Scary Stuff For The Eye Police

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6081480.stm

What a wonderful idea, waiting until the patient has lost the sight in
one eye before treating the other.

And then only if you're lucky in where you live.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:45:31 -0500, Trinkwasser wrote
(in message
<njm9k2lskjrgdila530n2fi8jabbiupng7@4ax.com>):

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6081480.stm

That's scary stuff, Trink.
WAINS

TaniO

Trinkwasser wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6081480.stm
>
> What a wonderful idea, waiting until the patient has lost the sight in
> one eye before treating the other.

My favorite laser lab safety warning:

DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO LASER WITH REMAINING GOOD EYE

Tim.

Trinkwasser wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6081480.stm
>
> What a wonderful idea, waiting until the patient has lost the sight in
> one eye before treating the other.
>
> And then only if you're lucky in where you live.

More seriously than my last reply, what they're talking about is
blindness from "old age". While not everybody's getting the pill
they're talking about, it's basically a pill to prevent a common side
effect of not dying young.

Now, lots more people live to old age than 50 or 100 years before, so I
shouldn't make fun of it, but I will count myself very lucky if I live
to be 80 and begin to lose my vision to AMD, after what will be (at
that point) 66 years with Type 1.

Tim.

TaniO wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:45:31 -0500, Trinkwasser wrote
> (in message
> <njm9k2lskjrgdila530n2fi8jabbiupng7@4ax.com>):
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6081480.stm
>
> That's scary stuff, Trink.

Scary that there's now basically medicines to prevent the bad effects
of old age?

Or scary in a "Hope I die before I get old" way?

Speaking of which, Pete Townsend is now in his 60's, along with the
rest of The Who and the whole bunch of other rockers (some now 70) who
were speaking out against the establishment in the 1960's :-). They're
going to be among the first to get these miracle AMD etc. drugs!

Tim.

<shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message
news:1162156356.791574.131650@e64g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> More seriously than my last reply, what they're talking about is
> blindness from "old age". While not everybody's getting the pill
> they're talking about, it's basically a pill to prevent a common side
> effect of not dying young.
>
> Now, lots more people live to old age than 50 or 100 years before, so I
> shouldn't make fun of it, but I will count myself very lucky if I live
> to be 80 and begin to lose my vision to AMD, after what will be (at
> that point) 66 years with Type 1.
>
> Tim.
>

Tim, eight years ago I was only 44 when I was diagnosed with AMD (the dry
kind). So AMD is not limited to the elderly; there are lots of us
"youngsters" who are going to go blind long before we hit old age. Sight is
such a precious sense, and I don't think age should have anything to do with
who gets a pill or not.

Something to think about: There's also some degree of social isolation
among the elderly who have lost a lot of their hearing; if their sight goes,
what's left? I say preserve eyesight at any cost, at any age. By the way,
I've been hearing-impaired since childhood, and the thought of going into my
"golden years" deaf *and* blind is absolutely terrifying.

Karen
Type 2

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:40:53 -0500,
shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote
(in message
<1162158053.037048.66380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>
):

> TaniO wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:45:31 -0500, Trinkwasser wrote
>> (in message
>> <njm9k2lskjrgdila530n2fi8jabbiupng7@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6081480.stm
>>
>> That's scary stuff, Trink.
>
> Scary that there's now basically medicines to prevent the bad effects
> of old age?
>
> Or scary in a "Hope I die before I get old" way?

Well, since I'm over 71, it's too late for me to die
before I get old. As someone with a visual problem
in one eye that was caused, they say, by old age, I
am just distressed that age should be related to
availablity of treatment.

> Speaking of which, Pete Townsend is now in his 60's, along with the
> rest of The Who and the whole bunch of other rockers (some now 70) who
> were speaking out against the establishment in the 1960's :-). They're
> going to be among the first to get these miracle AMD etc. drugs!

I liked Pete before he and I got old, so I begrudge
him nothing. He was, however, younger than my
generation.

TaniO

> Tim.
>

Karen in NC wrote:
> Tim, eight years ago I was only 44 when I was diagnosed with AMD (the dry
> kind).

Related to diabetes maybe? (I honestly don't know much about anything
except retinopathy and even there I know very little.) Both kinds of
AMD seem to have something to do with tiny blood vessels in the eye so
maybe there is a relationship. A quick look in the encyclopedia shows
dry AMD to have some similar outward symptoms as some retinopathy.

Any treatment/medicines at present or on the horizon for your
particular kind?

Tim.

<shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message > Related to diabetes maybe? (I
honestly don't know much about anything
> except retinopathy and even there I know very little.) Both kinds of
> AMD seem to have something to do with tiny blood vessels in the eye so
> maybe there is a relationship. A quick look in the encyclopedia shows
> dry AMD to have some similar outward symptoms as some retinopathy.
>
> Any treatment/medicines at present or on the horizon for your
> particular kind?
>
> Tim.
>

No, my AMD isn't related to my diabetes; it seems to be a genetic thing in
my family. My mother and father both have dry AMD, although they were
diagnosed at a much older age than I was. I learned about my AMD in 1998,
four years before my diabetes diagnosis. My diabetes had a very rapid,
sudden onset which I believe was related to prescription medication I was
taking at the time, so it's not like it was doing damage for years before it
was discovered.

Right now there is no treatment or medication for dry AMD. My eye docs have
all advised me to take vitamins and antioxidants, and eats lots of leafy
green vegetables. I'm so thrilled that there's treatment for wet AMD and
pray that treatment for dry AMD will be available in the very near future.
If not, there are various visual aids that can help (to a limited extent)
someone who's lost their central vision.

If anyone needs more information on AMD, here's a good site:
http://www.amd.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage

Karen

Karen, loss of sight and hearing is indeed scary. My father is 91;
he's got substantial hearing loss, and has begun to lose most of his
central vision to dry AMD. He's being very brave, but reading and
cooking are his major pleasures, and those are getting more and more
difficult. I'm trying to get him to a low vision clinic to see if they
know of any better reading aids for him than the magnifiers he's found.

I'm eating the leafy greens, wearing sunglasses, and taking
antioxidents - Ocuvite in my case, and nagging my siblings to do the
same. My mother had a major wet event in one eye about 20 years ago.
Now that might have be possible to prevent; she sees her opthamologist
twice a year and checks the Amsler grid often. Keeping threats to
sight in mind are my major motivators for staying on the healthly
eating track.

Susan Adair
T2 April 2005
diet and exercise
Karen in NC wrote:

> No, my AMD isn't related to my diabetes; it seems to be a genetic thing in
> my family. My mother and father both have dry AMD, although they were
> diagnosed at a much older age than I was. I learned about my AMD in 1998,
> four years before my diabetes diagnosis. My diabetes had a very rapid,
> sudden onset which I believe was related to prescription medication I was
> taking at the time, so it's not like it was doing damage for years before it
> was discovered.
>
> Right now there is no treatment or medication for dry AMD. My eye docs have
> all advised me to take vitamins and antioxidants, and eats lots of leafy
> green vegetables. I'm so thrilled that there's treatment for wet AMD and
> pray that treatment for dry AMD will be available in the very near future.
> If not, there are various visual aids that can help (to a limited extent)
> someone who's lost their central vision.
>
> If anyone needs more information on AMD, here's a good site:
> http://www.amd.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage
>
> Karen

Susan Adair <arethusarose@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Karen, loss of sight and hearing is indeed scary. My father is 91;
> he's got substantial hearing loss, and has begun to lose most of his
> central vision to dry AMD. He's being very brave, but reading and
> cooking are his major pleasures, and those are getting more and more
> difficult. I'm trying to get him to a low vision clinic to see if they
> know of any better reading aids for him than the magnifiers he's found.

A nearly blind friend of mine uses a computer program and a
scanner. He can get a page hugely blown up on his screen and scroll
round on it. He can get much bigger and clearer magnification that way
than using magnifying glasses. The software also does the same to web
pages, email, any screen content at all. He got the software from a
national blind association.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Susan Adair" <arethusarose@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1162223415.237697.321660@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Karen, loss of sight and hearing is indeed scary. My father is 91;
> he's got substantial hearing loss, and has begun to lose most of his
> central vision to dry AMD. He's being very brave, but reading and
> cooking are his major pleasures, and those are getting more and more
> difficult. I'm trying to get him to a low vision clinic to see if they
> know of any better reading aids for him than the magnifiers he's found.
>
> I'm eating the leafy greens, wearing sunglasses, and taking
> antioxidents - Ocuvite in my case, and nagging my siblings to do the
> same. My mother had a major wet event in one eye about 20 years ago.
> Now that might have be possible to prevent; she sees her opthamologist
> twice a year and checks the Amsler grid often. Keeping threats to
> sight in mind are my major motivators for staying on the healthly
> eating track.
>
> Susan Adair
> T2 April 2005
> diet and exercise

God bless your father - he sounds like a very special man. It's so hard to
watch our parents not be able to enjoy activities that they once loved. My
dad is at that point. He's only 77, but many serious health problems have
pretty much sidelined him. His eyesight has gotten so bad from the AMD that
he can no longer drive. Mom is hanging in there like a trouper, driving him
to his many doctor visits, but she's got her own set of serious health
problems. I'm 750 miles away from them, which makes it really hard. I'd
love it if they'd move down here so I could take care of them.

You're doing the right things to stave off AMD - keep up the good work! Do
you have an Amsler grid too? It might be a good idea to check one
occasionally to stay on top of things. I should really get into the
sunglasses habit, as my eye doc told me several months I have the start of
cataracts. She assured me I'm years away from surgery; I hope she's right!

I hope your father can benefit from the low-vision clinic. They can do so
many amazing things these days!

Karen

On 29 Oct 2006 13:40:53 -0800, shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:

>TaniO wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:45:31 -0500, Trinkwasser wrote
>> (in message
>> <njm9k2lskjrgdila530n2fi8jabbiupng7@4ax.com>):
>>
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6081480.stm
>>
>> That's scary stuff, Trink.
>
>Scary that there's now basically medicines to prevent the bad effects
>of old age?
>
>Or scary in a "Hope I die before I get old" way?
>
>Speaking of which, Pete Townsend is now in his 60's, along with the
>rest of The Who and the whole bunch of other rockers (some now 70) who
>were speaking out against the establishment in the 1960's :-). They're
>going to be among the first to get these miracle AMD etc. drugs!

<grins>

You obviously missed out on the local adverts where Roger "Here come
the new boss same as the old boss" Daltrey stood in his own exclusive
trout stream extolling the virtues of American Express

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:59:43 GMT, "Karen in NC"
<sickofspam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
><shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message
>news:1162156356.791574.131650@e64g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>> More seriously than my last reply, what they're talking about is
>> blindness from "old age". While not everybody's getting the pill
>> they're talking about, it's basically a pill to prevent a common side
>> effect of not dying young.
>>
>> Now, lots more people live to old age than 50 or 100 years before, so I
>> shouldn't make fun of it, but I will count myself very lucky if I live
>> to be 80 and begin to lose my vision to AMD, after what will be (at
>> that point) 66 years with Type 1.
>>
>> Tim.
>>
>
>Tim, eight years ago I was only 44 when I was diagnosed with AMD (the dry
>kind). So AMD is not limited to the elderly; there are lots of us
>"youngsters" who are going to go blind long before we hit old age. Sight is
>such a precious sense, and I don't think age should have anything to do with
>who gets a pill or not.
>
>Something to think about: There's also some degree of social isolation
>among the elderly who have lost a lot of their hearing; if their sight goes,
>what's left? I say preserve eyesight at any cost, at any age. By the way,
>I've been hearing-impaired since childhood, and the thought of going into my
>"golden years" deaf *and* blind is absolutely terrifying.

Yes that's exactly what happened to one of my mother's oldest friends,
she was one of those ultra-active involved in everything types (even
to the point of becoming embarrasing, mother once asked me to drop
something to her as I was passing, my task was to collect a friend's
father and take him and myself to visit the friend, but the dear old
soul had decided since I was visiting she would put on a tea party and
invite all the neighbours, it was quite embarrasing having to drag
myself away . . .)

By the end she'd lost her sight and her hearing totally and could
scarcely move. They seem able to keep people alive in that state for
years without difficulty.

Susan Adair <arethusarose@earthlink.net> wrote:
: Karen, loss of sight and hearing is indeed scary. My father is 91;
: he's got substantial hearing loss, and has begun to lose most of his
: central vision to dry AMD. He's being very brave, but reading and
: cooking are his major pleasures, and those are getting more and more
: difficult. I'm trying to get him to a low vision clinic to see if they
: know of any better reading aids for him than the magnifiers he's found.

: I'm eating the leafy greens, wearing sunglasses, and taking
: antioxidents - Ocuvite in my case, and nagging my siblings to do the
: same. My mother had a major wet event in one eye about 20 years ago.
: Now that might have be possible to prevent; she sees her opthamologist
: twice a year and checks the Amsler grid often. Keeping threats to
: sight in mind are my major motivators for staying on the healthly
: eating track.

: Susan Adair
: T2 April 2005
: diet and exercise
: Karen in NC wrote:

Jusst a quick point. If you don' have an amster grid, but yu do have
venitian blinds, check your vision by looking at teh blinds. If you see
any wiggles in the straight blinds, run, do not walk to the retina doctor.
i check my vision at least once a day adn if I were to notice any change
in my usual right side single wiggle,that clims the blind, I ma tocall for
an immediate appointment.

Sinc emy treatment for WMD I don't see the crazy wiggling, angled world
everywhere, like on my computer, although leteers and numbers can sstill
blink on and off or jump up and down lines. Weird!

Wendy-reading with a 2x magnifier lately, still hoing for more
improvement. last Avastin shot jan 3, 2006!

On 30 Oct 2006 16:13:53 GMT, Chris Malcolm
<cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>Susan Adair <arethusarose@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Karen, loss of sight and hearing is indeed scary. My father is 91;
>> he's got substantial hearing loss, and has begun to lose most of his
>> central vision to dry AMD. He's being very brave, but reading and
>> cooking are his major pleasures, and those are getting more and more
>> difficult. I'm trying to get him to a low vision clinic to see if they
>> know of any better reading aids for him than the magnifiers he's found.
>
>A nearly blind friend of mine uses a computer program and a
>scanner. He can get a page hugely blown up on his screen and scroll
>round on it. He can get much bigger and clearer magnification that way
>than using magnifying glasses. The software also does the same to web
>pages, email, any screen content at all. He got the software from a
>national blind association.

One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
way to zoom pages with ctrl++

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
> way to zoom pages with ctrl++
>

IE 7 does that too.
bj

"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:4r5dk29rdmqia3e30mb9l8lrh37grbg7v5@4ax.com...
> >
> > One of the really good things about Firefox is the
simple
> > way to zoom pages with ctrl++
> >
>
> IE 7 does that too.

I thought you had to go thru menus to do that in IE? Oh
wait, IE 7.0. I never used that. You need XP for 7.0, no?

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:10:32 GMT, "Karen in NC"
<sickofspam@nospam.com> wrote:

>You're doing the right things to stave off AMD - keep up the good work! Do
>you have an Amsler grid too? It might be a good idea to check one
>occasionally to stay on top of things. I should really get into the
>sunglasses habit, as my eye doc told me several months I have the start of
>cataracts. She assured me I'm years away from surgery; I hope she's right!

Sunglasses are very important to protect what's left of your macula,
also... At least that's what my retina specialist told me.

Will, T2

"Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> Sunglasses are very important to protect what's left of your macula,
> also... At least that's what my retina specialist told me.
>
> Will, T2

Thanks for the info, Will; my doc didn't tell me that.

Karen (polishing her sunglasses)

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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>
> I thought you had to go thru menus to do that in IE? Oh
> wait, IE 7.0. I never used that. You need XP for 7.0, no?
>

yes, I believe that's the case.

Will, T2 <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:10:32 GMT, "Karen in NC"
> <sickofspam@nospam.com> wrote:

>>You're doing the right things to stave off AMD - keep up the good work! Do
>>you have an Amsler grid too? It might be a good idea to check one
>>occasionally to stay on top of things. I should really get into the
>>sunglasses habit, as my eye doc told me several months I have the start of
>>cataracts. She assured me I'm years away from surgery; I hope she's right!

> Sunglasses are very important to protect what's left of your macula,
> also... At least that's what my retina specialist told me.

Provided they're a) sufficiently UV blocking, and b) sufficiently wrap
around. Sunglasses which block more visible light than UV light will
worsen the effects of UV exposure, those which block the same amount
of UV as visible won't do any good because iris opening will
compensate, and small lenses leave the eye not only open to UV at the
edges if vision, but wider open because the pupil is larger.

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

: One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
: way to zoom pages with ctrl++

: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
: d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
: Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
: --
: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
: http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
: latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena

Easy to do with Safire too on my wonderful new Mini Mac

Wendy

Will

not just 'sunglasses' but FULL wrap around, top
and bottom sealing sun glasses

the sunlight that comes into the eye periferally
has to be blocked too

my friend has macular degeneration....... she's
lost central vision in one eye totally

miraculously, her other eye recovered on it
own.... the opthamologist still has no explanation
for that

kate
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"Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:10:32 GMT, "Karen in NC"
> <sickofspam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >You're doing the right things to stave off
AMD - keep up the good work! Do
> >you have an Amsler grid too? It might be a
good idea to check one
> >occasionally to stay on top of things. I
should really get into the
> >sunglasses habit, as my eye doc told me several
months I have the start of
> >cataracts. She assured me I'm years away from
surgery; I hope she's right!
>
> Sunglasses are very important to protect what's
left of your macula,
> also... At least that's what my retina
specialist told me.
>
> Will, T2

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:50:07 GMT, "bj"
<bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4r5dk29rdmqia3e30mb9l8lrh37grbg7v5@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
>> way to zoom pages with ctrl++
>>
>
>IE 7 does that too.
>bj
>
I just checked - mine is 6.0.2900.2180.xpxp

Before I upgrade (if I can) are there any disadvantages to
doing so?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:50:07 GMT, "bj"
> <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> >"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:4r5dk29rdmqia3e30mb9l8lrh37grbg7v5@4ax.com.. .
> >>
> >> One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
> >> way to zoom pages with ctrl++
> >>
> >
> >IE 7 does that too.
> >bj
> >
> I just checked - mine is 6.0.2900.2180.xpxp
>
> Before I upgrade (if I can) are there any disadvantages to
> doing so?
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena

It won't run under Windows 98se.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:08:42 -0600, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>newsanfk2h8of08fd9q5gfoaua3o449572rip@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:50:07 GMT, "bj"
>> <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4r5dk29rdmqia3e30mb9l8lrh37grbg7v5@4ax.com.. .
>> >>
>> >> One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
>> >> way to zoom pages with ctrl++
>> >>
>> >
>> >IE 7 does that too.
>> >bj
>> >
>> I just checked - mine is 6.0.2900.2180.xpxp
>>
>> Before I upgrade (if I can) are there any disadvantages to
>> doing so?
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> --
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena
>
>It won't run under Windows 98se.
>

I'm on xp. Any other known bugs?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:23:39 +1100, Alan S
>
>One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
>way to zoom pages with ctrl++

Holy shit.

THANK YOU!!!

Jo Anne

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:45:48 -0500, Jo Anne Slaven
<joanne.slaven@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:23:39 +1100, Alan S
>>
>>One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
>>way to zoom pages with ctrl++
>
>Holy shit.
>
>THANK YOU!!!
>
>Jo Anne

I just installed IE7. As others have mentioned the same
thing works on it. It also now has tabs - I suppose
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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On 31 Oct 2006 18:53:59 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>Will, T2 <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:10:32 GMT, "Karen in NC"
>> <sickofspam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>You're doing the right things to stave off AMD - keep up the good work! Do
>>>you have an Amsler grid too? It might be a good idea to check one
>>>occasionally to stay on top of things. I should really get into the
>>>sunglasses habit, as my eye doc told me several months I have the start of
>>>cataracts. She assured me I'm years away from surgery; I hope she's right!
>
>> Sunglasses are very important to protect what's left of your macula,
>> also... At least that's what my retina specialist told me.
>
>Provided they're a) sufficiently UV blocking, and b) sufficiently wrap
>around. Sunglasses which block more visible light than UV light will
>worsen the effects of UV exposure, those which block the same amount
>of UV as visible won't do any good because iris opening will
>compensate, and small lenses leave the eye not only open to UV at the
>edges if vision, but wider open because the pupil is larger.

Yes, Chris, I agree... I neglected to mention the UV aspect. When
buying sunglasses, I always go for the ones with the highest
protective effect from UV, since that is what does the damage.

Will, T2

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:38:31 -0700, "TigerLily" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Will
>
>not just 'sunglasses' but FULL wrap around, top
>and bottom sealing sun glasses
>
>the sunlight that comes into the eye periferally
>has to be blocked too
>
>my friend has macular degeneration....... she's
>lost central vision in one eye totally
>
>miraculously, her other eye recovered on it
>own.... the opthamologist still has no explanation
>for that
>
>kate

Yep, yor're right... I forgot to mention the importance of "wrap
arounds". Thanks,

Will, T2

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:08:42 -0600, "Robert Miles"
> <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >newsanfk2h8of08fd9q5gfoaua3o449572rip@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:50:07 GMT, "bj"
> >> <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:4r5dk29rdmqia3e30mb9l8lrh37grbg7v5@4ax.com.. .
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
> >> >> way to zoom pages with ctrl++
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >IE 7 does that too.
> >> >bj
> >> >
> >> I just checked - mine is 6.0.2900.2180.xpxp
> >>
> >> Before I upgrade (if I can) are there any disadvantages to
> >> doing so?
> >>
> >> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> >> d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
> >> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> >> --
> >> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> >> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> >> latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena
> >
> >It won't run under Windows 98se.
> >
>
> I'm on xp. Any other known bugs?
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Some of the people who have tried it are having problems
getting it to so certain things. More details available on
microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general .

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
newsanfk2h8of08fd9q5gfoaua3o449572rip@4ax.com...
>>
>>IE 7 does that too.
>>bj
>>
> I just checked - mine is 6.0.2900.2180.xpxp
>
> Before I upgrade (if I can) are there any disadvantages to
> doing so?
>

I see you've already upgraded.
I don't like the way you have to open the favorites menu to get at a link --
I preferred the pre-7 way of just hovering the mouse over the list to drill
down to sub-folders.
bj

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:28:33 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>
>Jusst a quick point. If you don' have an amster grid, but yu do have
>venitian blinds, check your vision by looking at teh blinds. If you see
>any wiggles in the straight blinds, run, do not walk to the retina doctor.
>i check my vision at least once a day adn if I were to notice any change
>in my usual right side single wiggle,that clims the blind, I ma tocall for
>an immediate appointment.

A nun was in the bath when there was a knock at the door

"Who is it?"

"It's the blind man"

"OK, come in"

"Wow, nice tits. Where do you want this blind hanging?"

sorry couldn't resist

That's a very good idea. You could also probably improvise something
with a monitor test grid.

>Sinc emy treatment for WMD I don't see the crazy wiggling, angled world
>everywhere, like on my computer, although leteers and numbers can sstill
>blink on and off or jump up and down lines. Weird!
>
>Wendy-reading with a 2x magnifier lately, still hoing for more
>improvement. last Avastin shot jan 3, 2006!
>
fingers crossed for you

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:37:30 -0600, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:2irfk2l3o604tobpa0lal98on49id1qfkv@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:08:42 -0600, "Robert Miles"
>> <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >newsanfk2h8of08fd9q5gfoaua3o449572rip@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:50:07 GMT, "bj"
>> >> <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4r5dk29rdmqia3e30mb9l8lrh37grbg7v5@4ax.com.. .
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One of the really good things about Firefox is the simple
>> >> >> way to zoom pages with ctrl++
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >IE 7 does that too.
>> >> >bj
>> >> >
>> >> I just checked - mine is 6.0.2900.2180.xpxp
>> >>
>> >> Before I upgrade (if I can) are there any disadvantages to
>> >> doing so?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> >> d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> >> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> >> --
>> >> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>> >> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>> >> latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena
>> >
>> >It won't run under Windows 98se.
>> >
>>
>> I'm on xp. Any other known bugs?
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>
>Some of the people who have tried it are having problems
>getting it to so certain things. More details available on
>microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general .
>

Thanks all for your comments.

I've upgraded and getting used to the changes. As I said
elsewhere, imitation (of Firefox) is the sincerest form of
flattery. I'll still use both - so many pages now seem to be
designed to work better on IE, with graphics skewed on
Firefox - see that glucobate page as an example.

No real problems yet, except that it seems to slow my
computer down at times when it's loading.

As there seem to be some experts here, can anyone comment on
why, occasionally, Outlook Express will receive my incoming
messages without hassles - but it won't send the outgoing
ones?

Error message:
The connection to the server has failed. Account: (omitted
for this example), Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL):
No, Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E

That will happen for several hours - then service resumes as
normal inexplicably. Started happening a couple of weeks
ago, once or twice a week. I tried all the standard things -
restarts etc.

Is it my computer, my ISP, or an Outlook glitch?

My version is 6.00 2900 2180 on xp.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Tuscany, Radicofani, Lake Bolsena