Stevia

Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!

"Janl" <jan@whoknows.ca> wrote in message
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> Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!

Nope and I wouldn't. It's bad for you.

Hi Jan...

How long have you been a diabetic? Type 1 or Type 2?

Do you use a lot of non-sugar sweeteners now?

Stevia is a bit of a hot button issue... and we've found that many who
arrive here with no other self introduction other than either a question
about Stevia or a question on the safety of artificial sweeteners, tend
to be "trolls".

Not always. But usually.

So if you're not, don't be shocked by any rude responses you may get.

I try to give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

So I will direct you to this page:
http://www.cspinet.org/nah/4_00/stevia.html

And tell you that Stevia is used by many, but it is not approved as a
food additive here in the US or Canada or the EU. You can buy it at
health food stores as a supplement. Supplements are not bound by the
same regulations as artificial sweeteners.

It is a decision you'll have to make yourself.

Jennifer


Janl wrote:

> Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!

On Feb 11, 9:39 pm, Janl <j...@whoknows.ca> wrote:
> Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!

I asked the same question several months ago and was told it was
dangerous to use as a sweetener. I got curious and googled it... found
nothing that advised against using it, just that it was unapproved by
the FDA here in the States. The best info I got on it came from
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/stevia.html - kind of a weird
site but it gave what appears to be the whole story - pros and cons.
I've seen it in the health food store but haven't tried it cause I've
got plenty of other sweetners here that I rarely use anyway. When I
run out I intend on buying the Stevia. If I die from it I'll let you
know.

John

[Default] On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:58:47 GMT, "Julie Bove"
<juliebove@verizon.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>
>"Janl" <jan@whoknows.ca> wrote in message
>news:MPG.2039733851d4d1c0989695@news.telus.net. ..
>> Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!
>
>Nope and I wouldn't. It's bad for you.
>


yep, it's bitter, actually banned for sale as a sweetener in the USA
and Banned in the EU for concerns over safety.

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In article <HU8Ah.1114$tD2.1006@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
jenniferNOSPAM@earthlink.net says...
> Hi Jan...
>
> How long have you been a diabetic? Type 1 or Type 2?
>
> Do you use a lot of non-sugar sweeteners now?
>
> Stevia is a bit of a hot button issue... and we've found that many who
> arrive here with no other self introduction other than either a question
> about Stevia or a question on the safety of artificial sweeteners, tend
> to be "trolls".
>
> Not always. But usually.
>
> So if you're not, don't be shocked by any rude responses you may get.
>
> I try to give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
>
> So I will direct you to this page:
> http://www.cspinet.org/nah/4_00/stevia.html
>
> And tell you that Stevia is used by many, but it is not approved as a
> food additive here in the US or Canada or the EU. You can buy it at
> health food stores as a supplement. Supplements are not bound by the
> same regulations as artificial sweeteners.
>
> It is a decision you'll have to make yourself.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> Janl wrote:
>
> > Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!
>
>
No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.

yeah-sure says...

> I asked the same question several months ago and was
> told it was dangerous to use as a sweetener. I got
> curious and googled it... found nothing that advised
> against using it, just that it was unapproved by the FDA
> here in the States. The best info I got on it came from
> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/stevia.html - kind
> of a weird site but it gave what appears to be the whole
> story - pros and cons. I've seen it in the health food
> store but haven't tried it cause I've got plenty of
> other sweetners here that I rarely use anyway. When I
> run out I intend on buying the Stevia. If I die from it
> I'll let you know.

Let me know too. Stevia is the sweetening component in the
"natural" whey protein powder I use. Well, it's not listed
as a sweetener, but it takes the place of the artificial
sweenter found in the standard version.

In article <MPG.203be043e67ef71989697@news.telus.net>,
Janl <jan@whoknows.ca> wrote:

> No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
> old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
> just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
> sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
> how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
> seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
> yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
> been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.

I've been using erithrytol and xylitol for sweetener lately. Last night
I was mixing up my sugar-free Kool Aid for my fiber drink and used half
erythritol and half xylitol. Came out OK (after a little citric acid
for flavor booster). I don't get the runs from either, nor do I get any
after taste. Works for me, but I advise caution until you know if
you'll get side effects from it.

Priscilla, t2

its funny how taste buds change. I remember how much i used to hate the
taste of diet soda. I tasted regular soda not to long ago and now I
actually like the taste of diet coke and cant stand the taste of regular
soda.
I used to love my coffee very sweet. my wife used to ask why i dont just
pour the coffee into the sugar bowl. Drinking coffee with out sugar is the
norm for me and the taste does not bother me at all. once in a blue moon il
put a lil sugar in my coffee as a treat. for me tho if i have sugar in the
house I will use it in more than coffee. i guess the only time i have
sugar in my coffee is when i go out to eat or something.
good luck.... your taste buds will change if you give them a chance.
soon there will be new foods you cant wait to have again.

--
Tom

www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com



"Janl" <jan@whoknows.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.203be043e67ef71989697@news.telus.net...
> In article <HU8Ah.1114$tD2.1006@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> jenniferNOSPAM@earthlink.net says...
>> Hi Jan...
>>
>> How long have you been a diabetic? Type 1 or Type 2?
>>
>> Do you use a lot of non-sugar sweeteners now?
>>
>> Stevia is a bit of a hot button issue... and we've found that many who
>> arrive here with no other self introduction other than either a question
>> about Stevia or a question on the safety of artificial sweeteners, tend
>> to be "trolls".
>>
>> Not always. But usually.
>>
>> So if you're not, don't be shocked by any rude responses you may get.
>>
>> I try to give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
>>
>> So I will direct you to this page:
>> http://www.cspinet.org/nah/4_00/stevia.html
>>
>> And tell you that Stevia is used by many, but it is not approved as a
>> food additive here in the US or Canada or the EU. You can buy it at
>> health food stores as a supplement. Supplements are not bound by the
>> same regulations as artificial sweeteners.
>>
>> It is a decision you'll have to make yourself.
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>>
>> Janl wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!
>>
>>
> No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
> old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
> just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
> sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
> how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
> seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
> yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
> been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.

Janl wrote:

> No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
> old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
> just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
> sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
> how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
> seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
> yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
> been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.

Jan...

Depending on how sweet you like your coffee... why not try half sugar
half artificial sweentener? Not too many carbs, and maybe you can
slowly train your tastebuds and switch to all AS.

Worth a shot.

Jennifer

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:25:13 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:


>good luck.... your taste buds will change if you give them a chance.
>soon there will be new foods you cant wait to have again.

You are quite right about that, Tom. that has been my experience,
also..

Will, T2

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:49:31 GMT, Janl <jan@whoknows.ca>
wrote:

>In article <HU8Ah.1114$tD2.1006@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
>jenniferNOSPAM@earthlink.net says...
>> Hi Jan...
>>
>> How long have you been a diabetic? Type 1 or Type 2?
>>
>> Do you use a lot of non-sugar sweeteners now?
>>
>> Stevia is a bit of a hot button issue... and we've found that many who
>> arrive here with no other self introduction other than either a question
>> about Stevia or a question on the safety of artificial sweeteners, tend
>> to be "trolls".
>>
>> Not always. But usually.
>>
>> So if you're not, don't be shocked by any rude responses you may get.
>>
>> I try to give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
>>
>> So I will direct you to this page:
>> http://www.cspinet.org/nah/4_00/stevia.html
>>
>> And tell you that Stevia is used by many, but it is not approved as a
>> food additive here in the US or Canada or the EU. You can buy it at
>> health food stores as a supplement. Supplements are not bound by the
>> same regulations as artificial sweeteners.
>>
>> It is a decision you'll have to make yourself.
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>>
>> Janl wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!
>>
>>
>No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
>old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
>just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
>sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
>how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
>seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
>yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
>been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.

Not a comment on Stevia - but on flavouring coffee. I
crumble some cinnamon quill (stick) into the grounds when I
make the coffee. Adds flavour without sweetness.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco

--

Alf

Alc 11/6.1/<6 T2 DX 01/2001
150ug Thyroxine
75mg Aspirin
10mg Enalapril
600mg Ibuprofen
105/100/90kg

"alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco

It also has a TON of carbs in it.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>
> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>
>
I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
But I have very limited knowledge on the subject

--
Alf

Alc 11/6.1/<6 T2 DX 01/2001
150ug Thyroxine
75mg Aspirin
10mg Enalapril
600mg Ibuprofen
105/100/90kg

"Janl" <jan@whoknows.ca> wrote in message
news:MPG.203be043e67ef71989697@news.telus.net...
> In article <HU8Ah.1114$tD2.1006@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> jenniferNOSPAM@earthlink.net says...
>> Hi Jan...
>>
>> How long have you been a diabetic? Type 1 or Type 2?
>>
>> Do you use a lot of non-sugar sweeteners now?
>>
>> Stevia is a bit of a hot button issue... and we've found that many who
>> arrive here with no other self introduction other than either a question
>> about Stevia or a question on the safety of artificial sweeteners, tend
>> to be "trolls".
>>
>> Not always. But usually.
>>
>> So if you're not, don't be shocked by any rude responses you may get.
>>
>> I try to give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
>>
>> So I will direct you to this page:
>> http://www.cspinet.org/nah/4_00/stevia.html
>>
>> And tell you that Stevia is used by many, but it is not approved as a
>> food additive here in the US or Canada or the EU. You can buy it at
>> health food stores as a supplement. Supplements are not bound by the
>> same regulations as artificial sweeteners.
>>
>> It is a decision you'll have to make yourself.
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>>
>> Janl wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!
>>
>>
> No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
> old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
> just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
> sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
> how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
> seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
> yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
> been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.


Hi,

Having always had an interest in herbs, I made the same mistake as you did
when I first came here, and got jumped all over. Since then a lot has
happened, and I realize that these folks are quite rightly, FED UP to the
gills with scammers and spammers and all sorts of evil kinds trying to make
a buck off our illness. Stevia just happens to be just one of the hot
button topics that sets off all the alarms around here.

That said, all I can tell you is that I have read the pros and the cons
about the stuff. Some say it actually helps blood glucose and others say
it is overtly harmful to the liver. But the bottom line is that it tastes
bad. Splenda and Equal may not be the greatest, but they certainly taste
better than Stevia. I have tried the dried as well as the tincture, which
is usually the purest way to use any herbal product, and both taste bad to
me.

My suggestion is to do what I did. Learn to drink your coffee and tea
without any enhancements. You won't like it at first, but as time goes on,
you stop searching for that jolt of sweetness and get to enjoy all the more
subtle flavors of the beverage that sugar and other sweeteners mask. As
time goes on, you find that you don't even miss it, but expect it to be
difficult in the beginning, to get to that point.

--

Best Regards,

Evelyn Ruut

In article <equl6u$pu4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
alf <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> > "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> >> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
> >
> > It also has a TON of carbs in it.
> >
> >
> I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
> by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
> But I have very limited knowledge on the subject

What does your meter say?

Priscilla

Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
> In article <equl6u$pu4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
> alf <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>>> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>>>
>>>
>> I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
>> by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
>> But I have very limited knowledge on the subject
>
> What does your meter say?
>
> Priscilla

I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
My Alc was down on my last check up
But that could mean anything??

--
Alf

Alc 11/6.1/<6 T2 DX 01/2001
150ug Thyroxine
75mg Aspirin
10mg Enalapril
600mg Ibuprofen
105/100/90kg

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:08:59 +0000, alf
<alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
>> In article <equl6u$pu4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
>> alf <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>>>> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
>>> by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
>>> But I have very limited knowledge on the subject
>>
>> What does your meter say?
>>
>> Priscilla
>
>I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
>I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
>My Alc was down on my last check up
>But that could mean anything??

1/4 teaspoon is unlikely to have much of an effect. In fact,
for most of us 1/4 teaspoon of sugar or even honey in our
tea would have little effect either. It's when those
quantities get larger that effects may appear.

Having said that - I think you'd benefit from reading this:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

In article <YIsAh.937$_73.9@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> ,
jenniferNOSPAM@earthlink.net says...
>
>
> Janl wrote:
>
> > No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
> > old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
> > just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
> > sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
> > how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
> > seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
> > yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
> > been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.
>
> Jan...
>
> Depending on how sweet you like your coffee... why not try half sugar
> half artificial sweentener? Not too many carbs, and maybe you can
> slowly train your tastebuds and switch to all AS.
>
> Worth a shot.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
Thanks for all the replies. I am going to try and cut back the sugar in
my coffee a bit at a time - who knows, maybe I will be able to go
totally sugar free eventually. My sister thinks I am nuts putting sugar
in my coffee, but you should see how much cream she puts in hers and I
don't like cream (my butt doesn't like it is what I really mean!) I
drink lots of green and herb tea just plain and quite enjoy it.

Janl <jan@whoknows.ca> wrote:
: In article <YIsAh.937$_73.9@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> ,
: >
: > Depending on how sweet you like your coffee... why not try half sugar
: > half artificial sweentener? Not too many carbs, and maybe you can
: > slowly train your tastebuds and switch to all AS.
: >
: > Worth a shot.
: >
: > Jennifer
: >
: >
: Thanks for all the replies. I am going to try and cut back the sugar in
: my coffee a bit at a time - who knows, maybe I will be able to go
: totally sugar free eventually. My sister thinks I am nuts putting sugar
: in my coffee, but you should see how much cream she puts in hers and I
: don't like cream (my butt doesn't like it is what I really mean!) I
: drink lots of green and herb tea just plain and quite enjoy it.

You can also put a stip of orange or lemon peel(the colored part) twisted
into your black coffee for a different taste.

Wendy

"alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eqvtqh$bjq$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk...
> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
>> In article <equl6u$pu4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
>> alf <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>>>> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>>>>
>>> I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
>>> by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
>>> But I have very limited knowledge on the subject
>>
>> What does your meter say?
>>
>> Priscilla
>
> I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
> I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
> My Alc was down on my last check up
> But that could mean anything??

1/4 t. is nothing. Not likely to affect BG. Agave nectar is simply the
nectar from the agave plant. It's not fructose although it may well have
some natural fructose in it. Natural fructose is safe for diabetics in that
while it is in the fruit it is combined with other natural fruit sugars.
Might not be safe in that it can raise BG to unacceptable levels. Fructose
sold in the liquid form is NOT safe for diabetics because it has been
extracted and in and of itself can cause heart problems.

[Default] On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:49:31 GMT, Janl <jan@whoknows.ca>
Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>No I am not a troll. I am type 2 diabetic for 5 years now - 51 years
>old. I like 2 cups of coffee in the morning and hard as I have tried, I
>just can't drink it without sugar and I can't stand the other artifical
>sweetners such as equal or splenda. There seemed to be some hype about
>how good Stevia is. I googled and found many articles and most of them
>seem to indicate Stevia is safe. I did try a packet in my coffee
>yesterday morning and it did nothing - didn't taste like anything had
>been added. Thanks for the reply and the link.


try 1 packet of sweetnlow to 1 or 2 packets of equal, Takes just like
sugar to me.

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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
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[Default] On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:35:52 +0000, alf
<alfsemail@yahoo.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>>
>> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>>
>>
>I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
>by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
>But I have very limited knowledge on the subject


fructose is a form of sugar, anyone who told you it will not impact BG
is a liar and or a nutter.

--
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Type 1 since 1975
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Julie Bove wrote:
> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eqvtqh$bjq$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
>>> In article <equl6u$pu4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
>>> alf <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>>>>> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>>>>>
>>>> I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
>>>> by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
>>>> But I have very limited knowledge on the subject
>>> What does your meter say?
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>> I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
>> I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
>> My Alc was down on my last check up
>> But that could mean anything??
>
> 1/4 t. is nothing. Not likely to affect BG. Agave nectar is simply the
> nectar from the agave plant. It's not fructose although it may well have
> some natural fructose in it. Natural fructose is safe for diabetics in that
> while it is in the fruit it is combined with other natural fruit sugars.
> Might not be safe in that it can raise BG to unacceptable levels. Fructose
> sold in the liquid form is NOT safe for diabetics because it has been
> extracted and in and of itself can cause heart problems.
>
>
Thanks for the info
Like Wendy maybe I'll try my tea without sweeteners

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Alan S wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:08:59 +0000, alf
> <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
>>> In article <equl6u$pu4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
>>> alf <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>>>>> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
>>>> by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
>>>> But I have very limited knowledge on the subject
>>> What does your meter say?
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>> I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
>> I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
>> My Alc was down on my last check up
>> But that could mean anything??
>
> 1/4 teaspoon is unlikely to have much of an effect. In fact,
> for most of us 1/4 teaspoon of sugar or even honey in our
> tea would have little effect either. It's when those
> quantities get larger that effects may appear.
>
> Having said that - I think you'd benefit from reading this:
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Epidaurus

well, 1/4 tsp of sugar is little effect, but the muffin you eat with the
tea does !

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:39:42 GMT, Janl wrote:

> Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!


I don't like the white powder, but I do like the dried leaf. I just crush
it into a powder, or use the whole leaf for a slow-release sweet. It seems
to reduce my BG, tho I haven't really tested it.

As for the controversy, that's been discussed several times here. Imo it's
just a feud between two groups of people. If either product were really
harmful that would have become clear by now, as both have been used for
many years (in different countries).


Skinny
see old threads with Alan among others

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:22:48 +1100, Alan S wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:08:59 +0000, alf
> <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
/snip/

>>I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
>>I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
>>My Alc was down on my last check up
>>But that could mean anything??
>
> 1/4 teaspoon is unlikely to have much of an effect. In fact,
> for most of us 1/4 teaspoon of sugar or even honey in our
> tea would have little effect either. It's when those
> quantities get larger that effects may appear.
>
> Having said that - I think you'd benefit from reading this:
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm


Hi, Alan. :-)

If someone else hasn't mentioned this already ... some people can get an
immediate fingerstick metered spike just from the TASTE of sweet things.
Maybe it's a signal for the body to release stored supplies, knowing more
is coming. I doubt if such spikes would last long enough to affect an A1c,
tho.


Skinny

[Default] On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:11:42 -0800, skinny <no@none.com>
Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:39:42 GMT, Janl wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried Stevia? Any concerns or comments? TIA!
>
>
>I don't like the white powder, but I do like the dried leaf. I just crush
>it into a powder, or use the whole leaf for a slow-release sweet. It seems
>to reduce my BG, tho I haven't really tested it.
>
>As for the controversy, that's been discussed several times here. Imo it's
>just a feud between two groups of people. If either product were really
>harmful that would have become clear by now, as both have been used for
>many years (in different countries).
>
>
>Skinny

but which is actually banned? cocaine was and still is used daily
throughout the world. it was even used in sodas. that doesn't mean
it's safe to use outside of legit medical treatments. belladonna and
nightshade have also been used for centuries. use a better argument
than, it's always been done so it has to be okay".

>see old threads with Alan among others
oy


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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:17:55 -0800, skinny <no@none.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:22:48 +1100, Alan S wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:08:59 +0000, alf
>> <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>/snip/
>
>>>I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
>>>I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
>>>My Alc was down on my last check up
>>>But that could mean anything??
>>
>> 1/4 teaspoon is unlikely to have much of an effect. In fact,
>> for most of us 1/4 teaspoon of sugar or even honey in our
>> tea would have little effect either. It's when those
>> quantities get larger that effects may appear.
>>
>> Having said that - I think you'd benefit from reading this:
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>
>Hi, Alan. :-)
>
>If someone else hasn't mentioned this already ... some people can get an
>immediate fingerstick metered spike just from the TASTE of sweet things.
>Maybe it's a signal for the body to release stored supplies, knowing more
>is coming. I doubt if such spikes would last long enough to affect an A1c,
>tho.
>
>
>Skinny

That's a new one to me.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:29:01 -0500, Ted Rosenberg
<tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:08:59 +0000, alf
>> <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
>>>> In article <equl6u$pu4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
>>>> alf <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> "alf" <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:equa6a$i30$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>>> Have you tried "Agave". Its derived from cactus and sold in Tesco
>>>>>> It also has a TON of carbs in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I thought that Agave is Fructose and is broken
>>>>> by the liver and does not affect bg too much??
>>>>> But I have very limited knowledge on the subject
>>>> What does your meter say?
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>> I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
>>> I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
>>> My Alc was down on my last check up
>>> But that could mean anything??
>>
>> 1/4 teaspoon is unlikely to have much of an effect. In fact,
>> for most of us 1/4 teaspoon of sugar or even honey in our
>> tea would have little effect either. It's when those
>> quantities get larger that effects may appear.
>>
>> Having said that - I think you'd benefit from reading this:
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> --
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Epidaurus
>
>well, 1/4 tsp of sugar is little effect, but the muffin you eat with the
>tea does !

Hi Ted

True:-)

Welcome back. Everyone else seems to be mellower in 2007;
are you?

This is the first post of yours I've read in this thread. I
suspect I'll get my answer in one of the others:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

[Default] On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:17:55 -0800, skinny <no@none.com>
Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:22:48 +1100, Alan S wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:08:59 +0000, alf
>> <alfsemail@yahoo.com> wrote:
>/snip/
>
>>>I have never measured my bg for 1 cup of tea
>>>I put 1/4 teaspoon of agave in the cup
>>>My Alc was down on my last check up
>>>But that could mean anything??
>>
>> 1/4 teaspoon is unlikely to have much of an effect. In fact,
>> for most of us 1/4 teaspoon of sugar or even honey in our
>> tea would have little effect either. It's when those
>> quantities get larger that effects may appear.
>>
>> Having said that - I think you'd benefit from reading this:
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>
>Hi, Alan. :-)
>
>If someone else hasn't mentioned this already ... some people can get an
>immediate fingerstick metered spike just from the TASTE of sweet things.
>Maybe it's a signal for the body to release stored supplies, knowing more
>is coming. I doubt if such spikes would last long enough to affect an A1c,
>tho.
>
>
>Skinny


/- - - - - - - * - -/ <--bullshit meter active.


interesting, it takes at least 10 to 15 minutes for anything to
register on a BG meter after ingestion.

an instant taste from a spike? more likely someone needs to wash and
dry their hands properly before testing.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:18:46 -0500, Evelyn Ruut wrote:
> "Janl" <