Scientists Say Dieting does not work

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...p?newsid=67422

We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good.
Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future
weight gain."
************************************************** *****************
Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
10 Apr 2007

US scientists conducting a comprehensive review of dieting research
have concluded that dieting does not work.

The study is published in the April edition of American Psychologist,
the journal of the American Psychological Association.

Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA),
reviewed 31 long-term studies lasting between 2 to 5 years.

UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study,
Traci Mann said:

"You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number
of diets, but then the weight comes back."

"We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus
more," she added.

The researchers found a very small minority of study participants
managed to sustain weight loss, while the majority put all the weight
back on, and more in the longer term.

"Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the
majority of people," said Dr Mann.

Dr Mann and colleagues sought to determine the long term effects of
dieting and address the question "Would they have been better off to
not go on a diet at all?".

So they analyzed every study they could find that followed people on
diets for 2 to 5 years. Studies that take less than 2 years are "too
short to show whether dieters have regained the weight they lost,"
they said.

They discovered that it would have been better for most of them if
they had not gone on a diet at all.

"Their weight would be pretty much the same, and their bodies would
not suffer the wear and tear from losing weight and gaining it all
back," explained Dr Mann.

Their findings show that:

-- People on diets typically lose 5 to 10 per cent of their weight in
the first 6 months.
-- But 33 to 66 per cent regain more than what they lose within 4 to 5
years.

Dr Mann and colleagues suspect the real situation is actually even
worse; the figures do not really reflect reality, making diet studies
look better than they are. They say there are a number of reasons for
this:

-- Many participants phone or mail their results in themselves,
without an impartial assessor.
-- A lot of studies have a below 50 per cent follow up rate; and the
people who put on a lot of weight are less likely to stay in touch.

UCLA graduate student of psychology and co-author of the study, Janet
Tomiyama said that "Several studies indicate that dieting is actually
a consistent predictor of future weight gain."

One study in particular that they looked at found that men and women
who took part in a weight reduction programme gained significantly
more weight than those who did not over the same period of time.

Tomiyama mentioned another study, this time looking at links between
lifestyle and weight in 19,000 healthy older men over four years. This
study found that, "One of the best predictors of weight gain over the
four years was having lost weight on a diet at some point during the
years before the study started," she said.

Also, in many studies with control groups, the people in the control
group very often were better off than the participants who dieted.

Dr Mann suggests that eating in moderation and exercise do make a
difference. Although they were not looking at exercise in particular,
Dr Mann said that:

"Exercise may well be the key factor leading to sustained weight loss.
Studies consistently find that people who reported the most exercise
also had the most weight loss."

One study following obese patients discovered that:

-- Among those followed for under 2 years, 23 per cent of patients had
regained their weight loss.
-- Among those followed for more than 2 years, 83 per cent had
regained their weight loss.

Another study found that 50 per cent of dieters weighed 11 pounds (5
kilos) more than their starting weight 5 years after their diet.

Among the health hazards of repeated weight loss and regain are
cardiovascular disease, stroke, diabetes and altered immune function,
said Dr Mann and colleagues.

They said more research is needed on the effects of weight loss and
regain on health, and say scientists do not fully understand the
underlying factors involved in this complex relationship.

Dr Mann quoted her mother, who herself has tried to diet many times,
without success. Dr Mann's mother said her daughter's findings were
"obvious".

Although this study reviewed 31 long term dieting projects, they did
not look into specific diets.

The researchers are of the opinion that weight loss programmes are not
good value for money in the treatment of obesity.

"The benefits of dieting are too small and the potential harm is too
large for dieting to be recommended as a safe, effective treatment for
obesity," said Dr Mann.

Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled,
from 15 to 31 per cent of the population.

Click here for UCLA.

Click here for Weight Concern (UK Charity).

Written by: Catharine Paddock
Writer: Medical News Today

morris wrote:
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...p?newsid=67422
>
> We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good.
> Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future
> weight gain."
> ************************************************** *****************
> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
> 10 Apr 2007
>
> US scientists conducting a comprehensive review of dieting research
> have concluded that dieting does not work.
>
> The study is published in the April edition of American Psychologist,
> the journal of the American Psychological Association.
>
> Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA),
> reviewed 31 long-term studies lasting between 2 to 5 years.
>
> UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study,
> Traci Mann said:
>
> "You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number
> of diets, but then the weight comes back."
>
> "We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus
> more," she added.
>
> The researchers found a very small minority of study participants
> managed to sustain weight loss, while the majority put all the weight
> back on, and more in the longer term.
>
> "Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the
> majority of people," said Dr Mann.
>
> Dr Mann and colleagues sought to determine the long term effects of
> dieting and address the question "Would they have been better off to
> not go on a diet at all?".
>
> So they analyzed every study they could find that followed people on
> diets for 2 to 5 years. Studies that take less than 2 years are "too
> short to show whether dieters have regained the weight they lost,"
> they said.
>
> They discovered that it would have been better for most of them if
> they had not gone on a diet at all.
>
> "Their weight would be pretty much the same, and their bodies would
> not suffer the wear and tear from losing weight and gaining it all
> back," explained Dr Mann.
>
> Their findings show that:
>
> -- People on diets typically lose 5 to 10 per cent of their weight in
> the first 6 months.
> -- But 33 to 66 per cent regain more than what they lose within 4 to 5
> years.
>
> Dr Mann and colleagues suspect the real situation is actually even
> worse; the figures do not really reflect reality, making diet studies
> look better than they are. They say there are a number of reasons for
> this:
>
> -- Many participants phone or mail their results in themselves,
> without an impartial assessor.
> -- A lot of studies have a below 50 per cent follow up rate; and the
> people who put on a lot of weight are less likely to stay in touch.
>
> UCLA graduate student of psychology and co-author of the study, Janet
> Tomiyama said that "Several studies indicate that dieting is actually
> a consistent predictor of future weight gain."
>
> One study in particular that they looked at found that men and women
> who took part in a weight reduction programme gained significantly
> more weight than those who did not over the same period of time.
>
> Tomiyama mentioned another study, this time looking at links between
> lifestyle and weight in 19,000 healthy older men over four years. This
> study found that, "One of the best predictors of weight gain over the
> four years was having lost weight on a diet at some point during the
> years before the study started," she said.
>
> Also, in many studies with control groups, the people in the control
> group very often were better off than the participants who dieted.
>
> Dr Mann suggests that eating in moderation and exercise do make a
> difference. Although they were not looking at exercise in particular,
> Dr Mann said that:
>
> "Exercise may well be the key factor leading to sustained weight loss.
> Studies consistently find that people who reported the most exercise
> also had the most weight loss."
>
> One study following obese patients discovered that:
>
> -- Among those followed for under 2 years, 23 per cent of patients had
> regained their weight loss.
> -- Among those followed for more than 2 years, 83 per cent had
> regained their weight loss.
>
> Another study found that 50 per cent of dieters weighed 11 pounds (5
> kilos) more than their starting weight 5 years after their diet.
>
> Among the health hazards of repeated weight loss and regain are
> cardiovascular disease, stroke, diabetes and altered immune function,
> said Dr Mann and colleagues.
>
> They said more research is needed on the effects of weight loss and
> regain on health, and say scientists do not fully understand the
> underlying factors involved in this complex relationship.
>
> Dr Mann quoted her mother, who herself has tried to diet many times,
> without success. Dr Mann's mother said her daughter's findings were
> "obvious".
>
> Although this study reviewed 31 long term dieting projects, they did
> not look into specific diets.
>
> The researchers are of the opinion that weight loss programmes are not
> good value for money in the treatment of obesity.
>
> "The benefits of dieting are too small and the potential harm is too
> large for dieting to be recommended as a safe, effective treatment for
> obesity," said Dr Mann.
>
> Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled,
> from 15 to 31 per cent of the population.

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Suggested reading:

http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.h...d=16090#t16090

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

The Official SMC FAQ List:
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On Apr 12, 9:19 am, "Humpty Dumpty" <lov...@thetruth.com> sat on a
wall and wrote:
> morris wrote:
> >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...p?newsid=67422
>
> > We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good.
> > Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future
> > weight gain."
> > ************************************************** *****************
> > Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
> > 10 Apr 2007
> <snip>

Humpty Dumpty...

> Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

....had a great fall:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/diet

July 31st will be a significant day for you, Earthquack.

In article <1176364532.237785.261540@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
"morris" <morrisolder@comcast.net> wrote:

> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...p?newsid=67422
>
> We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good.
> Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future
> weight gain."
> ************************************************** *****************
> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
> 10 Apr 2007
>
> US scientists conducting a comprehensive review of dieting research
> have concluded that dieting does not work.
>
> The study is published in the April edition of American Psychologist,
> the journal of the American Psychological Association.
>
> Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA),
> reviewed 31 long-term studies lasting between 2 to 5 years.
>
> UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study,
> Traci Mann said:
>
> "You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number
> of diets, but then the weight comes back."
>
> "We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus
> more," she added.
>
> The researchers found a very small minority of study participants
> managed to sustain weight loss, while the majority put all the weight
> back on, and more in the longer term.
>
> "Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the
> majority of people," said Dr Mann.

Right. That's because a diet is a temporary thing in the eyes of most
people. To keep weight off after losing it, you need to change your
entire approach to food, eating, and your lifestyle.

This is where Weight Watchers excels. Weight Watchers extols the idea of
a healthy lifestyle, not a temporary change in the foods one eats. The
trouble is, even finding the will power to change one's lifestyle to
embrace healthier eating and exercise requires a lifelong commitment
that many people cannot or are unwilling to meet.

On 12 Apr 2007 00:55:32 -0700, "morris"
<morrisolder@comcast.net> wrote:

>Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work

It's fascinating how a word can change in meaning. A diet
used to be just the description of what you eat. You can see
the gradual change in the progression of Webster's
definitions:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...search&va=diet

a : food and drink regularly provided or consumed
b : habitual nourishment
c : the kind and amount of food prescribed for a person or
animal for a special reason
d : a regimen of eating and drinking sparingly so as to
reduce one's weight <going on a diet>

Dieting as described in "a" or "b", to regularly or
habitually consume food and drink, obviously does work or
we'd all starve to death. So in that sense the sensational
headline is wrong. But slowly we've come to think of dieting
as definition "d" and eating "sparingly" doesn't work
because it is unnatural for the human animal to do that as a
way of life forever.

I think "way of eating" is a better term for how I intend to
eat for the rest of my life, not just to achieve a
short-term goal. I think I first saw it used by Bernstein in
his book on diabetes. I slowly changed my way of eating
continuously since diagnosis; first to lose weight, then to
minimise BG spikes, then to ensure that I was getting the
best nutrition possible without gaining back the weight or
jeopardising blood glucose control.

But to be sustainable, the way of eating has to not only
satisfy nutritional needs but our other social and
psychological needs: to be able to eat in company
comfortably; to be able to munch absently on something while
we think; to have "comfort food" occasionally without guilt.
The only way to achieve that is to train oneself over time
to the point where we like what is appropriate for our needs
and no longer crave what is inappropriate. That does not
happen overnight and may never happen for some - but, in my
opinion, it is the only way to change a way of eating
permanently.

I'm only part of the way there myself. But it's amazing what
I learnt to like, and dislike, once I accepted that my life
does depend on it. Just as an example, I now look on
something like mud-cake in the same way that someone with a
sea-food allergy would look on lobster. Not that I think
it's bad food - just bad for me. So I no longer want it and
I don't feel deprived at all. As Jennifer puts it - it's not
that I can't have it, it's that I don't want it. Mind
games? Maybe; but possibly life-saving mind-games if you can
learn to play them over time.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic

Well the study says dieting doesn't work for MOST people.

I think we already knew that, but it's nice that
researchers were kept busy on this project :-)

cheers


Paul

I am a case in point. from the time I lost fifty pounds in the sixties
and weighed 125, I gained and lost about 200 pounds not all at one time.
The only way I have been able to lose weight and maintain it was being
diagnosed with diabetes. I am too afraid of the consequences not to
adhere to a way of eating and a way of life.

I am sure that many have had my experiences.

Loretta

"Andrew B. muChung, MDemon/


>> Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled,
>> from 15 to 31 per cent of the population.

Advertising works; making food tasty by using lots of fat and sugar also
works.


> Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:


Yet more xian "truth" from the muChung demon.

Paul L <kbtrans@qwest.net> wrote:
|| Well the study says dieting doesn't work for MOST people.
||
|| I think we already knew that, but it's nice that
|| researchers were kept busy on this project :-)
||
|| cheers
||
||
|| Paul

Makes one wonder how much that caused the taxpayers.

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In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:14:53 GMT in Msg.#
<hOtTh.16300$Um6.9184@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net >, "BJ in Texas"
<nospam189-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Paul L <kbtrans@qwest.net> wrote:
> || Well the study says dieting doesn't work for MOST people.
> ||
> || I think we already knew that, but it's nice that
> || researchers were kept busy on this project :-)
> ||
> || cheers
> ||
> ||
> || Paul
>
> Makes one wonder how much that caused the taxpayers.

Or a private foundation that funds research ...

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"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:67ss13h3arobtehls506fad9sgbufe0lkl@4ax.com...
> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:14:53 GMT in Msg.#
> <hOtTh.16300$Um6.9184@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net >, "BJ in Texas"
> <nospam189-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul L <kbtrans@qwest.net> wrote:
> > || Well the study says dieting doesn't work for MOST people.
> > ||
> > || I think we already knew that, but it's nice that
> > || researchers were kept busy on this project :-)
> > ||
> > || cheers
> > ||
> > ||
> > || Paul
> >
> > Makes one wonder how much that caused the taxpayers.
>
> Or a private foundation that funds research ...

Perhaps they should research on what types of people have better willpower
than others because the biggest part of any diet is willpower.

<<Right. That's because a diet is a temporary thing in the eyes of most
people. To keep weight off after losing it, you need to change your
entire approach to food, eating, and your lifestyle. >>

i have had people say to me, "you look great & have lost weight! how did
yo do it?"
my answer: i was diagnosed as diabetic

then i'll hear, "...well, i'm diabetic too! i gained more weight!"

i understand that injected insulin can increase weight gain.however,
when i am looking at 315 lb women...trust me...its not the insulin thats
causing weight gain.

duh. they don't get it. they cover their carbs with more shots. they've
told me this is how i know. their weight gain has often been the result
of laziness to the point of being to fat to walk & putting themselves in
a wheelchair

when one becomes diabetic everything thing changes. if we dont change
with it we will be looking at some pretty horrible results

my sister went blind, had dialysis & eventually died from complications
of diabetes.

i think people are blaise (sp) because they think it wont happen to
them.

they ask...how do you stick to a diet & i tell them the truth: FEAR

Oh No, Atkins gets his teeth kicked in again. The low-carbers too,
another way to play around with the overconsumption game, now we will
need a new alt.support. diet group, let's call it
alt.support.diet.thetruthhurtsrealbadwhatgameislef ttoplaynow
soIcanstilltrytoloseweightandeatwhateverIwant

On 12 Apr 2007 01:19:30 -0700, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> morris wrote:
>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...p?newsid=67422
>>
>> We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good.
>> Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future
>> weight gain."
>> ************************************************** *****************
>> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
>> 10 Apr 2007
>>
>> US scientists conducting a comprehensive review of dieting research
>> have concluded that dieting does not work.
>>
>> The study is published in the April edition of American Psychologist,
>> the journal of the American Psychological Association.
>>
>> Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA),
>> reviewed 31 long-term studies lasting between 2 to 5 years.
>>
>> UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study,
>> Traci Mann said:
>>
>> "You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number
>> of diets, but then the weight comes back."
>>
>> "We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus
>> more," she added.
>>
>> The researchers found a very small minority of study participants
>> managed to sustain weight loss, while the majority put all the weight
>> back on, and more in the longer term.
>>
>> "Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the
>> majority of people," said Dr Mann.
>>
>> Dr Mann and colleagues sought to determine the long term effects of
>> dieting and address the question "Would they have been better off to
>> not go on a diet at all?".
>>
>> So they analyzed every study they could find that followed people on
>> diets for 2 to 5 years. Studies that take less than 2 years are "too
>> short to show whether dieters have regained the weight they lost,"
>> they said.
>>
>> They discovered that it would have been better for most of them if
>> they had not gone on a diet at all.
>>
>> "Their weight would be pretty much the same, and their bodies would
>> not suffer the wear and tear from losing weight and gaining it all
>> back," explained Dr Mann.
>>
>> Their findings show that:
>>
>> -- People on diets typically lose 5 to 10 per cent of their weight in
>> the first 6 months.
>> -- But 33 to 66 per cent regain more than what they lose within 4 to 5
>> years.
>>
>> Dr Mann and colleagues suspect the real situation is actually even
>> worse; the figures do not really reflect reality, making diet studies
>> look better than they are. They say there are a number of reasons for
>> this:
>>
>> -- Many participants phone or mail their results in themselves,
>> without an impartial assessor.
>> -- A lot of studies have a below 50 per cent follow up rate; and the
>> people who put on a lot of weight are less likely to stay in touch.
>>
>> UCLA graduate student of psychology and co-author of the study, Janet
>> Tomiyama said that "Several studies indicate that dieting is actually
>> a consistent predictor of future weight gain."
>>
>> One study in particular that they looked at found that men and women
>> who took part in a weight reduction programme gained significantly
>> more weight than those who did not over the same period of time.
>>
>> Tomiyama mentioned another study, this time looking at links between
>> lifestyle and weight in 19,000 healthy older men over four years. This
>> study found that, "One of the best predictors of weight gain over the
>> four years was having lost weight on a diet at some point during the
>> years before the study started," she said.
>>
>> Also, in many studies with control groups, the people in the control
>> group very often were better off than the participants who dieted.
>>
>> Dr Mann suggests that eating in moderation and exercise do make a
>> difference. Although they were not looking at exercise in particular,
>> Dr Mann said that:
>>
>> "Exercise may well be the key factor leading to sustained weight loss.
>> Studies consistently find that people who reported the most exercise
>> also had the most weight loss."
>>
>> One study following obese patients discovered that:
>>
>> -- Among those followed for under 2 years, 23 per cent of patients had
>> regained their weight loss.
>> -- Among those followed for more than 2 years, 83 per cent had
>> regained their weight loss.
>>
>> Another study found that 50 per cent of dieters weighed 11 pounds (5
>> kilos) more than their starting weight 5 years after their diet.
>>
>> Among the health hazards of repeated weight loss and regain are
>> cardiovascular disease, stroke, diabetes and altered immune function,
>> said Dr Mann and colleagues.
>>
>> They said more research is needed on the effects of weight loss and
>> regain on health, and say scientists do not fully understand the
>> underlying factors involved in this complex relationship.
>>
>> Dr Mann quoted her mother, who herself has tried to diet many times,
>> without success. Dr Mann's mother said her daughter's findings were
>> "obvious".
>>
>> Although this study reviewed 31 long term dieting projects, they did
>> not look into specific diets.
>>
>> The researchers are of the opinion that weight loss programmes are not
>> good value for money in the treatment of obesity.
>>
>> "The benefits of dieting are too small and the potential harm is too
>> large for dieting to be recommended as a safe, effective treatment for
>> obesity," said Dr Mann.
>>
>> Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled,
>> from 15 to 31 per cent of the population.
>
> Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> Suggested reading:
>
> http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.h...d=16090#t16090
>
> May GOD bless you.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
>
> Andrew <><

brother Mu wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...58ad68dce88a8?
>
> Oh No, Atkins gets his teeth kicked in again. The low-carbers too,
> another way to play around with the overconsumption game, now we will
> need a new alt.support. diet group, let's call it
> alt.support.diet.thetruthhurtsrealbadwhatgameislef ttoplaynow
> soIcanstilltrytoloseweightandeatwhateverIwant

Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize
their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in
their hearts about hunger:

(1) Hunger is like a red warning indicator light.

(2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is like a warning
buzzer.

(3) Hunger means it is time to eat because energy levels are low.

Just as a person with a buzzing red low fuel warning light going off
in his/her car is immediately compelled to focus on refueling until
this light goes out, a person who believes in his/her heart that
hunger is like such a light in his/her car will be irresistibly
compelled to immediately focus on eating until s/he stops being hungry
and will imagine physical weakness/fatigue while hungry.

On the other hand, here is the truth about hunger:

(1) Hunger is a reassuring green light.

(2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is a reassuring
sound like the sounds of a throaty large displacement engine.

(3) Hunger means "all systems go" and "two thumbs up."

Just as a shuttle astronaut is emboldened to ignite rocket engines
when reassured by green "all systems go" lights, a person who knows in
his heart that hunger means the same thing feels both bolder and
stronger when hungry.

Bolder and stronger people do not need support groups.

May GOD continue to bless you making you hungrier than you have ever
been in you life.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
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On 12 Apr 2007 16:58:46 -0700, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> brother Mu wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...58ad68dce88a8?
>>
>> Oh No, Atkins gets his teeth kicked in again. The low-carbers too,
>> another way to play around with the overconsumption game, now we will
>> need a new alt.support. diet group, let's call it
>> alt.support.diet.thetruthhurtsrealbadwhatgameislef ttoplaynow
>> soIcanstilltrytoloseweightandeatwhateverIwant
>
> Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize
> their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in
> their hearts about hunger:
>
> (1) Hunger is like a red warning indicator light.
>
> (2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is like a warning
> buzzer.
>
> (3) Hunger means it is time to eat because energy levels are low.
>
> Just as a person with a buzzing red low fuel warning light going off
> in his/her car is immediately compelled to focus on refueling until
> this light goes out, a person who believes in his/her heart that
> hunger is like such a light in his/her car will be irresistibly
> compelled to immediately focus on eating until s/he stops being hungry
> and will imagine physical weakness/fatigue while hungry.
>
> On the other hand, here is the truth about hunger:
>
> (1) Hunger is a reassuring green light.
>
> (2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is a reassuring
> sound like the sounds of a throaty large displacement engine.
>
> (3) Hunger means "all systems go" and "two thumbs up."
>
> Just as a shuttle astronaut is emboldened to ignite rocket engines
> when reassured by green "all systems go" lights, a person who knows in
> his heart that hunger means the same thing feels both bolder and
> stronger when hungry.
>
> Bolder and stronger people do not need support groups.
>
> May GOD continue to bless you making you hungrier than you have ever
> been in you life.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
>
> Andrew <><

That's good stuff there, Chung.

brother Mu wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > brother Mu wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...58ad68dce88a8?
> >>
> >> Oh No, Atkins gets his teeth kicked in again. The low-carbers too,
> >> another way to play around with the overconsumption game, now we will
> >> need a new alt.support. diet group, let's call it
> >> alt.support.diet.thetruthhurtsrealbadwhatgameislef ttoplaynow
> >> soIcanstilltrytoloseweightandeatwhateverIwant
> >
> > Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize
> > their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in
> > their hearts about hunger:
> >
> > (1) Hunger is like a red warning indicator light.
> >
> > (2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is like a warning
> > buzzer.
> >
> > (3) Hunger means it is time to eat because energy levels are low.
> >
> > Just as a person with a buzzing red low fuel warning light going off
> > in his/her car is immediately compelled to focus on refueling until
> > this light goes out, a person who believes in his/her heart that
> > hunger is like such a light in his/her car will be irresistibly
> > compelled to immediately focus on eating until s/he stops being hungry
> > and will imagine physical weakness/fatigue while hungry.
> >
> > On the other hand, here is the truth about hunger:
> >
> > (1) Hunger is a reassuring green light.
> >
> > (2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is a reassuring
> > sound like the sounds of a throaty large displacement engine.
> >
> > (3) Hunger means "all systems go" and "two thumbs up."
> >
> > Just as a shuttle astronaut is emboldened to ignite rocket engines
> > when reassured by green "all systems go" lights, a person who knows in
> > his heart that hunger means the same thing feels both bolder and
> > stronger when hungry.
> >
> > Bolder and stronger people do not need support groups.
> >
> > May GOD continue to bless you making you hungrier than you have ever
> > been in you life.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
> >
> > Andrew <><
>
> That's good stuff there, Chung.

All praise and glory redirected to GOD so that we will both be blessed
thereby making us even hungrier.

It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.

May HE continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely
more, dear brother Mu whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
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http://EmoryCardiology.com

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On Apr 12, 4:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
>
> Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:

2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke.

On Apr 12, 7:58 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
> Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize
> their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in
> their hearts about hunger

(snip)

2PD of Drano (tm)

On Apr 12, 8:39 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> All praise and glory redirected to GOD so that we will both be blessed
> thereby making us even hungrier.

2PD of Liquid Plumr.

Alan,

What a cool summary, and extrememly well put! Please post that in the
"other place as well", in the thread on this started by cafa...

Morris


On Apr 12, 6:37 am, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Apr 2007 00:55:32 -0700, "morris"
>
> <morrisol...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
>
> It's fascinating how a word can change in meaning. A diet
> used to be just the description of what you eat. You can see
> the gradual change in the progression of Webster's
> definitions:http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...search&va=diet
>
> a : food and drink regularly provided or consumed
> b : habitual nourishment
> c : the kind and amount of food prescribed for a person or
> animal for a special reason
> d : a regimen of eating and drinking sparingly so as to
> reduce one's weight <going on a diet>
>
> Dieting as described in "a" or "b", to regularly or
> habitually consume food and drink, obviously does work or
> we'd all starve to death. So in that sense the sensational
> headline is wrong. But slowly we've come to think of dieting
> as definition "d" and eating "sparingly" doesn't work
> because it is unnatural for the human animal to do that as a
> way of life forever.
>
> I think "way of eating" is a better term for how I intend to
> eat for the rest of my life, not just to achieve a
> short-term goal. I think I first saw it used by Bernstein in
> his book on diabetes. I slowly changed my way of eating
> continuously since diagnosis; first to lose weight, then to
> minimise BG spikes, then to ensure that I was getting the
> best nutrition possible without gaining back the weight or
> jeopardising blood glucose control.
>
> But to be sustainable, the way of eating has to not only
> satisfy nutritional needs but our other social and
> psychological needs: to be able to eat in company
> comfortably; to be able to munch absently on something while
> we think; to have "comfort food" occasionally without guilt.
> The only way to achieve that is to train oneself over time
> to the point where we like what is appropriate for our needs
> and no longer crave what is inappropriate. That does not
> happen overnight and may never happen for some - but, in my
> opinion, it is the only way to change a way of eating
> permanently.
>
> I'm only part of the way there myself. But it's amazing what
> I learnt to like, and dislike, once I accepted that my life
> does depend on it. Just as an example, I now look on
> something like mud-cake in the same way that someone with a
> sea-food allergy would look on lobster. Not that I think
> it's bad food - just bad for me. So I no longer want it and
> I don't feel deprived at all. As Jennifer puts it - it's not
> that I can't have it, it's that I don't want it. Mind
> games? Maybe; but possibly life-saving mind-games if you can
> learn to play them over time.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Athens and The Adriatic

On 13 Apr 2007 00:50:57 -0700, "morris"
<morrisolder@comcast.net> wrote:

>Alan,
>
>What a cool summary, and extrememly well put! Please post that in the
>"other place as well", in the thread on this started by cafa...
>
>Morris

Thanks Morris, will do.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic

On Apr 12, 11:13 pm, "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 4:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
>
> 2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke.

Two pounds of Pinot Noir and a caper or olive. It's a lifestyle--
Hiccup

Diva

In alt.support.diabetes on 13 Apr 2007 09:51:11 -0700 in Msg.#
<1176483071.122783.177940@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>, "Diva"
<c.frilegh@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On Apr 12, 11:13 pm, "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 12, 4:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
> >
> > 2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke.
>
> Two pounds of Pinot Noir and a caper or olive. It's a lifestyle--
> Hiccup

Oh, no, what a dilemma. Someone I read in another NG, posting here to someone
replying to a troll in massive inappropriate cross-post! What to do, what to do,
....

--
DonnaB

"My God -- Life! Who can understand even one little minute of it." - Kurt
Vonnegut, Jr. [Nov 11, 1922-Apr 11, 2007], Jonah, CAT'S CRADLE

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:48:26 +1000 in Msg.#
<131t6p22s7qpg1f@news.supernews.com>, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com>
wrote:

> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:67ss13h3arobtehls506fad9sgbufe0lkl@4ax.com...
>
> Perhaps they should research on what types of people have better willpower
> than others because the biggest part of any diet is willpower.

I would have to disagree with that. In general, I think considering willpower a
major factor in just about anything is a serious oversimplification of things
that are really fairly complicated. A person could be Mr. or Miz Willpower 2007
& mastering the ability to eat the way they needed to could still be elusive, a
process, and something a long time coming.

--
DonnaB

"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds
himself no wiser than before ... He is full of murderous resentment of people
who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." - Kurt
Vonnegut, Jr. [Nov 11, 1922-Apr 11, 2007]

neighbor DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
> neighbor "Diva" <c.frilegh@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...58ad68dce88a8?
> > >
> > > > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
> > >
> > > 2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke.
> >
> > Two pounds of Pinot Noir and a caper or olive. It's a lifestyle--
> > Hiccup
>
> Oh, no, what a dilemma. Someone I read in another NG, posting here to someone
> replying to a troll in massive inappropriate cross-post! What to do, what to do,

Rethink your unwise choice to engage in name-calling.

"Name-calling is lying." -- Holy Spirit

Amen.

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the
sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all
liars-their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is
the second death." -- GOD (Revelation 21:8)

Amen.

The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are not perfect though with HIS
help, we have stopped sinning.

"With man this is impossible but with GOD all things are possible." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

Amen.

More importantly, we are forgiven:

http://InterviewWithGOD.com/Forgiven

Marana tha

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
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http://EmoryCardiology.com

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neighbors:
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> Rethink your unwise choice to engage in name-calling.
>
> "Name-calling is lying when you don;t like it." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen.
>
> "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the
> sexually immoral, those who practice Christian magic, the idolaters and
> all
> liars-their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is
> the second death." -- GOD (Revelation 21:8)
>
> Amen.

>When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the
> end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who
>bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.
>But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who
>broke the
>contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to
marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must
>treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes
another wife,
>he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her
>as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may
>leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

>Amen

convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize
> >their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >their hearts about hunger:
>
> >(1) Hunger is like a red warning indicator light.
>
> And you think this is what people believe based on what
> evidence/studies?
>
> >(2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is like a warning
> >buzzer.
>
> And you think this is what people believe based on what
> evidence/studies?
>
> >(3) Hunger means it is time to eat because energy levels are low.
>
> And you think this is what people believe based on what
> evidence/studies?

The research as described on-line as can be found at the following
link:

http://abchung.livejournal.com

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
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