Smoking Harms Kidney Function In Type 2 People With Diabetes

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Kurt wrote:
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Thanks Kurt for the link. I suspect (Or should I say I at least hope)
that 100 years from now folks will wonder what kind of socio-economic
system allowed such powerful narcotic to remain legal for so long. Oh
well. Can of worms...

Would this apply to second hand smoke as well? Hmmm

Anil

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Interesting and scary. In my opinion, most smokers are so firmly attached
to their habit that nothing will scare them into stopping (with only a few
exceptions). If the threat of choking to death from COPD or lung cancer
doesn't do the trick, the thought of living on dialysis won't either. I
am so glad I stopped as a young woman. But what can get people to give up
such a powerfully addictive habit? Fear alone doesn't seem to do the
trick.

--

Best Regards,

Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')

The trick is to keep them from starting in the first place so they never
have to deal with giving it up. I think education is going a long way to
help with that, at least it seems to be.

--
Cheri

Evelyn Ruut wrote in message ...

>am so glad I stopped as a young woman. But what can get people to
give up
>such a powerfully addictive habit? Fear alone doesn't seem to do the
>trick.

education? or have a child that hates the smell of smoke
in her nose and won't even be in the same room as a smoker.

I do laugh at her when she tells me how smoking hurts fetus' --
apparently, my smoking 1.5 packs a day while pregnant with
Danni, did her NO harm in the way her lungs developed.... the
kid NEVER shuts up and I'm sure when she yells the folks 3 county's
over can hear her.

We also used to tell her that if she was ever kidnapped just to "talk"
because her kidnapper would get so sick of listening that they'd pay US
to take her back home.. LOL

Didn't stunt her growth either and a recent IQ test for an entrance test
showed a test score of over 140. She scares me!

--
Reisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper
DX-5/00 ASD-7/00
A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06)
Daily CHO: 150-200gm
TDD: 34-38u
"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:qaydnQ4Kk_WvwNPYnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
: The trick is to keep them from starting in the first place so they never
: have to deal with giving it up. I think education is going a long way to
: help with that, at least it seems to be.
:
: --
: Cheri
:
: Evelyn Ruut wrote in message ...
:
: >am so glad I stopped as a young woman. But what can get people to
: give up
: >such a powerfully addictive habit? Fear alone doesn't seem to do the
: >trick.
:
:

"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:kKr3h.14113$dN4.8506@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...

> Interesting and scary. In my opinion, most smokers are so firmly
attached
> to their habit that nothing will scare them into stopping (with only a few
> exceptions). If the threat of choking to death from COPD or lung cancer
> doesn't do the trick, the thought of living on dialysis won't either. I
> am so glad I stopped as a young woman. But what can get people to give
up
> such a powerfully addictive habit? Fear alone doesn't seem to do the
> trick.

The only thing that made me stop was pregnancy. And even then I didn't do
it right away. I kept thinking of all those other women I know who smoked
throughout their pregnancies and were still smoking today. I didn't want to
quit. I really didn't. And then I thought of my friend nagging her mom.
My niece nagging her mom. They really wanted their moms to quit. That
didn't work, of course. But I do hate nagging! I decided it was then or
never. I got hypnotized. It didn't work immediately. I'd gotten down to
smoking maybe three cigarettes per day, if that. I'd light them, take a
puff, then put them out. I smoked the rest of that day. Then stopped.
I've lit one cigarette since then. I played with it, put the smoke in my
mouth but didn't inhale. Then I put it out.

I also fully intended to start smoking again as soon as I had the baby.
Even sneaked two packs of cigarettes into my suitcase that I brought to the
hospital. Along with some bars of chocolate. Heh! Little did I know they
wouldn't allow me outside, nor did they allow smoking anywhere on hospital
grounds.

I do remember the look on my newly born daughter's face when my husband lit
up a cigarette near her though. She waved her fists in front of her face,
her face turned red and she started kicking and crying. There was no way I
was going to upset her that badly.

I never started up again, although it is something I'd very much like to do.
I can't say that I ever enjoyed much in life as much as I enjoyed smoking.
I REALLY enjoyed it. But I know how hard it was for me to quit after 27
years. I won't start up again.

--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm

rk <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote:

> education? or have a child that hates the smell of smoke
> in her nose and won't even be in the same room as a smoker.

> I do laugh at her when she tells me how smoking hurts fetus' --
> apparently, my smoking 1.5 packs a day while pregnant with
> Danni, did her NO harm in the way her lungs developed.... the
> kid NEVER shuts up and I'm sure when she yells the folks 3 county's
> over can hear her.

> We also used to tell her that if she was ever kidnapped just to "talk"
> because her kidnapper would get so sick of listening that they'd pay US
> to take her back home.. LOL

> Didn't stunt her growth either and a recent IQ test for an entrance test
> showed a test score of over 140. She scares me!

The kid has an IQ of >140 and thinks you might be wrong about the
effects of smoking! Know-it-all kids, eh? You have to laugh!

I'm sure you realise that smoking is a risk factor for fetal damage,
not a necessarily causative agent. It's impossible to extrapolate
more than probabilities from statistical averages to individual
cases. However, if you find people with high IQs scary, your smoking
may have helped your relationship with your daughter.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:kKr3h.14113$dN4.8506@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>
>> Interesting and scary. In my opinion, most smokers are so firmly
> attached
>> to their habit that nothing will scare them into stopping (with only a
>> few
>> exceptions). If the threat of choking to death from COPD or lung cancer
>> doesn't do the trick, the thought of living on dialysis won't either.
>> I
>> am so glad I stopped as a young woman. But what can get people to give
> up
>> such a powerfully addictive habit? Fear alone doesn't seem to do the
>> trick.
>
> The only thing that made me stop was pregnancy. And even then I didn't do
> it right away. I kept thinking of all those other women I know who smoked
> throughout their pregnancies and were still smoking today. I didn't want
> to
> quit. I really didn't. And then I thought of my friend nagging her mom.
> My niece nagging her mom. They really wanted their moms to quit. That
> didn't work, of course. But I do hate nagging! I decided it was then or
> never. I got hypnotized. It didn't work immediately. I'd gotten down to
> smoking maybe three cigarettes per day, if that. I'd light them, take a
> puff, then put them out. I smoked the rest of that day. Then stopped.
> I've lit one cigarette since then. I played with it, put the smoke in my
> mouth but didn't inhale. Then I put it out.
>
> I also fully intended to start smoking again as soon as I had the baby.
> Even sneaked two packs of cigarettes into my suitcase that I brought to
> the
> hospital. Along with some bars of chocolate. Heh! Little did I know
> they
> wouldn't allow me outside, nor did they allow smoking anywhere on hospital
> grounds.
>
> I do remember the look on my newly born daughter's face when my husband
> lit
> up a cigarette near her though. She waved her fists in front of her face,
> her face turned red and she started kicking and crying. There was no way
> I
> was going to upset her that badly.
>
> I never started up again, although it is something I'd very much like to
> do.
> I can't say that I ever enjoyed much in life as much as I enjoyed smoking.
> I REALLY enjoyed it. But I know how hard it was for me to quit after 27
> years. I won't start up again.
>
> --
> See my webpage:
> http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm



Julie I am so glad you found the strength to quit through love of your
daughter. I am 65 and among my smoking lady friends, one has esophageal
cancer and has also had some breast issues (though not cancerous,
borderline) another has lung cancer, another has breast cancer. It really
starts striking people when they get a few years older. When you have
health problems life can really stink. Who needs more of them than we
already have?

--

Best Regards,

Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')

Think of how healthy and smart Danni would be if you hadn't smoked. It's
funny how you can justify your unhealthy habits. What a shame. I lived
in the same conditions Danni lived in, and I know. But I guess you're
in denial.

Personally, I can't imagine considering my habit as more important than
my child's health. But each to his own...

rk wrote:
> education? or have a child that hates the smell of smoke
> in her nose and won't even be in the same room as a smoker.
>
> I do laugh at her when she tells me how smoking hurts fetus' --
> apparently, my smoking 1.5 packs a day while pregnant with
> Danni, did her NO harm in the way her lungs developed.... the
> kid NEVER shuts up and I'm sure when she yells the folks 3 county's
> over can hear her.
>
> We also used to tell her that if she was ever kidnapped just to "talk"
> because her kidnapper would get so sick of listening that they'd pay US
> to take her back home.. LOL
>
> Didn't stunt her growth either and a recent IQ test for an entrance test
> showed a test score of over 140. She scares me!
>

You don't know that Mary, and it's cruel to say. Danni is smart, and
many children become ill who never had smoking parents. Hospitals are
full of them as we speak.

--
Cheri

Mary wrote in message ...

>Think of how healthy and smart Danni would be if you hadn't smoked.
It's
>funny how you can justify your unhealthy habits. What a shame. I
lived
>in the same conditions Danni lived in, and I know. But I guess you're
>in denial.

"Mary" <imnotthere@bogus.com> wrote in message
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> Think of how healthy and smart Danni would be if you hadn't smoked.

Probably exactly as clever as she is now, as a child's IQ is usually a
function of parental IQ. Reisa is highly educated - dunno about Mike - so
Danni's IQ doesn't surprise me.

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
100ug Thyroxine
95/72/72Kg

Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:

> "Mary" <imnotthere@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:QPydndt5ws5jcdLYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Think of how healthy and smart Danni would be if you hadn't smoked.

> Probably exactly as clever as she is now, as a child's IQ is usually a
> function of parental IQ.

Not as simple a function as you suggest. Look up "regression to the
mean". The kids of intelligent people are usually less intelligent,
although usually more intelligent than average. And while heredity is
important, so are environment and general health, especially in the
periods of maximum brain growth, namely embryonic and early
childhood. Heredity is often considered to determine somewhere between
40% and 60% of IQ, but there are a lot of "other things being equal"
assumptions in that consideration. Cigarette smoking by parents is
coming to be recognised as a significant inequality.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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: "Mary" <imnotthere@bogus.com> wrote in message
: news:QPydndt5ws5jcdLYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: > Think of how healthy and smart Danni would be if you hadn't smoked.
:
: Probably exactly as clever as she is now, as a child's IQ is usually a
: function of parental IQ. Reisa is highly educated - dunno about Mike - so
: Danni's IQ doesn't surprise me.
:
: Nicky.
:
: --
: A1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
: 100ug Thyroxine
: 95/72/72Kg
:

Thank you Nicky and Cheri..

Mike's a oddball of sorts He's not much of a book-smart person. But put
a piece of machinery of any type in front of the man, he can tear it apart
and
make it work. He never studied for the State Electrical Journeyman's test
but
he needed it for work, went down and passed it with flying colors.. Same
with
getting his Boiler License. He's very down to earth, very giving man and
I've
yelled at him more then once for being "too" kind to strangers on the
street.

The man works from 6am-5pm daily as Maintenance Supervisor.. He repairs
machines that make colored plastic pellets that go to make the plastic bags
you use at places like Walmart... What's so funny is that before we moved
here
to Ohio, the place he worked at in California for many years actually used
those
plastic pellets to make the plastic bags..

I wouldn't trade him for anything...
:

Reisa

He definitely sounds like a keeper rk. I'm glad you have each other. It
makes the trials of life a lot easier to bear. :-) Hope you have a great
day.

--
Cheri
rk wrote in message ...

>The man works from 6am-5pm daily as Maintenance Supervisor.. He repairs
>machines that make colored plastic pellets that go to make the plastic
bags
>you use at places like Walmart... What's so funny is that before we
moved
>here
>to Ohio, the place he worked at in California for many years actually
used
>those
>plastic pellets to make the plastic bags..
>
>I wouldn't trade him for anything...
>:
>
>Reisa