school lunch

Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked up 2
slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a bottle
of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The door
was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the lunch
area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It worked
fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next week
I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs before
and know how much to inject.
I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to ware
it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I have an
accident people will know I am diabetic.
Amber

amber.jean.j@gmail.com wrote:
> Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at
school so I
> tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I
looked up 2
> slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and
and a bottle
> of water than took it to the nurses office so I could
inject. The door
> was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner
of the lunch
> area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza.
It worked
> fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe
next week
> I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the
carbs before
> and know how much to inject.
> I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm
going to ware
> it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that
if I have an
> accident people will know I am diabetic.
> Amber

Good stuff, life is approaching something like "normal"
again? Whatever normal is

On 16 Mar 2007 18:23:41 -0700, "amber.jean.j@gmail.com"
<amber.jean.j@gmail.com> wrote:

> Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
>tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked up 2
>slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a bottle
>of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The door
>was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the lunch
>area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It worked
>fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next week
>I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs before
>and know how much to inject.
> I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to ware
>it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I have an
>accident people will know I am diabetic.

Be careful about pizza. You may have no problems with it, but for many
Type 1 diabetics (myself included), it's one of the worst foods --
worse even than eating candy bars. It's not so much the carb content
in the pizza, but it's the *combination* of carbs and fat. (I have the
same problem with hot dogs.) The fat content slows down the absorption
of the carbs in your digestive tract, so that if you inject
rapid-acting insulin at the usual time (just before eating the meal),
your BG may well go too low. Then it jumps high and stays high for
hours. You need to monitor your BG carefully to see how this type of
food affects you. Discuss this with your diabetes educators.

amber.jean.j@gmail.com wrote:
> Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
> tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked up 2
> slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a bottle
> of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The door
> was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the lunch
> area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It worked
> fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next week
> I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs before
> and know how much to inject.
> I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to ware
> it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I have an
> accident people will know I am diabetic.
> Amber
>
Amber,

I've been following your posts and saga, but haven't really replied. I'm
very new to all of this too, and not sure what sorts of advice I can
give. I do want to congratulate you on trying lunch at school, and
working on one of your fears of injecting at school. Sounds like you
are making great strides!! You've come such a long way in such a short
time, and from your posts I can see you are a very neat young lady, and
very intelligent to boot. You seem not to have let the diabetes thing
get you down, but are handling it as a great challenge, and getting
through it as best you can. I've no doubt that after a few months of
this you will have learned tons, and will continue to learn more and
will definitely not allow this illness to take over your life, but will
instead 'take charge' this illness so that you can take charge of your
life too! Just wanted to say KUDOS, and let you know that seeing how
well you can handle this with all the pressures that come with high
school and a dad so far away from home makes me realize I can handle
this too.

Emily

On Mar 16, 9:03 pm, Alexander Arnakis <inva...@address.none> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2007 18:23:41 -0700, "amber.jea...@gmail.com"
>
> <amber.jea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
> >tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked up 2
> >slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a bottle
> >of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The door
> >was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the lunch
> >area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It worked
> >fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next week
> >I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs before
> >and know how much to inject.
> > I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to ware
> >it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I have an
> >accident people will know I am diabetic.
>
> Be careful about pizza. You may have no problems with it, but for many
> Type 1 diabetics (myself included), it's one of the worst foods --
> worse even than eating candy bars. It's not so much the carb content
> in the pizza, but it's the *combination* of carbs and fat. (I have the
> same problem with hot dogs.) The fat content slows down the absorption
> of the carbs in your digestive tract, so that if you inject
> rapid-acting insulin at the usual time (just before eating the meal),
> your BG may well go too low. Then it jumps high and stays high for
> hours. You need to monitor your BG carefully to see how this type of
> food affects you. Discuss this with your diabetes educators.

Maybe that is why I was so high before dinner 205 so I took 2 extra
units. My instructions say if I am 170-210 before a meal I need to
take 2 more units.
I went to the movies with 2 girl friends we saw Premonition. Before
the movie we stopped at Starbucks in the mall. I was going to have a
Latte but that is 21 carbs so I got a cappuccino instead only 13
carbs. That was still a lot and I wanted some popcorn at the movie but
didn't because I was probably already high from the cappuccino. I keep
the calorie king book in my diabetes pack with my other things it has
Starbucks and most other fast food places in it.
Do you inject for between meal snacks like Latte or popcorn? I
think it would be better to do that than get high and do a correction
injection.
Amber

On Mar 16, 9:49 pm, Emily <Nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> amber.jea...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
> > tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked up 2
> > slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a bottle
> > of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The door
> > was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the lunch
> > area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It worked
> > fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next week
> > I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs before
> > and know how much to inject.
> > I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to ware
> > it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I have an
> > accident people will know I am diabetic.
> > Amber
>
> Amber,
>
> I've been following your posts and saga, but haven't really replied. I'm
> very new to all of this too, and not sure what sorts of advice I can
> give. I do want to congratulate you on trying lunch at school, and
> working on one of your fears of injecting at school. Sounds like you
> are making great strides!! You've come such a long way in such a short
> time, and from your posts I can see you are a very neat young lady, and
> very intelligent to boot. You seem not to have let the diabetes thing
> get you down, but are handling it as a great challenge, and getting
> through it as best you can. I've no doubt that after a few months of
> this you will have learned tons, and will continue to learn more and
> will definitely not allow this illness to take over your life, but will
> instead 'take charge' this illness so that you can take charge of your
> life too! Just wanted to say KUDOS, and let you know that seeing how
> well you can handle this with all the pressures that come with high
> school and a dad so far away from home makes me realize I can handle
> this too.
>
> Emily

We don't have any choice but to handle it. For the first month I let
my mother handle it for me. She injected me and tested me. After I
started learning I realized that I had to do it myself if I was ever
going to have a life of my own. It's not so bad it could be a lot
worse like Madison is.
Amber

On Mar 16, 6:30 pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
> amber.jea...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at
> school so I
> > tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I
> looked up 2
> > slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and
> and a bottle
> > of water than took it to the nurses office so I could
> inject. The door
> > was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner
> of the lunch
> > area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza.
> It worked
> > fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe
> next week
> > I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the
> carbs before
> > and know how much to inject.
> > I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm
> going to ware
> > it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that
> if I have an
> > accident people will know I am diabetic.
> > Amber
>
> Good stuff, life is approaching something like "normal"
> again? Whatever normal is

If only I could have snacks like my friends things would be getting
like normal.
Amber

<amber.jean.j@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174112407.033080.114060@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> On Mar 16, 9:03 pm, Alexander Arnakis <inva...@address.none> wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2007 18:23:41 -0700, "amber.jea...@gmail.com"
>>
>> <amber.jea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
>> >tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked
>> >up 2
>> >slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a
>> >bottle
>> >of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The
>> >door
>> >was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the
>> >lunch
>> >area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It
>> >worked
>> >fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next
>> >week
>> >I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs
>> >before
>> >and know how much to inject.
>> > I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to
>> > ware
>> >it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I
>> >have an
>> >accident people will know I am diabetic.
>>
>> Be careful about pizza. You may have no problems with it, but for
>> many
>> Type 1 diabetics (myself included), it's one of the worst foods --
>> worse even than eating candy bars. It's not so much the carb
>> content
>> in the pizza, but it's the *combination* of carbs and fat. (I have
>> the
>> same problem with hot dogs.) The fat content slows down the
>> absorption
>> of the carbs in your digestive tract, so that if you inject
>> rapid-acting insulin at the usual time (just before eating the
>> meal),
>> your BG may well go too low. Then it jumps high and stays high for
>> hours. You need to monitor your BG carefully to see how this type
>> of
>> food affects you. Discuss this with your diabetes educators.
>
> Maybe that is why I was so high before dinner 205 so I took 2
> extra
> units. My instructions say if I am 170-210 before a meal I need to
> take 2 more units.
> I went to the movies with 2 girl friends we saw Premonition.
> Before
> the movie we stopped at Starbucks in the mall. I was going to have a
> Latte but that is 21 carbs so I got a cappuccino instead only 13
> carbs. That was still a lot and I wanted some popcorn at the movie
> but
> didn't because I was probably already high from the cappuccino. I
> keep
> the calorie king book in my diabetes pack with my other things it
> has
> Starbucks and most other fast food places in it.
> Do you inject for between meal snacks like Latte or popcorn? I
> think it would be better to do that than get high and do a
> correction
> injection.
> Amber
>

I agree about the pizza. Actually ask your CDE about the "pizza
effect".
It's when food we eat has too much fat in it and causes a huge delay
in
a high bg reading. I, too always go higher around 4-5hrs after eating
pizza. This is one reason pumps have whats called a "combo bolus"
on them, that way, we can inject a bit now and then more over a set
amount of time to help with that effect.

As for injecting for between meal snacks.. yep!! That is another great
feature about pumps these days, they have whats called "IOB" Insulin
on Board. Which when you want to inject more for more food you eat
it will calculate out how much more you will need for what you already
have injected. But yes, you can inject more, just remember you
already
have insulin in you still working if it's been within 4hrs of
injecting prior
and adjust accordingly or watch for a hypo. Often, what I'll do is
just
not inject more, but take a nice walk around the mall and let the walk
do it's thing in bringing me down a bit more.. and then wait another
2-3hrs and then inject a correction and within a hour I'm back where I
should be.

But don't be afraid to have that popcorn or latte.. You're young and
it's
not going to hurt ya kiddo.

RK, t1

I guess it's different for T1's who use insulin, but corn
is one of the highest glycemic foods there is.

But then.....Dr. Bernstein is a T1....so I dunno.

I miss popcorn too. I eat raw almonds now.

Who is Madison?

amber.jean.j@gmail.com <amber.jean.j@gmail.com> wrote:
: Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
: tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked up 2
: slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a bottle
: of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The door
: was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the lunch
: area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It worked
: fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next week
: I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs before
: and know how much to inject.
: I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to ware
: it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I have an
: accident people will know I am diabetic.
: Amber

Amber,

I am so proud of you!!! You were afraid of eatng at cschool, but you
found the courage to do it! It worked and noow there is one less
limitation you have.

We are all so impressed with your progress in learning to handle your
diabetes adn know you will continue to get better and beter at it.

Just think how proud your Dad will be when he returns and finds that you
have this disease and that you are so well able to take care of it! He
will now that his little girl is growing up into a responsible woman.

YOu show intellegence, an ability to do resarch, separate the good form
the bad with advice and other fine qualities. If you can learn to apply
this same good brains to your school work, you should be able to do very
well indeed.

Well, enough advice from a retired school teacher (HS History).

Wendy

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:18:25 -0700, dumbfishie99@yahoo.com wrote:

>I guess it's different for T1's who use insulin, but corn
>is one of the highest glycemic foods there is.
>
>But then.....Dr. Bernstein is a T1....so I dunno.
>
>I miss popcorn too. I eat raw almonds now.

Try popcorn - you may find it doesn't spike you. I have a cup-sized
serving occasionally (salted, home popped) with no effect on my bgs.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

I can do a small portion in the afternoon too. I pop my own as well.

Cheri


Nicky wrote in message ...

>Try popcorn - you may find it doesn't spike you. I have a cup-sized
>serving occasionally (salted, home popped) with no effect on my bgs.
>
>Nicky.
>T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

<dumbfishie99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Who is Madison?

Another T1, but with more medical problems.

She recently posted that, instead of the celiac problems
they were treating her for, they found she has sprue.

Hi Amber,
Just curious. What blood sugar level does your doctor recommend 2 to 3 hours
after eating?

<amber.jean.j@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Everyone thinks I would do better if I ate lunch at school so I
> tried it today. I knew they were having domino pizza so I looked up 2
> slices it was 75 carbs. At lunch time I got 2 slices and and a bottle
> of water than took it to the nurses office so I could inject. The door
> was locked, she was gone someplace so I sat in the corner of the lunch
> area and injected myself in the thigh than ate the pizza. It worked
> fine, I tested just before walking home and was 187. Maybe next week
> I'll try bringing my lunch. That way I can calculate the carbs before
> and know how much to inject.
> I got my medic alert bracelet in the mail today. I'm going to ware
> it all the time it makes me feel more secure knowing that if I have an
> accident people will know I am diabetic.
> Amber
>

dumbfishie99@yahoo.com wrote:
> Who is Madison?

The other teenaged type 1 who has been posting her for a
couple of years. She also has celiac type problems.

On Mar 17, 12:14 pm, "Colonel Bippy" <Colo...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Hi Amber,
> Just curious. What blood sugar level does your doctor recommend 2 to 3 hours
> after eating?
>
> <amber.jea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174094621.734240.27030@d57g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>

My 2 hour after eating goal is <150. She said it would be lower later
when they learn more about my glucose stability. Most time I am higher
than 150 and she will probably adjust my ration but hasn't done it
yet.
Amber

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:18:25 -0700, dumbfishie99@yahoo.com wrote:

>I guess it's different for T1's who use insulin, but corn
>is one of the highest glycemic foods there is.
>
Yes, maybe (I think rice might be absorbed faster). But it's not only
speed of absorption (the so-called "glycemic index"), but more
importantly, the gross amount of carbs that affects BG control.
Popcorn is mostly air, so for a given serving size, the total carbs
are low. It's not bad as a snack, provided you count the carbs and
cover them with the right amount of insulin.

I just want to make a point. Many times I had no school lunch.

Later I was given on e dime to buy a Pepsi and a cookie.

Finally the federal Government setup school lunch
programs the later stages of WW2.

We survived but had a taste of the real world.

More would be rambling, especially if I went to
current health care.

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<amber.jean.j@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Do you inject for between meal snacks like Latte or popcorn? I
> think it would be better to do that than get high and do a correction
> injection.
> Amber

I'm on a pump and that means I can bolus for even a small amount of carbs.
When I enter my carbs and BG reading, my pump lets me know how much insulin
is still working. Depending on my BG, how much insulin is on board,
activity level and what I'm eating I may decide not to take any more even if
the pump recommends a bolus.

When I was on injections I would sometimes have several snacks over just a
couple of hours and would inject for each one, and end up going low. Before
I moved to the pump my CDE told me not to inject for any snack 20g of carbs
or less if I had taken an injection within the last 4 hours.


--
Liz
Type 1 dx 4/1987
Minimed Paradigm 715 5/2005

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:09:03 GMT, Alexander Arnakis
<invalid@address.none> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:18:25 -0700, dumbfishie99@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>I guess it's different for T1's who use insulin, but corn
>>is one of the highest glycemic foods there is.
>>
>Yes, maybe (I think rice might be absorbed faster). But it's not only
>speed of absorption (the so-called "glycemic index"), but more
>importantly, the gross amount of carbs that affects BG control.
>Popcorn is mostly air, so for a given serving size, the total carbs
>are low. It's not bad as a snack, provided you count the carbs and
>cover them with the right amount of insulin.

I'm not on meds.

It is mostly air, and that's why they give you a huge serving of it.
It's one of the foods that led me to figuring out I had some kind
of a problem, because of feeling ill after having it.

<dumbfishie99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I guess it's different for T1's who use insulin, but corn
> is one of the highest glycemic foods there is.
>
> But then.....Dr. Bernstein is a T1....so I dunno.
>
> I miss popcorn too. I eat raw almonds now.

I eat popcorn frequently. It works quite well for me. I just have to be
careful to watch my portion.

As for other types of corn, I've found it is very delicious raw. I don't
like to eat it straight from the cob. My teeth are very close together and
I always get it stuck between them. Ow! So I cut it off the cob and eat it
as is or make it into a salad adding things like tomato, peppers, onion, and
even black beans. And because it is raw you get to eat more volume-wise
than you would if it were cooked down.

I do sometimes eat a bit of cooked corn, although it is not a favorite food.
I add it to soups, stews and casseroles.

[Default] On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:44:29 -0700, guys@consolidated.net
Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>
>I just want to make a point. Many times I had no school lunch.
>
>Later I was given on e dime to buy a Pepsi and a cookie.
>
>Finally the federal Government setup school lunch
>programs the later stages of WW2.
>
>We survived but had a taste of the real world.
>
>More would be rambling, especially if I went to
>current health care.
>

correct me if I am wrong, but you were not injecting any insulin at
that time were you?

skipping or delaying meals was a far different for you then.

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> [Default] On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:44:29 -0700, g...@consolidated.net
> Giggled into the madness of usenet:
>
>
>
> >I just want to make a point. Many times I had no school lunch.
>
> >Later I was given on e dime to buy a Pepsi and a cookie.
>
> >Finally the federal Government setup school lunch
> >programs the later stages of WW2.
>
> >We survived but had a taste of the real world.
>
> >More would be rambling, especially if I went to
> >current health care.
>
> correct me if I am wrong, but you were not injecting any insulin at
> that time were you?
>
> skipping or delaying meals was a far different for you then.
>
> --
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>
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>
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I think this is right, if my levemir insulin was adjusted just right I
could skip meals and not inject my novolog insulin and my glucose
would stay good even if I didn't eat all day. Then any extra exercise
or food would have to be compensated for by food or insulin. I hope I
explained this right.
Amber

On 20 Mar 2007 15:07:27 -0700, "amber.jean.j@gmail.com"
<amber.jean.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I think this is right, if my levemir insulin was adjusted just right I
>could skip meals and not inject my novolog insulin and my glucose
>would stay good even if I didn't eat all day. Then any extra exercise
>or food would have to be compensated for by food or insulin. I hope I
>explained this right.

That's right.

When I first went on the Lantus/Humalog regimen, I was able to lose
quite of bit of weight because I could skip meals (I could omit the
bolus of Humalog, knowing that the basal Lantus would keep me
covered).

However, after a while, the hunger pangs in the afternoon (after a
skipped lunch) would become unbearable. They were actually painful. A
partial solution for this was to fill up on leafy salads and other
things that had no carbs. Also, I was prescribed a medication that
inhibited the production of stomach acid, which alleviated the pain
somewhat, but also caused problems with digestion of my regular meals.

After I had lost about 20 pounds, I went back to eating lunch, but not
as much as before. I don't have the hunger pains any more.

On Mar 20, 3:28 pm, Alexander Arnakis <inva...@address.none> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2007 15:07:27 -0700, "amber.jea...@gmail.com"
>
> <amber.jea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I think this is right, if my levemir insulin was adjusted just right I
> >could skip meals and not inject my novolog insulin and my glucose
> >would stay good even if I didn't eat all day. Then any extra exercise
> >or food would have to be compensated for by food or insulin. I hope I
> >explained this right.
>
> That's right.
>
> When I first went on the Lantus/Humalog regimen, I was able to lose
> quite of bit of weight because I could skip meals (I could omit the
> bolus of Humalog, knowing that the basal Lantus would keep me
> covered).
>
> However, after a while, the hunger pangs in the afternoon (after a
> skipped lunch) would become unbearable. They were actually painful. A
> partial solution for this was to fill up on leafy salads and other
> things that had no carbs. Also, I was prescribed a medication that
> inhibited the production of stomach acid, which alleviated the pain
> somewhat, but also caused problems with digestion of my regular meals.
>
> After I had lost about 20 pounds, I went back to eating lunch, but not
> as much as before. I don't have the hunger pains any more.

I was not thinking about loosing weight although I could stand to
loose 5-10 pounds. I was think that if I was occupied and didn't want
to or couldn't take the time to test/inject/eat/test I could just not
eat and still wouldn't have to worry about getting to high or to low.
It wouldn't be good to do this all the time but for a special activity
it could be good.
Amber

On 20 Mar 2007 18:02:46 -0700, "amber.jean.j@gmail.com"
<amber.jean.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I was not thinking about losing weight although I could stand to
>lose 5-10 pounds. I was thinking that if I was occupied and didn't want
>to or couldn't take the time to test/inject/eat/test I could just not
>eat and still wouldn't have to worry about getting to high or to low.
>It wouldn't be good to do this all the time but for a special activity
>it could be good.

If you wanted to eat a regular lunch with your classmates but didn't
want to take the time to test and inject (or didn't want to do it
around the others), you could take an insulin (like Regular) in the
morning that peaked 3-4 hours after you took it. But then, you would
*have* to eat a predetermined amount at lunch, or risk going low. This
is called "feeding the insulin," and it often leads to weight gain.

That's exactly the situation I found myself in while I was working.
Only after I retired did I feel able to shift to the more modern
Lantus/Humalog regimen. (Been doing it for seven years now with much
better results than before.)

[Default] On 20 Mar 2007 15:07:27 -0700, "amber.jean.j@gmail.com"
<amber.jean.j@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>On Mar 20, 2:52 pm, Ma¢k <stopthes...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>> [Default] On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:44:29 -0700, g...@consolidated.net
>> Giggled into the madness of usenet:
>>
>>
>>
>> >I just want to make a point. Many times I had no school lunch.
>>
>> >Later I was given on e dime to buy a Pepsi and a cookie.
>>
>> >Finally the federal Government setup school lunch
>> >programs the later stages of WW2.
>>
>> >We survived but had a taste of the real world.
>>
>> >More would be rambling, especially if I went to
>> >current health care.
>>
>> correct me if I am wrong, but you were not injecting any insulin at
>> that time were you?
>>
>> skipping or delaying meals was a far different for you then.
>>
>> --
>> Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper

>I think this is right, if my levemir insulin was adjusted just right I
>could skip meals and not inject my novolog insulin and my glucose
>would stay good even if I didn't eat all day. Then any extra exercise
>or food would have to be compensated for by food or insulin. I hope I
>explained this right.
>Amber

you did. perfectly. But I was asking Guy. He was not diagnosed type
1 as a kid, and did not go through school as a diabetic like you and
I. If I remember correctly.

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"Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message
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> [Default] On 20 Mar 2007 15:07:27 -0700, "amber.jean.j@gmail.com"
> <amber.jean.j@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet:
>
>>On Mar 20, 2:52 pm, Ma¢k <stopthes...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>>> [Default] On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:44:29 -0700, g...@consolidated.net
>>> Giggled into the madness of usenet:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >I just want to make a point. Many times I had no school lunch.
>>>
>>> >Later I was given on e dime to buy a Pepsi and a cookie.
>>>
>>> >Finally the federal Government setup school lunch
>>> >programs the later stages of WW2.
>>>
>>> >We survived but had a taste of the real world.
>>>
>>> >More would be rambling, especially if I went to
>>> >current health care.
>>>
>>> correct me if I am wrong, but you were not injecting any insulin at
>>> that time were you?
>>>
>>> skipping or delaying meals was a far different for you then.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
>
>>I think this is right, if my levemir insulin was adjusted just right I
>>could skip meals and not inject my novolog insulin and my glucose
>>would stay good even if I didn't eat all day. Then any extra exercise
>>or food would have to be compensated for by food or insulin. I hope I
>>explained this right.
>>Amber
>
> you did. perfectly. But I was asking Guy. He was not diagnosed type
> 1 as a kid, and did not go through school as a diabetic like you and
> I. If I remember correctly.
>
> --
> Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
> Type 1 since 1975
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
> http://www.diabetic-talk.org
> http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
> http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
>

And Guy also went several years (iirc close to 20) being able to take
just oral meds.

On Mar 20, 6:07 pm, "amber.jea...@gmail.com" <amber.jea...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 20, 2:52 pm, Ma¢k <stopthes...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > [Default] On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:44:29 -0700, g...@consolidated.net
> > Giggled into the madness of usenet:
>
> > >I just want to make a point. Many times I had no school lunch.
>
> > >Later I was given on e dime to buy a Pepsi and a cookie.
>
> > >Finally the federal Government setup school lunch
> > >programs the later stages of WW2.
>
> > >We survived but had a taste of the real world.
>
> > >More would be rambling, especially if I went to
> > >current health care.
>
> > correct me if I am wrong, but you were not injecting any insulin at
> > that time were you?
>
> > skipping or delaying meals was a far different for you then.
>
> > --
> > Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
> > Type 1 since 1975http://www.alt-support-diabetes.orghttp://www.diabetic-talk.orghttp:/...enter "Jason & Demarco"
>
> > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
> > President, or that we are to stand by the President
> > right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
> > but is morally treasonable to the American public."
> > ...Theodore Roosevelt
>
> > (o ô)
> > --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
>
> > "I don't know half of you
> > half as well as I should like;
> > and I like less than half of you
> > half as well as you deserve."
> > ....Bilbo Baggins
>
> > DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
> > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
> > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
> > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
> > .
>
> I think this is right, if my levemir insulin was adjusted just right I
> could skip meals and not inject my novolog insulin and my glucose
> would stay good even if I didn't eat all day. Then any extra exercise
> or food would have to be compensated for by food or insulin. I hope I
> explained this right.

Yep, that's the theory, you got it right!

The important word in the theory above is "if". Levemir has a pretty
flat absorption curve but not perfectly flat and in fact sometimes it
really does get absorbed faster than other times. Couple that with the
other variables you mentioned (exercise, food) and a few others you
don't mention (illness, stress) that can tweak your bg one way or
another and my personal conclusion - for me - is that all the "if"
clauses are not guaranteed to be satisfied. That's why I am much much
more comfortable with consistent meals and mealtimes and moving
activities that are known to tweak my bg one way or another to times
when I am most confident that I am not likely to have a hypo.

It's not perfect - some hypos come up completely out of the blue, for
no explainable reason, and especially when I'm aiming for very very
tight (that is 80-120 readings) control. I usually blame these on
insulin (particularly long-lasting insulin) that got absorbed more
quickly than I expected but it's hard to know that for sure. Sometimes
my fast-acting insulin actually gets absorbed even faster than my
meal, and in that respect the fast-acting insulins (for me, Humalog)
are trickier than good-old-fashioned Regular.

Tim.