supplements - what do you take?

[Frank t2]

<<<<<<<<<<< hugs! >>>>>>>>>>>>

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> a écrit ...
>
> " Frank t2" <[email protected]> wrote ...
>> Wow, Julie... how do you manage all that ?
>
> I have an oversized pill container with four sections for each day. I
> also take my prescription meds and an OTC GERD med. Takes me about an
> hour each week to portion it all up. And even then I sometimes screw up.
>
> Yesterday I forgot my morning meds. Went out to dinner. I always keep
> extra meds in my purse for dinner because it is the only meal I ever dine
> out for that I need meds. I don't take meds with lunch any more. So...
> I was going to take the dinner meds out of the compartment and put them in
> the pill box in my purse. Only I was so spaced out in realizing I forgot
> the morning meds that I took the dinner meds again! That was all of my
> diabetes meds twice. Not good since I OD'd on the Metformin and Januvia.
> Also took my dose of Amaryl too close to the previous dose. Got rather
> sick to my stomach and feared a hypo, so I gulped down some sugary cereal
> to counteract that. And then woke to 200 this morning.
>

[Julie Bove]

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..

> But do you find the Alpha Lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil
> effective at that dose in helping your neuropathy? I seem to remember
> that you said they didn't seem to be helping the neuropathy much. I
> ask because I take 300mg of sustained release ALA twice a day for a
> total of 600mg, and 2000mg of EPO, which does seem to help with the
> neuropathy quite a bit.

I was told to take EPO at 2000 mg twice daily.

[Julie Bove]

"Loretta Eisenberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> oy vey, Julie I can empathize with you. I would have probably done the
> same thing. I feel I am going low, I eat to cover it.
>
> I think diabetes is no longer a hobby, it has become a full time job

Yep.

[Alan S]

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:46:42 -0400, William Wagner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Conclusion: These
>observations suggest that glucosamine at commonly consumed doses does
>not have significant effects on glycemic control, lipid profile or
>levels of apolipoprotein AI in diabetic subjects after 2 weeks of
>supplementation.

Valid for me. Can't speak for others.

My dose is 1500mg. During my last trip I found I was in
increasing pain from my wrist while driving the manual car
through Europe. Initially I put it down to the different
arrangement of the controls and gearshift in the
left-hand-drive car but it gradually dawned on me that I had
arthritis.

It got bad enough that I had difficulty carrying bags in
airports and had to be very careful when pulling or pushing
on doors. If my wrist was at the wrong angle or I made
sudden movements the pain was quite sharp and high.

My wife was already taking Glucosamine and a poster here
(JDA or Eskimo Joe) was enthusiastic about the stuff so I
started on it myself when we got home. After three months of
1500mg daily the pain became a memory and now I only get an
occasional twinge.

I'm unsure about the value of my other supplements - but not
about glucosamine.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

[Jefferson]

Chakolate wrote:
> Jefferson <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>"Published data on quercetin pharmacokinetics in humans suggest that a
>>dietary supplement of 1-2 g of quercetin may result in plasma
>>concentrations between 10 and 50 micromol/L. Our data suggest that
>>
>
>
> But how much is good for you? I get a couple of slices of onion every
> day, is that enough to protect my eyes?

At the moment I can't give you a good answer. A Google groups search for
quercetin+"Quentin Grady" resulted in 196 threads -
http://tinyurl.com/2sxpov. I am giving a few excerpts. Perhaps Quentin
will come on the scene with a quick answer.

On March 4, 2002, Quentin wrote:
"Food sources of quercitin are widespread, apples, buckwheat, dill,
ginkgo biloba leaf extracts, grapes, pears, red wine, red onions.
For some reason onion have high bioavailability.

Vitamin C is said to enhance the effectiveness of quercetin."

"... While quercitin is a powerful antioxidant with an antioxidant value
of 4.7 compared to Vit C and Vit E of 1.0 that might not be directly its
most useful feature as far as we are concerned. It could be that its
inhibition of the aldose reductase enzyme that converts unused glucose
into sorbitol is far more important. Some organs like eyes do not
regulate glucose uptake with insulin."

"1: Am J Clin Nutr 2002 Sep;76(3):560-8

Flavonoid intake and risk of chronic diseases -
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/3/560

Knekt P, Kumpulainen J, Jarvinen R, Rissanen H, Heliovaara M, Reunanen
A, Hakulinen T, Aromaa A.

National Public Health Institute, Helsinki, Finland. paul.kn...@ktl.fi

BACKGROUND: Flavonoids are effective antioxidants and may protect
against several chronic diseases.

OBJECTIVE: The association between flavonoid intake and risk of
several chronic diseases was studied.

DESIGN: The total dietary intakes of 10 054 men and women during the
year preceding the baseline examination were determined with a dietary
history method. Flavonoid intakes were estimated, mainly on the basis
of the flavonoid concentrations in Finnish foods. The incident cases
of the diseases considered were identified from different national
public health registers.

RESULTS:

Persons with higher quercetin intakes had lower mortality from
ischemic heart disease. The relative risk (RR) between the highest and
lowest quartiles was 0.79 (95% CI: 0.63, 0.99: P for trend = 0.02).

The incidence of cerebrovascular disease was lower at higher
kaempferol (0.70; 0.56, 0.86; P = 0.003), naringenin (0.79; 0.64,
0.98; P = 0.06), and hesperetin (0.80; 0.64, 0.99; P = 0.008) intakes.

Men with higher quercetin intakes had a lower lung cancer incidence
(0.42; 0.25, 0.72; P = 0.001),

Men with higher myricetin intakes had a lower prostate cancer risk
(0.43; 0.22, 0.86; P = 0.002).

Asthma incidence was lower at higher quercetin (0.76; 0.56, 1.01; P =
0.005), naringenin (0.69; 0.50, 0.94; P = 0.06), and hesperetin (0.64;
0.46, 0.88; P = 0.03) intakes.

A trend toward a reduction in risk of type 2 diabetes was associated
with higher quercetin (0.81; 0.64, 1.02; P = 0.07) and myricetin
(0.79; 0.62, 1.00; P = 0.07) intakes.

CONCLUSION: The risk of some chronic diseases may be lower at higher
dietary flavonoid intakes.

PMID: 12198000 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

This article has been cited about 180 times - http://tinyurl.com/22hwxp

Estimated Dietary Flavonoid Intake and Major Food Sources of U.S. Adults
- http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/137/5/1244. This article
was published in May of 2007 and the full text will not be available
until May 2008. If I remember correctly, you at one time had computer
access to these articles through a college or university system.

Frank

[rk]

"Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]..
|
|
| My dose is 1500mg. During my last trip I found I was in
| increasing pain from my wrist while driving the manual car
| through Europe. Initially I put it down to the different
| arrangement of the controls and gearshift in the
| left-hand-drive car but it gradually dawned on me that I had
| arthritis.
|
| It got bad enough that I had difficulty carrying bags in
| airports and had to be very careful when pulling or pushing
| on doors. If my wrist was at the wrong angle or I made
| sudden movements the pain was quite sharp and high.
|

certainly doesn't sound at all like arthritis. instead sounds
more like carpel tunnel.

[Peter G. \(Bigbird\)]

"Jefferson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Chakolate wrote:
>> Jefferson <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>>"Published data on quercetin pharmacokinetics in humans suggest that a
>>>dietary supplement of 1-2 g of quercetin may result in plasma
>>>concentrations between 10 and 50 micromol/L. Our data suggest that
>>
>>
>> But how much is good for you? I get a couple of slices of onion every
>> day, is that enough to protect my eyes?
>
> At the moment I can't give you a good answer. A Google groups search for
> quercetin+"Quentin Grady" resulted in 196 threads -
> http://tinyurl.com/2sxpov. I am giving a few excerpts. Perhaps Quentin
> will come on the scene with a quick answer.
>
<<snip some good stuff>>

Another facet Quentin turned me on to is the synergy of Quercetin with
Bromelain. Bromelain is an enzyme found in pineapple that helps with muscle
ache. I find when I get achy, two caps, two or three times in 24 hours will
quiet things down for a number of days with no noticeable side effects for
me.

Funny, I never had back pain till Lovastatin, even at max weight over 500
lbs. Now I have almost constant low grade pain even though I've lost a third
of my body mass to date.

BigBird

[Alan S]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:52:12 -0400, "rk" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news[email protected]..
>|
>|
>| My dose is 1500mg. During my last trip I found I was in
>| increasing pain from my wrist while driving the manual car
>| through Europe. Initially I put it down to the different
>| arrangement of the controls and gearshift in the
>| left-hand-drive car but it gradually dawned on me that I had
>| arthritis.
>|
>| It got bad enough that I had difficulty carrying bags in
>| airports and had to be very careful when pulling or pushing
>| on doors. If my wrist was at the wrong angle or I made
>| sudden movements the pain was quite sharp and high.
>|
>
>certainly doesn't sound at all like arthritis. instead sounds
>more like carpel tunnel.
>
No, I was aware of that possibility. I've had the x-rays and
other tests since then; definitely arthritis. It was a dull
throbbing continuing pain which got sharper with sudden or
increased movement. Nor do I have any of the other symptoms
described by others here of carpal tunnel - no finger
movement difficulties, only the wrists. The wrists are still
fully mobile, not like the FS I had a while back.

Also, I don't recall anyone suggesting that glucosamine may
help carpal tunnel. Maybe it does, but I'm not aware of it.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

[Andy]

Piling on...

I take a multi-vitamin (Centrum somethingorother), Omega-3 fish pills
(from Nordic Naturals), and 2grams C (though we ran out so I've not
taken any the past week).

In the winter, I sometimes take Whole Foods' "Wellness Formula" when I
am either beginning to show signs of coming down with something or if I
have been around someone who has something as a temporary boost to the
immune system (I know that taking something like that daily is nearly
useless as your body gets used to it).

I also have been, on and off, doing a cocktail of flax seeds stirred
into 1tbl cranberry juice (pure, not sweetened) in a glass of water. I
forget where I found this one but I've been doing it awhile.

-A

[Chakolate]

Jefferson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> At the moment I can't give you a good answer. A Google groups search
> for
> quercetin+"Quentin Grady" resulted in 196 threads -
> http://tinyurl.com/2sxpov. I am giving a few excerpts. Perhaps
> Quentin will come on the scene with a quick answer.
>

Thanks, Frank.

Chak

--
We are at the very beginning of time for the human race. It is not
unreasonable that we grapple with problems, but there are tens of
thousands of years in the future. Our responsibility is to do what we
can, learn what we can, improve the solutions and pass them on.
--Richard P. Feynman

[johnniemccoy@]

"Jackie Patti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:46e39a4f$0$24578$[email protected]..
> johnniemccoy@ wrote:
>
>> 1 Multivitamin
>> 2 400mg Folic Acid
>> 1 100mg B1
>> 2 100mg Alpha Lipoic Acid
>> 1 1000mg Evening Primrose Oil
>> 1 250mg Acetyl L-Carnitine
>> 1 1000mg Omega 3 Fish Oil
>> 1 240 mg Milk Thistle
>>
>> Why?.... hell, I don't know. Everybody told me to.
>
> If you took every supplement anyone told you to, you'd be taking hundreds
> of pills a day. You'd have a full belly of pills before firing up the
> barbecue on Monday nights!
>
But this way, everybody can go around saying, "John took my advice. He's a
good boy."

John

[johnniemccoy@]

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
> johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ...
>
>>1 Multivitamin
>>2 400mg Folic Acid
>>1 100mg B1
>>2 100mg Alpha Lipoic Acid
>>1 1000mg Evening Primrose Oil
>>1 250mg Acetyl L-Carnitine
>>1 1000mg Omega 3 Fish Oil
>>1 240 mg Milk Thistle
>>
>>Why?.... hell, I don't know. Everybody told me to.
>>
>>John
>
>
> But do you find the Alpha Lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil
> effective at that dose in helping your neuropathy? I seem to remember
> that you said they didn't seem to be helping the neuropathy much. I
> ask because I take 300mg of sustained release ALA twice a day for a
> total of 600mg, and 2000mg of EPO, which does seem to help with the
> neuropathy quite a bit.
>
> Cheri
>
I have nerves that are dead, not damaged. They don't grow back. I wish it
were otherwise. I take ALA and EPO to, hopefully, prevent further damage.
The lyrica stops the pain so I can trot around in a dizzy haze.... humming
and giggling. People shout, "Stay away, stay away!"

John

[johnniemccoy@]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:92MEi.1616$qV3.1037@trndny02...
>
> "Jackie Patti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:46e2bd35$0$24578$[email protected]..
>> Currently, I'm taking a multivitamin/mineral (without iron), 4 grams of
>> fish oil, and 1000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. The multi is for general
>> health insurance and the fish oil vitamin D3 because I'm a heart patient.
>>
>> What do you take and why?
>
> I take quite a bit.
>
> PDA for digestion
> Fenugreek for glucose metabolism
> Milk Thistle for fatty liver
> Pterostilbene for the antioxidants and steady blood glucose
> Calcium, magnesium and zinc - allergic to dairy and need to supplement
> MSM for Fibromaylgia
> Ester-C and Bioflavinoids, needs to be taken with MSM for absorption
> Alpha Lipoic Acid for Neuropathy
> GTF Chromium for blood glucose
> Evening Primrose Oil for neuropathy
> Flaxseed Oil to balance the EPO
> Women's daily multi, take only one and not the three they say to take
> daily
> D3 Can't remember the reason for this but friend told me to take it.
> Green, White and Black tea for antioxidants
> B Complex because I'm always low on B vitamins
> Black Cohosh for female stuff
> Fennel for digestion
> Acetyl L-Carnitine for metabolism
> Eye Support Formula - mom has macular degeneration
> Momordica (bitter melon) as needed for high BG
> Four as needed for allergies
> Super Algae as needed. Use it for nutrition when I am not digesting food
> well,
You're crazier than I am, Julie -

John (hehe)

[Julie Bove]

"johnniemccoy@" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0V3Fi.3750$Ot1.3302@trnddc07...

> You're crazier than I am, Julie -

Gotta keep an eye on the clock. I run outside naked at midnight and shout
things I dare not repeat here.

[rk]

"johnniemccoy@" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:kT3Fi.3544$ed1.1557@trnddc05...
|
| "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
| news:[email protected]..
| >
| > johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ...
| >
| >>1 Multivitamin
| >>2 400mg Folic Acid
| >>1 100mg B1
| >>2 100mg Alpha Lipoic Acid
| >>1 1000mg Evening Primrose Oil
| >>1 250mg Acetyl L-Carnitine
| >>1 1000mg Omega 3 Fish Oil
| >>1 240 mg Milk Thistle
| >>
| >>Why?.... hell, I don't know. Everybody told me to.
| >>
| >>John
| >
| >
| > But do you find the Alpha Lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil
| > effective at that dose in helping your neuropathy? I seem to remember
| > that you said they didn't seem to be helping the neuropathy much. I
| > ask because I take 300mg of sustained release ALA twice a day for a
| > total of 600mg, and 2000mg of EPO, which does seem to help with the
| > neuropathy quite a bit.
| >
| > Cheri
| >
| I have nerves that are dead, not damaged. They don't grow back. I wish
it
| were otherwise. I take ALA and EPO to, hopefully, prevent further
damage.
| The lyrica stops the pain so I can trot around in a dizzy haze....
humming
| and giggling. People shout, "Stay away, stay away!"
|
| John
|

then if they were dead, you'd have no pain. i know from experience.
|

[Jolanna]

On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:17:17 -0500, Jackie Patti <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Currently, I'm taking a multivitamin/mineral (without iron), 4 grams of
>fish oil, and 1000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. The multi is for general
>health insurance and the fish oil vitamin D3 because I'm a heart patient.
>
>What do you take and why?

1. Multi-vitamins with anti-oxidents--most everything is 100% DV
2. 600mg Calcium with 200mg Vit D (the multi has 200mg calcium)for
Osteoporosis. I wonder if I need more calcium than one pill. I don't
eat yogurt or milk. What do you think?
3. 1200mg Omega 3 fish oil--I don't care much for fish; but I want the
omega 3.
4. 550 mg Potassium Gluconate--since Metformin and my BP pills get rid
of some of it
5. 250mg Magnesium--my multi has very little and I keep getting
foot/leg cramps.

--

Jolanna
DM TYPE II
Dx May 31, 2006
Lantus
Metformin

[Jolanna]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:26:08 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" <unknown at
whoknows dot us> wrote:

>
>
>1/2 standard aspirin before bed as a blood thinner. This way it's much
>cheaper than the "low dose" aspirin sold. With my total mass I figure it's
>more appropriate also.
>
>BigBird
>
I also take 1/2 a pill of generic aspirin daily. Although my LDL and
trigs are really good, I figure it can't hurt. And it helps with the
finger sticks to bleed.

--

Jolanna
DM TYPE II
Dx May 31, 2006
Lantus
Metformin

[Nicky]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:38:40 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I have nerves that are dead, not damaged. They don't grow back. I wish it
>were otherwise. I take ALA and EPO to, hopefully, prevent further damage.
>The lyrica stops the pain so I can trot around in a dizzy haze.... humming
>and giggling. People shout, "Stay away, stay away!"

<suspicion> If you still have pain - you have the potential to regrow
'em, n'est ce pas?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

[johnniemccoy@]

"rk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ieqdnRbkY_dTy3jbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@wideopenwest .com...
>
> "johnniemccoy@" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:kT3Fi.3544$ed1.1557@trnddc05...
> |
> | "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
> | news:[email protected]..
> | >
> | > johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ...
> | >
> | >>1 Multivitamin
> | >>2 400mg Folic Acid
> | >>1 100mg B1
> | >>2 100mg Alpha Lipoic Acid
> | >>1 1000mg Evening Primrose Oil
> | >>1 250mg Acetyl L-Carnitine
> | >>1 1000mg Omega 3 Fish Oil
> | >>1 240 mg Milk Thistle
> | >>
> | >>Why?.... hell, I don't know. Everybody told me to.
> | >>
> | >>John
> | >
> | >
> | > But do you find the Alpha Lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil
> | > effective at that dose in helping your neuropathy? I seem to remember
> | > that you said they didn't seem to be helping the neuropathy much. I
> | > ask because I take 300mg of sustained release ALA twice a day for a
> | > total of 600mg, and 2000mg of EPO, which does seem to help with the
> | > neuropathy quite a bit.
> | >
> | > Cheri
> | >
> | I have nerves that are dead, not damaged. They don't grow back. I wish
> it
> | were otherwise. I take ALA and EPO to, hopefully, prevent further
> damage.
> | The lyrica stops the pain so I can trot around in a dizzy haze....
> humming
> | and giggling. People shout, "Stay away, stay away!"
> |
> | John
> |
>
> then if they were dead, you'd have no pain. i know from experience.
> |
>
Our experience differs.

John

[johnniemccoy@]

"Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:38:40 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have nerves that are dead, not damaged. They don't grow back. I wish it
>>were otherwise. I take ALA and EPO to, hopefully, prevent further damage.
>>The lyrica stops the pain so I can trot around in a dizzy haze.... humming
>>and giggling. People shout, "Stay away, stay away!"
>
> <suspicion> If you still have pain - you have the potential to regrow
> 'em, n'est ce pas?
>
> Nicky.
>
Ok. I'll grow some more.

John

[Nicky]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:27:29 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:38:40 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I have nerves that are dead, not damaged. They don't grow back. I wish it
>>>were otherwise. I take ALA and EPO to, hopefully, prevent further damage.
>>>The lyrica stops the pain so I can trot around in a dizzy haze.... humming
>>>and giggling. People shout, "Stay away, stay away!"
>>
>> <suspicion> If you still have pain - you have the potential to regrow
>> 'em, n'est ce pas?
>>
>> Nicky.
>>
>Ok. I'll grow some more.

Not kidding. BTDT, got nerve feeling back again. Was bloody painful,
wouldn't want to do it again, required very stringent bg control - but
it can happen.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

[Julie Bove]

"Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> Not kidding. BTDT, got nerve feeling back again. Was bloody painful,
> wouldn't want to do it again, required very stringent bg control - but
> it can happen.

I remember those days. Spent about 24 hours in tears. The pain was so bad.
But then my feet got better! Well, somewhat better.

[[email protected]]

johnniemccoy wrote:
>> You're crazier than I am, Julie -

Julie Bove:
>Gotta keep an eye on the clock. I run outside naked at midnight and shout
>things I dare not repeat here.

Switch that run to mid-DAY and you can eliminate the Vit D supplement
(according to one of my nudist friends).

Port

[Julie Bove]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> johnniemccoy wrote:
>>> You're crazier than I am, Julie -
>
> Julie Bove:
>>Gotta keep an eye on the clock. I run outside naked at midnight and shout
>>things I dare not repeat here.
>
> Switch that run to mid-DAY and you can eliminate the Vit D supplement
> (according to one of my nudist friends).

Heh! They must live somewhere where there is sun! I'm in the Seattle area.

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

Frank t2 wrote:
> Jolanna,
>
> What EXACTLY helps with your cramps ?
> Are you convinced of it's 'efficaciousness' ?
> I get cramps, at varying times, in my feet, hands and
> and my Dr says I should exercise some more.
> He used to give me Potasium supplements but says
> I don't need them any more.
> My cramps say I DO need something.

Yeah, potassium.

If you're not taking anything that contraindicates it, you can get it
from potassium based salt substitute. Also take magnesium with it.

Susan

[Frank t2]

This I gotta see.

Your address, Julie ? )


"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> a écrit ...
>
> "johnniemccoy@" <[email protected]> wrote ...
>
>> You're crazier than I am, Julie -
>
> Gotta keep an eye on the clock. I run outside naked at midnight and shout
> things I dare not repeat here.

[Frank t2]

Jolanna,

What EXACTLY helps with your cramps ?
Are you convinced of it's 'efficaciousness' ?
I get cramps, at varying times, in my feet, hands and
and my Dr says I should exercise some more.
He used to give me Potasium supplements but says
I don't need them any more.
My cramps say I DO need something.



"Jolanna" <[email protected]> a écrit ...
> Jackie Patti <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Currently, I'm taking a multivitamin/mineral (without iron), 4 grams of
>>fish oil, and 1000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. The multi is for general
>>health insurance and the fish oil vitamin D3 because I'm a heart patient.
>>
>>What do you take and why?
>
> 1. Multi-vitamins with anti-oxidents--most everything is 100% DV
> 2. 600mg Calcium with 200mg Vit D (the multi has 200mg calcium)for
> Osteoporosis. I wonder if I need more calcium than one pill. I don't
> eat yogurt or milk. What do you think?
> 3. 1200mg Omega 3 fish oil--I don't care much for fish; but I want the
> omega 3.
> 4. 550 mg Potassium Gluconate--since Metformin and my BP pills get rid
> of some of it
> 5. 250mg Magnesium--my multi has very little and I keep getting
> foot/leg cramps.
>
> --
>
> Jolanna
> DM TYPE II
> Dx May 31, 2006
> Lantus
> Metformin

[Jim Chinnis]

" Frank t2" <[email protected]> wrote in part:

>Jolanna,
>
>What EXACTLY helps with your cramps ?
>Are you convinced of it's 'efficaciousness' ?
>I get cramps, at varying times, in my feet, hands and
>and my Dr says I should exercise some more.
>He used to give me Potasium supplements but says
>I don't need them any more.
>My cramps say I DO need something.

I had very severe cramps in my feet and/or calves near dawn for many weeks,
plus rare cramps in my hands. I tried magnesium, potassium, calcium in
various mixes, stretching to exhaustion of the stretch reflex, stopping and
starting various supplements. Nada.

What finally worked was extra resistance training at the gym targeted to
those muscles.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

[Julie Bove]

" Frank t2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> This I gotta see.
>
> Your address, Julie ? )

Shhhhhhhhhh! And no. I don't have a webcam.

[johnniemccoy@]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "johnniemccoy@" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0V3Fi.3750$Ot1.3302@trnddc07...
>
>> You're crazier than I am, Julie -
>
> Gotta keep an eye on the clock. I run outside naked at midnight and shout
> things I dare not repeat here.
I only did it that one night..... mosquitoes, ya know.

John

[Wes Groleau]

Jackie Patti wrote:
> Currently, I'm taking a multivitamin/mineral (without iron), 4 grams of
> fish oil, and 1000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. The multi is for general
> health insurance and the fish oil vitamin D3 because I'm a heart patient.
>
> What do you take and why?

For what it's worth....

All the minor aches and pains that I thought were just age....

Casually mentioned during an appointment for other things.
Doc suggested checking Vitamin D levels. They were low.
So I now take 50K units twice a week. I still have the pains,
but far less often.

--
Wes Groleau

Words of the Wild Wes(t) = http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW

[Alan S]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:47:33 GMT, Wes Groleau
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Jackie Patti wrote:
>> Currently, I'm taking a multivitamin/mineral (without iron), 4 grams of
>> fish oil, and 1000 IU of vitamin D3 daily. The multi is for general
>> health insurance and the fish oil vitamin D3 because I'm a heart patient.
>>
>> What do you take and why?
>
>For what it's worth....
>
>All the minor aches and pains that I thought were just age....
>
>Casually mentioned during an appointment for other things.
>Doc suggested checking Vitamin D levels. They were low.
>So I now take 50K units twice a week. I still have the pains,
>but far less often.

I'm slowly wandering through the heartscan blog. One of the
things he is very strong on is the relationship between Vit
D deficiency and cardiac problems.

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search?q=vitamin+d

I'm not sure that I would need supplementation, living where
I do. However, he is in Milwaukee and notes that almost
every patient he sees is deficient in Vit D.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

[Jolanna]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:09:28 +0200, " Frank t2" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Jolanna,
>
>What EXACTLY helps with your cramps ?
>Are you convinced of it's 'efficaciousness' ?
>I get cramps, at varying times, in my feet, hands and
>and my Dr says I should exercise some more.
>He used to give me Potasium supplements but says
>I don't need them any more.
>My cramps say I DO need something.
>
>
Frank...off and on for years I have gotten foot and leg cramps after I
go to bed. I would have to get up and stand to make it quit. And
sometimes it was so bad I cried and had to stagger with the cramping
to get Motrin and stay up until it took effect. The motrin did seem to
relax the cramps so I could sleep. They got better when I started
taking all my vitamins and calcium, and then added potassium last
year. But since i added the magnesium a week ago, I have not had any
cramps at all and my sleep is undisturbed. I buy my potassium and
magnesium at Safeway, the Nature Made brand.

Did your doctor take a blood test of your electrolytes? Advancing age,
diabetes, and a lot of other conditions can put the electrolytes out
of balance. I hope you can buy your own supplements without a doctor's
script, like we can here in the US. It won't hurt to try it. If that
is the reason for your cramps. But Statins can cause muscular aches,
maybe even cramps. Are you taking any? I am taking a tiny dose of
Lipitor; but it has no side effects for me.

--

Jolanna
DM TYPE II
Dx May 31, 2006
Lantus
Metformin

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

Jolanna wrote:
feway, the Nature Made brand.
>
> Did your doctor take a blood test of your electrolytes? Advancing age,
> diabetes, and a lot of other conditions can put the electrolytes out
> of balance.

I just want to mention that I have severe potassium depletion and must
take rx time released supplementation, but my blood tests have never
been below normal.

Sometimes it's in your body, but not enough of it is getting into the cells.

Susan

[Wes Groleau]

Alan S wrote:
> I'm slowly wandering through the heartscan blog. One of the
> things he is very strong on is the relationship between Vit
> D deficiency and cardiac problems.

Hmmm. Well, my taking it has nothing to do with cardiac
problems. Due to false alarms (chest pains apparently
related to thyroid levels), I have had just about every
type of cardiac exam there is, and everything is clean.

--
Wes Groleau

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns
it, and finds himself no wiser than before ... He is full of
murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having
come by their ignorance the hard way.
-- Kurt Vonnegut

[Grandpa Chuck]

Uh, why would someone else want to know what supplements I take and
why I take them? The question sounds a bit nosey to me.
--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.
END THE WAR NOW.
BRING THEM HOME.

Americans killed in the occupation of Iraq as of September 10, 2007 is 3,776.
United Kingdom = 169 Other = 129.

How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego?
Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it!

As of September, 13 2007 it has been 1597 days since Bush
while standing in front of the banner which was sent
to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our
allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well?
Pay attention to the frequency of American deaths since it began.


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair
Lewis

[Frank t2]

lol


"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> a écrit ...
>
> " Frank t2" <[email protected]> wrote ...
>> This I gotta see.
>>
>> Your address, Julie ? )
>
> Shhhhhhhhhh! And no. I don't have a webcam.

[Frank t2]

Thank you, Susan, I'll try to find some.


"Susan" <[email protected]> a écrit ...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Frank t2 wrote:
>> Jolanna,
>>
>> What EXACTLY helps with your cramps ?
>> Are you convinced of it's 'efficaciousness' ?
>> I get cramps, at varying times, in my feet, hands and
>> and my Dr says I should exercise some more.
>> He used to give me Potasium supplements but says
>> I don't need them any more.
>> My cramps say I DO need something.
>
> Yeah, potassium.
>
> If you're not taking anything that contraindicates it, you can get it from
> potassium based salt substitute. Also take magnesium with it.
>
> Susan

[Julie Bove]

"Grandpa Chuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Uh, why would someone else want to know what supplements I take and
> why I take them? The question sounds a bit nosey to me.

Curiosity?

To see if they are taking more than you are? Or less?

To see if they are spending more money than you? Or less?

To see if there is something they maybe should be taking but are not?

[Alan S]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:49:19 GMT, Grandpa Chuck
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Uh, why would someone else want to know what supplements I take and
>why I take them? The question sounds a bit nosey to me.
>--
>
>Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~

Maybe because they might wish to learn from your reasons and
experience?

If I think something's too nosey - I don't bother
resaponding.



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com