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  1. #1
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    I've finally caved in after so many doctors I have seen in the past
    kept telling me how Humalog is a so much better insulin than Humulin.
    I decided to give it a try.

    First, a little recap on my history-- I've been a T1 injecting insulin
    for over thirty three years. I started using a beef and pork mixture
    of NPH and regular. Eventually switching to Humulin NPH and regular
    when Eli Lilly stopped making the beef and pork stuff. At the advice
    of a doctor I was seeing within the past decade or so, I stopped
    taking NPH and switched to Lantus and Humulin regular.

    So the last couple of endos I have seen told me how much better
    Humalog was in that it only last four hours after injecting it. When
    I first started taking Humalog, I thought it worked pretty nicely.
    However, now I have encountered a scenario that Humulin is better
    suited for.

    I have made dietary changes to improve my overall health and well
    being. I have totally eliminated all dairy almost all meats. I eat
    lots of rice in various forms (especially rice milk). The issue is
    that I do need protein, so I have this large three pound container of
    rice protein powder that I pour in a blender with juice. Here lies
    the problem-- protein causes my blood sugar to go up much later after
    drinking. Well after the four hours that Humalog remains active in my
    system, my blood sugar will go up very higher than I'd like.

    I'm seriously considering switching back to Humulin, because the only
    way I can fix this issue is to wake up in the middle of the night,
    test my blood sugar, and inject more insulin if need be. I don't want
    to do that.

  2. #2
    Tim Shoppa Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Mar 7, 6:39*am, ja...@onepost.net wrote:
    > I've finally caved in after so many doctors I have seen in the past
    > kept telling me how Humalog is a so much better insulin than Humulin.
    > I decided to give it a try.
    >
    > First, a little recap on my history-- I've been a T1 injecting insulin
    > for over thirty three years. *I started using a beef and pork mixture
    > of NPH and regular. Eventually switching to Humulin NPH and regular
    > when Eli Lilly stopped making the beef and pork stuff. *At the advice
    > of a doctor I was seeing within the past decade or so, I stopped
    > taking NPH and switched to Lantus and Humulin regular.
    >
    > So the last couple of endos I have seen told me how much better
    > Humalog was in that it only last four hours after injecting it. *When
    > I first started taking Humalog, I thought it worked pretty nicely.
    > However, now I have encountered a scenario that Humulin is better
    > suited for.
    >
    > I have made dietary changes to improve my overall health and well
    > being. *I have totally eliminated all dairy almost all meats. I eat
    > lots of rice in various forms (especially rice milk). *The issue is
    > that I do need protein, so I have this large three pound container of
    > rice protein powder that I pour in a blender with juice. *Here lies
    > the problem-- protein causes my blood sugar to go up much later after
    > drinking. *Well after the four hours that Humalog remains active in my
    > system, my blood sugar will go up very higher than I'd like.
    >
    > I'm seriously considering switching back to Humulin, because the only
    > way I can fix this issue is to wake up in the middle of the night,
    > test my blood sugar, and inject more insulin if need be. *I don't want
    > to do that.


    I think you're more than a little unusual in having eliminated dairy
    and meats and switching entirely to "rice protein powder with juice".

    But it is not unusual to note that humalog's quick absorption is not
    well adapted to dealing with high-protein meals or other meal patterns
    that were easily handled with regular.

    Trying to switch insulins and expecting everything to magically be
    better when you had previously altered your diet to meet the
    absorption curve of other insulins won't work. You need to do
    something to either alter your insulin absorption (going "back" to
    regular, doing some R and N in addition to the humalog, going to a
    pump) or alter your diet to fit the insulin.

    Certainly a pump offers the most flexibility in insulin delivery.

    Humalog doesn't magically make everything better. I spent some time
    adjusting everything when I switched from R+N to Humalog + Lantus. I
    am happier now but it was not an instant adjustment, and I had to
    change some of my previous eating habits that I had built around my R
    +N - in every case the changes in eating habits were for the better,
    but it took a while to unlearn them.

    Tim.

  3. #3
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 06:39:02 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I think you're more than a little unusual in having eliminated dairy
    >and meats and switching entirely to "rice protein powder with juice".


    I have stopped drinking milk many years ago. My alternative to cow's
    milk is rice milk. Recently, I have eliminated every form of dairy
    product from my diet (cheese, yogurt, etc).

    I think you're more than a little unusual in thinking that a
    vegetarian diet is more than a little unusual :-)

    >But it is not unusual to note that humalog's quick absorption is not
    >well adapted to dealing with high-protein meals or other meal patterns
    >that were easily handled with regular.


    >Trying to switch insulins and expecting everything to magically be
    >better when you had previously altered your diet to meet the
    >absorption curve of other insulins won't work. You need to do
    >something to either alter your insulin absorption (going "back" to
    >regular, doing some R and N in addition to the humalog, going to a
    >pump) or alter your diet to fit the insulin.


    Two endocrinologists I have seen (granted, with limited experience in
    the practice) are the ones who have told me that Humalog is a much
    better insulin than Humulin regular. My findings are showing that it
    is not a much better insulin.

    >Certainly a pump offers the most flexibility in insulin delivery.


    You need to do some explaining on this one, because I do not
    understand this at all. My understanding with a pump is that the user
    must control it and make changes to what it is currently doing via
    blood sugar testing as well as planned meals. There is not a pump
    that automatically does anything.

    How would a pump help me in this scenario then? My blood sugar will
    go up in around five hours after drinking my protein juice. I need to
    tell the pump to start sending more insulin, correct? I do not see
    how this will improve anything I am currently doing.


    >Humalog doesn't magically make everything better. I spent some time
    >adjusting everything when I switched from R+N to Humalog + Lantus. I
    >am happier now but it was not an instant adjustment, and I had to
    >change some of my previous eating habits that I had built around my R
    >+N - in every case the changes in eating habits were for the better,
    >but it took a while to unlearn them.
    >
    >Tim.


    I like Humalog in all other cases but this one. It looks like I will
    have to start buying Humilin again too.

  4. #4
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:39:55 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    >I'm seriously considering switching back to Humulin, because the only
    >way I can fix this issue is to wake up in the middle of the night,
    >test my blood sugar, and inject more insulin if need be. I don't want
    >to do that.


    I found a solution--

    I purchased a vial of Humulin R a few days ago and now inject it prior
    to dinner. This covers me during the night where Humalog failed to do
    so.

    Unfortunately, I no longer had a prescription for this stuff, so I
    purchased it over the counter. Lilly raised prices for this since the
    last time I bought it. I now costs $42 USD instead of $28 USD I was
    expecting. This price increase is ridiculous.


  5. #5
    Tiger_Lily Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:39:55 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> I'm seriously considering switching back to Humulin, because the only
    >> way I can fix this issue is to wake up in the middle of the night,
    >> test my blood sugar, and inject more insulin if need be. I don't want
    >> to do that.

    >
    > I found a solution--
    >
    > I purchased a vial of Humulin R a few days ago and now inject it prior
    > to dinner. This covers me during the night where Humalog failed to do
    > so.
    >
    > Unfortunately, I no longer had a prescription for this stuff, so I
    > purchased it over the counter. Lilly raised prices for this since the
    > last time I bought it. I now costs $42 USD instead of $28 USD I was
    > expecting. This price increase is ridiculous.
    >

    you can buy WalMart's generic R insulin for a LOT less than $42
    (in the US at least)

  6. #6
    Jefferson Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    Tiger_Lily wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:


    >> I found a solution--
    >>
    >> I purchased a vial of Humulin R a few days ago and now inject it prior
    >> to dinner. This covers me during the night where Humalog failed to do
    >> so.
    >>
    >> Unfortunately, I no longer had a prescription for this stuff, so I
    >> purchased it over the counter. Lilly raised prices for this since the
    >> last time I bought it. I now costs $42 USD instead of $28 USD I was
    >> expecting. This price increase is ridiculous.
    >>

    > you can buy WalMart's generic R insulin for a LOT less than $42
    > (in the US at least)


    Yes, WalMart's Relion R insulin is near $22 a vial.

    Frank



  7. #7
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:57:38 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:

    >you can buy WalMart's generic R insulin for a LOT less than $42
    >(in the US at least)


    Thanks for the tip. I wonder if my dosage amounts would change much
    by switching. Do you know if it has the same characteristics as
    Lilly's Humilin R? (last for about eight hours with a twenty minute
    wait prior to eating?)

  8. #8
    percy Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:57:38 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> you can buy WalMart's generic R insulin for a LOT less than $42
    >> (in the US at least)

    >
    > Thanks for the tip. I wonder if my dosage amounts would change much
    > by switching. Do you know if it has the same characteristics as
    > Lilly's Humilin R? (last for about eight hours with a twenty minute
    > wait prior to eating?)


    #1, probably not. #2, Yes.

    I've used both Novolin (same as WalMart stuff) and Humulin Regular in
    the past and found them exactly the same. I'm not you, so I strongly
    suggest extra testing to confirm it works similarly in you.

    Expect some antibody action to flare up when going back to an insulin
    you've already used. You may find a slower onset of action and/or a
    shorter duration of action of the R insulin than before once your body
    realizes what's going on. This will depend on your antibody titer and
    except for changing how the insulin works for you now, isn't really
    something to worry about.


    Vicki

  9. #9
    Tiger_Lily Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:57:38 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> you can buy WalMart's generic R insulin for a LOT less than $42
    >> (in the US at least)

    >
    > Thanks for the tip. I wonder if my dosage amounts would change much
    > by switching. Do you know if it has the same characteristics as
    > Lilly's Humilin R? (last for about eight hours with a twenty minute
    > wait prior to eating?)

    all of the R insulins have about the same activity profile
    i even think that Novo makes the WalMart brand insulin

  10. #10
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:35:30 -0400, percy <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >> Thanks for the tip. I wonder if my dosage amounts would change much
    >> by switching. Do you know if it has the same characteristics as
    >> Lilly's Humilin R? (last for about eight hours with a twenty minute
    >> wait prior to eating?)

    >
    >#1, probably not. #2, Yes.
    >
    >I've used both Novolin (same as WalMart stuff) and Humulin Regular in
    >the past and found them exactly the same. I'm not you, so I strongly
    >suggest extra testing to confirm it works similarly in you.
    >
    >Expect some antibody action to flare up when going back to an insulin
    >you've already used. You may find a slower onset of action and/or a
    >shorter duration of action of the R insulin than before once your body
    >realizes what's going on. This will depend on your antibody titer and
    >except for changing how the insulin works for you now, isn't really
    >something to worry about.
    >
    >
    >Vicki


    Thanks. I have not yet noticed a difference than my previous
    experience with Humulin. Then again, I have only been taking Humalog
    for a little over one month. So far, it is working very well. I am
    still taking Humalog, but only with breakfast and possibly lunch.

    Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    than I did previously.

    Time will tell though.

  11. #11
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    >My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    >dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    >than I did previously.


    Interestingly enough, I need to inject quite a bit less Humulin R than
    Humalog R. Humulin seems to work better than Humalog for me. Perhaps
    this is related to the length of time I have been using Humulin as
    opposed to Humalog. Hmm.

  12. #12
    Tiger_Lily Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    >> My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    >> dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    >> than I did previously.

    >
    > Interestingly enough, I need to inject quite a bit less Humulin R than
    > Humalog R. Humulin seems to work better than Humalog for me. Perhaps
    > this is related to the length of time I have been using Humulin as
    > opposed to Humalog. Hmm.


    there is no such thing as Humalog R........... Humalog is one of the
    very rapid analogue insulins that are made

    maybe you have delayed gastric emptying for humulin R to match the bg
    profile

  13. #13
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:13:05 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    >>My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    >>dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    >>than I did previously.

    >
    >Interestingly enough, I need to inject quite a bit less Humulin R than
    >Humalog R. Humulin seems to work better than Humalog for me. Perhaps
    >this is related to the length of time I have been using Humulin as
    >opposed to Humalog. Hmm.



    Humalog and Humulin are nothing alike and attempting to make a 1 to 1
    swap when switching between the two can be incredibly dangerous.

    Humulin R and Novolin R are identical just made by different companies
    and can be swapped 1 to 1 in dose.

    NEVER confuse Humalog with ANY brand of R insulin.

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  14. #14
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:22 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:13:05 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>>Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    >>>My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    >>>dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    >>>than I did previously.

    >>
    >>Interestingly enough, I need to inject quite a bit less Humulin R than
    >>Humalog R. Humulin seems to work better than Humalog for me. Perhaps
    >>this is related to the length of time I have been using Humulin as
    >>opposed to Humalog. Hmm.

    >
    >
    >Humalog and Humulin are nothing alike and attempting to make a 1 to 1
    >swap when switching between the two can be incredibly dangerous.
    >
    >Humulin R and Novolin R are identical just made by different companies
    >and can be swapped 1 to 1 in dose.
    >
    >NEVER confuse Humalog with ANY brand of R insulin.


    I strongly recommend you stick to a good doctor when
    changing insulin. Very few here are qualified except
    in a general way about the insulins.

    I would never offer exact advice. A good doctor would have
    to see you and have some history to make any changes.

    If you are technically qualified, You would have to gather a lot of
    data and do a lot of testing before you go too far. It is not
    an amatuer venture.

    If I could start over, I would find the most qualified endo
    I could find that does all of the associated testing to
    identify my case. Guessing does not compute.






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  15. #15
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:38:22 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:22 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:13:05 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    >>>>My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    >>>>dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    >>>>than I did previously.
    >>>
    >>>Interestingly enough, I need to inject quite a bit less Humulin R than
    >>>Humalog R. Humulin seems to work better than Humalog for me. Perhaps
    >>>this is related to the length of time I have been using Humulin as
    >>>opposed to Humalog. Hmm.

    >>
    >>
    >>Humalog and Humulin are nothing alike and attempting to make a 1 to 1
    >>swap when switching between the two can be incredibly dangerous.
    >>
    >>Humulin R and Novolin R are identical just made by different companies
    >>and can be swapped 1 to 1 in dose.
    >>
    >>NEVER confuse Humalog with ANY brand of R insulin.

    >
    >I strongly recommend you stick to a good doctor when
    >changing insulin. Very few here are qualified except
    >in a general way about the insulins.
    >
    >I would never offer exact advice. A good doctor would have
    >to see you and have some history to make any changes.
    >
    >If you are technically qualified, You would have to gather a lot of
    >data and do a lot of testing before you go too far. It is not
    >an amatuer venture.
    >
    >If I could start over, I would find the most qualified endo
    >I could find that does all of the associated testing to
    >identify my case. Guessing does not compute.
    >
    >


    1. I've switched between the three types.
    2. I have an endo.
    3. all the tests to identify my type of diabetes were done when I was
    eight.

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  16. #16
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:14:14 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:38:22 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:22 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:13:05 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    >>>>>My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    >>>>>dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    >>>>>than I did previously.
    >>>>
    >>>>Interestingly enough, I need to inject quite a bit less Humulin R than
    >>>>Humalog R. Humulin seems to work better than Humalog for me. Perhaps
    >>>>this is related to the length of time I have been using Humulin as
    >>>>opposed to Humalog. Hmm.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Humalog and Humulin are nothing alike and attempting to make a 1 to 1
    >>>swap when switching between the two can be incredibly dangerous.
    >>>
    >>>Humulin R and Novolin R are identical just made by different companies
    >>>and can be swapped 1 to 1 in dose.
    >>>
    >>>NEVER confuse Humalog with ANY brand of R insulin.

    >>
    >>I strongly recommend you stick to a good doctor when
    >>changing insulin. Very few here are qualified except
    >>in a general way about the insulins.
    >>
    >>I would never offer exact advice. A good doctor would have
    >>to see you and have some history to make any changes.
    >>
    >>If you are technically qualified, You would have to gather a lot of
    >>data and do a lot of testing before you go too far. It is not
    >>an amatuer venture.
    >>
    >>If I could start over, I would find the most qualified endo
    >>I could find that does all of the associated testing to
    >>identify my case. Guessing does not compute.


    I didn't receive this reply from [email protected]. I think my
    newsgroup provider may have filtered it for some reason (I don't see
    any of Chungs posts, probably because he cross-posts like a mad man).
    Anyway, the original switch from Humulin to Humalog was from my
    doctor. I don't see my doctor again until next month, and my switch
    back to Humulin was due to Humalog not being able to lower my blood
    sugar. When my blood sugar was 100 at 11PM before going to sleep, and
    367 at 5AM when waking up due to having to go to the bathroom, it's
    obvious that Humalog is not working for me. I will not repeat having
    my blood sugar that high due to ineffective insulin. My health and
    well being is really my responsibility.

    With that being stated and the case that I have not been taking
    Humalog for very long, switching back to Humulin only makes sense. At
    least at night where its activity is much longer than Humalog's.

    Endos are a rare breed nowadays. I stopped seeing them and now depend
    on my family doctor. My doctor is my coach. I'm in charge though.

    >1. I've switched between the three types.
    >2. I have an endo.
    >3. all the tests to identify my type of diabetes were done when I was
    >eight.


    I've switched insulin types three times, with this latest being the
    third. Other than switching to Lantus, I have used Lilly exclusively.

  17. #17
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:22 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Humalog and Humulin are nothing alike and attempting to make a 1 to 1
    >swap when switching between the two can be incredibly dangerous.
    >
    >Humulin R and Novolin R are identical just made by different companies
    >and can be swapped 1 to 1 in dose.
    >
    >NEVER confuse Humalog with ANY brand of R insulin.


    I am aware of the differences, but I have to start at some point. I'm
    quite compulsive when it comes to testing, so I'm not too worried. As
    soon as I see my doctor again, I'll ask him to write a script for
    Humulin again.

    So it'll be Lantus for basal, Humalog during the mornings and day, and
    Humulin during the evening. Of course, this will be based on orders
    from my doctor :-)


  18. #18
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:54:16 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:

    >there is no such thing as Humalog R........... Humalog is one of the
    >very rapid analogue insulins that are made
    >
    >maybe you have delayed gastric emptying for humulin R to match the bg
    >profile


    Humalog was what I meant. Too bad it doesn't work so great for me (at
    night, anyway).

  19. #19
    jamil@onepost.n[email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    >I strongly recommend you stick to a good doctor when
    >changing insulin. Very few here are qualified except
    >in a general way about the insulins.
    >
    >I would never offer exact advice. A good doctor would have
    >to see you and have some history to make any changes.
    >
    >
    >If you are technically qualified, You would have to gather a lot of
    >data and do a lot of testing before you go too far. It is not
    >an amatuer venture.
    >
    >
    >If I could start over, I would find the most qualified endo
    >I could find that does all of the associated testing to
    >identify my case. Guessing does not compute.
    >
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    Re-posting this without "X-No-Archive: yes". I have to turn off that
    option to persist it during replies...

    Anyway, the original switch from Humulin to Humalog was from my
    doctor. I don't see my doctor again until next month, and my switch
    back to Humulin was due to Humalog not being able to lower my blood
    sugar. When my blood sugar was 100 at 11PM before going to sleep, and
    367 at 5AM when waking up due to having to go to the bathroom, it's
    obvious that Humalog is not working for me. I will not repeat having
    my blood sugar that high due to ineffective insulin. My health and
    well being is really my responsibility.

    With that being stated and the case that I have not been taking
    Humalog for very long, switching back to Humulin only makes sense. At
    least at night where its activity is much longer than Humalog's.

    Endos are a rare breed nowadays. I stopped seeing them and now depend
    on my family doctor. My doctor is my coach. I'm in charge though.

    I do appreciate this post though, because it does make sense. I'm
    certainly not a doctor by any stretch of the imagination. However, I
    have successfully managed my type 1 diabetes condition for all of my
    life. When you consider the amount of time I've been on insulin and
    the fact that I need no other medications other than insulin to
    receive the eye exam, lab results, physical exam test results that I
    do, my experience is working to my benefit.

    I work pretty hard to keep my blood sugar numbers as close to a
    non-diabetics as possible. My belief is that a fasting glucose of 120
    is too high (although for a T1, I know of no doctors who would attempt
    to make adjustments for such a test result). My belief is also that
    if you're taking insulin injections and consistently have test results
    of 120-130, you're putting stress on your body that will build up over
    time. You will eventually run into problems much later, that requires
    the use of medications, etc.

  20. #20
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular


  21. #21
    Tiger_Lily Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:14:14 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:38:22 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:22 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:13:05 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Tomorrow morning will be a good test of my control with this switch.
    >>>>>> My test results are looking really good so far though. My insulin
    >>>>>> dosages are generally low, and I do not appear to require more Humulin
    >>>>>> than I did previously.
    >>>>> Interestingly enough, I need to inject quite a bit less Humulin R than
    >>>>> Humalog R. Humulin seems to work better than Humalog for me. Perhaps
    >>>>> this is related to the length of time I have been using Humulin as
    >>>>> opposed to Humalog. Hmm.
    >>>>
    >>>> Humalog and Humulin are nothing alike and attempting to make a 1 to 1
    >>>> swap when switching between the two can be incredibly dangerous.
    >>>>
    >>>> Humulin R and Novolin R are identical just made by different companies
    >>>> and can be swapped 1 to 1 in dose.
    >>>>
    >>>> NEVER confuse Humalog with ANY brand of R insulin.
    >>> I strongly recommend you stick to a good doctor when
    >>> changing insulin. Very few here are qualified except
    >>> in a general way about the insulins.
    >>>
    >>> I would never offer exact advice. A good doctor would have
    >>> to see you and have some history to make any changes.
    >>>
    >>> If you are technically qualified, You would have to gather a lot of
    >>> data and do a lot of testing before you go too far. It is not
    >>> an amatuer venture.
    >>>
    >>> If I could start over, I would find the most qualified endo
    >>> I could find that does all of the associated testing to
    >>> identify my case. Guessing does not compute.

    >
    > I didn't receive this reply from [email protected]. I think my
    > newsgroup provider may have filtered it for some reason (I don't see
    > any of Chungs posts, probably because he cross-posts like a mad man).
    > Anyway, the original switch from Humulin to Humalog was from my
    > doctor. I don't see my doctor again until next month, and my switch
    > back to Humulin was due to Humalog not being able to lower my blood
    > sugar. When my blood sugar was 100 at 11PM before going to sleep, and
    > 367 at 5AM when waking up due to having to go to the bathroom, it's
    > obvious that Humalog is not working for me. I will not repeat having
    > my blood sugar that high due to ineffective insulin. My health and
    > well being is really my responsibility.
    >


    Humalog is meant to be a meal time insulin NOT a basal insulin

    Humalog works for approx 4 hours and is out of the body

    if you are waking to 367 at 5am, this means you LANTUS dose is too
    low.... and when i was on Lantus, i have to keep increasing it and
    increasing it, all to no avail........... so i switched to Levemir, and
    had to increase my insulin MORE again, but now i have great am bg levels

    get the book "Using Insulin" by John Walsh and/or "Think Like a
    Pancreas" (i forget the author right now)

    you are changing the wrong insulin for the wrong reasons

    good luck

  22. #22
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:01:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >I didn't receive this reply from [email protected]. I think my
    >newsgroup provider may have filtered it for some reason (I don't see
    >any of Chungs posts, probably because he cross-posts like a mad man).
    >Anyway, the original switch from Humulin to Humalog was from my
    >doctor. I don't see my doctor again until next month, and my switch
    >back to Humulin was due to Humalog not being able to lower my blood
    >sugar. When my blood sugar was 100 at 11PM before going to sleep, and
    >367 at 5AM when waking up due to having to go to the bathroom, it's
    >obvious that Humalog is not working for me. I will not repeat having
    >my blood sugar that high due to ineffective insulin. My health and
    >well being is really my responsibility.
    >
    >With that being stated and the case that I have not been taking
    >Humalog for very long, switching back to Humulin only makes sense. At
    >least at night where its activity is much longer than Humalog's.
    >
    >Endos are a rare breed nowadays. I stopped seeing them and now depend
    >on my family doctor. My doctor is my coach. I'm in charge though.


    >I've switched insulin types three times, with this latest being the
    >third. Other than switching to Lantus, I have used Lilly exclusively.



    I would be curious to know why your doctor thought humalog would cover
    your night time needs. Were you taking Humalog and Lantus? if so then
    you would need to discuss increasing your Lantus and possibly
    splitting it. Regardless of the advertising hype, Lantus rarely lasts
    a full 24 hours.

    If you were not taking a basal bolus insulin combination and you
    switched from R to Humalog then your doctor needs a good thumping on
    the back of the head.

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  23. #23
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:11:07 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:22 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Humalog and Humulin are nothing alike and attempting to make a 1 to 1
    >>swap when switching between the two can be incredibly dangerous.
    >>
    >>Humulin R and Novolin R are identical just made by different companies
    >>and can be swapped 1 to 1 in dose.
    >>
    >>NEVER confuse Humalog with ANY brand of R insulin.

    >
    >I am aware of the differences, but I have to start at some point. I'm
    >quite compulsive when it comes to testing, so I'm not too worried. As
    >soon as I see my doctor again, I'll ask him to write a script for
    >Humulin again.
    >
    >So it'll be Lantus for basal, Humalog during the mornings and day, and
    >Humulin during the evening. Of course, this will be based on orders
    >from my doctor :-)



    If it works for you. Just remember that all 3 are clear insulin and
    easily confused if you are not paying attention when you draw them up
    in the syringe. I've read here of some people making that mistake.

    Some people have found different combinations to be effective.
    Splitting the Lantus into 2 doses because regardless of the hype,
    Lanytus rarely lasts a full 24 hours for most. Along with either R or
    Humalog for meals.

    Taking Lantus in the am, and NPH in the evening and humalog or R for
    meals. I used this Lantus - NPH - humalog combination before going on
    the pump and it was very effective for me.

    --
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    President, or that we are to stand by the President
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    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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  24. #24
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:13:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:54:16 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>there is no such thing as Humalog R........... Humalog is one of the
    >>very rapid analogue insulins that are made
    >>
    >>maybe you have delayed gastric emptying for humulin R to match the bg
    >>profile

    >
    >Humalog was what I meant. Too bad it doesn't work so great for me (at
    >night, anyway).



    It was never meant to cover anyone's needs through their sleep time.

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  25. #25
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:29:17 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Humalog is meant to be a meal time insulin NOT a basal insulin
    >
    >Humalog works for approx 4 hours and is out of the body
    >
    >if you are waking to 367 at 5am, this means you LANTUS dose is too
    >low.... and when i was on Lantus, i have to keep increasing it and
    >increasing it, all to no avail........... so i switched to Levemir, and
    >had to increase my insulin MORE again, but now i have great am bg levels
    >
    >get the book "Using Insulin" by John Walsh and/or "Think Like a
    >Pancreas" (i forget the author right now)
    >
    >you are changing the wrong insulin for the wrong reasons
    >
    >good luck


    My initial posting was in regards to Humalog not covering my dinner.
    In this thread, you will see that you have confirmed one of my
    postings. The problem was that my increase in blood sugar by protein
    consumption was not handled by Humalog.

    My Lantus dose is not too low, because if I was to skip dinner
    altogether, my blood sugar would be in the range I expect (70 - 100).
    Increasing my Lantus dosage would be dangerous, because I'd have
    problems during the day. Lantus dosage increase is NOT a good idea.
    My numbers are perfect right now.

    But wait a minute, I found a solution that works days ago.

  26. #26
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:17:54 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:13:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:54:16 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>there is no such thing as Humalog R........... Humalog is one of the
    >>>very rapid analogue insulins that are made
    >>>
    >>>maybe you have delayed gastric emptying for humulin R to match the bg
    >>>profile

    >>
    >>Humalog was what I meant. Too bad it doesn't work so great for me (at
    >>night, anyway).

    >
    >
    >It was never meant to cover anyone's needs through their sleep time.


    Covering needs through sleep was not my gripe (I eat dinner at night).
    It's covering my needs with meals that I had a problem with.

  27. #27
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:05:55 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I would be curious to know why your doctor thought humalog would cover
    >your night time needs. Were you taking Humalog and Lantus? if so then
    >you would need to discuss increasing your Lantus and possibly
    >splitting it. Regardless of the advertising hype, Lantus rarely lasts
    >a full 24 hours.
    >
    >If you were not taking a basal bolus insulin combination and you
    >switched from R to Humalog then your doctor needs a good thumping on
    >the back of the head.


    The problem is proteins. Everything else worked fine. I guess my doc
    didn't expect me to drink a protein shake with dinner.

  28. #28
    percy Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:05:55 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> I would be curious to know why your doctor thought humalog would cover
    >> your night time needs. Were you taking Humalog and Lantus? if so then
    >> you would need to discuss increasing your Lantus and possibly
    >> splitting it. Regardless of the advertising hype, Lantus rarely lasts
    >> a full 24 hours.
    >>
    >> If you were not taking a basal bolus insulin combination and you
    >> switched from R to Humalog then your doctor needs a good thumping on
    >> the back of the head.

    >
    > The problem is proteins. Everything else worked fine. I guess my doc
    > didn't expect me to drink a protein shake with dinner.


    In order to handle a protein or a carb/fat surge (pizza effect) like
    that the only thing to do with a rapid insulin is take a correction 2 or
    3 hours after the meal.

    White bread insulin. :-)

    Works great in a pump!

    Vicki

  29. #29
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:13:49 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:29:17 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Humalog is meant to be a meal time insulin NOT a basal insulin
    >>
    >>Humalog works for approx 4 hours and is out of the body
    >>
    >>if you are waking to 367 at 5am, this means you LANTUS dose is too
    >>low.... and when i was on Lantus, i have to keep increasing it and
    >>increasing it, all to no avail........... so i switched to Levemir, and
    >>had to increase my insulin MORE again, but now i have great am bg levels
    >>
    >>get the book "Using Insulin" by John Walsh and/or "Think Like a
    >>Pancreas" (i forget the author right now)
    >>
    >>you are changing the wrong insulin for the wrong reasons
    >>
    >>good luck

    >
    >My initial posting was in regards to Humalog not covering my dinner.
    >In this thread, you will see that you have confirmed one of my
    >postings. The problem was that my increase in blood sugar by protein
    >consumption was not handled by Humalog.
    >
    >My Lantus dose is not too low, because if I was to skip dinner
    >altogether, my blood sugar would be in the range I expect (70 - 100).
    >Increasing my Lantus dosage would be dangerous, because I'd have
    >problems during the day. Lantus dosage increase is NOT a good idea.
    >My numbers are perfect right now.
    >
    >But wait a minute, I found a solution that works days ago.



    One of the things we often have to do when using meal time insulins
    like humalog or Novolog is to test and inject more often. Increasing
    the post meal testing and taking , as needed, correction doses.

    This worked fine for people like me. Even after 30+ years the added
    injections were not all that bad. But when I started doing around 10
    per day that's when the pump became very appealing.

    I am not going to try pushing you towards a pump, that's something you
    need to discuss with your doc and your doc needs to know what he/she
    is doing in order to help you. So please don't mistake my comparisons
    and references to pumping as an attempt to do that.

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  30. #30
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:15:34 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:17:54 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:13:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:54:16 -0600, Tiger_Lily <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>there is no such thing as Humalog R........... Humalog is one of the
    >>>>very rapid analogue insulins that are made
    >>>>
    >>>>maybe you have delayed gastric emptying for humulin R to match the bg
    >>>>profile
    >>>
    >>>Humalog was what I meant. Too bad it doesn't work so great for me (at
    >>>night, anyway).

    >>
    >>
    >>It was never meant to cover anyone's needs through their sleep time.

    >
    >Covering needs through sleep was not my gripe (I eat dinner at night).
    >It's covering my needs with meals that I had a problem with.



    changing how we inject and what we eat goes along with humalog and
    Novolog. Pizza and large protein meals usually require post meal
    testing and post meal correction doses.

    Meals that cause delayed spikes are the ones I try to avoid most days.
    However I do know, after lots of testing, that with pizza I can
    program an extended bolus on my pump and mimic having to take a second
    shot after the meal to correct for the high BG.

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    http://www.diabetic-talk.org
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    http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
    http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
    http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    ....Theodore Roosevelt

    (o ˘)
    --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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    half as well as I should like;
    and I like less than half of you
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  31. #31
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:25:47 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 06:39:02 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I think you're more than a little unusual in having eliminated dairy
    >>and meats and switching entirely to "rice protein powder with juice".

    >
    >I have stopped drinking milk many years ago. My alternative to cow's
    >milk is rice milk. Recently, I have eliminated every form of dairy
    >product from my diet (cheese, yogurt, etc).
    >
    > I think you're more than a little unusual in thinking that a
    >vegetarian diet is more than a little unusual :-)


    So my insulin regimen of Lantus, Humalog and Humulin R is working
    extremely well. I just received the results of my recent fasting
    blood tests, and I thought I'd post a couple of the interesting
    results. This is following a 100% vegetarian diet with no foods from
    animals whatsoever.

    This is the most comprehensive series of tests I have ever had taken
    (ordered by my family doc). This'll line up better using a
    fixed-width font:

    LIPID PANEL Reference Range
    TRIGLYCERIDES 38 <150 mg/dL
    CHOLESTEROL, TOTAL 122 L 125-200 mg/dL
    HDL 54 >= 40 mg/dL
    LDL 60 <130 mg/dL
    CHOL/HDLC RATIO 2.3 <= 5.0

    COMP METABOLIC PANEL
    GLUCOSE 93 65-99 mg/dL

    CBC (INCLUDES DIFF/PLT)
    WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT 3.7 L 3.8-10.8 Thousand/uL
    MCH 33.6 H 27.0-33.0 pg

    Everything else was within normal range.

    I'm not sure what MCH is (and can't be bothered to look it up right
    now), but I'll ask my doctor when I see him in the next few days. I
    need to work on improving my HDL too.

  32. #32
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:49:34 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:25:47 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 06:39:02 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I think you're more than a little unusual in having eliminated dairy
    >>>and meats and switching entirely to "rice protein powder with juice".

    >>
    >>I have stopped drinking milk many years ago. My alternative to cow's
    >>milk is rice milk. Recently, I have eliminated every form of dairy
    >>product from my diet (cheese, yogurt, etc).
    >>
    >> I think you're more than a little unusual in thinking that a
    >>vegetarian diet is more than a little unusual :-)

    >
    >So my insulin regimen of Lantus, Humalog and Humulin R is working
    >extremely well. I just received the results of my recent fasting
    >blood tests, and I thought I'd post a couple of the interesting
    >results. This is following a 100% vegetarian diet with no foods from
    >animals whatsoever.
    >
    >This is the most comprehensive series of tests I have ever had taken
    >(ordered by my family doc). This'll line up better using a
    >fixed-width font:
    >
    >LIPID PANEL Reference Range
    > TRIGLYCERIDES 38 <150 mg/dL
    > CHOLESTEROL, TOTAL 122 L 125-200 mg/dL
    > HDL 54 >= 40 mg/dL
    > LDL 60 <130 mg/dL
    > CHOL/HDLC RATIO 2.3 <= 5.0
    >
    >COMP METABOLIC PANEL
    > GLUCOSE 93 65-99 mg/dL
    >
    >CBC (INCLUDES DIFF/PLT)
    > WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT 3.7 L 3.8-10.8 Thousand/uL
    > MCH 33.6 H 27.0-33.0 pg
    >
    >Everything else was within normal range.
    >
    >I'm not sure what MCH is (and can't be bothered to look it up right
    >now), but I'll ask my doctor when I see him in the next few days. I
    >need to work on improving my HDL too.


    Those lipids are spectacular, look especially at the trigs/HDL ratio


  33. #33
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:34:22 +0100, Trinkwasser
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Those lipids are spectacular, look especially at the trigs/HDL ratio


    Thanks.

    My results are mainly due to the elimination of food sources from
    animals. In addition, I take a few supplements that also help (like my
    B complex supplements and a few more I also take). Last, I also grind
    whole flax seeds with my coffee grinder and mix it into my rice
    protein shake every other night.

    It seems to be working quite well!

  34. #34
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:02:18 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:34:22 +0100, Trinkwasser
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Those lipids are spectacular, look especially at the trigs/HDL ratio

    >
    >Thanks.
    >
    >My results are mainly due to the elimination of food sources from
    >animals. In addition, I take a few supplements that also help (like my
    >B complex supplements and a few more I also take). Last, I also grind
    >whole flax seeds with my coffee grinder and mix it into my rice
    >protein shake every other night.
    >
    >It seems to be working quite well!



    I just got my lab results at my last endo visit this week, everything
    was well within the normal (non-diabetic range) A1c at 6.

    I actually increased my consumption of animal products and further
    reduced my consumption of carbs in the past 6 months.

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  35. #35
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:49:06 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:02:18 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:34:22 +0100, Trinkwasser
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Those lipids are spectacular, look especially at the trigs/HDL ratio

    >>
    >>Thanks.
    >>
    >>My results are mainly due to the elimination of food sources from
    >>animals. In addition, I take a few supplements that also help (like my
    >>B complex supplements and a few more I also take). Last, I also grind
    >>whole flax seeds with my coffee grinder and mix it into my rice
    >>protein shake every other night.
    >>
    >>It seems to be working quite well!

    >
    >
    >I just got my lab results at my last endo visit this week, everything
    >was well within the normal (non-diabetic range) A1c at 6.
    >
    >I actually increased my consumption of animal products and further
    >reduced my consumption of carbs in the past 6 months.


    Sounds good. Just goes to show how we all have to find our own plans.
    Eating animals and especially fish improved my HDL and trigs but my
    LDL is a bit high still. Damn things are so *tasty* while I love
    veggies I couldn't do a vegetarian diet any more even if it did
    improve my numbers.

  36. #36
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:18:50 +0100, Trinkwasser
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Sounds good. Just goes to show how we all have to find our own plans.
    >Eating animals and especially fish improved my HDL and trigs but my
    >LDL is a bit high still. Damn things are so *tasty* while I love
    >veggies I couldn't do a vegetarian diet any more even if it did
    >improve my numbers.


    Reducing the foods originating from animals can help a lot too. For
    example, eating only seafood and avoiding beef, pork, etc. Eating only
    turkey is an option too. I avoid all of it, because I do not believe
    it is healthy to consume.

    Your blood sugar and blood pressure will also impact your cholesterol,
    so ensuring they are both in check will also help a lot.

  37. #37
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:49:06 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I just got my lab results at my last endo visit this week, everything
    >was well within the normal (non-diabetic range) A1c at 6.
    >
    >I actually increased my consumption of animal products and further
    >reduced my consumption of carbs in the past 6 months.


    I do not intentionally reduce carbs. If it happens, it only happens by
    chance. I rely on natural sugars in carbs for its most efficient
    source of energy for my mind and body. I do reduce the fats I consume
    though.

  38. #38
    Nicky Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:49:06 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I just got my lab results at my last endo visit this week, everything
    >was well within the normal (non-diabetic range) A1c at 6.


    Congrats, Mack!!

    Nicky.
    T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
    D&E, 100ug thyroxine
    Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

  39. #39
    Nicky Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:42:58 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >Your blood sugar and blood pressure will also impact your cholesterol,
    >so ensuring they are both in check will also help a lot.


    I keep mine under control by eating plenty of meat and veggie protein,
    and controlling my carbs.

    Nicky.
    T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
    D&E, 100ug thyroxine
    Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

  40. #40
    Tiger_Lily Guest

    Default Re: Switched From Humulin To Humalog Regular

    Nicky wrote:
    > On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:49:06 -0400, MÓckę« <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> I just got my lab results at my last endo visit this week, everything
    >> was well within the normal (non-diabetic range) A1c at 6.

    >
    > Congrats, Mack!!
    >
    > Nicky.
    > T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
    > D&E, 100ug thyroxine
    > Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25



    woo hoo, excellent A1c there Mack!

    congratulations

    kate

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