South Beach Diet Question

I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
of the number of carbs for each phase.

The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.

As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.

Any help would be appreciated.

Wendy

"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
:I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
: jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
: the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
: of the number of carbs for each phase.
:
: The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
: particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
: drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
:
: As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
: that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
: web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
: to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
: phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
: current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
: not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.
:
: Any help would be appreciated.
:
: Wendy

Hi Wendy,

While I don't do low carb all the time, I will going lower carb when I too,
want
to drop a few lbs that I might have gained from sitting on my tushy too many
days when I'm down with pain. Tomato juice isn't that high in carbs, it's
only
10gm for 8oz. I usually get the V-8 juice and doesn't taste too bad.

I can't tell you how many carbs there are in the SB diet. I won't follow
any real
LC diet.. I'll take parts of it and devise my own weight loss diet. For me
it's a
bit more complex in that when I go lower then 100gm a day, I have to adjust
my
insulin quite a bit because I end up with lots of lows until I get it right.

Usually for bfast I'll eat only eggs, in various ways with meat of some sort
and
2-3 various veggies. For lunch I'll do a green salad with fresh veggies and
some
sausage meat in there for the fats. And use a vinegarette dressing of some
sort.
Then for dinner, I'll eat any meat or fish and add 2-3 veggies instead of
potatoe
or rice. Desert isn't a problem, I just still stick with SF pudding or
jello or 2 small
scoops of Breyers ice cream.

I've found a good exercise for me because of my back is walking the living
room
and stairs 3-4x over a 2hr period, that way I pace myself and it's not all
at once
and the stairs are good cardio overall. Going down is harder then coming
up. <g>

Best of luck

Reisa

rk <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote:
: "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
: news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
: :I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
: : jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
: : the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
: : of the number of carbs for each phase.
: :
: : The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
: : particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
: : drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
: :
: : As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
: : that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
: : web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
: : to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
: : phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
: : current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
: : not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.
: :
: : Any help would be appreciated.
: :
: : Wendy

: Hi Wendy,

: While I don't do low carb all the time, I will going lower carb when I too,
: want
: to drop a few lbs that I might have gained from sitting on my tushy too many
: days when I'm down with pain. Tomato juice isn't that high in carbs, it's
: only
: 10gm for 8oz. I usually get the V-8 juice and doesn't taste too bad.

: I can't tell you how many carbs there are in the SB diet. I won't follow
: any real
: LC diet.. I'll take parts of it and devise my own weight loss diet. For me
: it's a
: bit more complex in that when I go lower then 100gm a day, I have to adjust
: my
: insulin quite a bit because I end up with lots of lows until I get it right.

: Usually for bfast I'll eat only eggs, in various ways with meat of some sort
: and
: 2-3 various veggies. For lunch I'll do a green salad with fresh veggies and
: some
: sausage meat in there for the fats. And use a vinegarette dressing of some
: sort.
: Then for dinner, I'll eat any meat or fish and add 2-3 veggies instead of
: potatoe
: or rice. Desert isn't a problem, I just still stick with SF pudding or
: jello or 2 small
: scoops of Breyers ice cream.

: I've found a good exercise for me because of my back is walking the living
: room
: and stairs 3-4x over a 2hr period, that way I pace myself and it's not all
: at once
: and the stairs are good cardio overall. Going down is harder then coming
: up. <g>

: Best of luck

: Reisa

Thaks, I just don't want to get backinto drinking juice in teh morning,
even reletively low carb tomato juice. I have thought of sub stitutng
cut up vegetalbes for the fruits I usually eat with my cotage cheese adn
skipping the wasa crackers I usually have with my eggs. I just would like
some numbers so I can carb count, which is what I was taught to do when
first diagnosed and which I find helpful. It has now become a part of my
automatic though processes and following "meal plans" without number
guides is more of a hassle to me as I want to substitue for many of the
set menus which contain stuff I don't or can't eat, including too many
carbs at breakfast.

I find stairs dreadful with my sciatica, and own is far worse than up as I
cana't easily see where stairs end, unless clearly marked. I do march
around the hus alot as well as walk to bus stops, etc with frequent stops.
I guess this is just my new way of life. Hpe yur back continues to
improve.

Wendy

While not a direct answer to your question about how many carbs for
parts of the diet, there is one way to find it indirectly. They have a
line of food products with the carb content on the label of course. One
could then deduce how many carbs are called for by looking at their
menus for the diet.

The initial phase of the South Beach Diet is good, but the later phases
which include sweet potatoes and sour dough bread don't work well for me at
all. Both of these foods jack up my blood sugar to unhealthy levels and
would put weight on me fast. I can't tell you the carb levels on Phase I,
but I would bet they're under 100 gr. per day--possibly as low as 60 gr.

I prefer Dr. Gottlieb's "Greens, Beans and Leans" diet. He's a cardiologist
who's designed a simple diet for diabetics, the obese, those with high blood
pressure, high cholesterol and coronary heart disease. His diet is FREE and
available in a pdf file (Adobe Reader) at this link:
http://www.greensbeansandleans.com/G...%20Booklet.pdf

Or, the smaller http://tinyurl.com/2m9heg

Dr. Gottlieb is a contributor to the DLife program.





"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
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>I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
> jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
> the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
> of the number of carbs for each phase.
>
> The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
> particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
> drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
>
> As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
> that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
> web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
> to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
> phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
> current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
> not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Wendy

On Feb 4, 10:09�am, "rk" <p_haha_med...@gmail.com> wrote:

> news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
> :I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
> : jump star me on a weight looging program. *I have read the bok and studies
> : the menus, recipies etc. *What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
> : of the number of carbs for each phase.
> :
> : The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
> : particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
> : drinking tomato juice every morning. *I have been off OJ for 20 yearsnow.
> :
> : As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
> : that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. *I went to teh
> : web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
> : to join and get spam. *Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
> : phases? *Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
> : current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
> : not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.

> I can't tell you how many carbs there are in the SB diet. *I won't follow
> any real
> LC diet.. I'll take parts of it and devise my own weight loss diet.

This is the best way to do it, Reisa. So many people are looking for
an easy fix and a magic formula that they forget about their
individual needs. It amazes me that some in here are real good about
telling others what to eat, but are overweight themselves and don't
seem to have any good exercise regime that is tailored for their
personal needs.

That is why I would never recommend the SB diet, the Orange Rind diet,
the Bananas on Thursday diet, or any other one size fits all fad. If
one can't find something that works for them then they need to seek
out a professional who will work with them until they can get their
eating, weight, and bg under control. Our bodies are pretty
complicated and most of the time an amateur - no matter how much they
think they know - can't get what they need from reading a book.

My advice to Wendy, or anyone else that is facing control issues with
food, is to find a nutritionist that can help them find something that
addresses their individual needs and works for them. Same goes for
exercise. That doesn't mean they have to pay someone for the rest of
their lives, but seeing a professional to get started on the right
path can pay huge dividends down the road.

Kurt

OK, so where did the nutritionist or the dietitian get their
information... if not from the same books I can read on my own? :-)

Cheri


Kurt wrote in message

<1170616079.278660.33620@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>...
out a professional who will work with them until they can get their
eating, weight, and bg under control. Our bodies are pretty
complicated and most of the time an amateur - no matter how much they
think they know - can't get what they need from reading a book.

On Feb 4, 10:46 am, "Uncle Enrico" <U...@nospam.com> wrote:
> The initial phase of the South Beach Diet is good, but the later phases
> which include sweet potatoes and sour dough bread don't work well for me at
> all. Both of these foods jack up my blood sugar to unhealthy levels and
> would put weight on me fast. I can't tell you the carb levels on Phase I,
> but I would bet they're under 100 gr. per day--possibly as low as 60 gr.
>
> I prefer Dr. Gottlieb's "Greens, Beans and Leans" diet. He's a cardiologist
> who's designed a simple diet for diabetics, the obese, those with high blood
> pressure, high cholesterol and coronary heart disease. His diet is FREE and
> available in a pdf file (Adobe Reader) at this link:http://www.greensbeansandleans.com/G...%20Leans%20Boo...
>
> Or, the smallerhttp://tinyurl.com/2m9heg
>
> Dr. Gottlieb is a contributor to the DLife program.
>
> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
>
>
>
> >I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
> > jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
> > the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
> > of the number of carbs for each phase.
>
> > The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
> > particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
> > drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
>
> > As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
> > that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
> > web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
> > to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
> > phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
> > current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
> > not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.
>
> > Any help would be appreciated.
>
> > Wendy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you for the interesting read, I note that Gottlieb seems to give
fairly equal consideration to restricting fat, carbs, and sodium in
the diet. He's definitely on the side of intake of dietary fat
correlating to high chloresterol levels in the body. This opinion
seems to be falling out of favor even in the mainstream media, an
observation I base on having read in the Sunday newspaper Parade
Magazine (of all places, LOL!) that dietary fats don't contribute to
high chloresterol. I limit fats myself, because I'm trying to limit
calories to lose more weight, but I don't know that a T2 at a healthy
weight would need to restrict fats quite so stringently.

On Feb 4, 12:03�pm, > > Kurt wrote in message
> *<1170616079.278660.33...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>...
> out a professional who will work with them until they can get their
> eating, weight, and bg under control. Our bodies are pretty
> complicated and most of the time an amateur - no matter how much they
> think they know - can't get what they need from reading a book.

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
> OK, so where did the nutritionist or the dietitian get their
> information... if not from the same books I can read on my own?

Funny. And they might have looked at the same books you (or others)
have, but a trained person studies MANY books - about nutrition, diet,
human anatomy, biology, etc. One thing they have over all of us is
being under the tutelege of professionals who have spent years in
their chosen field.

I suppose you could rebuild the engine in your car just by looking at
a book, but how would it run when you are finished? The human body is
a much more complicated machine than a car yet most people are smart
enough to let a professional mechanic work on their auto. I do think
it's imperative that we as diabetics become very involved in our care,
but there is a point where working with someone who is trained and
knows more than we do is most important. Even if I chose to try the
"South Beach" diet, I would want to at least be monitored by someone
who could recognize how that diet will and is affecting me.

South Beach Diet book.............................................
$14.95
Some basic home exercise equipment.........................$150.00
Working with a pro who knows your individual needs......Priceless


My opinion on things.....Even More Priceless!

Kurt

"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170623089.107436.88300@l53g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
On Feb 4, 12:03?pm, > > Kurt wrote in message
> <1170616079.278660.33...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>...
> out a professional who will work with them until they can get their
> eating, weight, and bg under control. Our bodies are pretty
> complicated and most of the time an amateur - no matter how much they
> think they know - can't get what they need from reading a book.

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
> OK, so where did the nutritionist or the dietitian get their
> information... if not from the same books I can read on my own?

Funny. And they might have looked at the same books you (or others)
have, but a trained person studies MANY books - about nutrition, diet,
human anatomy, biology, etc. One thing they have over all of us is
being under the tutelege of professionals who have spent years in
their chosen field.

I suppose you could rebuild the engine in your car just by looking at
a book, but how would it run when you are finished? The human body is
a much more complicated machine than a car yet most people are smart
enough to let a professional mechanic work on their auto. I do think
it's imperative that we as diabetics become very involved in our care,
but there is a point where working with someone who is trained and
knows more than we do is most important. Even if I chose to try the
"South Beach" diet, I would want to at least be monitored by someone
who could recognize how that diet will and is affecting me.

South Beach Diet book.............................................
$14.95
Some basic home exercise equipment.........................$150.00
Working with a pro who knows your individual needs......Priceless


My opinion on things.....Even More Priceless!

Kurt

Well NOT to dismiss the importance of working with a medical
professional....
BUT.................. many moons ago, we bought a old Honda that had a blown
head and tranny. Little did we know at that point, many other things were
blown
as well. Anyhow.. Mike's a natural born mechanic and has worked on many a
machines, auto and industrial. So, he picked up a Honda book, not one from
a auto parts store, but one that the auto mechanics use, which are 10x the
cost.
Well... he goes and tells me that it has several blown valves and that we
have to
redo all of them.. So.. little ol me, bored one day, went out and read the
chapter
on tapping and installing the valves and Mikey was one pissed of boy when he
got home from work and found wifey had done it... figured I'd mussed it all
up..
Then was proud of how smart is wifey was.... <g>

I've helped with rebuilding 4 engines from bottom to top.
7 trannys
9 heads
2 exhaust systems

I won't touch the electrical on a car.

So, yes you can pick up a book and read it, understand it and learn from it.
Not
everyone can... and many probably wouldn't fully understand what the true
meaning
was unless they had prior understanding and instruction in how to to
whatever it was.

rk

Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:
: On Feb 4, 10:09???am, "rk" <p_haha_med...@gmail.com> wrote:

: > news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
: > :I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
: > : jump star me on a weight looging program. ?I have read the bok and studies
: > : the menus, recipies etc. ?What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
: > : of the number of carbs for each phase.
: > :
: > : The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
: > : particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
: > : drinking tomato juice every morning. ?I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
: > :
: > : As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
: > : that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. ?I went to teh
: > : web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
: > : to join and get spam. ?Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
: > : phases? ?Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
: > : current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
: > : not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.

: > I can't tell you how many carbs there are in the SB diet. ?I won't follow
: > any real
: > LC diet.. I'll take parts of it and devise my own weight loss diet.

: This is the best way to do it, Reisa. So many people are looking for
: an easy fix and a magic formula that they forget about their
: individual needs. It amazes me that some in here are real good about
: telling others what to eat, but are overweight themselves and don't
: seem to have any good exercise regime that is tailored for their
: personal needs.

: That is why I would never recommend the SB diet, the Orange Rind diet,
: the Bananas on Thursday diet, or any other one size fits all fad. If
: one can't find something that works for them then they need to seek
: out a professional who will work with them until they can get their
: eating, weight, and bg under control. Our bodies are pretty
: complicated and most of the time an amateur - no matter how much they
: think they know - can't get what they need from reading a book.

: My advice to Wendy, or anyone else that is facing control issues with
: food, is to find a nutritionist that can help them find something that
: addresses their individual needs and works for them. Same goes for
: exercise. That doesn't mean they have to pay someone for the rest of
: their lives, but seeing a professional to get started on the right
: path can pay huge dividends down the road.

: Kurt

Kurt,

This aadvice I need like hole in the head.

20 years ago I lost 64-70 pounds that I have kept off, with small ups and
downs. since last fall I lost an additional 12 lbs when I had a period of
appetite loss adn want to resume the downward movement without being ABLE
to do a heavy exercise regemin. I have worked with nutritionists and
lately have found that they are of no help to me in loosing weight.

I am not planning on following any diet, jus tthe 2 week phases 1, which
is a very low carb intro that I hope will jump-start me so i can resume my
regular diet, with perhaps a little care around the edges so I can get
some more weight off.

I asked a simple question ab out the number of carbs in a particular diet
plan. that is all.

Wendy

rk <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote:
: "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:1170623089.107436.88300@l53g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
: On Feb 4, 12:03?pm, > > Kurt wrote in message
: > <1170616079.278660.33...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>...
: > out a professional who will work with them until they can get their
: > eating, weight, and bg under control. Our bodies are pretty
: > complicated and most of the time an amateur - no matter how much they
: > think they know - can't get what they need from reading a book.

: "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
: > OK, so where did the nutritionist or the dietitian get their
: > information... if not from the same books I can read on my own?

: Funny. And they might have looked at the same books you (or others)
: have, but a trained person studies MANY books - about nutrition, diet,
: human anatomy, biology, etc. One thing they have over all of us is
: being under the tutelege of professionals who have spent years in
: their chosen field.

: I suppose you could rebuild the engine in your car just by looking at
: a book, but how would it run when you are finished? The human body is
: a much more complicated machine than a car yet most people are smart
: enough to let a professional mechanic work on their auto. I do think
: it's imperative that we as diabetics become very involved in our care,
: but there is a point where working with someone who is trained and
: knows more than we do is most important. Even if I chose to try the
: "South Beach" diet, I would want to at least be monitored by someone
: who could recognize how that diet will and is affecting me.

: South Beach Diet book.............................................
: $14.95
: Some basic home exercise equipment.........................$150.00
: Working with a pro who knows your individual needs......Priceless


: My opinion on things.....Even More Priceless!

: Kurt

: Well NOT to dismiss the importance of working with a medical
: professional....
: BUT.................. many moons ago, we bought a old Honda that had a blown
: head and tranny. Little did we know at that point, many other things were
: blown
: as well. Anyhow.. Mike's a natural born mechanic and has worked on many a
: machines, auto and industrial. So, he picked up a Honda book, not one from
: a auto parts store, but one that the auto mechanics use, which are 10x the
: cost.
: Well... he goes and tells me that it has several blown valves and that we
: have to
: redo all of them.. So.. little ol me, bored one day, went out and read the
: chapter
: on tapping and installing the valves and Mikey was one pissed of boy when he
: got home from work and found wifey had done it... figured I'd mussed it all
: up..
: Then was proud of how smart is wifey was.... <g>

: I've helped with rebuilding 4 engines from bottom to top.
: 7 trannys
: 9 heads
: 2 exhaust systems

: I won't touch the electrical on a car.

: So, yes you can pick up a book and read it, understand it and learn from it.
: Not
: everyone can... and many probably wouldn't fully understand what the true
: meaning
: was unless they had prior understanding and instruction in how to to
: whatever it was.

: rk

Right on, RK! I learned crochet and needlepoint that way, from books,
also how to make bread, jams, ketchup and other preserved foods-no school
and not things my Mother taught me. I know lots about my nutritional
needs because I read a great deal of material on things that concern me.
What is th epoint of a fine liberal education if you can't use it when you
hit a new situation?

Wendy

Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com> wrote:
: The initial phase of the South Beach Diet is good, but the later phases
: which include sweet potatoes and sour dough bread don't work well for me at
: all. Both of these foods jack up my blood sugar to unhealthy levels and
: would put weight on me fast. I can't tell you the carb levels on Phase I,
: but I would bet they're under 100 gr. per day--possibly as low as 60 gr.

: I prefer Dr. Gottlieb's "Greens, Beans and Leans" diet. He's a cardiologist
: who's designed a simple diet for diabetics, the obese, those with high blood
: pressure, high cholesterol and coronary heart disease. His diet is FREE and
: available in a pdf file (Adobe Reader) at this link:
: http://www.greensbeansandleans.com/G...%20Booklet.pdf

: Or, the smaller http://tinyurl.com/2m9heg

: Dr. Gottlieb is a contributor to the DLife program.

Thanks for the advise. I already eat carbs at the between 60-100 level
and I am able to include fruitand things like Wasa crackers, small amounts
of lentils, barley, or beans occasionally. I want to try a short shot of
very low, like for 2 weeks to jump start adn then resume my regular diet
with less cheese, etc. the SB phase 2 is far to carby for me too, with
all those sweet potatoes, etc. It is not designed for a diabetic. I will
investigate the diet you recommended.

Wendy

x-no-archive: yes

W. Baker wrote:
> Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com> wrote:
> : The initial phase of the South Beach Diet is good, but the later phases
> : which include sweet potatoes and sour dough bread don't work well for me at
> : all. Both of these foods jack up my blood sugar to unhealthy levels and
> : would put weight on me fast. I can't tell you the carb levels on Phase I,
> : but I would bet they're under 100 gr. per day--possibly as low as 60 gr.
>
> : I prefer Dr. Gottlieb's "Greens, Beans and Leans" diet. He's a cardiologist
> : who's designed a simple diet for diabetics, the obese, those with high blood
> : pressure, high cholesterol and coronary heart disease. His diet is FREE and
> : available in a pdf file (Adobe Reader) at this link:
> : http://www.greensbeansandleans.com/G...%20Booklet.pdf
>
> : Or, the smaller http://tinyurl.com/2m9heg
>
> : Dr. Gottlieb is a contributor to the DLife program.
>
> Thanks for the advise. I already eat carbs at the between 60-100 level
> and I am able to include fruitand things like Wasa crackers, small amounts
> of lentils, barley, or beans occasionally. I want to try a short shot of
> very low, like for 2 weeks to jump start adn then resume my regular diet
> with less cheese, etc. the SB phase 2 is far to carby for me too, with
> all those sweet potatoes, etc. It is not designed for a diabetic. I will
> investigate the diet you recommended.
>
> Wendy

Wendy, IIRC, I think it's directly derivative of Atkins induction two
weeks, but with emphasis on saturated fat restriction. Atkins info is
out there for free all over the place. It calls for 20 carbs per day
for two weeks, from leafy things and dairy, mostly.

Susan

W. Baker wrote:
> I have been investigating using the South Beach diet,
initial phase to
> jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the
bok and
> studies the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is
some kind of
> eneral listing of the number of carbs for each phase.
>
> The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat
but the
> menues, particularly for breakfast are of little help, as
I don't
> want to star drinking tomato juice every morning. I have
been off OJ
> for 20 years now.
>
> As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts
carbs, i woud
> find that an easier method than following set menus ad
recipies. I
> went to teh web site and I woudl have to join before
asking a qestion
> and I don't want to join and get spam. Does anyone know
the carb
> number ofr both these phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it
doesns't
> look to different than my current diet except for the
breakfast, as
> morning insulin resistance is not th eproblem fo rthe
dieters the
> plan is set for.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Wendy

Wendy, you will need to take each meal component and check
the carb count in a book or some online carb counter. Plenty
of those online. For example look up 4 ounces of tomato
juice etc.Not much different to what you probably already
do. I can drink tomato juice at breakfast no problem,
doesn't spike me at all but you need to work South Beach
into your own personal carb limits per meal, which you
probably already know.

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>rk <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote:
>: "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
>: news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
>: :I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
>: : jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
>: : the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
>: : of the number of carbs for each phase.
>: :
>: : The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
>: : particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
>: : drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
>: :
>: : As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
>: : that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
>: : web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
>: : to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
>: : phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
>: : current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
>: : not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.
>: :
>: : Any help would be appreciated.
>: :
>: : Wendy
>
>: Hi Wendy,
>
>: While I don't do low carb all the time, I will going lower carb when I too,
>: want
>: to drop a few lbs that I might have gained from sitting on my tushy too many
>: days when I'm down with pain. Tomato juice isn't that high in carbs, it's
>: only
>: 10gm for 8oz. I usually get the V-8 juice and doesn't taste too bad.
>
>: I can't tell you how many carbs there are in the SB diet. I won't follow
>: any real
>: LC diet.. I'll take parts of it and devise my own weight loss diet. For me
>: it's a
>: bit more complex in that when I go lower then 100gm a day, I have to adjust
>: my
>: insulin quite a bit because I end up with lots of lows until I get it right.
>
>: Usually for bfast I'll eat only eggs, in various ways with meat of some sort
>: and
>: 2-3 various veggies. For lunch I'll do a green salad with fresh veggies and
>: some
>: sausage meat in there for the fats. And use a vinegarette dressing of some
>: sort.
>: Then for dinner, I'll eat any meat or fish and add 2-3 veggies instead of
>: potatoe
>: or rice. Desert isn't a problem, I just still stick with SF pudding or
>: jello or 2 small
>: scoops of Breyers ice cream.
>
>: I've found a good exercise for me because of my back is walking the living
>: room
>: and stairs 3-4x over a 2hr period, that way I pace myself and it's not all
>: at once
>: and the stairs are good cardio overall. Going down is harder then coming
>: up. <g>
>
>: Best of luck
>
>: Reisa
>
>Thaks, I just don't want to get backinto drinking juice in teh morning,
>even reletively low carb tomato juice. I have thought of sub stitutng
>cut up vegetalbes for the fruits I usually eat with my cotage cheese adn
>skipping the wasa crackers I usually have with my eggs. I just would like
>some numbers so I can carb count, which is what I was taught to do when
>first diagnosed and which I find helpful. It has now become a part of my
>automatic though processes and following "meal plans" without number
>guides is more of a hassle to me as I want to substitue for many of the
>set menus which contain stuff I don't or can't eat, including too many
>carbs at breakfast.
>
>I find stairs dreadful with my sciatica, and own is far worse than up as I
>cana't easily see where stairs end, unless clearly marked. I do march
>around the hus alot as well as walk to bus stops, etc with frequent stops.
>I guess this is just my new way of life. Hpe yur back continues to
>improve.
>
>Wendy

Hi Wendy.

You've seen me post this often, so this time just the link:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html

If you need a count, give me a recipe ingredients list and
serve size and I'll work it out for you.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:27:58 +1100, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
><wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>rk <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote:
>>: "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
>>: news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
>>: :I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
>>: : jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
>>: : the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
>>: : of the number of carbs for each phase.
>>: :
>>: : The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
>>: : particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
>>: : drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
>>: :
>>: : As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
>>: : that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
>>: : web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
>>: : to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
>>: : phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
>>: : current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
>>: : not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.
>>: :
>>: : Any help would be appreciated.
>>: :
>>: : Wendy
>>
>>: Hi Wendy,
>>
>>: While I don't do low carb all the time, I will going lower carb when I too,
>>: want
>>: to drop a few lbs that I might have gained from sitting on my tushy too many
>>: days when I'm down with pain. Tomato juice isn't that high in carbs, it's
>>: only
>>: 10gm for 8oz. I usually get the V-8 juice and doesn't taste too bad.
>>
>>: I can't tell you how many carbs there are in the SB diet. I won't follow
>>: any real
>>: LC diet.. I'll take parts of it and devise my own weight loss diet. For me
>>: it's a
>>: bit more complex in that when I go lower then 100gm a day, I have to adjust
>>: my
>>: insulin quite a bit because I end up with lots of lows until I get it right.
>>
>>: Usually for bfast I'll eat only eggs, in various ways with meat of some sort
>>: and
>>: 2-3 various veggies. For lunch I'll do a green salad with fresh veggies and
>>: some
>>: sausage meat in there for the fats. And use a vinegarette dressing of some
>>: sort.
>>: Then for dinner, I'll eat any meat or fish and add 2-3 veggies instead of
>>: potatoe
>>: or rice. Desert isn't a problem, I just still stick with SF pudding or
>>: jello or 2 small
>>: scoops of Breyers ice cream.
>>
>>: I've found a good exercise for me because of my back is walking the living
>>: room
>>: and stairs 3-4x over a 2hr period, that way I pace myself and it's not all
>>: at once
>>: and the stairs are good cardio overall. Going down is harder then coming
>>: up. <g>
>>
>>: Best of luck
>>
>>: Reisa
>>
>>Thaks, I just don't want to get backinto drinking juice in teh morning,
>>even reletively low carb tomato juice. I have thought of sub stitutng
>>cut up vegetalbes for the fruits I usually eat with my cotage cheese adn
>>skipping the wasa crackers I usually have with my eggs. I just would like
>>some numbers so I can carb count, which is what I was taught to do when
>>first diagnosed and which I find helpful. It has now become a part of my
>>automatic though processes and following "meal plans" without number
>>guides is more of a hassle to me as I want to substitue for many of the
>>set menus which contain stuff I don't or can't eat, including too many
>>carbs at breakfast.
>>
>>I find stairs dreadful with my sciatica, and own is far worse than up as I
>>cana't easily see where stairs end, unless clearly marked. I do march
>>around the hus alot as well as walk to bus stops, etc with frequent stops.
>>I guess this is just my new way of life. Hpe yur back continues to
>>improve.
>>
>>Wendy
>
>Hi Wendy.
>
>You've seen me post this often, so this time just the link:
>http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html
>
>If you need a count, give me a recipe ingredients list and
>serve size and I'll work it out for you.
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
>Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

I think that the complaint from Wendy is that Agatson doesn't give
recommended carb counts at all. He just tells you don't eat this food
at all but you can eat this. For example, if I recall stage 1
correctly, he prohibits dairy in the first two weeks. Wendys famous
yogurt/cottage cheese breakie won't work on phase 1. She is not
interested in many of the foods that Agatson recommends and wants to
work with food she likes. But to do that she wants a guideline of how
many carbs is a limit per meal for the diet. If I'm reading this
wrong, Wendy, I apologise for putting words in your mouth.

My memory of South Beach, Wendy, is that he doesn't appear to offer
hard and fast rules on carb counts/fat counts/protein counts. What he
does do is recommend ridding the kitchen of "bad" carbs and fats.
Which I think you already do. So, like you said, earlier, for two
weeks, you substitute your fruit/cottage cheese with egg beaters and
maybe some lox or some meat source and some veggies. I don't blame
you for not wanting to start up on juice if it is something that
doesn't offer you much satisfaction. I think that the tomato juice is
offered for its nutrient value and the fact that a lot of people just
cannot envision eating veggies for breakfast.

Sorry. There really doesn't seem to be a definitive answer for you
here.

Laura

Laura@notmy.com wrote:
: On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:27:58 +1100, Alan S
: <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

: >On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:33:58 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
: ><wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
: >
: >>rk <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote:
: >>: "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
: >>: news:eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com...
: >>: :I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
: >>: : jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
: >>: : the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
: >>: : of the number of carbs for each phase.
: >>: :
: >>: : The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
: >>: : particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
: >>: : drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
: >>: :
: >>: : As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
: >>: : that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
: >>: : web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
: >>: : to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
: >>: : phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
: >>: : current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
: >>: : not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.
: >>: :
: >>: : Any help would be appreciated.
: >>: :
: >>: : Wendy
: >>
: >>
: >>Thaks, I just don't want to get backinto drinking juice in teh morning,
: >>even reletively low carb tomato juice. I have thought of sub stitutng
: >>cut up vegetalbes for the fruits I usually eat with my cotage cheese adn
: >>skipping the wasa crackers I usually have with my eggs. I just would like
: >>some numbers so I can carb count, which is what I was taught to do when
: >>first diagnosed and which I find helpful. It has now become a part of my
: >>automatic though processes and following "meal plans" without number
: >>guides is more of a hassle to me as I want to substitue for many of the
: >>set menus which contain stuff I don't or can't eat, including too many
: >>carbs at breakfast.
: >
: >Hi Wendy.
: >
: >You've seen me post this often, so this time just the link:
: >http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html
: >
: >If you need a count, give me a recipe ingredients list and
: >serve size and I'll work it out for you.
: >
: >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
: >d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
: >Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

: I think that the complaint from Wendy is that Agatson doesn't give
: recommended carb counts at all. He just tells you don't eat this food
: at all but you can eat this. For example, if I recall stage 1
: correctly, he prohibits dairy in the first two weeks. Wendys famous
: yogurt/cottage cheese breakie won't work on phase 1. She is not
: interested in many of the foods that Agatson recommends and wants to
: work with food she likes. But to do that she wants a guideline of how
: many carbs is a limit per meal for the diet. If I'm reading this
: wrong, Wendy, I apologise for putting words in your mouth.

: My memory of South Beach, Wendy, is that he doesn't appear to offer
: hard and fast rules on carb counts/fat counts/protein counts. What he
: does do is recommend ridding the kitchen of "bad" carbs and fats.
: Which I think you already do. So, like you said, earlier, for two
: weeks, you substitute your fruit/cottage cheese with egg beaters and
: maybe some lox or some meat source and some veggies. I don't blame
: you for not wanting to start up on juice if it is something that
: doesn't offer you much satisfaction. I think that the tomato juice is
: offered for its nutrient value and the fact that a lot of people just
: cannot envision eating veggies for breakfast.

: Sorry. There really doesn't seem to be a definitive answer for you
: here.

: Laura

Laura,
You have hit the nail on the head. The diet says htere are no set amounts
for the fat and protein, as long as the fat is "good fats" and the protein
is mostly skinless chicken, fish, etc with only occasional beef. Remember
the good doctor is a cardiologis. It would be so much easier if I had
carb numbers for each phase an dnot have to calculate from recipes and
menus I don't want to find out what I can have that I do want.

Personally, I would love to have juice, even tomato juice every morning,
but after havign to suffer the withdrawal from OJ 20 ers ago, I don't want
to have to do this again. I am totally out of the habit of drinking juice
and the tomato would get me all "juiced up" again and might well spike me.
I don't want to risk it.

Wendy

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:37:36 +0000 (UTC) in Msg.#
<eq55kv$fkt$3@reader2.panix.com>, "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

> I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
> jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
> the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
> of the number of carbs for each phase.
>
> The phase 1 is clearly, lower in carbs than I usually eat but the menues,
> particularly for breakfast are of little help, as I don't want to star
> drinking tomato juice every morning. I have been off OJ for 20 years now.
>
> As a reasonably well controlled diabetic, who counts carbs, i woud find
> that an easier method than following set menus ad recipies. I went to teh
> web site and I woudl have to join before asking a qestion and I don't want
> to join and get spam. Does anyone know the carb number ofr both these
> phases? Looking at teh phase 2 it doesns't look to different than my
> current diet except for the breakfast, as morning insulin resistance is
> not th eproblem fo rthe dieters the plan is set for.

Have you been all over the website? I can't tell if the free areas give
enough info to be of great value.

And, I always have SB's peanut butter cereal bars around, with their
nutritional label available, as I love them.

--
DonnaB 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

"For someone who is all mighty you are very passive aggressive." - Joan to
God, JOAN OF ARCADIA, Season 1, 2004

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:37:36 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
wrote:

>I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
>jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
>the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
>of the number of carbs for each phase.

Maybe you'd be better doing Atkins, with its detailed instructions on
how to find out the carb level you personally lose at, and the level
you gain at, and therefore be able to use that info to tweak your diet
as required? Not that I ever got as high as the "carbs you gain at"
level, the bg complained first, but the process I did do was very
sound.

Nicky.

Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:
: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:37:36 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
: wrote:

: >I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
: >jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
: >the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
: >of the number of carbs for each phase.

: Maybe you'd be better doing Atkins, with its detailed instructions on
: how to find out the carb level you personally lose at, and the level
: you gain at, and therefore be able to use that info to tweak your diet
: as required? Not that I ever got as high as the "carbs you gain at"
: level, the bg complained first, but the process I did do was very
: sound.

: Nicky.

Thanks for the advice. I had turned to South Beach because I am concerned
about the nature of the fat I eat, preferring to only use modest amounts
of "good fats" adn thought that Atkins was less concerned about that.

Wendy

In article <k2bes2troc4qnkt2t9mhv3e8oeuefacqcs@4ax.com>,
Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:37:36 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
> >jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
> >the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
> >of the number of carbs for each phase.
>
> Maybe you'd be better doing Atkins, with its detailed instructions on
> how to find out the carb level you personally lose at, and the level
> you gain at, and therefore be able to use that info to tweak your diet
> as required? Not that I ever got as high as the "carbs you gain at"
> level, the bg complained first, but the process I did do was very
> sound.

Wendy, if you're just looking to kick start, the two-week induction
level of Atkins might be just what you're looking for. That's what it's
geared to do -- get you in a position to be off and running.

Priscilla

W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
news:eq5pn5$f3a$2@reader2.panix.com...
: rk <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote:
:: "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:: news:1170623089.107436.88300@l53g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
:: On Feb 4, 12:03?pm, > > Kurt wrote in message
:: > <1170616079.278660.33...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>...
:: > out a professional who will work with them until they can get their
:: > eating, weight, and bg under control. Our bodies are pretty
:: > complicated and most of the time an amateur - no matter how much they
:: > think they know - can't get what they need from reading a book.
:
:: "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
:: > OK, so where did the nutritionist or the dietitian get their
:: > information... if not from the same books I can read on my own?
:
:: Funny. And they might have looked at the same books you (or others)
:: have, but a trained person studies MANY books - about nutrition, diet,
:: human anatomy, biology, etc. One thing they have over all of us is
:: being under the tutelege of professionals who have spent years in
:: their chosen field.
:
:: I suppose you could rebuild the engine in your car just by looking at
:: a book, but how would it run when you are finished? The human body is
:: a much more complicated machine than a car yet most people are smart
:: enough to let a professional mechanic work on their auto. I do think
:: it's imperative that we as diabetics become very involved in our care,
:: but there is a point where working with someone who is trained and
:: knows more than we do is most important. Even if I chose to try the
:: "South Beach" diet, I would want to at least be monitored by someone
:: who could recognize how that diet will and is affecting me.
:
:: South Beach Diet book.............................................
:: $14.95
:: Some basic home exercise equipment.........................$150.00
:: Working with a pro who knows your individual needs......Priceless
:
:
:: My opinion on things.....Even More Priceless!
:
:: Kurt
:
:: Well NOT to dismiss the importance of working with a medical
:: professional....
:: BUT.................. many moons ago, we bought a old Honda that had a
blown
:: head and tranny. Little did we know at that point, many other things
were
:: blown
:: as well. Anyhow.. Mike's a natural born mechanic and has worked on many
a
:: machines, auto and industrial. So, he picked up a Honda book, not one
from
:: a auto parts store, but one that the auto mechanics use, which are 10x
the
:: cost.
:: Well... he goes and tells me that it has several blown valves and that we
:: have to
:: redo all of them.. So.. little ol me, bored one day, went out and read
the
:: chapter
:: on tapping and installing the valves and Mikey was one pissed of boy when
he
:: got home from work and found wifey had done it... figured I'd mussed it
all
:: up..
:: Then was proud of how smart is wifey was.... <g>
:
:: I've helped with rebuilding 4 engines from bottom to top.
:: 7 trannys
:: 9 heads
:: 2 exhaust systems
:
:: I won't touch the electrical on a car.
:
:: So, yes you can pick up a book and read it, understand it and learn from
it.
:: Not
:: everyone can... and many probably wouldn't fully understand what the true
:: meaning
:: was unless they had prior understanding and instruction in how to to
:: whatever it was.
:
:: rk
:
: Right on, RK! I learned crochet and needlepoint that way, from books,
: also how to make bread, jams, ketchup and other preserved foods-no school
: and not things my Mother taught me. I know lots about my nutritional
: needs because I read a great deal of material on things that concern me.
: What is th epoint of a fine liberal education if you can't use it when you
: hit a new situation?
:
: Wendy
:

I can also see Kurt's point as well. There are a few I've seen come
through,
who believe they are "know-it-alls" in point of nutrition when in fact if
anyone
would have followed they'd surely do major damage over time. I've sat down
and read Law books to the point of being able to defend myself in court and
WON.... would I do it in a major case.. probably not because that is beyond
my ability to understand the Law... but something small, yes, I was able to
comprehend. Hey won me a few grand.

rk

In article <eq7dab$j28$1@reader2.panix.com>,
"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the advice. I had turned to South Beach because I am concerned
> about the nature of the fat I eat, preferring to only use modest amounts
> of "good fats" adn thought that Atkins was less concerned about that.

Just because Atkins doesn't differentiate doesn't mean you can't when
doing Atkins. IIRC, the only *requirement* of induction is greens --
lots and lots of greens! ;-)

Priscilla

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W. Baker wrote:
> Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:
> : On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:37:36 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
> : wrote:
>
> : >I have been investigating using the South Beach diet, initial phase to
> : >jump star me on a weight looging program. I have read the bok and studies
> : >the menus, recipies etc. What I don't find is some kind of eneral listing
> : >of the number of carbs for each phase.
>
> : Maybe you'd be better doing Atkins, with its detailed instructions on
> : how to find out the carb level you personally lose at, and the level
> : you gain at, and therefore be able to use that info to tweak your diet
> : as required? Not that I ever got as high as the "carbs you gain at"
> : level, the bg complained first, but the process I did do was very
> : sound.
>
> : Nicky.
>
> Thanks for the advice. I had turned to South Beach because I am concerned
> about the nature of the fat I eat, preferring to only use modest amounts
> of "good fats" adn thought that Atkins was less concerned ab