Soap. Does it mattter?

Soap. Does it mattter?

I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using the
palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings. Does it
matter?

Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could toss an
ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?

Andy

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Andy <q> wrote:
> Soap. Does it mattter?
>
> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using the
> palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings. Does it
> matter?
>
> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could toss an
> ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
>
> Andy
>
i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin

Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety

kate

Tiger_Lily said...

> Andy <q> wrote:
>> Soap. Does it mattter?
>>
>> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using
>> the palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings.
>> Does it matter?
>>
>> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could
>> toss an ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
>>
>> Andy
>>
> i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin
>
> Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety
>
> kate


kate,

My Doc talked me out of dove saying it had too much oil in it. Another
friend a dermatologist recommended Lever 2000 but they make too many
versions to choose from.

Just wonder if scents, oils, etc., effect readings. Easy enough to test,
obviously.

I've never washed my hands so many times in a day ever!

Ah well, a small price to pay.

Best,

Andy.


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Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
: Andy <q> wrote:
: > Soap. Does it mattter?
: >
: > I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using the
: > palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings. Does it
: > matter?
: >
: > Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could toss an
: > ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
: >
: > Andy
: >
: i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin

: Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety

: kate

In general, I avoild all things marked "antibacterial" like dishwshig
liquid, kitchen and houshold cleaners adn soaps. I so this because I have
been told by my biologist son that they contribute to the growth of
antibiotic resistant bacteria. I do use deodorant soap, but not if is
says, "antibiotic" I we all do our part it might have some effect. Plain
soap and water works just fine for cleanign hands for a test using your
own equipment adn regular dish soap works fine for the dishes.

Sorry to sound like a prig, but do worry about th heavy use of
antibiotics where they are not needed.

Wendy

W. Baker said...

> Sorry to sound like a prig, but do worry about th heavy use of
> antibiotics where they are not needed.


Wendy,

I agree. I've heard they lead to super-resistant bacteria according to the
talking heads on TV.

Best,

Andy

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In article <Xns9A24903B59B2cotd@216.196.97.136>, "Andy <q>" <q> wrote:

> Tiger_Lily said...
>
> > Andy <q> wrote:
> >> Soap. Does it mattter?
> >>
> >> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using
> >> the palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings.
> >> Does it matter?
> >>
> >> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could
> >> toss an ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> > i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin
> >
> > Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety
> >
> > kate
>
>
> kate,
>
> My Doc talked me out of dove saying it had too much oil in it. Another
> friend a dermatologist recommended Lever 2000 but they make too many
> versions to choose from.
>
> Just wonder if scents, oils, etc., effect readings. Easy enough to test,
> obviously.

I did get some unusually high readings once from a really
fruity-smelling liquid soap. (In a period of time when my fasting
readings were all in the 105-115 range, a few days of 150+ with no other
change in routine stand out.)

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:36:59 -0600, "Andy <q>" <q> wrote:

>W. Baker said...
>
>> Sorry to sound like a prig, but do worry about th heavy use of
>> antibiotics where they are not needed.
>
>
>Wendy,
>
>I agree. I've heard they lead to super-resistant bacteria according to the
>talking heads on TV.
>
>Best,
>
>Andy

I have just endured a severe parasite infection that the docs failed
on miserqbly. There is no simple answer to the use of antibiotics or
any cleanng item.


It is my opinioin that the picking of a proper doc that places
patients above money is so important.

I had a misersble situation caused by production line
medicine. These problems are easily fixed early in the game.

Later they are a much more difficult item to deal with.

My arms degenerated to a mess of sores and then I was give
cortisone drugs to hide the problem, It did not cure it.

With world travel and a wide range of food sources the parasirte
problem is increasing rapidly.

It seems the days of a quick prescription for antibiotics are showing
it's ugly results.

Soap and wateris not the answer. Creams were not productibe for me.

It requires the tslent of a QUALIFIED professional physician.

<q> wrote in message news:Xns9A248809A1663cotd@216.196.97.136...
> Soap. Does it mattter?
>
> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using the
> palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings. Does it
> matter?
>
> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could toss
> an
> ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?

Ivory soap is very harsh and in my opinion not best for anyone. My husband
insists on using it though and he seems to have no problems with it. I also
don't think anibacterial soap is good for anyone either. I don't use any
specific brands of soap. I usually buy whatever is cheapest and I'm not
allergic to.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:38:10 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdoc16@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
>> "Andy <q>" <q> wrote:
>> >W. Baker said...
>> >
>> >> Sorry to sound like a prig, but do worry about th heavy use of
>> >> antibiotics where they are not needed.
>> >
>> >
>> >Wendy,
>> >
>> >I agree. I've heard they lead to super-resistant bacteria according to the
>> >talking heads on TV.
>> >
>> >Best,
>> >
>> >Andy
>>
>> I have just endured a severe parasite infection that the docs failed
>> on miserqbly. There is no simple answer to the use of antibiotics or
>> any cleanng item.
>>
>> It is my opinioin that the picking of a proper doc that places
>> patients above money is so important.
>
>Doctors that place others above money are those that place others
>above themselves...
>
>... these would be those who have stopped sinning though they remain
>sinners:
>
>"Love your neighbors as you love yourself." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
>Amen.
>
>May you come to know and love the truth:
>
>http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
>
>Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
>Andrew <><





Andrew,

The theory is thay we exist because we eliminated all coimpetition
asnd enslaved all competitors All modern religions have tried to
negate this concept and we have at least a ,marginal
civilization.

I strongly do not accept a free ride idea. True religion does not
teach this. It is an easy concept to sell but does not make sense.
It so easy to sell to the greedy. True religion teaches us to work in
a collectrive and fair society for the benefit of all.

Selfish behavior is comtrary to all conepts of civilization.---- And
any religion with any merit reects it..

Excess money usually means grabbing the assets that
others worked to acquire. A jungle concept.

We do have those that are wealthy and use their control of
assets for some good purposes. That is necesary because
a lot of people will spend anything they can get before it get dark.

Your bible is very clear on the issues. Rewards for performance.
Hell for those that do not perform or those coverting the assets of
thoise thast worked for them.

NO free ride for some nominal nonsense.

Guy

Andy, I dont think the soap matters. I use the palmolive in the kitchen
before I test, In the shower I use a body wash. Ivory was always too
drying for me. No difference in the numbers

Loretta

Andy <q> wrote:
> Tiger_Lily said...
>
>> Andy <q> wrote:
>>> Soap. Does it mattter?
>>>
>>> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using
>>> the palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings.
>>> Does it matter?
>>>
>>> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could
>>> toss an ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>> i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin
>>
>> Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety
>>
>> kate
>
>
> kate,
>
> My Doc talked me out of dove saying it had too much oil in it. Another
> friend a dermatologist recommended Lever 2000 but they make too many
> versions to choose from.
>
> Just wonder if scents, oils, etc., effect readings. Easy enough to test,
> obviously.
>
> I've never washed my hands so many times in a day ever!
>
> Ah well, a small price to pay.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy.
>
>
interesting, Andy

because my GP talked me INTO Dove because it's a moisturizing soap, so
you don't suffer from the dry skin that diabetics get

and i don't find it at all oily

Lever 2000 is a detergent i believe, but if that's your choice, just go
for the unscented variety of it

i found that hand cream definitely gives me an incorrect reading if not
an ERR message on my meter

good luck

kate

I thought all soap was anti-bacterial.
My friend the poet lawyer-ate even wrote a poem about it.
So it must be true.

<dumb_fishie99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I thought all soap was anti-bacterial.
> My friend the poet lawyer-ate even wrote a poem about it.
> So it must be true.

Nope/

Tiger_Lily said...

> Andy <q> wrote:
>> Tiger_Lily said...
>>
>>> Andy <q> wrote:
>>>> Soap. Does it mattter?
>>>>
>>>> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using
>>>> the palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings.
>>>> Does it matter?
>>>>
>>>> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could
>>>> toss an ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>> i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin
>>>
>>> Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety
>>>
>>> kate
>>
>>
>> kate,
>>
>> My Doc talked me out of dove saying it had too much oil in it. Another
>> friend a dermatologist recommended Lever 2000 but they make too many
>> versions to choose from.
>>
>> Just wonder if scents, oils, etc., effect readings. Easy enough to test,
>> obviously.
>>
>> I've never washed my hands so many times in a day ever!
>>
>> Ah well, a small price to pay.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy.
>>
>>
> interesting, Andy
>
> because my GP talked me INTO Dove because it's a moisturizing soap, so
> you don't suffer from the dry skin that diabetics get
>
> and i don't find it at all oily
>
> Lever 2000 is a detergent i believe, but if that's your choice, just go
> for the unscented variety of it
>
> i found that hand cream definitely gives me an incorrect reading if not
> an ERR message on my meter
>
> good luck
>
> kate


kate,

I'm not saying Dove is a bad soap for showering.

For washing your paws for testing, I was just debating dish soap vs. ivory.

Best

Andy

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<q> wrote in message news:Xns9A24903B59B2cotd@216.196.97.136...
> Tiger_Lily said...
>
>> Andy <q> wrote:
>>> Soap. Does it mattter?
>>>
>>> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using
>>> the palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings.
>>> Does it matter?
>>>
>>> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could
>>> toss an ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>> i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin
>>
>> Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety
>>
>> kate
>
>
> kate,
>
> My Doc talked me out of dove saying it had too much oil in it. Another
> friend a dermatologist recommended Lever 2000 but they make too many
> versions to choose from.
>
> Just wonder if scents, oils, etc., effect readings. Easy enough to test,
> obviously.
>
> I've never washed my hands so many times in a day ever!
>
> Ah well, a small price to pay.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy.
>

I'm a qualified aromatherapist (although my profession is on the back burner
at the moment due to my other new job, managing a cinema and theatre!) and
although I was taught diabetes is a potential contra-indication, I advocate
the use of essential oils and massage for diabetics. The reason being that
massage is a perfect way of assisting people to relax. As we all know,
stress and pain can cause our bg numbers to rise. Oils are naturally
anti-bacterial and certain oils, like the fantastic lavender, assist in the
healing of damaged skin, leaving hardly any scarring.

The only negative aspect of wishing to use essential oils through massage on
diabetics is that you should consult with your doctor first (especially when
the diabetes is combined with heart conditions) and I KNOW that a lot of
doctors do not advocate holistic therapy and will not work alongside such
practitioners.

It's always good to rinse your hands well after using perfumed soap because
I remember almost fainting at how high a reading I took was, until someone
here reminded me that *fruity* soap can leave a *sugary* residue.

Oh, and dont eat it - you'll be burping bubbles for a month - bad, bad,
bad!! LOL

Andy <q> wrote:
> Tiger_Lily said...
>
>> Andy <q> wrote:
>>> Tiger_Lily said...
>>>
>>>> Andy <q> wrote:
>>>>> Soap. Does it mattter?
>>>>>
>>>>> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using
>>>>> the palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings.
>>>>> Does it matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could
>>>>> toss an ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>> i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin
>>>>
>>>> Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety
>>>>
>>>> kate
>>>
>>> kate,
>>>
>>> My Doc talked me out of dove saying it had too much oil in it. Another
>>> friend a dermatologist recommended Lever 2000 but they make too many
>>> versions to choose from.
>>>
>>> Just wonder if scents, oils, etc., effect readings. Easy enough to test,
>>> obviously.
>>>
>>> I've never washed my hands so many times in a day ever!
>>>
>>> Ah well, a small price to pay.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Andy.
>>>
>>>
>> interesting, Andy
>>
>> because my GP talked me INTO Dove because it's a moisturizing soap, so
>> you don't suffer from the dry skin that diabetics get
>>
>> and i don't find it at all oily
>>
>> Lever 2000 is a detergent i believe, but if that's your choice, just go
>> for the unscented variety of it
>>
>> i found that hand cream definitely gives me an incorrect reading if not
>> an ERR message on my meter
>>
>> good luck
>>
>> kate
>
>
> kate,
>
> I'm not saying Dove is a bad soap for showering.
>
> For washing your paws for testing, I was just debating dish soap vs. ivory.
>
> Best
>
> Andy
>
Sunlight laundry soap bar makes for a very nice hand cleaner, that
doesn't dry out your hands either, and has very little scent to it

however, i use Dove more than the Sunlight

kate

W. Baker <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
> Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> : Andy <q> wrote:
> : > Soap. Does it mattter?
> : >
> : > I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using the
> : > palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings. Does it
> : > matter?
> : >
> : > Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could toss an
> : > ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?
> : >
> : > Andy
> : >
> : i find that Ivory leaves a film on the skin

> : Dove doesn't do this to me, and i buy the unscented variety

> : kate

> In general, I avoild all things marked "antibacterial" like dishwshig
> liquid, kitchen and houshold cleaners adn soaps. I so this because I have
> been told by my biologist son that they contribute to the growth of
> antibiotic resistant bacteria. I do use deodorant soap, but not if is
> says, "antibiotic" I we all do our part it might have some effect. Plain
> soap and water works just fine for cleanign hands for a test using your
> own equipment adn regular dish soap works fine for the dishes.

> Sorry to sound like a prig, but do worry about th heavy use of
> antibiotics where they are not needed.

Me too. I also try to avoid taking them. Whenever a doc wants to
prescribe me an antibiotic I ask what would happen if I didn't take
it. If the answer is simply that it might take me a bit longer to
recover then I'll refuse it. Thirty years ago that often infuriated
the prescribing docs. Today they often say "very sensible!"

When the day comes that I get a life threatening infection I want my
immune system to be strong and my own internal bacteria to be unused
to antibiotics.

Weapons which weaken with use should only be used when really needed.

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

<q> wrote in message news:Xns9A248809A1663cotd@216.196.97.136...
> Soap. Does it mattter?
>
> I shower with ivory soap but I wash my hands in the kitchen sink using the
> palmolive antibacterial liquid dish sink soap for taking readings. Does it
> matter?
>
> Unscented Ivory is the plainest soap made (I think). I guess I could toss
> an
> ivory soap dish by the kitchen sink?

The doc that DX'd me recommended Dial Anti-Bacterial. Been using that pretty
much since then. Had to run out and get some when I got here to NV, as Lynn
and her daughter only had that girly soap. My skin is NOT sposed to be silky
smooth...:/

--
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To: Julie Bove
Re: Re: Soap. Does it mattter?
By: Julie Bove to alt.support.diabetes on Sun Jan 13 2008 09:58 pm

> Ivory soap is very harsh and in my opinion not best for anyone. My husband
> insists on using it though and he seems to have no problems with it. I also
> don't think anibacterial soap is good for anyone either. I don't use any
> specific brands of soap. I usually buy whatever is cheapest and I'm not
> allergic to.


I like to buy natural plant-based non bacterial soaps.

Allen

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<dumb_fishie99@yahoo.com> a écrit ...
>I thought all soap was anti-bacterial.
> My friend the poet lawyer-ate even wrote a poem about it.
> So it must be true.



Do you have an adult nearby, dear ? You need one.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:36:59 -0500, Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com>
wrote:

>I did get some unusually high readings once from a really
>fruity-smelling liquid soap. (In a period of time when my fasting
>readings were all in the 105-115 range, a few days of 150+ with no other
>change in routine stand out.)

So dont' eat it then

<runs away>

> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:36:59 -0500, Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I did get some unusually high readings once from a really
>> fruity-smelling liquid soap. (In a period of time when my fasting
>> readings were all in the 105-115 range, a few days of 150+ with no
>> other change in routine stand out.)

I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed though
the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most medical
professionals believe that only medication and carb intake are the only
things responsible for BG levels changing.

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 4/2007 10.5
A1c 6/2007 7.4
A1c 8/2007 6.8

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:00:33 -0600, "BillW50"
<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed though
>the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most medical
>professionals believe that only medication and carb intake are the only
>things responsible for BG levels changing.

Please don't misquote me Bill. I believe nothing of the
sort.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest: ACCORD, Foxes and Grapes

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:20:01 +1100, Alan S posted:

>On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:00:33 -0600, "BillW50"
><BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>>I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed though
>>the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most medical
>>professionals believe that only medication and carb intake are the only
>>things responsible for BG levels changing.
>
>Please don't misquote me Bill. I believe nothing of the
>sort.

Still think feeding the troll is useful?

--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1

In news4b9s3tb6d6qh7cf2hiq5j83bv0ev220qm@4ax.com,
Alan S typed on Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:20:01 +1100:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:00:33 -0600, "BillW50"
> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed
>> though the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most
>> medical professionals believe that only medication and carb intake
>> are the only things responsible for BG levels changing.
>
> Please don't misquote me Bill. I believe nothing of the
> sort.

Bull! You told me that controlling BG is easy! Control your carbs and
you control your BG. Sorry, but that is diabetes 101. It is far more
complex than that.

I have been doing experiments and eating during the testing less than 30
carbs a day. Yes it helps, but there are far other factors that comes
into play which I don't know nor does anybody else know them all either.

--
Bill
DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 04/2007 10.5
A1c 06/2007 7.4
A1c 08/2007 6.8
A1c 02/2008 6.3

In news:dvt9s3194v45c64kdf90fbj0nagjrhik9o@4ax.com,
Oleg Lego typed on Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:41:22 -0600:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:20:01 +1100, Alan S posted:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:00:33 -0600, "BillW50"
>> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed
>>> though the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most
>>> medical professionals believe that only medication and carb intake
>>> are the only things responsible for BG levels changing.
>>
>> Please don't misquote me Bill. I believe nothing of the
>> sort.
>
> Still think feeding the troll is useful?

What do you want, lowlife? If I show the quote that proves Alan a liar,
are you going to pay me $10,000? Do you too do your own research like I
do? I seriously doubt any of it. Why? Because you are nothing but a
totally idiot who can not debate anybody who does their homework.
Lowlifes like you should be in jail for harming millions of people.
Sadly, you are free to continue. Just like the other scumbags out there.
So make up all of the BS you want too. Those that do their own research
knows how full of it you are! Your credibility is nothing until you can
start to show some evidence for your claims. Care to bet me $10,000 now?

--
Bill
DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 04/2007 10.5
A1c 06/2007 7.4
A1c 08/2007 6.8
A1c 02/2008 6.3

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:27:05 -0600, "BillW50"
<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news4b9s3tb6d6qh7cf2hiq5j83bv0ev220qm@4ax.com,
>Alan S typed on Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:20:01 +1100:
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:00:33 -0600, "BillW50"
>> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed
>>> though the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most
>>> medical professionals believe that only medication and carb intake
>>> are the only things responsible for BG levels changing.
>>
>> Please don't misquote me Bill. I believe nothing of the
>> sort.
>
>Bull! You told me that controlling BG is easy! Control your carbs and
>you control your BG. Sorry, but that is diabetes 101. It is far more
>complex than that.
>
>I have been doing experiments and eating during the testing less than 30
>carbs a day. Yes it helps, but there are far other factors that comes
>into play which I don't know nor does anybody else know them all either.

I'm not entering into "you said, I said" match. Provide a
direct link to where I said anything as unqualified as that
to you or anybody else. Easy? I wouldn't ever say that.

I won't be answering you further, except to clarify further
malicious misquotes.

Alan, T2, Australia.

In news:nv6ks35q006s9e23u17u86ln8pfb09coeo@4ax.com,
Alan S typed on Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:18:33 +1100:
> On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:27:05 -0600, "BillW50"
> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news4b9s3tb6d6qh7cf2hiq5j83bv0ev220qm@4ax.com,
>> Alan S typed on Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:20:01 +1100:
>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:00:33 -0600, "BillW50"
>>> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed
>>>> though the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most
>>>> medical professionals believe that only medication and carb intake
>>>> are the only things responsible for BG levels changing.
>>>
>>> Please don't misquote me Bill. I believe nothing of the
>>> sort.
>>
>> Bull! You told me that controlling BG is easy! Control your carbs and
>> you control your BG. Sorry, but that is diabetes 101. It is far more
>> complex than that.
>>
>> I have been doing experiments and eating during the testing less
>> than 30 carbs a day. Yes it helps, but there are far other factors
>> that comes into play which I don't know nor does anybody else know
>> them all either.
>
> I'm not entering into "you said, I said" match. Provide a
> direct link to where I said anything as unqualified as that
> to you or anybody else. Easy? I wouldn't ever say that.
>
> I won't be answering you further, except to clarify further
> malicious misquotes.

Let's wait and see what coward Oleg Lego has to say about the $10,000
bet first! Once the coward backs down, I will be free to provide your
very harmful quote. I know it had hurt me very much and I am sure others
too. I am not afraid of the truth, but you do seem to not like the truth
at all. This bothers me very much. As if you don't like the truth, how
good can you be? I am being totally honest. As people who don't like the
truth are really just down right evil people. Do you disagree?

--
Bill
DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 04/2007 10.5
A1c 06/2007 7.4
A1c 08/2007 6.8
A1c 02/2008 6.3

BillW50 wrote in message speaking of Alans advice

>bet first! Once the coward backs down, I will be free to provide your
>very harmful quote. I know it had hurt me very much and I am sure
others
>too.

I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never does he
say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.

Cheri

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:55:16 -0800 in Msg.#
<J4mdnSO95PRVIlfanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:

> BillW50 wrote in message speaking of Alans advice
>
> >bet first! Once the coward backs down, I will be free to provide your
> >very harmful quote. I know it had hurt me very much and I am sure
> > others too.
>
> I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never does he
> say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.

I don't recall ever seeing what Bill is saying either.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhlI7BzRO3E

In news:nv6ks35q006s9e23u17u86ln8pfb09coeo@4ax.com,
Alan S typed on Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:18:33 +1100:
> On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:27:05 -0600, "BillW50"
> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news4b9s3tb6d6qh7cf2hiq5j83bv0ev220qm@4ax.com,
>> Alan S typed on Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:20:01 +1100:
>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:00:33 -0600, "BillW50"
>>> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't doubt this for a second! Lots of things are absorbed
>>>> though the skin. Although some people like our own Alan and most
>>>> medical professionals believe that only medication and carb intake
>>>> are the only things responsible for BG levels changing.
>>>
>>> Please don't misquote me Bill. I believe nothing of the
>>> sort.
>>
>> Bull! You told me that controlling BG is easy! Control your carbs and
>> you control your BG. Sorry, but that is diabetes 101. It is far more
>> complex than that.
>>
>> I have been doing experiments and eating during the testing less
>> than 30 carbs a day. Yes it helps, but there are far other factors
>> that comes into play which I don't know nor does anybody else know
>> them all either.
>
> I'm not entering into "you said, I said" match. Provide a
> direct link to where I said anything as unqualified as that
> to you or anybody else. Easy? I wouldn't ever say that.
>
> I won't be answering you further, except to clarify further
> malicious misquotes.

See file attachment.


--
Bill
DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 04/2007 10.5
A1c 06/2007 7.4
A1c 08/2007 6.8
A1c 02/2008 6.3

In news:J4mdnSO95PRVIlfanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@softcom.net,
Cheri typed on Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:55:16 -0800:
> BillW50 wrote in message speaking of Alans advice
>
>> bet first! Once the coward backs down, I will be free to provide your
>> very harmful quote. I know it had hurt me very much and I am sure
>> others too.
>
> I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never does he
> say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.
>
> Cheri

In news:0g1ms3pqbkorqf02fgdfc03heii0a847gn@4ax.com,
DonnaB shallotpeel typed on Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:55:40 -0500:
> In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:55:16 -0800 in Msg.#
> <J4mdnSO95PRVIlfanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
> <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>
>> I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never does
>> he say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.
>
> I don't recall ever seeing what Bill is saying either.

See:

In newsdckr3d0qmeqeihsgjl7df4bof8cat714d@4ax.com,
Alan S typed on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:38:23 +1100

Or my most recent post:

In news:47d6ac44$0$1344$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com,
BillW50 typed on Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:59:23 -0500

--
Bill
DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 04/2007 10.5
A1c 06/2007 7.4
A1c 08/2007 6.8
A1c 02/2008 6.3

OK, I still don't see what there is in Alans' post that would be
harmful? Perhaps you could point out exactly what is harmful to you or
others in his post.

Cheri


BillW50 wrote in message
<47d6b5a5$0$1340$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> ...
>In news:J4mdnSO95PRVIlfanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@softcom.net,
>Cheri typed on Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:55:16 -0800:
>> BillW50 wrote in message speaking of Alans advice
>>
>>> bet first! Once the coward backs down, I will be free to provide
your
>>> very harmful quote. I know it had hurt me very much and I am sure
>>> others too.
>>
>> I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never does
he
>> say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>In news:0g1ms3pqbkorqf02fgdfc03heii0a847gn@4ax.com,
>DonnaB shallotpeel typed on Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:55:40 -0500:
>> In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:55:16 -0800 in Msg.#
>> <J4mdnSO95PRVIlfanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
>> <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never
does
>>> he say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.
>>
>> I don't recall ever seeing what Bill is saying either.
>
>See:
>
>In newsdckr3d0qmeqeihsgjl7df4bof8cat714d@4ax.com,
>Alan S typed on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:38:23 +1100
>
>Or my most recent post:
>
>In news:47d6ac44$0$1344$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com,
>BillW50 typed on Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:59:23 -0500
>
>--
>Bill
>DX 2002 (ignored till 4/2007)
>A1c 04/2007 10.5
>A1c 06/2007 7.4
>A1c 08/2007 6.8
>A1c 02/2008 6.3
>

In news:T6SdnUIPLtgDWEvanZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@softcom.net,
Cheri typed on Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:47:12 -0800:
> OK, I still don't see what there is in Alans' post that would be
> harmful? Perhaps you could point out exactly what is harmful to you or
> others in his post.
>
> Cheri
>
> BillW50 wrote in message
> <47d6b5a5$0$1340$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> ...
>> In news:J4mdnSO95PRVIlfanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@softcom.net,
>> Cheri typed on Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:55:16 -0800:
>>> BillW50 wrote in message speaking of Alans advice
>>>
>>>> bet first! Once the coward backs down, I will be free to provide
>>>> your very harmful quote. I know it had hurt me very much and I am
>>>> sure others too.
>>>
>>> I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never does
>>> he say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> In news:0g1ms3pqbkorqf02fgdfc03heii0a847gn@4ax.com,
>> DonnaB shallotpeel typed on Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:55:40 -0500:
>>> In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:55:16 -0800 in Msg.#
>>> <J4mdnSO95PRVIlfanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@softcom.net>, "Cheri"
>>> <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't believe you. I've never seen Alan post *advice*( never does
>>>> he say this is the only way) that could hurt anybody.
>>>
>>> I don't recall ever seeing what Bill is saying either.
>>
>> See:
>>
>> In newsdckr3d0qmeqeihsgjl7df4bof8cat714d@4ax.com,
>> Alan S typed on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:38:23 +1100
>>
>> Or my most recent post:
>>
>> In news:47d6ac44$0$1344$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com,
>> BillW50 typed on Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:59:23 -0500

Hi Cheri! I have very carefully eaten the same foods, exercised the
same, and I have taken the same amount of insulin. I do this for my own
personal research. As I have learned that studies and doctors don't
always tell you the truth. And what I have found is about 70% of the
time, my BG can be closely predicted. Although about 30% of the time, it
cannot be.

The worst of it is that I also have found that my BG will stick from
anywhere fro