you won't
die overnight if you have a few high glucose readings while you're trying to
get in control. Some are able to get in control quickly, where if you have
other medical issues, it might take longer to get in control.. or you might
have to settle for marginal control because of other health issues. There
is no right or wrong.. when dealing with this disease.. simply, doing the
"best" YOU can do is the right thing.. Don't be afraid to ask questions...
remember, the only dumb question is
the one you didn't ask.

--
Reisa, T1
dx-5/00 asd-7/00
Animas IR1250 pumper
Currently taking a pump vacation
Daily CHO: 100-130gm
TDD: 36-38u
Last A1C: too damn high!

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:52:23 -0500, mousepotato wrote:

> I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are BAD for T2
> Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods, and
> not getting many results; help please?!
>
> Susan

nuts
bacon
eggs
'hard' cheese
celery
meat
fish
poultry

IMHO there are no 'good carbs' - only 'less bad carbs'. Books about
glycemic index will give you the differences.

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 23:52:23 -0500, "mousepotato"
<mousepotatowhiskers@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are BAD for T2
>Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods, and
>not getting many results; help please?!
>
>Susan

Hi, Susan --

I don't know if these have been recommended to you yet or not, but
these books will help you understand what's going on -- and what to do
about it.

"Type 2 Diabetes -- The First Year" by Gretchen Becker
"Atkins Diabetes Revolution"
"Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution" by Richard K. Bernstein

Good luck!
--

BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005

The things that come to those who wait will
be the things left by those who got there first.

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>I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are BAD for T2
>Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods,
>and not getting many results; help please?!
>
> Susan
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Ozgirl, rk, & ray: ya'll are awesome...you've given me some very good
advice, which I will follow-up with my doctor. The support here is great,
better than I've found any where else...I will keep coming back, thank you
SOOO much! ; )
Susan

"mousepotato" <mousepotatowhiskers@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are BAD for T2
>Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods,
>and not getting many results; help please?!

That's because there's no such list. Technically all foods are safe for us
to eat, barring perhaps trans-fats and high fructose corn syrup. I try to
avoid those things. But even that is debatable. Some seem to think they
are okay in limited amounts. I also avoid sugar alcohols for the most part
because they act like a laxative, at least for me.

Some people seem to think the glycemic index helps them. I have found this
not to be the case with me. Potatoes are one food I can eat in limited
amounts without them affecting my BG. Others find they can't eat potatoes
at all.

Alas there is no one diet we all follow. Use your meter and keep a food
diary of what you ate. Then you can compile a list of what foods seem to
work best for you. Every body is different.

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 01:13:06 -0500, "mousepotato"
<mousepotatowhiskers@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>Ozgirl, rk, & ray: ya'll are awesome...you've given me some very good
>advice, which I will follow-up with my doctor. The support here is great,
>better than I've found any where else...I will keep coming back, thank you
>SOOO much! ; )
>Susan

To my way of looking at it, you'll never find a better group of folks
anywhere, and that goes especially for the ones you mentioned!

Will, T2

Hi Susan,

The others have already given great answers to your question, so I won't add
to that. However, has anyone directed you to this site:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm? It provides
specific instructions to help you determine which foods you can tolerate and
in what amounts by using your meter. Your meter is your best tool for
managing diabetes.
--
Michelle, T2
diet & exercise


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>I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are BAD for T2
>Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods,
>and not getting many results; help please?!
>
> Susan
>
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>

ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
: On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:52:23 -0500, mousepotato wrote:

: > I need to know what foods are "safe", and what foods are BAD for T2
: > Diabetics! I've been trying to search for 'good carbs/bad carbs' foods, and
: > not getting many results; help please?!
: >
: > Susan

: nuts
: bacon
: eggs
: 'hard' cheese
: celery
: meat
: fish
: poultry

: IMHO there are no 'good carbs' - only 'less bad carbs'. Books about
: glycemic index will give you the differences.

One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No Orange juice! I
have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing glass of OJ in the mornings.
I still miss it, but I live withut it. Juice just concentrates the fruit
sugars adn removes much of the healthy fiber.

Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato, pasta, rices, etc
(cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely fauxtato imitaion)

These are good starting places.

Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc as you will find
that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep teh blood glucose down. Do
eat lost of salads, leafy green vegetables, cabbage family, string beans,
cukes, green peppers, onions, garlic, etc. If I thik of more, I will send
them along.

Wendy

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
wrote:

>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No Orange juice! I
>have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing glass of OJ in the mornings.
>I still miss it, but I live withut it. Juice just concentrates the fruit
>sugars adn removes much of the healthy fiber.
>
>Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato, pasta, rices, etc
>(cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely fauxtato imitaion)
>
>These are good starting places.
>
>Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc as you will find
>that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep teh blood glucose down. Do
>eat lost of salads, leafy green vegetables, cabbage family, string beans,
>cukes, green peppers, onions, garlic, etc. If I thik of more, I will send
>them along.
>
>Wendy

Good advice, Wendy... We are having a scrumptious salad and steaks
for dinner tonight, with a little Australian Shiraz.

Will, T2

Will, T2 wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No Orange juice! I
>>have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing glass of OJ in the mornings.
>>I still miss it, but I live withut it. Juice just concentrates the fruit
>>sugars adn removes much of the healthy fiber.
>>
>>Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato, pasta, rices, etc
>>(cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely fauxtato imitaion)
>>
>>These are good starting places.
>>
>>Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc as you will find
>>that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep teh blood glucose down. Do
>>eat lost of salads, leafy green vegetables, cabbage family, string beans,
>>cukes, green peppers, onions, garlic, etc. If I thik of more, I will send
>>them along.
>>
>>Wendy
>
>
> Good advice, Wendy... We are having a scrumptious salad and steaks
> for dinner tonight, with a little Australian Shiraz.
>
> Will, T2

And in our household we are having Beef Burgundy, with green beans
almondine, a "few" carrots ( for color); I shall have rice, and Jim will
have spaghetti squash. A salad to top it all off!

later on we have a small bowl of Carb Smart vanilla icecream, with a
sliced strawberry or two on it, and a little of the despised
Coolwhip....the dogs expect their little treat!

Tomorrow, roast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe faux-rice with
cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a salad. I am
planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have some good
meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).

Gillian

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:39:05 GMT, Gill Murray
<gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote:

>
>
>Will, T2 wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No Orange juice! I
>>>have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing glass of OJ in the mornings.
>>>I still miss it, but I live withut it. Juice just concentrates the fruit
>>>sugars adn removes much of the healthy fiber.
>>>
>>>Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato, pasta, rices, etc
>>>(cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely fauxtato imitaion)
>>>
>>>These are good starting places.
>>>
>>>Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc as you will find
>>>that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep teh blood glucose down. Do
>>>eat lost of salads, leafy green vegetables, cabbage family, string beans,
>>>cukes, green peppers, onions, garlic, etc. If I thik of more, I will send
>>>them along.
>>>
>>>Wendy
>>
>>
>> Good advice, Wendy... We are having a scrumptious salad and steaks
>> for dinner tonight, with a little Australian Shiraz.
>>
>> Will, T2
>
>And in our household we are having Beef Burgundy, with green beans
>almondine, a "few" carrots ( for color); I shall have rice, and Jim will
>have spaghetti squash. A salad to top it all off!
>
>later on we have a small bowl of Carb Smart vanilla icecream, with a
>sliced strawberry or two on it, and a little of the despised
>Coolwhip....the dogs expect their little treat!
>
>Tomorrow, roast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe faux-rice with
>cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a salad. I am
>planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have some good
>meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).
>
>Gillian

Sounds delightful, Gillian...

What part of Maryland? I get up that way often in my work.

Will, T2

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:33:00 -0500, "Will, T2"
<wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
>wrote:
>
>>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No Orange juice! I
>>have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing glass of OJ in the mornings.
>>I still miss it, but I live withut it. Juice just concentrates the fruit
>>sugars adn removes much of the healthy fiber.
>>
>>Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato, pasta, rices, etc
>>(cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely fauxtato imitaion)
>>
>>These are good starting places.
>>
>>Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc as you will find
>>that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep teh blood glucose down. Do
>>eat lost of salads, leafy green vegetables, cabbage family, string beans,
>>cukes, green peppers, onions, garlic, etc. If I thik of more, I will send
>>them along.
>>
>>Wendy
>
>Good advice, Wendy... We are having a scrumptious salad and steaks
>for dinner tonight, with a little Australian Shiraz.
>
>Will, T2

I'll think of you as I sip my cleanskin 2001 Barossa Valley
Shiraz tonight:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:39:05 GMT, Gill Murray
<gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote:

>
>
>Will, T2 wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No Orange juice! I
>>>have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing glass of OJ in the mornings.
>>>I still miss it, but I live withut it. Juice just concentrates the fruit
>>>sugars adn removes much of the healthy fiber.
>>>
>>>Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato, pasta, rices, etc
>>>(cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely fauxtato imitaion)
>>>
>>>These are good starting places.
>>>
>>>Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc as you will find
>>>that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep teh blood glucose down. Do
>>>eat lost of salads, leafy green vegetables, cabbage family, string beans,
>>>cukes, green peppers, onions, garlic, etc. If I thik of more, I will send
>>>them along.
>>>
>>>Wendy
>>
>>
>> Good advice, Wendy... We are having a scrumptious salad and steaks
>> for dinner tonight, with a little Australian Shiraz.
>>
>> Will, T2
>
>And in our household we are having Beef Burgundy,

What's your recipe?
This is mine:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...-burgundy.html

>with green beans
>almondine, a "few" carrots ( for color); I shall have rice, and Jim will
>have spaghetti squash. A salad to top it all off!
>
>later on we have a small bowl of Carb Smart vanilla icecream, with a
>sliced strawberry or two on it, and a little of the despised
>Coolwhip....the dogs expect their little treat!
>
>Tomorrow, roast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe faux-rice with
>cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a salad. I am
>planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have some good
>meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).
>
Serve an extra setting. Now, how do I find your place?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:09:57 GMT, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'll think of you as I sip my cleanskin 2001 Barossa Valley
>Shiraz tonight:-)

Well, Alan, I am having some Wyndham Estate Bin 555, Shiraz... Maybe
not the priciest, but all in all, a decent wine... :-)

Salut, et bon appetit!

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:16:23 -0500, "Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:09:57 GMT, Alan S
><loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'll think of you as I sip my cleanskin 2001 Barossa Valley
>>Shiraz tonight:-)
>
>Well, Alan, I am having some Wyndham Estate Bin 555, Shiraz... Maybe
>not the priciest, but all in all, a decent wine... :-)
>
>Salut, et bon appetit!
>
>

oops, I forgot to say what year... 2003.

Will, T2

Will, T2 wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:39:05 GMT, Gill Murray
> <gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
oast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe faux-rice with
>>cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a salad. I am
>>planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have some good
>>meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).
>>
>>Gillian
>
>
> Sounds delightful, Gillian...
>
> What part of Maryland? I get up that way often in my work.
>
> Will, T2

I shall be in Mt Airy; my daughter works as a consultant with a small
company that works with alphabet agencies! Jim and I met when we lived
in Southern Maryland, St Mary's county, and later moved to Columbia. On
early retirement in 1993 (the Cold War ended), we started traveling!

If you are in that area, when I am, please let me know. I can give you
my cell number and we can meet.

Gillian

For Alan

Gill Murray wrote:
>
>
> Will, T2 wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:39:05 GMT, Gill Murray
>> <gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
> oast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe faux-rice with
>
>>> cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a salad. I am
>>> planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have some good
>>> meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).
>>>
>>> Gillian
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds delightful, Gillian...
>> What part of Maryland? I get up that way often in my work.
>>
>> Will, T2
>
>
> I shall be in Mt Airy; my daughter works as a consultant with a small
> company that works with alphabet agencies! Jim and I met when we lived
> in Southern Maryland, St Mary's county, and later moved to Columbia. On
> early retirement in 1993 (the Cold War ended), we started traveling!
>
> If you are in that area, when I am, please let me know. I can give you
> my cell number and we can meet.
>
> Gillian

You wouldn't like my lazy version. I had a brother-in-law from Illinois
who called it "Gill's drunk meat"! I really need to use the correct
recipe again, it is so good.

I use 1.5 lbs (700 gms?) chuck steak, inexpensive, but enough fat to
make it tender.This time I tossed the cut up meat in a generous
tablespoon of Carb-quick, just to see if it would work. I also added
garlic, because I wanted it!
I also cheat and use a can(tin) of Beef Gravy. I use onions, garlic,
assorted herbs, depending on mood, usually the Provence type of mix. Any
red wine, that is cheap. The good stuff, I drink. The lot cooks around 2
hrs, but half way through I add a bunch of quartered mushrooms.

You must realise this is a family everyday type of meal, not the correct
version.

Gillian

Gill Murray wrote:
> Will, T2 wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
>> <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No
Orange
>>>juice! I have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing
glass of OJ in
>>>the mornings. I still miss it, but I live withut it.
Juice just
>>>concentrates the fruit sugars adn removes much of the
healthy fiber.
>>>
>>>Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato,
pasta, rices,
>>>etc (cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely
fauxtato
>>>imitaion)
>>>
>>>These are good starting places.
>>>
>>>Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc
as you
>>>will find that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep
teh blood
>>>glucose down. Do eat lost of salads, leafy green
vegetables,
>>>cabbage family, string beans, cukes, green peppers,
onions, garlic,
>>>etc. If I thik of more, I will send them along.
>>>
>>>Wendy
>>
>>
>> Good advice, Wendy... We are having a scrumptious salad
and steaks
>> for dinner tonight, with a little Australian Shiraz.
>>
>> Will, T2
>
> And in our household we are having Beef Burgundy, with
green beans
> almondine, a "few" carrots ( for color); I shall have
rice, and Jim
> will have spaghetti squash. A salad to top it all off!
>
> later on we have a small bowl of Carb Smart vanilla
icecream, with a
> sliced strawberry or two on it, and a little of the
despised
> Coolwhip....the dogs expect their little treat!
>
> Tomorrow, roast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe
faux-rice
> with cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a
salad. I am
> planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have
some good
> meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).
>
> Gillian

I am having chicken and vegetable soup with barley tonight.
Slow cooked. Chicken added in last hour because I use
skinless chicken breasts and they tend to dry out. The soup
has some added chicken stock from a carton. It's liquid, 99%
fat free, low in sodium and delicious flavour. Lots of
veggies and the barley is not only low GI but is packed with
nutrients - from memory there are more nutrients in barley
than any other wholegrain and a lot more fibre than wheat. I
don't hear a lot about barley being used in this group,
considering it has such a low GI. Supermarket barley is
usually pearled barley, I get mine from a health food store,
hulled barley. Pearled barley has a lot less nutrition than
hulled barley. If I am doing pea and ham soup I use lentils.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:25:29 +1100, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>I am having chicken and vegetable soup with barley tonight.
>Slow cooked. Chicken added in last hour because I use
>skinless chicken breasts and they tend to dry out. The soup
>has some added chicken stock from a carton. It's liquid, 99%
>fat free, low in sodium and delicious flavour. Lots of
>veggies and the barley is not only low GI but is packed with
>nutrients - from memory there are more nutrients in barley
>than any other wholegrain and a lot more fibre than wheat. I
>don't hear a lot about barley being used in this group,
>considering it has such a low GI. Supermarket barley is
>usually pearled barley, I get mine from a health food store,
>hulled barley. Pearled barley has a lot less nutrition than
>hulled barley. If I am doing pea and ham soup I use lentils.


Sounds absolutely marvelous!

How does one get an invitation? ;-)

Will, T2

I have found Crystal Light Sunrise to be a very acceptable sub for OJ
though.

Cheri


W. Baker wrote in message ...

>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No Orange juice!
I
>have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing glass of OJ in the
mornings.
>I still miss it, but I live withut it. Juice just concentrates the
fruit
>sugars adn removes much of the healthy fiber.

Will, T2 wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:25:29 +1100, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>>I am having chicken and vegetable soup with barley
tonight.
>>Slow cooked. Chicken added in last hour because I use
>>skinless chicken breasts and they tend to dry out. The
soup
>>has some added chicken stock from a carton. It's liquid,
99%
>>fat free, low in sodium and delicious flavour. Lots of
>>veggies and the barley is not only low GI but is packed
with
>>nutrients - from memory there are more nutrients in barley
>>than any other wholegrain and a lot more fibre than wheat.
I
>>don't hear a lot about barley being used in this group,
>>considering it has such a low GI. Supermarket barley is
>>usually pearled barley, I get mine from a health food
store,
>>hulled barley. Pearled barley has a lot less nutrition
than
>>hulled barley. If I am doing pea and ham soup I use
lentils.
>
>
> Sounds absolutely marvelous!
>
> How does one get an invitation? ;-)

It's but a quick plane ride Will When I move up north
later in the year you can come visit. It's a lovely where I
live now but rather boring, after 7 pm it's dead around
here.

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:27:01 -0500, "Will, T2"
<wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:16:23 -0500, "Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:09:57 GMT, Alan S
>><loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'll think of you as I sip my cleanskin 2001 Barossa Valley
>>>Shiraz tonight:-)
>>
>>Well, Alan, I am having some Wyndham Estate Bin 555, Shiraz... Maybe
>>not the priciest, but all in all, a decent wine... :-)
>>
>>Salut, et bon appetit!
>>
>>
>
>oops, I forgot to say what year... 2003.
>
>Will, T2

I haven't tried the 555 shiraz recently - the 444
Cabernet-Sauvignon is a nice drop too.
http://www.pernod-ricard-nz.com/Page...cabs_2003.html

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:49:50 GMT, Gill Murray
<gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote:

>For Alan
>
>Gill Murray wrote:
>>
>>
>> Will, T2 wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:39:05 GMT, Gill Murray
>>> <gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>> oast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe faux-rice with
>>
>>>> cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a salad. I am
>>>> planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have some good
>>>> meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).
>>>>
>>>> Gillian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds delightful, Gillian...
>>> What part of Maryland? I get up that way often in my work.
>>>
>>> Will, T2
>>
>>
>> I shall be in Mt Airy; my daughter works as a consultant with a small
>> company that works with alphabet agencies! Jim and I met when we lived
>> in Southern Maryland, St Mary's county, and later moved to Columbia. On
>> early retirement in 1993 (the Cold War ended), we started traveling!
>>
>> If you are in that area, when I am, please let me know. I can give you
>> my cell number and we can meet.
>>
>> Gillian
>
>You wouldn't like my lazy version. I had a brother-in-law from Illinois
>who called it "Gill's drunk meat"! I really need to use the correct
>recipe again, it is so good.
>
>I use 1.5 lbs (700 gms?) chuck steak, inexpensive, but enough fat to
>make it tender.This time I tossed the cut up meat in a generous
>tablespoon of Carb-quick, just to see if it would work. I also added
>garlic, because I wanted it!

So do I - add garlic, that is. Love the stuff and eat it
daily in one form or another. What the heck is "carb-quick?"

> I also cheat and use a can(tin) of Beef Gravy.

I've no idea of it's contents - but be careful of carb
proportions in commercial gravies. I just use a little flour
to form the roux; if it needs more thickening towards the
finish I add some guar gum (very carefully).

>I use onions, garlic,
>assorted herbs, depending on mood, usually the Provence type of mix. Any
>red wine, that is cheap.

I agree. Those "purists" on TV who claim you should use top
drinking wine for cooking are a pack of twits in my opinion.
As long as it hasn't descended to a vinegar stage - almost
any old red will do for me (I usually use "Vin Plastique"
from the Aussie wine cask:-)

> The good stuff, I drink.

Very sensible.

> The lot cooks around 2
>hrs, but half way through I add a bunch of quartered mushrooms.
>

Me too - but I have to add them later, because SWMBO doesn't
eat them. So I often saute some just before serving and add
them to my serve. Real mushrooms - not tiny champignons.

>You must realise this is a family everyday type of meal, not the correct
>version.
>
Correct? The correct version is the one that you and your
family like most. On my "correct" version - see if you can
add any ideas to your own. I'd suggest, for a start,
trimming the beef well and adding the bacon for the fat and
flavour. But it's really up to you and your taste buds
what's "correct".

>Gillian

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:07:47 +1100, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>Will, T2 wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:25:29 +1100, "Ozgirl"
>> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I am having chicken and vegetable soup with barley
>tonight.
>>>Slow cooked. Chicken added in last hour because I use
>>>skinless chicken breasts and they tend to dry out. The
>soup
>>>has some added chicken stock from a carton. It's liquid,
>99%
>>>fat free, low in sodium and delicious flavour. Lots of
>>>veggies and the barley is not only low GI but is packed
>with
>>>nutrients - from memory there are more nutrients in barley
>>>than any other wholegrain and a lot more fibre than wheat.
>I
>>>don't hear a lot about barley being used in this group,
>>>considering it has such a low GI. Supermarket barley is
>>>usually pearled barley, I get mine from a health food
>store,
>>>hulled barley. Pearled barley has a lot less nutrition
>than
>>>hulled barley. If I am doing pea and ham soup I use
>lentils.
>>
>>
>> Sounds absolutely marvelous!
>>
>> How does one get an invitation? ;-)
>
>It's but a quick plane ride Will When I move up north
>later in the year you can come visit. It's a lovely where I
>live now but rather boring, after 7 pm it's dead around
>here.

I'm going to be inundated with females. First I learn that
Mum's moving in next door - now you're going to be checking
on me!

When is it happening?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:39:54 GMT, Gill Murray
<gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote:

>I shall be in Mt Airy; my daughter works as a consultant with a small
>company that works with alphabet agencies! Jim and I met when we lived
>in Southern Maryland, St Mary's county, and later moved to Columbia. On
>early retirement in 1993 (the Cold War ended), we started traveling!
>
>If you are in that area, when I am, please let me know. I can give you
>my cell number and we can meet.

Hi Gillian,

I do have an office in Accomac, just 18 miles south of the Maryland
border, not too far from Salisbury.

Let me check my calendar, and perhaps we can meet up for lunch, or
something... If it works out, I very much look forward to meeting you!

You can always get through to me at wmmckee@cox.net

As many will attest, I am always 100% up front about everything I do
on asd.

Will, T2

Alan S wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:07:47 +1100, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>>Will, T2 wrote:
>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:25:29 +1100, "Ozgirl"
>>> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am having chicken and vegetable soup with barley
tonight.
>>>>Slow cooked. Chicken added in last hour because I use
>>>>skinless chicken breasts and they tend to dry out. The
soup
>>>>has some added chicken stock from a carton. It's liquid,
99%
>>>>fat free, low in sodium and delicious flavour. Lots of
>>>>veggies and the barley is not only low GI but is packed
with
>>>>nutrients - from memory there are more nutrients in
barley
>>>>than any other wholegrain and a lot more fibre than
wheat. I
>>>>don't hear a lot about barley being used in this group,
>>>>considering it has such a low GI. Supermarket barley is
>>>>usually pearled barley, I get mine from a health food
store,
>>>>hulled barley. Pearled barley has a lot less nutrition
than
>>>>hulled barley. If I am doing pea and ham soup I use
lentils.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds absolutely marvelous!
>>>
>>> How does one get an invitation? ;-)
>>
>>It's but a quick plane ride Will When I move up north
>>later in the year you can come visit. It's a lovely where
I
>>live now but rather boring, after 7 pm it's dead around
>>here.
>
> I'm going to be inundated with females. First I learn that
> Mum's moving in next door - now you're going to be
checking
> on me!
>
> When is it happening?

Then that's two people you don't have to see on your
journeys south, lol. When? After the NSW HSC, my son then
has a ball on November 22 and I want to be moved and settled
by Xmas. I need to get some maps, its so hard trying to
figure out where individual suburbs are in relation to
certain places. I have to contact special schools to see
what the criteria is for enrolment. In NSW it is all done
through NSW govt special education unit. Lots of fiddly
things.

Ozgirl <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
: Gill Murray wrote:
: > Will, T2 wrote:
: >> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:32:18 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
: >> <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
: >>
: >>
: >>>One "quick and dirty" rule, Don't drink juice AT ALL. No
: Orange
: >>>juice! I have gone 20 yers ow without tht refreshing
: glass of OJ in
: >>>the mornings. I still miss it, but I live withut it.
: Juice just
: >>>concentrates the fruit sugars adn removes much of the
: healthy fiber.
: >>>
: >>>Another rule,- avoid white foods-white bread, potato,
: pasta, rices,
: >>>etc (cauliflower is OK and can be mashed to make a lovely
: fauxtato
: >>>imitaion)
: >>>
: >>>These are good starting places.
: >>>
: >>>Avoid starchy vegetabls like pease, corn, lima beans, etc
: as you
: >>>will find that you have to eat only tiny portins to keep
: teh blood
: >>>glucose down. Do eat lost of salads, leafy green
: vegetables,
: >>>cabbage family, string beans, cukes, green peppers,
: onions, garlic,
: >>>etc. If I thik of more, I will send them along.
: >>>
: >>>Wendy
: >>
: >>
: >> Good advice, Wendy... We are having a scrumptious salad
: and steaks
: >> for dinner tonight, with a little Australian Shiraz.
: >>
: >> Will, T2
: >
: > And in our household we are having Beef Burgundy, with
: green beans
: > almondine, a "few" carrots ( for color); I shall have
: rice, and Jim
: > will have spaghetti squash. A salad to top it all off!
: >
: > later on we have a small bowl of Carb Smart vanilla
: icecream, with a
: > sliced strawberry or two on it, and a little of the
: despised
: > Coolwhip....the dogs expect their little treat!
: >
: > Tomorrow, roast chicken, cabbage, squash casserole, maybe
: faux-rice
: > with cauliflower, mushrooms and wild rice, served with a
: salad. I am
: > planning meals with an extra serving so that Jim can have
: some good
: > meals for the week I am in Maryland (March 7-14).
: >
: > Gillian

: I am having chicken and vegetable soup with barley tonight.
: Slow cooked. Chicken added in last hour because I use
: skinless chicken breasts and they tend to dry out. The soup
: has some added chicken stock from a carton. It's liquid, 99%
: fat free, low in sodium and delicious flavour. Lots of
: veggies and the barley is not only low GI but is packed with
: nutrients - from memory there are more nutrients in barley
: than any other wholegrain and a lot more fibre than wheat. I
: don't hear a lot about barley being used in this group,
: considering it has such a low GI. Supermarket barley is
: usually pearled barley, I get mine from a health food store,
: hulled barley. Pearled barley has a lot less nutrition than
: hulled barley. If I am doing pea and ham soup I use lentils.

Yum.

Tomorrow I wil be making a black bean soup as I found a package of dried
black soybeans. I can't believe the numbers-14 grs carb of which 10 are
fiber!!! I will be using lots of chicken backs in teh cooking water, kind
of making the stock while cooking the beans:-) then, when they are soft
will add lots of sauteed vegetables including some hotish peppers. One
recipe suggests adding a Tbs of vinegar right at the end of cooking.
Shoul dmake it interesting. another says use cumin, also sound
interesting. I think this will end up being an interesting soup. I jus
thope, not too interesting:-)

Once this is made (with no added salt for Syd's new diet requirements) We
will be eating this for a week or so! Like the old Horn and Hardart
advertisement used to say,"Les work for Mother, jut lent her a hand." You
have to be quite old and a New Yorker to remember that one. It was for
the H&H retail shops that sold prepared foods like pot pies, etc fo rhome
heating and eating in teh days before freezers when there ws not much
available that ws quick and easy. It was the same cmpany that ran the
Automats, which we, as kids adored. for 5 nickels yu could get a
sandwich, a glass of milk and a dessert of pie or glace cakes (2 for a
nickel).

havn't thought of them for quite a while.
Old New Yorkers may get a bang out of the memory.

Wendy

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:36:07 +1100, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:07:47 +1100, "Ozgirl"
>> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Will, T2 wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:25:29 +1100, "Ozgirl"
>>>> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I am having chicken and vegetable soup with barley
>tonight.
>>>>>Slow cooked. Chicken added in last hour because I use
>>>>>skinless chicken breasts and they tend to dry out. The
>soup
>>