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  1. #1
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Shelf life of insulin

    What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

  2. #2
    outsider Guest

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    On 7/23/2010 8:05 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    > What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    > diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    > know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    > throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    > probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    > It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    > of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    > play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    > to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    > with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.


    Not speaking for anyone else nor am I giving advice, but I use
    insulin till it is gone and have never had a problem with shelf
    life of the stuff. Sometimes it takes over two months to use up
    a vial.

    Like you, I keep it refrigerated.

    --
    It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

  3. #3
    [email protected] Guest

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    On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:11:12 -0500, outsider
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 7/23/2010 8:05 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    >> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    >> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    >> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    >> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    >> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    >> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    >> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    >> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    >> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >
    >Not speaking for anyone else nor am I giving advice, but I use
    >insulin till it is gone and have never had a problem with shelf
    >life of the stuff. Sometimes it takes over two months to use up
    >a vial.
    >
    >Like you, I keep it refrigerated.


    Same here. We had a diabetic cat for years and started out replacing
    insulin every thirty days, but eventually learned through a vet tech
    friend that it's fine unless it develops sediment or becomes cloudy.
    Therafter, three months was not unusual.

  4. #4
    Julie Bove Guest

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    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I
    > have a
    > diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day.
    > I
    > know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've
    > been
    > throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as
    > you
    > probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for
    > a cat.
    > It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the
    > life
    > of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't
    > want to
    > play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's
    > a way
    > to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes
    > wrong
    > with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.


    Once it has been opened, 30 days. You should not keep the open bottle/pen
    in the fridge.

    My cat takes thyroid meds that can only be kept for 30 days at a time. Any
    longer and it becomes unstable. There is an oil base that will keep for 90
    days but I've been told cats don't like it. I know mine doesn't. She will
    willingly take the 30 day stuff. It is sent to me from a compounding
    pharmacy for almost $40 a bottle.

    Twice we have left the bottle out on the counter overnight. We gave her the
    medicine anyway because we had no other. She got sick. Throwing up is one
    of the first symptoms. Of course we did order more medicine but we didn't
    get it for a day or two or longer.

    I take Lantus myself but go through it like water.



  5. #5
    Metspitzer Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:54:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .
    >> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I
    >> have a
    >> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day.
    >> I
    >> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've
    >> been
    >> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as
    >> you
    >> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for
    >> a cat.
    >> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the
    >> life
    >> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't
    >> want to
    >> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's
    >> a way
    >> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes
    >> wrong
    >> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >
    >Once it has been opened, 30 days. You should not keep the open bottle/pen
    >in the fridge.
    >

    I just started taking insulin a little over a month ago. At the end
    of a month, it looked like I almost had half of the bottle left. I
    was concerned that I was not taking the proper dose. I called the
    pharmacist and asked her. She confirmed that I was taking the proper
    amount, but I should discard the rest after 30 days.

    I asked my endocrinologist about discarding a half a bottle of meds
    and she said it was unnecessary.

    Are you suggesting that you should remove the bottle from the fridge
    and discard it or keep using it?

    It is very easy to measure how much a patient uses in 30 days. Why
    would they put twice the meds you need in the vials to throw away?

    I just ordered my next batch of insulin from my mail order pharmacy.
    They send 3 bottles at a time.

  6. #6
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Metspitzer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:54:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] ..
    >>> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but
    >>> I
    >>> have a
    >>> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a
    >>> day.
    >>> I
    >>> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've
    >>> been
    >>> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as
    >>> you
    >>> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its
    >>> for
    >>> a cat.
    >>> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend
    >>> the
    >>> life
    >>> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't
    >>> want to
    >>> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if
    >>> there's
    >>> a way
    >>> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that
    >>> goes
    >>> wrong
    >>> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >>
    >>Once it has been opened, 30 days. You should not keep the open bottle/pen
    >>in the fridge.
    >>

    > I just started taking insulin a little over a month ago. At the end
    > of a month, it looked like I almost had half of the bottle left. I
    > was concerned that I was not taking the proper dose. I called the
    > pharmacist and asked her. She confirmed that I was taking the proper
    > amount, but I should discard the rest after 30 days.
    >
    > I asked my endocrinologist about discarding a half a bottle of meds
    > and she said it was unnecessary.
    >
    > Are you suggesting that you should remove the bottle from the fridge
    > and discard it or keep using it?
    >
    > It is very easy to measure how much a patient uses in 30 days. Why
    > would they put twice the meds you need in the vials to throw away?
    >
    > I just ordered my next batch of insulin from my mail order pharmacy.
    > They send 3 bottles at a time.


    I am unsure of what you are asking. The prescribing information that comes
    with the Lantus says to discard after 30 days once the pen (in my case) is
    opened. And not to store an opened pen in the fridge. I have a plastic
    pencil box that I keep my opened pen, needles, etc. in.



  7. #7
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    >diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    >know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    >throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    >probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    >It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    >of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    >play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    >to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    >with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.


    The lantus is in a bottle and is given by hypodermic needle. So it has the
    little rubber top that you stick the needle through. That's why I wonder how
    "open" is it really. And this stuff is costing me about $100 a month, and that's
    with a pet discount that Walgreen's gives. So I'm throwing easily $50 away a
    month. I've always been dubious about pharmaceutical companies. Thet're all
    about making money. So I feel that maybe this 30 day limit on it is only so they
    can keep selling it to you.

  8. #8
    Metspitzer Guest

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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:12:44 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    >>diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    >>know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    >>throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    >>probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    >>It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    >>of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    >>play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    >>to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    >>with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >
    >The lantus is in a bottle and is given by hypodermic needle. So it has the
    >little rubber top that you stick the needle through. That's why I wonder how
    >"open" is it really. And this stuff is costing me about $100 a month, and that's
    >with a pet discount that Walgreen's gives. So I'm throwing easily $50 away a
    >month. I've always been dubious about pharmaceutical companies. Thet're all
    >about making money. So I feel that maybe this 30 day limit on it is only so they
    >can keep selling it to you.


    Throwing away a half of bottle is dumb. They should sell half the
    amount.

  9. #9
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:23:29 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:11:12 -0500, outsider
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On 7/23/2010 8:05 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    >>> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    >>> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    >>> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    >>> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    >>> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    >>> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    >>> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    >>> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    >>> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >>
    >>Not speaking for anyone else nor am I giving advice, but I use
    >>insulin till it is gone and have never had a problem with shelf
    >>life of the stuff. Sometimes it takes over two months to use up
    >>a vial.
    >>
    >>Like you, I keep it refrigerated.

    >
    >Same here. We had a diabetic cat for years and started out replacing
    >insulin every thirty days, but eventually learned through a vet tech
    >friend that it's fine unless it develops sediment or becomes cloudy.
    >Therafter, three months was not unusual.


    Anecdotally people also do this, with long acting it seems to slow
    down eventually but may take months if properly stored before there's
    any noticeable change. I guess this may not be so true if it's been in
    the back of a delivery truck in midsummer for a few days so they play
    safe.

  10. #10
    Kurt Guest

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    On Jul 26, 3:21*pm, Trinkwasser <s...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

    > Anecdotally people also do this, with long acting it seems to slow
    > down eventually but may take months if properly stored before there's
    > any noticeable change. I guess this may not be so true if it's been in
    > the back of a delivery truck in midsummer for a few days so they play
    > safe.


    I guess you commenting on insulin, something you don't use, is not as
    weird as your many posts in the "menopause" thread.

    Kurt

  11. #11
    [email protected] Guest

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    On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    >diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    >know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    >throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    >probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    >It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    >of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    >play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    >to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    >with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.



    So what's the bottom line as I get mixed feelings here? Am I good for more than
    a month with this insulin or do I throw it out every 30 days and spend another
    hundred dollars monthly. I'll do what I have to do. This kitty is my best
    friend. I'm just wondering if half a bottle of insulin is being wasted monthly.
    Thanks.

  12. #12
    Kurt Guest

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    On Jul 26, 4:54*pm, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
    > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
    > >What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    > >diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    > >know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I'vebeen
    > >throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And asyou
    > >probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    > >It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    > >of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    > >play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    > >to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    > >with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >
    > So what's the bottom line as I get mixed feelings here? Am I good for more than
    > a month with this insulin or do I throw it out every 30 days and spend another
    > hundred dollars monthly. I'll do what I have to do. This kitty is my best
    > friend. I'm just wondering if half a bottle of insulin is being wasted monthly.
    > Thanks.


    I use Lantus and since it's a pretty low dose I barely make a dent in
    the amount I get from the pharmacy. Even though money is not an issue
    I do sometimes use mine past the 28 days recommended by Aventis. I
    contacted them once to ask them about the 28 day thing and they told
    me that they have to officially stand by that recommendation. I
    explained that I found no diminishment when I use it past that point
    and all they would say is that it didn't surprise them. At that point
    I requested that they look into making smaller vials/pen amounts so
    that if one were on a low dose they wouldn't end up throwing most of
    it away. They said that I wasn't the only one who had suggested it and
    they would add my request to the list.

    Because of potential lawsuits drug companies have some rigid rules
    they must adhere to. There is a reason why the "use only for 28 day"
    advisement is there. It is up to each one of us to decide if we want
    to heed that, or not. It's like the syringe thing - they say to
    discard after each use. I don't. That's my choice and if there is a
    problem because of it then I suffer the consequences. So far, there
    hasn't been. But I am not a doctor or a pharmacist and I don't give
    medical advice even if it is just my opinion, especially when dealing
    with drugs, You might want to discuss your dilemma with your vet and
    get their professional opinion on using the Lantus past the 28 days.

    Whatever you decide, best to you and kitty.

    Kurt

  13. #13
    outsider Guest

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    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I
    >>have a
    >>diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day.
    >>I
    >>know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've
    >>been
    >>throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as
    >>you
    >>probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for
    >>a cat.
    >>It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the
    >>life
    >>of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't
    >>want to
    >>play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's
    >>a way
    >>to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes
    >>wrong
    >>with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >
    >
    > So what's the bottom line as I get mixed feelings here? Am I good for more
    > than
    > a month with this insulin or do I throw it out every 30 days and spend
    > another
    > hundred dollars monthly. I'll do what I have to do. This kitty is my best
    > friend. I'm just wondering if half a bottle of insulin is being wasted
    > monthly.
    > Thanks.


    I gave you my take on the matter. Probably nobody will take a firm stand on
    this
    topic because they're all gunshy of one another's criticism.

    If you insist on "following the rules" you might do a comparative
    price/wastage
    check using insulin pens instead of the vials. You'd never have to throw
    away
    a pen that has insulin still in it because the quantity is smaller and
    you'll use it
    up within a month of opening it. I expect that the comparative savings
    probably
    outweighs the higher initial cost.

    I just looked at their web page and there's a 25% discount on your first
    prescription
    for the pens. Print out the coupon and get a new prescription for the pens.
    Don't
    forget to buy the needles, they come separately. Depending on the state you
    might
    not need a separate script for the sharps.



  14. #14
    Tiger Lily Guest

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    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    >> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    >> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    >> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    >> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    >> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    >> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    >> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    >> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    >> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >
    >
    > So what's the bottom line as I get mixed feelings here? Am I good for more than
    > a month with this insulin or do I throw it out every 30 days and spend another
    > hundred dollars monthly. I'll do what I have to do. This kitty is my best
    > friend. I'm just wondering if half a bottle of insulin is being wasted monthly.
    > Thanks.


    most insulin's today refer to the shelf life outside of the fridge

    way back when............ we were told to keep the insulin in the fridge
    at all times.......... i used 2 units a day of one insulin, at 1,000
    units a vial, that would be 500 days? (no, you don't get that many days
    out of it due to air shots etc)

    personally, if i stored my insulin inside the fridge, i wouldn't worry

    now, there IS the Solo-star pen, and that uses 300 unit cartridges (but
    the pen is a b*tch to use, i have heard)

    as for my room temp insulin..............i don't even think about how
    old it is, not ever

    good luck

    bottom line............. does the cat's bg level's rise when you use the
    insulin past it's 'due date'???

    kate
    type 1 Aug 89, complication free

  15. #15
    Kurt Guest

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    On Jul 26, 9:31*pm, Tiger Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
    > rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
    > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:

    >
    > >> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    > >> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    > >> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    > >> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    > >> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    > >> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    > >> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don'twant to
    > >> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    > >> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    > >> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.

    >
    > > So what's the bottom line as I get mixed feelings here? Am I good for more than
    > > a month with this insulin or do I throw it out every 30 days and spend another
    > > hundred dollars monthly. I'll do what I have to do. This kitty is my best
    > > friend. I'm just wondering if half a bottle of insulin is being wasted monthly.
    > > Thanks.

    >
    > most insulin's today refer to the shelf life outside of the fridge
    >
    > way back when............ we were told to keep the insulin in the fridge
    > at all times.......... i used 2 units a day of one insulin, at 1,000
    > units a vial, that would be 500 days? (no, you don't get that many days
    > out of it due to air shots etc)
    >
    > personally, if i stored my insulin inside the fridge, i wouldn't worry
    >
    > now, there IS the Solo-star pen, and that uses 300 unit cartridges (but
    > the pen is a b*tch to use, i have heard)


    I use a Solostar and have never had any problems with it. OMMV.

    Kurt

  16. #16
    M@ęk« Guest

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    On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Kurt
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Jul 26, 3:21*pm, Trinkwasser <s...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >> Anecdotally people also do this, with long acting it seems to slow
    >> down eventually but may take months if properly stored before there's
    >> any noticeable change. I guess this may not be so true if it's been in
    >> the back of a delivery truck in midsummer for a few days so they play
    >> safe.

    >
    >I guess you commenting on insulin, something you don't use, is not as
    >weird as your many posts in the "menopause" thread.
    >
    >Kurt



    kinda like you not being a type 2, but always telling type 2s how
    wrong they are in their own care.


  17. #17
    Kurt Guest

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    On Jul 28, 1:10*pm, Tiger Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
    > Kurt wrote:
    > > On Jul 26, 9:31 pm, Tiger Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
    > >> rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
    > >>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
    > >>>> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    > >>>> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    > >>>> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    > >>>> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    > >>>> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    > >>>> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    > >>>> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    > >>>> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    > >>>> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it thatgoes wrong
    > >>>> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.
    > >>> So what's the bottom line as I get mixed feelings here? Am I good formore than
    > >>> a month with this insulin or do I throw it out every 30 days and spend another
    > >>> hundred dollars monthly. I'll do what I have to do. This kitty is my best
    > >>> friend. I'm just wondering if half a bottle of insulin is being wasted monthly.
    > >>> Thanks.
    > >> most insulin's today refer to the shelf life outside of the fridge

    >
    > >> way back when............ we were told to keep the insulin in the fridge
    > >> at all times.......... i used 2 units a day of one insulin, at 1,000
    > >> units a vial, that would be 500 days? (no, you don't get that many days
    > >> out of it due to air shots etc)

    >
    > >> personally, if i stored my insulin inside the fridge, i wouldn't worry

    >
    > >> now, there IS the Solo-star pen, and that uses 300 unit cartridges (but
    > >> the pen is a b*tch to use, i have heard)

    >
    > > I use a Solostar and have never had any problems with it. OMMV.

    >
    > > Kurt

    >
    > that is good news, Kurt
    > i may even try it
    >
    > how do you find Apidra versus Humalog?


    I've never tried Apidra because I have such good success with Humalog.
    I seem to remember you switched because Humalog wasn't working for
    you. Do you find you have better control now with Apidra? Is the onset
    peak and duration similar to Humalog?

    Kurt

  18. #18
    Freckles Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin



    --
    "M@ęk«" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Kurt
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Jul 26, 3:21 pm, Trinkwasser <s...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Anecdotally people also do this, with long acting it seems to slow
    >>> down eventually but may take months if properly stored before there's
    >>> any noticeable change. I guess this may not be so true if it's been in
    >>> the back of a delivery truck in midsummer for a few days so they play
    >>> safe.

    >>
    >>I guess you commenting on insulin, something you don't use, is not as
    >>weird as your many posts in the "menopause" thread.
    >>
    >>Kurt

    >
    >
    > kinda like you not being a type 2, but always telling type 2s how
    > wrong they are in their own care.


    -----------------------------------------------------
    Sort of like Dr. Bernstein?

    Freckles
    -----------------------------------------------------



  19. #19
    M@ęk« Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:34:16 -0500, "Freckles" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >-----------------------------------------------------
    >Sort of like Dr. Bernstein?
    >
    >Freckles
    >-----------------------------------------------------
    >


    nope, Bernstein had the credentials kurt lacks.

    Of course Berstein never lied about "being" a type 2 either.


  20. #20
    Freckles Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin



    --
    --
    Freckles

    Age 72
    Type II
    Diagnosed 2005

    Portion Control
    Exercise

    500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily

    Nothing is more fatal to Health, than an over Care of it.
    ~Benjamin Franklin
    "M@ęk«" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:34:16 -0500, "Freckles" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>-----------------------------------------------------
    >>Sort of like Dr. Bernstein?
    >>
    >>Freckles
    >>-----------------------------------------------------
    >>

    >
    > nope, Bernstein had the credentials kurt lacks.
    >
    > Of course Berstein never lied about "being" a type 2 either.


    ---------------------------------------------------------
    And of course you've seen Bernstein's credentials, and you have heard and
    read ever word Bernstein has ever spoken or written in his entire life! No?
    Then how do you know he has never lied about being a type 2 or any thing
    else? ANSWER: You couldn't and don't.

    Besides, you really do seem to have a lot of trouble understanding English.
    What part of "sort of" don't you understand?

    Freckles
    ----------------------------------------------------------

    >




  21. #21
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:04:54 -0500, "M@ęk«" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Kurt
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Jul 26, 3:21*pm, Trinkwasser <s...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Anecdotally people also do this, with long acting it seems to slow
    >>> down eventually but may take months if properly stored before there's
    >>> any noticeable change. I guess this may not be so true if it's been in
    >>> the back of a delivery truck in midsummer for a few days so they play
    >>> safe.

    >>
    >>I guess you commenting on insulin, something you don't use, is not as
    >>weird as your many posts in the "menopause" thread.
    >>
    >>Kurt

    >
    >
    >kinda like you not being a type 2, but always telling type 2s how
    >wrong they are in their own care.


    Probably the word "anecdotally" had too many syllables

    But of course reporting on the conversations of other Type 1s in
    places where they still mention diabetes occasionally is off topic
    here

  22. #22
    Cheri Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    >
    > --
    > --
    > Freckles
    >
    > Age 72
    > Type II
    > Diagnosed 2005
    >
    > Portion Control
    > Exercise
    >
    > 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    > 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily


    If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not
    controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is anything
    wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it clear...since last
    week you were going on about the low carbers in the group who are taking no
    meds needing to learn portion control so they can eat more carbs. I don't
    get it.

    Cheri


  23. #23
    Freckles Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> --
    >> Freckles
    >>
    >> Age 72
    >> Type II
    >> Diagnosed 2005
    >>
    >> Portion Control
    >> Exercise
    >>
    >> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    >> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily

    >
    > If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not
    > controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is
    > anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    > clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in the
    > group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so they can
    > eat more carbs. I don't get it.
    >
    > Cheri

    -----------------------------------------

    I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their diabetes. I
    suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I stated any such a
    thing.

    Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with portion
    control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the medicines I am
    taking.

    I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even thought
    it.

    Freckles
    ------------------------------------------



  24. #24
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> --
    >> Freckles
    >>
    >> Age 72
    >> Type II
    >> Diagnosed 2005
    >>
    >> Portion Control
    >> Exercise
    >>
    >> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    >> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily

    >
    > If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not
    > controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is
    > anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    > clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in the
    > group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so they can
    > eat more carbs. I don't get it.


    I take meds but they don't allow me to eat more carbs!



  25. #25
    Cheri Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    "Freckles" <fr[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ...
    >
    > "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> --
    >>> Freckles
    >>>
    >>> Age 72
    >>> Type II
    >>> Diagnosed 2005
    >>>
    >>> Portion Control
    >>> Exercise
    >>>
    >>> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    >>> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily

    >>
    >> If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not
    >> controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is
    >> anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    >> clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in the
    >> group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so they can
    >> eat more carbs. I don't get it.
    >>
    >> Cheri

    > -----------------------------------------
    >
    > I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    > carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their diabetes.
    > I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I stated any such
    > a thing.
    >
    > Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    > portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    > medicines I am taking.
    >
    > I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    > thought it.
    >
    > Freckles
    > ------------------------------------------


    You know that's not true. Check Google for July 4th or there about. LOL

    Cheri


  26. #26
    Cheri Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] ...
    >>>
    >>> "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Freckles
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Age 72
    >>>>> Type II
    >>>>> Diagnosed 2005
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Portion Control
    >>>>> Exercise
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    >>>>> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily
    >>>>
    >>>> If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are
    >>>> not controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is
    >>>> anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    >>>> clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in the
    >>>> group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so they
    >>>> can eat more carbs. I don't get it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Cheri
    >>> -----------------------------------------
    >>>
    >>> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    >>> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their
    >>> diabetes. I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I
    >>> stated any such a thing.
    >>>
    >>> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >>> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >>> medicines I am taking.
    >>>
    >>> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >>> thought it.
    >>>
    >>> Freckles
    >>> ------------------------------------------

    >>
    >> You know that's not true. Check Google for July 4th or there about. LOL
    >>
    >> Cheri

    >
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > Even though I knew you were wrong, I checked all of my posts for July 3. 4
    > and 5.
    >
    > In none of those post, and in no posts that I have ever posted any where,
    > did I say I was not on medicines.
    >
    > In my post for July 4, 2010 1:51 PM I wrote: *I am not on insulin...* and
    > I'm not. However, I did not write that I wasn't taking any medicines.
    >
    > In my posts for July 4, 2010 9:32 PM I wrote: ...*I take meds, but no
    > insulin*...
    >
    > Freckles
    > ----------------------------------------------

    Nice try at deflection, but nowhere did I say that you ever said you weren't
    taking meds, my point is, you are not controlling with portion size and
    excercise, yet you say that if people would portion control and excercise
    they could eat more carbs and have a wider variety of foods but that they
    don't want to be deprived or some such nonsense, when the actual fact is,
    they don't want to take meds unless they have to. There is nothing wrong
    with meds, so don't go there either. I just would rather not take them if I
    don't have to, and right now...I don't have to. That could change any time.

    Cheri


  27. #27
    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin



    "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ...
    >
    > "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message If you're taking 1000mg
    >> of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not controlling with
    >> *portion control* and excercise, not that there is anything wrong with
    >> taking meds at all, just wanted to make it clear...since last week you
    >> were going on about the low carbers in the group who are taking no meds
    >> needing to learn portion control so they can eat more carbs. I don't get
    >> it.
    >>
    >> Cheri

    > -----------------------------------------
    >
    > I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    > carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their diabetes.
    > I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I stated any such
    > a thing.
    >
    > Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    > portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    > medicines I am taking.
    >
    > I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    > thought it.
    >
    > Freckles


    "I wouldn't pay much attention to the "Googlers who always have to be right
    over stuff that doesn't matter"" - Cheri - 2010

    I read your post of July 4th BTW, Freckles. Its benign and has been
    misconstrued. <shaking head and rolling eyes>




  28. #28
    Freckles Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >> "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected] ...
    >>>>
    >>>> "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> Freckles
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Age 72
    >>>>>> Type II
    >>>>>> Diagnosed 2005
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Portion Control
    >>>>>> Exercise
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    >>>>>> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are
    >>>>> not controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there
    >>>>> is anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    >>>>> clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in the
    >>>>> group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so they
    >>>>> can eat more carbs. I don't get it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Cheri
    >>>> -----------------------------------------
    >>>>
    >>>> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    >>>> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their
    >>>> diabetes. I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I
    >>>> stated any such a thing.
    >>>>
    >>>> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >>>> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >>>> medicines I am taking.
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >>>> thought it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Freckles
    >>>> ------------------------------------------
    >>>
    >>> You know that's not true. Check Google for July 4th or there about. LOL
    >>>
    >>> Cheri

    >>
    >> ----------------------------------------------
    >> Even though I knew you were wrong, I checked all of my posts for July 3.
    >> 4 and 5.
    >>
    >> In none of those post, and in no posts that I have ever posted any where,
    >> did I say I was not on medicines.
    >>
    >> In my post for July 4, 2010 1:51 PM I wrote: *I am not on insulin...* and
    >> I'm not. However, I did not write that I wasn't taking any medicines.
    >>
    >> In my posts for July 4, 2010 9:32 PM I wrote: ...*I take meds, but no
    >> insulin*...
    >>
    >> Freckles
    >> ----------------------------------------------

    > Nice try at deflection, but nowhere did I say that you ever said you
    > weren't taking meds, my point is, you are not controlling with portion
    > size and excercise, yet you say that if people would portion control and
    > excercise they could eat more carbs and have a wider variety of foods but
    > that they don't want to be deprived or some such nonsense, when the actual
    > fact is, they don't want to take meds unless they have to. There is
    > nothing wrong with meds, so don't go there either. I just would rather not
    > take them if I don't have to, and right now...I don't have to. That could
    > change any time.
    >
    > Cheri


    ------------------------------------------------
    Think maybe a remedial reading class could be in your immediate future?

    It should be!

    Freckles
    ------------------------------------------------



  29. #29
    Freckles Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Ozgirl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    >
    > "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] ...
    >>
    >> "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message If you're taking 1000mg
    >>> of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not controlling with
    >>> *portion control* and excercise, not that there is anything wrong with
    >>> taking meds at all, just wanted to make it clear...since last week you
    >>> were going on about the low carbers in the group who are taking no meds
    >>> needing to learn portion control so they can eat more carbs. I don't get
    >>> it.
    >>>
    >>> Cheri

    >> -----------------------------------------
    >>
    >> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    >> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their diabetes.
    >> I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I stated any such
    >> a thing.
    >>
    >> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >> medicines I am taking.
    >>
    >> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >> thought it.
    >>
    >> Freckles

    >
    > "I wouldn't pay much attention to the "Googlers who always have to be
    > right
    > over stuff that doesn't matter"" - Cheri - 2010
    >
    > I read your post of July 4th BTW, Freckles. Its benign and has been
    > misconstrued. <shaking head and rolling eyes>


    -------------------------------------------------
    Yes, there seems to be an awful lot of things misconstrued in this newsgroup
    lately. By accident, or on purpose, that is the question.

    Freckles
    -------------------------------------------------



  30. #30
    Alan S Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:02:26 -0500, "Freckles" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >-------------------------------------------------
    >Yes, there seems to be an awful lot of things misconstrued in this newsgroup
    >lately. By accident, or on purpose, that is the question.
    >
    >Freckles
    >-------------------------------------------------
    >

    And

    >Think maybe a remedial reading class could be in your immediate future?
    >
    >It should be!
    >
    >Freckles


    Two excellent autobiographical posts.

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    d & e; metformin 1500mg
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (I'm Type 2! What Should I Eat?)
    http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Buenos Aires, Argentina)

  31. #31
    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin



    "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "Ozgirl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >>
    >> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] ...
    >>>
    >>> "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>> "Freckles" <[email protected]> wrote in message If you're taking
    >>>> 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not controlling
    >>>> with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is anything wrong
    >>>> with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it clear...since last week
    >>>> you were going on about the low carbers in the group who are taking no
    >>>> meds needing to learn portion control so they can eat more carbs. I
    >>>> don't get it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Cheri
    >>> -----------------------------------------
    >>>
    >>> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    >>> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their
    >>> diabetes. I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I
    >>> stated any such a thing.
    >>>
    >>> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >>> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >>> medicines I am taking.
    >>>
    >>> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >>> thought it.
    >>>
    >>> Freckles

    >>
    >> "I wouldn't pay much attention to the "Googlers who always have to be
    >> right
    >> over stuff that doesn't matter"" - Cheri - 2010
    >>
    >> I read your post of July 4th BTW, Freckles. Its benign and has been
    >> misconstrued. <shaking head and rolling eyes>

    >
    > -------------------------------------------------
    > Yes, there seems to be an awful lot of things misconstrued in this
    > newsgroup lately. By accident, or on purpose, that is the question.
    >
    > Freckles
    > -------------------------------------------------


    Selective misconstruing. If a post is as transparent as mud but it comes
    from one of your buddies then it is immediately understood. Woe betide
    anyone who dares to challenge their views of the mud transparency - or lack
    of. But when an easy to understand comment is made by one of the current non
    buddies it is suddenly misunderstood. I understood perfectly what you said
    on that day in early July )))


  32. #32
    Freckles Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:a6a4569l8ukd1kaan36e1v3bnuob9p3001@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:02:26 -0500, "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>-------------------------------------------------
    >>Yes, there seems to be an awful lot of things misconstrued in this
    >>newsgroup
    >>lately. By accident, or on purpose, that is the question.
    >>
    >>Freckles
    >>-------------------------------------------------
    >>

    > And
    >
    >>Think maybe a remedial reading class could be in your immediate future?
    >>
    >>It should be!
    >>
    >>Freckles

    >
    > Two excellent autobiographical posts.
    >
    > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    > d & e; metformin 1500mg
    > --
    > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (I'm Type 2! What Should I Eat?)
    > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Buenos Aires, Argentina)


    --------------------------------------------------

    Agreed, when did you post them?

    Freckles
    --------------------------------------------------



  33. #33
    Tiger Lily Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    Kurt wrote:
    > On Jul 28, 1:10 pm, Tiger Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
    >> Kurt wrote:
    >>> On Jul 26, 9:31 pm, Tiger Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
    >>>> rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
    >>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0400, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
    >>>>>> What is the real shelf life of insulin? I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a
    >>>>>> diabetic cat, who gets three units of lantus glargine insulin twice a day. I
    >>>>>> know the pharmacist and vet says thirty days. But for the past year I've been
    >>>>>> throwing out over a half bottle every month and buying a new one. And as you
    >>>>>> probably all know, it's not cheap. There's no price break because its for a cat.
    >>>>>> It's kept in a cold refrigerator as it should be. Can I SAFELY extend the life
    >>>>>> of the bottle, or do I just keep throwing it away every month. I don't want to
    >>>>>> play Russian Roulette with my cat. But I just started wondering if there's a way
    >>>>>> to get more use out of a bottle. And while I'm here, what is it that goes wrong
    >>>>>> with the insulin after a month? Thanks much.
    >>>>> So what's the bottom line as I get mixed feelings here? Am I good for more than
    >>>>> a month with this insulin or do I throw it out every 30 days and spend another
    >>>>> hundred dollars monthly. I'll do what I have to do. This kitty is my best
    >>>>> friend. I'm just wondering if half a bottle of insulin is being wasted monthly.
    >>>>> Thanks.
    >>>> most insulin's today refer to the shelf life outside of the fridge
    >>>> way back when............ we were told to keep the insulin in the fridge
    >>>> at all times.......... i used 2 units a day of one insulin, at 1,000
    >>>> units a vial, that would be 500 days? (no, you don't get that many days
    >>>> out of it due to air shots etc)
    >>>> personally, if i stored my insulin inside the fridge, i wouldn't worry
    >>>> now, there IS the Solo-star pen, and that uses 300 unit cartridges (but
    >>>> the pen is a b*tch to use, i have heard)
    >>> I use a Solostar and have never had any problems with it. OMMV.
    >>> Kurt

    >> that is good news, Kurt
    >> i may even try it
    >>
    >> how do you find Apidra versus Humalog?

    >
    > I've never tried Apidra because I have such good success with Humalog.
    > I seem to remember you switched because Humalog wasn't working for
    > you. Do you find you have better control now with Apidra? Is the onset
    > peak and duration similar to Humalog?
    >
    > Kurt

    i remember someone switched to Apidra for a faster onset, shorter duration

    i'm still taking Humalog for my rapid insulin......... my endo is
    hinting at Apidra........... i dunno

    kate
    type 1 Aug 89, complication free

  34. #34
    Tiger Lily Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    Freckles wrote:
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    And of course you've seen Bernstein's credentials, and you have heard and
    read ever word Bernstein has ever spoken or written in his entire life! No?
    Then how do you know he has never lied about being a type 2 or any thing
    else? ANSWER: You couldn't and don't.

    Besides, you really do seem to have a lot of trouble understanding English.
    What part of "sort of" don't you understand?

    Freckles, Bernstein has written about his type 1 journey, the
    development of complications, the first meter available that his Dr.
    wife had to buy for him (he got his medical degree later)

    Bernstein introduces himself as a type 1 diabetic on d-Life and other
    such shows (some on PubMed or a debate broadcast on other diabetic forums)

    Bernstein has written more than one book and has been interviewed many
    times and at EVERY instance he introduces himself as a type 1 diabetic

    i would say he has made it pretty CLEAR that he is a type 1, and i
    cannot see a man of his standing blowing all credibility by announcing
    he's a type 2 diabetic

    ya know, you CAN infer things when a professional states they are a type
    1 diabetic........that inference being that he DOESN'T state that he is
    a type 2 diabetic

    sheesh
    why did i bother to write this

  35. #35
    Freckles Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Tiger Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:8bet38Fp1bU1@mid.individual.net...
    > Freckles wrote:
    > ---------------------------------------------------------
    > And of course you've seen Bernstein's credentials, and you have heard and
    > read ever word Bernstein has ever spoken or written in his entire life!
    > No?
    > Then how do you know he has never lied about being a type 2 or any thing
    > else? ANSWER: You couldn't and don't.
    >
    > Besides, you really do seem to have a lot of trouble understanding
    > English.
    > What part of "sort of" don't you understand?
    >
    > Freckles, Bernstein has written about his type 1 journey, the development
    > of complications, the first meter available that his Dr. wife had to buy
    > for him (he got his medical degree later)
    >
    > Bernstein introduces himself as a type 1 diabetic on d-Life and other such
    > shows (some on PubMed or a debate broadcast on other diabetic forums)
    >
    > Bernstein has written more than one book and has been interviewed many
    > times and at EVERY instance he introduces himself as a type 1 diabetic
    >
    > i would say he has made it pretty CLEAR that he is a type 1, and i cannot
    > see a man of his standing blowing all credibility by announcing he's a
    > type 2 diabetic
    >
    > ya know, you CAN infer things when a professional states they are a type 1
    > diabetic........that inference being that he DOESN'T state that he is a
    > type 2 diabetic
    >
    > sheesh
    > why did i bother to write this

    -----------------------------------------
    I don't know why you wrote it either.

    I've read his biography.

    Freckles
    ------------------------------------------



  36. #36
    Cheri Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
    news:8behovF46nU1@mid.individual.net...
    >
    >
    > "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:qcKdndKugPErcczRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    >>
    >> "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    >> news:i2sl7a0129j@news6.newsguy.com...
    >>> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message If you're taking 1000mg
    >>> of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not controlling with
    >>> *portion control* and excercise, not that there is anything wrong with
    >>> taking meds at all, just wanted to make it clear...since last week you
    >>> were going on about the low carbers in the group who are taking no meds
    >>> needing to learn portion control so they can eat more carbs. I don't get
    >>> it.
    >>>
    >>> Cheri

    >> -----------------------------------------
    >>
    >> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    >> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their diabetes.
    >> I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I stated any such
    >> a thing.
    >>
    >> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >> medicines I am taking.
    >>
    >> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >> thought it.
    >>
    >> Freckles

    >
    > "I wouldn't pay much attention to the "Googlers who always have to be
    > right
    > over stuff that doesn't matter"" - Cheri - 2010


    I didn't post anything from Google, I leave that to you. LOL

    Cheri


  37. #37
    Cheri Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
    news:8beo56F2ghU1@mid.individual.net...
    >
    >
    > "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:HJ-dnRSRZP8Fi8_RnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >>
    >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
    >> news:8behovF46nU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:qcKdndKugPErcczRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    >>>>
    >>>> "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:i2sl7a0129j@news6.newsguy.com...
    >>>>> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message If you're taking
    >>>>> 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are not controlling
    >>>>> with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is anything wrong
    >>>>> with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it clear...since last
    >>>>> week you were going on about the low carbers in the group who are
    >>>>> taking no meds needing to learn portion control so they can eat more
    >>>>> carbs. I don't get it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Cheri
    >>>> -----------------------------------------
    >>>>
    >>>> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    >>>> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their
    >>>> diabetes. I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I
    >>>> stated any such a thing.
    >>>>
    >>>> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >>>> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >>>> medicines I am taking.
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >>>> thought it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Freckles
    >>>
    >>> "I wouldn't pay much attention to the "Googlers who always have to be
    >>> right
    >>> over stuff that doesn't matter"" - Cheri - 2010
    >>>
    >>> I read your post of July 4th BTW, Freckles. Its benign and has been
    >>> misconstrued. <shaking head and rolling eyes>

    >>
    >> -------------------------------------------------
    >> Yes, there seems to be an awful lot of things misconstrued in this
    >> newsgroup lately. By accident, or on purpose, that is the question.
    >>
    >> Freckles
    >> -------------------------------------------------

    >
    > Selective misconstruing. If a post is as transparent as mud but it comes
    > from one of your buddies then it is immediately understood. Woe betide
    > anyone who dares to challenge their views of the mud transparency - or
    > lack of. But when an easy to understand comment is made by one of the
    > current non buddies it is suddenly misunderstood. I understood perfectly
    > what you said on that day in early July )))


    Oooooh, did you understand it because Freckles is *your* good buddy? LOL

    Cheri



  38. #38
    Ozlover Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin

    Cheri <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote:
    > "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:L4-dnS5CudTgm8_RnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    > >
    > > "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    > > news:i2ssdb050k@news3.newsguy.com...
    > >> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:qcKdndKugPErcczRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    > >>>
    > >>> "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    > >>> news:i2sl7a0129j@news6.newsguy.com...
    > >>>> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    > >>>> news:0uydnZBsk59XjczRnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> --
    > >>>>> --
    > >>>>> Freckles
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Age 72
    > >>>>> Type II
    > >>>>> Diagnosed 2005
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Portion Control
    > >>>>> Exercise
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    > >>>>> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily
    > >>>>
    > >>>> If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you are
    > >>>> not controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there is
    > >>>> anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    > >>>> clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in the
    > >>>> group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so they
    > >>>> can eat more carbs. I don't get it.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Cheri
    > >>> -----------------------------------------
    > >>>
    > >>> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about low
    > >>> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their
    > >>> diabetes. I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I
    > >>> stated any such a thing.
    > >>>
    > >>> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    > >>> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    > >>> medicines I am taking.
    > >>>
    > >>> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    > >>> thought it.
    > >>>
    > >>> Freckles
    > >>> ------------------------------------------
    > >>
    > >> You know that's not true. Check Google for July 4th or there about. LOL
    > >>
    > >> Cheri

    > >
    > > ----------------------------------------------
    > > Even though I knew you were wrong, I checked all of my posts for July 3. 4
    > > and 5.
    > >
    > > In none of those post, and in no posts that I have ever posted any where,
    > > did I say I was not on medicines.
    > >
    > > In my post for July 4, 2010 1:51 PM I wrote: *I am not on insulin...* and
    > > I'm not. However, I did not write that I wasn't taking any medicines.
    > >
    > > In my posts for July 4, 2010 9:32 PM I wrote: ...*I take meds, but no
    > > insulin*...
    > >
    > > Freckles
    > > ----------------------------------------------

    > Nice try at deflection, but nowhere did I say that you ever said you weren't
    > taking meds, my point is, you are not controlling with portion size and
    > excercise, yet you say that if people would portion control and excercise
    > they could eat more carbs and have a wider variety of foods but that they
    > don't want to be deprived or some such nonsense, when the actual fact is,
    > they don't want to take meds unless they have to. There is nothing wrong
    > with meds, so don't go there either. I just would rather not take them if I
    > don't have to, and right now...I don't have to. That could change any time.


    Get a clue. There's nothing wrong with what Freckles wrote. Portion
    control has *different* advantages (and disadvantages) than low-carb.
    That has nothing to do with using meds or not. You seem to want to imply
    that portion control 'needs' meds, while low-carb doesn't. That's a
    fallacy and you (should) know it.

    Portion control is *a* tool. Low-carb is *a* tool. They're *not*
    mutually exclusive. And then there are yet other tools - such as
    carb-counting - and they're not exclusive either. Figure that!

    --
    Frank Slootweg

  39. #39
    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin



    "Ozlover" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
    news:8bh0a6Fr1hU1@mid.individual.net...
    > Cheri <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote:
    >> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    >> news:L4-dnS5CudTgm8_RnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >> >
    >> > "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:i2ssdb050k@news3.newsguy.com...
    >> >> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:qcKdndKugPErcczRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    >> >>>
    >> >>> "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    >> >>> news:i2sl7a0129j@news6.newsguy.com...
    >> >>>> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    >> >>>> news:0uydnZBsk59XjczRnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> --
    >> >>>>> --
    >> >>>>> Freckles
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Age 72
    >> >>>>> Type II
    >> >>>>> Diagnosed 2005
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Portion Control
    >> >>>>> Exercise
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    >> >>>>> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you
    >> >>>> are
    >> >>>> not controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that there
    >> >>>> is
    >> >>>> anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    >> >>>> clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in
    >> >>>> the
    >> >>>> group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so
    >> >>>> they
    >> >>>> can eat more carbs. I don't get it.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Cheri
    >> >>> -----------------------------------------
    >> >>>
    >> >>> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about
    >> >>> low
    >> >>> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their
    >> >>> diabetes. I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I
    >> >>> stated any such a thing.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >> >>> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >> >>> medicines I am taking.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >> >>> thought it.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Freckles
    >> >>> ------------------------------------------
    >> >>
    >> >> You know that's not true. Check Google for July 4th or there about.
    >> >> LOL
    >> >>
    >> >> Cheri
    >> >
    >> > ----------------------------------------------
    >> > Even though I knew you were wrong, I checked all of my posts for July
    >> > 3. 4
    >> > and 5.
    >> >
    >> > In none of those post, and in no posts that I have ever posted any
    >> > where,
    >> > did I say I was not on medicines.
    >> >
    >> > In my post for July 4, 2010 1:51 PM I wrote: *I am not on insulin...*
    >> > and
    >> > I'm not. However, I did not write that I wasn't taking any medicines.
    >> >
    >> > In my posts for July 4, 2010 9:32 PM I wrote: ...*I take meds, but no
    >> > insulin*...
    >> >
    >> > Freckles
    >> > ----------------------------------------------

    >> Nice try at deflection, but nowhere did I say that you ever said you
    >> weren't
    >> taking meds, my point is, you are not controlling with portion size and
    >> excercise, yet you say that if people would portion control and excercise
    >> they could eat more carbs and have a wider variety of foods but that they
    >> don't want to be deprived or some such nonsense, when the actual fact is,
    >> they don't want to take meds unless they have to. There is nothing wrong
    >> with meds, so don't go there either. I just would rather not take them if
    >> I
    >> don't have to, and right now...I don't have to. That could change any
    >> time.

    >
    > Get a clue. There's nothing wrong with what Freckles wrote. Portion
    > control has *different* advantages (and disadvantages) than low-carb.
    > That has nothing to do with using meds or not. You seem to want to imply
    > that portion control 'needs' meds, while low-carb doesn't. That's a
    > fallacy and you (should) know it.
    >
    > Portion control is *a* tool. Low-carb is *a* tool. They're *not*
    > mutually exclusive. And then there are yet other tools - such as
    > carb-counting - and they're not exclusive either. Figure that!


    I did both low carb and calorie control for nearly 10 years (after T2
    diagnosis). Low carb without calorie control did not work for me. Calorie
    control alone didn't work for bg control. So I needed and used both.
    Presently I use calorie control to maintain weight not lose and my weight
    loss has given me a wider carb scope to work with. So I am back to where I
    was in the years between ages 21 and 43. At 20 I had massive weight loss
    with Weight Watchers. Even with the years between that (when I had severe
    reactive hypoglycemia) I still calorie controlled with moderate carbs as
    well. I ate 9 times a day, little and often to handle the RH. 4 years before
    diagnosis I overate big time, put on massive weight, diagnosed diabetic and
    rest is history. Oh, I no longer have RH so I eat 5-6 meals a day now. 3
    meals and 2-3 snacks really. Yesterday I had just 3 meals. I had 2 angus
    beef with cracked pepper sausages, rye bread toasted and a cup of tea for
    breakfast. For lunch I had a white roll with mashed banana, peanut butter
    and golden syrup (little food in the house - normally salad is my lunch
    choice). I went shopping before dinner so dinner was 2 BBQ flavoured chicken
    kebabs, 1 angus beef sausage, sweet potato, corn cob, broccoli and a few
    peas. Oh, and Worcestershire sauce Kids had curly fires with theirs.

    I am looking forward to tonight's dinner, I bought a rolled turkey roast
    (boneless and rolled to look like a meatloaf shape). I am going to cook it
    in the slow cooker probably with a mix of stuff layered on the bottom like
    onion slices, garlic, peppers and craisins (dried cranberries) and a glaze
    of commercial cranberry sauce.


  40. #40
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of insulin


    "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
    news:8bh7eqFilU1@mid.individual.net...
    >
    >
    > "Ozlover" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:8bh0a6Fr1hU1@mid.individual.net...
    >> Cheri <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote:
    >>> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:L4-dnS5CudTgm8_RnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >>> >
    >>> > "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    >>> > news:i2ssdb050k@news3.newsguy.com...
    >>> >> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    >>> >> news:qcKdndKugPErcczRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
    >>> >>> news:i2sl7a0129j@news6.newsguy.com...
    >>> >>>> "Freckles" <freckles@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
    >>> >>>> news:0uydnZBsk59XjczRnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> --
    >>> >>>>> --
    >>> >>>>> Freckles
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Age 72
    >>> >>>>> Type II
    >>> >>>>> Diagnosed 2005
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Portion Control
    >>> >>>>> Exercise
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> 500 mg. Metformin twice daily
    >>> >>>>> 4 mg. Glimepiride twice daily
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> If you're taking 1000mg of Met and 8 mg of Glimepiride a day, you
    >>> >>>> are
    >>> >>>> not controlling with *portion control* and excercise, not that
    >>> >>>> there is
    >>> >>>> anything wrong with taking meds at all, just wanted to make it
    >>> >>>> clear...since last week you were going on about the low carbers in
    >>> >>>> the
    >>> >>>> group who are taking no meds needing to learn portion control so
    >>> >>>> they
    >>> >>>> can eat more carbs. I don't get it.
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> Cheri
    >>> >>> -----------------------------------------
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> I have never mentioned anything in any of my posts, *never*, about
    >>> >>> low
    >>> >>> carbers, or any one, not taking medicines to help control their
    >>> >>> diabetes. I suggest you reread my posts, and please show me where I
    >>> >>> stated any such a thing.
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> Also, I have never mentioned that I was controlling my diabetes with
    >>> >>> portion control and exercise alone. As you pointed out I listed the
    >>> >>> medicines I am taking.
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> I don't get it either, because I never wrote such nonsense, or even
    >>> >>> thought it.
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> Freckles
    >>> >>> ------------------------------------------
    >>> >>
    >>> >> You know that's not true. Check Google for July 4th or there about.
    >>> >> LOL
    >>> >>
    >>> >> Cheri
    >>> >
    >>> > ----------------------------------------------
    >>> > Even though I knew you were wrong, I checked all of my posts for July
    >>> > 3. 4
    >>> > and 5.
    >>> >
    >>> > In none of those post, and in no posts that I have ever posted any
    >>> > where,
    >>> > did I say I was not on medicines.
    >>> >
    >>> > In my post for July 4, 2010 1:51 PM I wrote: *I am not on insulin...*
    >>> > and
    >>> > I'm not. However, I did not write that I wasn't taking any medicines.
    >>> >
    >>> > In my posts for July 4, 2010 9:32 PM I wrote: ...*I take meds, but no
    >>> > insulin*...
    >>> >
    >>> > Freckles
    >>> > ----------------------------------------------
    >>> Nice try at deflection, but nowhere did I say that you ever said you
    >>> weren't
    >>> taking meds, my point is, you are not controlling with portion size and
    >>> excercise, yet you say that if people would portion control and
    >>> excercise
    >>> they could eat more carbs and have a wider variety of foods but that
    >>> they
    >>> don't want to be deprived or some such nonsense, when the actual fact
    >>> is,
    >>> they don't want to take meds unless they have to. There is nothing wrong
    >>> with meds, so don't go there either. I just would rather not take them
    >>> if I
    >>> don't have to, and right now...I don't have to. That could change any
    >>> time.

    >>
    >> Get a clue. There's nothing wrong with what Freckles wrote. Portion
    >> control has *different* advantages (and disadvantages) than low-carb.
    >> That has nothing to do with using meds or not. You seem to want to imply
    >> that portion control 'needs' meds, while low-carb doesn't. That's a
    >> fallacy and you (should) know it.
    >>
    >> Portion control is *a* tool. Low-carb is *a* tool. They're *not*
    >> mutually exclusive. And then there are yet other tools - such as
    >> carb-counting - and they're not exclusive either. Figure that!

    >
    > I did both low carb and calorie control for nearly 10 years (after T2
    > diagnosis). Low carb without calorie control did not work for me. Calorie
    > control alone didn't work for bg control. So I needed and used both.
    > Presently I use calorie control to maintain weight not lose and my weight
    > loss has given me a wider carb scope to work with. So I am back to where I
    > was in the years between ages 21 and 43. At 20 I had massive weight loss
    > with Weight Watchers. Even with the years between that (when I had severe
    > reactive hypoglycemia) I still calorie controlled with moderate carbs as
    > well. I ate 9 times a day, little and often to handle the RH. 4 years
    > before diagnosis I overate big time, put on massive weight, diagnosed
    > diabetic and rest is history. Oh, I no longer have RH so I eat 5-6 meals a
    > day now. 3 meals and 2-3 snacks really. Yesterday I had just 3 meals. I
    > had 2 angus beef with cracked pepper sausages, rye bread toasted and a cup
    > of tea for breakfast. For lunch I had a white roll with mashed banana,
    > peanut butter and golden syrup (little food in the house - normally salad
    > is my lunch choice). I went shopping before dinner so dinner was 2 BBQ
    > flavoured chicken kebabs, 1 angus beef sausage, sweet potato, corn cob,
    > broccoli and a few peas. Oh, and Worcestershire sauce Kids had curly
    > fires with theirs.
    >
    > I am looking forward to tonight's dinner, I bought a rolled turkey roast
    > (boneless and rolled to look like a meatloaf shape). I am going to cook it
    > in the slow cooker probably with a mix of stuff layered on the bottom like
    > onion slices, garlic, peppers and craisins (dried cranberries) and a glaze
    > of commercial cranberry sauce.


    I was looking forward to tonight's dinner too! Meatloaf. But it was not to
    be.

    Angela woke up to two puffy eyes this morning. She did about 9 hours worth
    of dance yesterday and all that exercise kept her awake until late. So I
    thought maybe she was just tired. But then after she had been up for a
    while, one eye looked better. The other did not. And when I tried to touch
    it, she screamed!

    She had 6 hours of dance today. I told her to call me if it got too bad.
    When I picked her up, it looked a little better but still hurt.

    So we went to the walk in clinic. Turns out it was a sty. By the time we
    got the antibiotic and my insulin, then ran home to refrigerate the insulin,
    it was way past dinner time. So we went out to eat.

    Then to the grocery store. They weighed her at the Drs. office and we were
    shocked and horrified. So we left the grocery store with over two bags of
    mainly fruits and vegetables. She doesn't like fruit much but I bought
    pretty much one of everything for her to try again. She doesn't like most
    vegetables either, but something has to be done.

    The Dr. also told her to eat a yogurt every day. She did like that. She's
    not really supposed to have dairy every day. But the coconut yogurt she
    usually eats does not have the lactowhateveritis enzyme in it.

    So hopefully we can have the meatloaf on Monday. I already have other stuff
    planned for the next two days. And there will be salad!



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