Testing

Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one egg
and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk

"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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: Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
: breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
egg
: and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk
:
:

Hi,

A 149 reading at 2hrs isn't too bad for what Grace had to eat. While
that breakfast was very healthy (as far as I can see) I can see Grace
needing medication or exercise to help deal with the 149 since it's
apparent that she cannot handle that many carbs.

Heres a breakdown for you.

2 slices of bread: (what type of bread? sourdough, wheat, rye, white?)
How many total carbs per slice? (look on the side of the package to get
info)

1 egg: 1gm carb (per my egg carton)

cottage cheese: how much did she have? 1tbs? 5tbs? 10tsps? 1cup?
again, look on the container for how many carbs are in x amount.

tomato: you can safely eat 1/2c of tomatoes without worrying about carbs

lettuce: zero carbs (excellent ruffage though )

1/2 glass of milk: was it skim milk? 1%? 2%? whole? buttermilk? what size
of glass? 8oz, 10oz, 22oz, 32oz or a 44oz? Usually, milk is 13gm of carbs
per 8oz from the 2% milk I get, you'll have to look on your milk carton to
find out.

Milk is also a "fast acting" carb, and reacts much like a regular soda.
Meaning
it's going to hit fast and already be gone and you won't see much of the
effects
at the 2hr mark, other then the lasting rise if you don't have enough
insulin left
to help cover the carbs.

From everything Grace ate, she still has a decent insulin response... If it
were me,
I'd take a short walk, for about 20mins if even around my living room and
that should
be enough to drop that 149 below 120. We don't know for a fact, unless it's
tested,
since everyone is different.

A small suggestion, as I pointed out above, you might want to include the
measurements
so others can better help you and have a better idea of making suggestions.

Best of luck

--
Reisa, T1
dx-5/00 asd-7/00
Animas IR1250 pumper
Daily CHO: 150-200gm
TDD: 36-38u
Last A1C: Rising! oPPs!

i feel a diabetic has a choice of the types of diets to choose from.

I just think of them as low fat or low carb. I could probably have good
numbers on either kind of diet and also probably have good cholesterol as
well.
you will find doctors that will agree on either type of diet but very few
will agree on high carb and high fat.
For me I believe that a low fat diet works if you actually eat low fat and
that a low carb diet will work if you actually eat low carb.
I dont think eggs and toast as a normal breakfast would work.
some feel foods high in cholesterol increase blood cholesterol
diets high in carb can also increase cholesterol.
sure I can throw some ideas at you but feel the best thing you can do for
your wife is bring her to a dietitian and also follow what ever kind of
exercise advice she was given from her doctor.
When my wife gets sick I bring her to doctors.
just because i may not answer some replies I get does not mean in any way i
feel they proved their point. talk to your doctor about any advice you get
here or anyplace.

--
Tom

www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com



"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
> egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk
>

In article <45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one egg
> and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk

Try dropping the toast or subbing low-carb bread for the regular bread
and find something less carby to drink than milk. How about two eggs
hard cooked sliced alongside the cottage cheese on the lettuce and
tomato and a glass of diet soda? I'd also consider adding some black
olives, slices of bell pepper, and half an avocado to the salad plate.

Priscilla

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charlie and grace wrote:
> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one egg
> and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk

Charlie, you may want to leave off the toast at breakfast along with the
glass of milk. Lactose and bread are both very high sugar.

Also, you need to know what her bg is one hour after eating, that's
typically the peak.

Susan

In article <vze23t8n-02AFAC.14441723022007@individual.net>,
"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

> In article <45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> > Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> > breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
> > egg
> > and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk
>
> Try dropping the toast or subbing low-carb bread for the regular bread
> and find something less carby to drink than milk. How about two eggs
> hard cooked sliced alongside the cottage cheese on the lettuce and
> tomato and a glass of diet soda? I'd also consider adding some black
> olives, slices of bell pepper, and half an avocado to the salad plate.

Ooops! Susan's reply reminded me that this is breakfast we're talking
about, not lunch. My suggestion above would be good for lunch.
Personally I can't do salad stuff before noon. ;-)

For breakfast I'd go with scrambled eggs with maybe some bacon or ham
and maybe a whole grain english muffin (or not) and a cup of tea or
coffee. I scramble my eggs with heavy cream and cook them in butter.
Very yummy and filling.

Priscilla

Looks to me like Grace had about 50 to 60 gr. of carbs for breakfast. As a
Type II, I get 3 meter points for every gram of carb, so I would expect to
get 150 to 180 meter points within 30 to 45 minutes of the breakfast. If I
started with a 100 mg/dl, that could take me to 250 or 280 mg/dl. In two
hours, I might be down to 180 or so, but I'd prefer to skip the bread and
the milk or find low carb substitutes.

There are some low carb, high fiber breads. You might consider just one
slice of bread instead of two.
For milk, Heritage Foods had some great low carb "dairy beverages" that were
great. Unfortuntely, they disappeared from the shelves about a year after
they appeared. There are some low carb soy milks available that I enjoy.
Some object to soy, however. You gotta go with what works for you.

Good luck.



"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
> egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk
>

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:18:08 -0800, "charlie and grace"
<charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote:

>Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
>breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one egg
>and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk
>
Hi Charlie

The breakfast you listed would have me very high at one
hour. The approximate carb count would be:

two pieces of toast: 30gm
one egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce: negligible
half a glass of milk: 6 or 7gm

Some can handle that; 149 at two hours would suggest Grace
can't.

You've read this before, but it's worth reading again:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Note the use of one-hour tests. Read this to see some
thoughts on when to test:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...-two-hour.html

And this may help with some breakfast ideas:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Epidaurus

"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
> egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk

That's a bit too much carbs. Next time try either one piece of toast or no
milk. The egg and cottage cheese also sound like a lot of carbs to me.

"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
> egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk

Oops! In my previous reply I made a typo. The egg and cottage cheese
sounds like a lot of PROTEIN to me. I'd have one or the other. Not both.

Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
> In article
<vze23t8n-02AFAC.14441723022007@individual.net>,
> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it
read 149. I
>> > made her breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with
two pieces of
>> > toast with one egg
>> > and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a
glass of milk
>>
>> Try dropping the toast or subbing low-carb bread for the
regular
>> bread and find something less carby to drink than milk.
How about
>> two eggs hard cooked sliced alongside the cottage cheese
on the
>> lettuce and tomato and a glass of diet soda? I'd also
consider
>> adding some black olives, slices of bell pepper, and half
an avocado
>> to the salad plate.
>
> Ooops! Susan's reply reminded me that this is breakfast
we're talking
> about, not lunch. My suggestion above would be good for
lunch.
> Personally I can't do salad stuff before noon. ;-)

Lol, I can but I have favorite brekkies, leave the salad til
later. A nice alternative is an omelet with lots of veggies
cooked in it, they are nice hot with cold cottage cheese on
top.

Charlie, I dont know if she is type one or type two that breakfast was
too carby with a number of 149

two slices of bread and the tomato are too many carbs.

Loretta

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.

charlie and grace wrote:
> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read
149. I
> made her breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two
pieces of
> toast with one egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce
with half a
> glass of milk

Charlie, two things here. A diabetic is very carb sensitive
in the mornings, they do better bg-wise with less rather
than more carb at that time of day. There are significant
carbs in bread, milk and lesser amounts in cottage cheese
and tomato but still adding to the total.

A better breakfast would have been an egg or two with a
slice of grain bread. 2nd thing: diabetic do better bg-wise
when carbs are more spaced out. Same amount of carbs per day
but intervals between. lets say 1 grain bread and egg at
breakfast, a couple of hours later a rye cracker with
cottage cheese and tomato. Get my drift? Yoghurt sometimes
has less impact than milk also.

That same breakfast may have been tolerated well at lunch
time. It's all about a bit of experimentation but keeping in
mind that morning carb sensitivity. A favourite breakfast of
mine sometimes is a ryvita crispbread spread with a bit of
mayo and topped with a sliced, cold hard-boiled egg and a
beverage. Rye has less impact than wheat for some.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in
message
> news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it
read 149. I
>> made her breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two
pieces of
>> toast with one egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce
with half
>> a glass of milk
>
> Oops! In my previous reply I made a typo. The egg and
cottage cheese
> sounds like a lot of PROTEIN to me. I'd have one or the
other. Not
> both.

Why? Everyone needs a certain amount of protein per day, we
don't know what Grace's other proteins are for the day.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:18:08 -0800, charlie and grace wrote:

> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one egg
> and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk

Suggestion: ditch the toast and add some bacon.

In article <12tur786pf7r41b@news.supernews.com>,
"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

> Lol, I can but I have favorite brekkies, leave the salad til
> later. A nice alternative is an omelet with lots of veggies
> cooked in it, they are nice hot with cold cottage cheese on
> top.

Yeah, I like that, or a crustless quiche a slice of which I can just
heat up in the microwave. But I seem to be stuck in a rut of scrambled
eggs right now. For a while it was cheese omelets, and for a while
salsa omelets. On special occasions I may have fried or poached eggs.

Priscilla

This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back they
showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's higher.
Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
> egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk
>

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charlie and grace wrote:
> This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
> overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
> figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
> alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back they
> showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's higher.
> Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
> news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Hi, Grace, nice to "meet" you finally!

Your bg will rise after a meal, but you want to minimize that, and keep
it under 140 at all times if possible to prevent complications of diabetes.

Carbohydrates raise bg in type 2 DM, fat and protein do not, so eat more
of those and less starch, milk (lactose is a sugar), etc. Try having
extgra veggies and salads in place of starches with meals, and try
having just eggs with bacon or cottage cheese, yogurt and some berries
for breakfast.

You'll get the hang of it, it becomes routine and less overwhelming once
you know which foods you can't tolerate, using your meter as your guide.

Susan

"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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: This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
: overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
: figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
: alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back
they
: showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's
higher.
: Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?

Hello Grace,

All foods are good. The "key" to good management from what many
of us have learned is moderation.

All fresh veggies are good for meals as well as snacks. The only ones
that should be double checked after you eat them are tomatoes, onions,
peas, carrots and corn.. most root veggies and some have problems
with squash. These all have quite a bit of natural glucose, but certainly
shouldn't be avoided, just reduced in how much you eat of them.

Most if not all fish, pork, chicken and red meats are just fine to eat. If
you have heart problems, you might want to limit your red meat intake
to once a week. I usually try to have at least a different meat each night
of the week to keep variety in our meals.

Dairy is good for you as well... eggs and cheese has low impact on your
glucose, but you should check after you have milk to see how much the
next time you can have of it. Some can handle a full glass, others a 1/2
and others perhaps only a 1/4... This is where your meter is your friend
and why testing often is very important once you decide you want to see
how food impacts your glucose readings.

Remember, these are just suggestions of what works for me, I am a T1,
which is slightly different then being a T2... but we all have the same
problem
that we cannot process carbohydrates properly. I would also suggest that
you ask your doctor for suggestions, and perhaps see a dietician to help you
set down some basic starting meals for you. Just know, what works for me
or anyone else here, might or might not work for you.. we are all different
this is why you should work carefully with your doctor to learn what you
need to do for you.

RK, T1.

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:43:15 -0800, "charlie and grace"
<charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote:

>This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
>overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
>figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
>alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back they
>showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's higher.
>Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
>"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
>news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com.. .
>> Two hours after breakfast Grace used her meter and it read 149. I made her
>> breakfast and she had an egg sandwhich with two pieces of toast with one
>> egg and cottage cheese, tomato and lettuce with half a glass of milk
>>
>
Hi Grace

What was it that overwhelmed you? If the kit was complex -
someone here will have the same brand and model - ask and
there will be answers.

If it was when to test, and what to do about the foods you
eat to improve those after-eating results, this is the best
advice I ever received on that:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

If it was how to painlessly use the lancet device, try this:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...ss-pricks.html

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
--
I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:53:25 -0500, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>
>Hi, Grace, nice to "meet" you finally!
>
>Your bg will rise after a meal, but you want to minimize that, and keep
>it under 140 at all times if possible to prevent complications of diabetes.
>
>Carbohydrates raise bg in type 2 DM, fat and protein do not, so eat more
>of those and less starch, milk (lactose is a sugar), etc. Try having
>extgra veggies and salads in place of starches with meals, and try
>having just eggs with bacon or cottage cheese, yogurt and some berries
>for breakfast.
>
>You'll get the hang of it, it becomes routine and less overwhelming once
>you know which foods you can't tolerate, using your meter as your guide.
>
>Susan

Hi Grace,

I think Susan gave you excellent advice... I would only add that you
need to be mindful that some fats are healthier for you than other
fats, and generally speaking, fat has twice as many calories, gram for
gram as protein and carbs... So in my case, I have found that limiting
carbs, while moderating on fats, and trying to choose unsaturated
fats, especially monounsaturated fats, is a workable solution.... I
watch overall calorie consumption and try to get some amount of
moderate daily exercise, also... It is important for us T2s to keep
our weight down, if we can, because that helps lower our insulin
resistance...

Good luck to you... You can manage this!

Will, T2

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:10:33 -0500, "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
>news:45e0e9ba$0$24709$4c368faf@roadrunner.com.. .
>: This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
>: overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
>: figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
>: alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back
>they
>: showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's
>higher.
>: Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
>
>Hello Grace,
>
>All foods are good. The "key" to good management from what many
>of us have learned is moderation.
>
>All fresh veggies are good for meals as well as snacks. The only ones
>that should be double checked after you eat them are tomatoes, onions,
>peas, carrots and corn.. most root veggies and some have problems
>with squash. These all have quite a bit of natural glucose, but certainly
>shouldn't be avoided, just reduced in how much you eat of them.
>
>Most if not all fish, pork, chicken and red meats are just fine to eat. If
>you have heart problems, you might want to limit your red meat intake
>to once a week. I usually try to have at least a different meat each night
>of the week to keep variety in our meals.
>
>Dairy is good for you as well... eggs and cheese has low impact on your
>glucose, but you should check after you have milk to see how much the
>next time you can have of it. Some can handle a full glass, others a 1/2
>and others perhaps only a 1/4... This is where your meter is your friend
>and why testing often is very important once you decide you want to see
>how food impacts your glucose readings.
>
>Remember, these are just suggestions of what works for me, I am a T1,
>which is slightly different then being a T2... but we all have the same
>problem
>that we cannot process carbohydrates properly. I would also suggest that
>you ask your doctor for suggestions, and perhaps see a dietician to help you
>set down some basic starting meals for you. Just know, what works for me
>or anyone else here, might or might not work for you.. we are all different
>this is why you should work carefully with your doctor to learn what you
>need to do for you.
>
>RK, T1.
>

Excellent post, Reisa.... right on. Good message.

Will, T2

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> charlie and grace wrote:
>> This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
>> overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
>> figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
>> alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back
>> they showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's
>> higher. Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
>> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
>> news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Hi, Grace, nice to "meet" you finally!
>
> Your bg will rise after a meal, but you want to minimize that, and keep it
> under 140 at all times if possible to prevent complications of diabetes.
>
> Carbohydrates raise bg in type 2 DM, fat and protein do not, so eat more
> of those and less starch, milk (lactose is a sugar), etc. Try having
> extgra veggies and salads in place of starches with meals, and try having
> just eggs with bacon or cottage cheese, yogurt and some berries for
> breakfast.
>
> You'll get the hang of it, it becomes routine and less overwhelming once
> you know which foods you can't tolerate, using your meter as your guide.
>
> Susan

TY Susan, It's nice to see I.m not alone. I'm going with the calorie
counting. I have a booklet that tells how many calaries are in certain
foods and the amount to eat. I can plan my meals. If I am going somewhere
special I can save up my calaries and eat moderatly during the day and
splurge at night, in moderation. Wish me luck. Test, test.

"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> charlie and grace wrote:
>>> This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
>>> overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
>>> figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
>>> alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back
>>> they showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's
>>> higher. Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
>>> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> Hi, Grace, nice to "meet" you finally!
>>
>> Your bg will rise after a meal, but you want to minimize that, and keep
>> it under 140 at all times if possible to prevent complications of
>> diabetes.
>>
>> Carbohydrates raise bg in type 2 DM, fat and protein do not, so eat more
>> of those and less starch, milk (lactose is a sugar), etc. Try having
>> extgra veggies and salads in place of starches with meals, and try having
>> just eggs with bacon or cottage cheese, yogurt and some berries for
>> breakfast.
>>
>> You'll get the hang of it, it becomes routine and less overwhelming once
>> you know which foods you can't tolerate, using your meter as your guide.
>>
>> Susan
>
> TY Susan, It's nice to see I.m not alone. I'm going with the calorie
> counting. I have a booklet that tells how many calaries are in certain
> foods and the amount to eat. I can plan my meals. If I am going
> somewhere special I can save up my calaries and eat moderatly during the
> day and splurge at night, in moderation. Wish me luck. Test, test.

i dont thik that anyone in here would agree with what you just wrote.
at least a doctor wouldnt.
what about fiber, potasium, calcium and everything else?
IMO you dont have an idea of what to do at all. You need to sit down one on
one with a dietitian. calorie counting book? for a diabetic? while it may
help someone that knows a bit more, in my opinion it is worthless to most
newbie diabetics. save up calories and splurge at night? talk about that
with your doctor.

--
Tom

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In article <45e1c03e$0$1400$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:54c8gkF2024hgU1@mid.individual.net...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > charlie and grace wrote:
> >> This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
> >> overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
> >> figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
> >> alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back
> >> they showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's
> >> higher. Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
> >> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> > Hi, Grace, nice to "meet" you finally!
> >
> > Your bg will rise after a meal, but you want to minimize that, and keep it
> > under 140 at all times if possible to prevent complications of diabetes.
> >
> > Carbohydrates raise bg in type 2 DM, fat and protein do not, so eat more
> > of those and less starch, milk (lactose is a sugar), etc. Try having
> > extgra veggies and salads in place of starches with meals, and try having
> > just eggs with bacon or cottage cheese, yogurt and some berries for
> > breakfast.
> >
> > You'll get the hang of it, it becomes routine and less overwhelming once
> > you know which foods you can't tolerate, using your meter as your guide.
> >
> > Susan
>
> TY Susan, It's nice to see I.m not alone. I'm going with the calorie
> counting. I have a booklet that tells how many calaries are in certain
> foods and the amount to eat. I can plan my meals. If I am going somewhere
> special I can save up my calaries and eat moderatly during the day and
> splurge at night, in moderation. Wish me luck. Test, test.

Have you read the suggestions at
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm ?

For diabetics, calories are as much the problem as carbohydrates. We
cannot process carbohydrates properly, and they're what shoot up our
blood glucose. Test it out with your meter.

Priscilla

In article <vze23t8n-0A9B49.13104525022007@individual.net>,
Priscilla Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

> In article <45e1c03e$0$1400$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> > "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > news:54c8gkF2024hgU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > x-no-archive: yes
> > >
> > > charlie and grace wrote:
> > >> This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help. Charlie and I are
> > >> overwelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back to the pharmacy to
> > >> figure out what to do, when we were in class it's different. when we're
> > >> alone it freaked us out. He had is idea, I had mine. once we went back
> > >> they showed us how. Now that I'm testing it seems like after meals it's
> > >> higher. Is there any good foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes?
> > >> "charlie and grace" <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > >
> > > Hi, Grace, nice to "meet" you finally!
> > >
> > > Your bg will rise after a meal, but you want to minimize that, and keep
> > > it
> > > under 140 at all times if possible to prevent complications of diabetes.
> > >
> > > Carbohydrates raise bg in type 2 DM, fat and protein do not, so eat more
> > > of those and less starch, milk (lactose is a sugar), etc. Try having
> > > extgra veggies and salads in place of starches with meals, and try having
> > > just eggs with bacon or cottage cheese, yogurt and some berries for
> > > breakfast.
> > >
> > > You'll get the hang of it, it becomes routine and less overwhelming once
> > > you know which foods you can't tolerate, using your meter as your guide.
> > >
> > > Susan
> >
> > TY Susan, It's nice to see I.m not alone. I'm going with the calorie
> > counting. I have a booklet that tells how many calaries are in certain
> > foods and the amount to eat. I can plan my meals. If I am going somewhere
> > special I can save up my calaries and eat moderatly during the day and
> > splurge at night, in moderation. Wish me luck. Test, test.
>
> Have you read the suggestions at
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm ?
>
> For diabetics, calories are as much the problem as carbohydrates. We

Aren't as much the problem. Aren't!

> cannot process carbohydrates properly, and they're what shoot up our
> blood glucose. Test it out with your meter.
>
> Priscilla

charlie and grace wrote:
> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:54c8gkF2024hgU1@mid.individual.net...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> charlie and grace wrote:
>>> This is Finally Grace, Thanks for everybody's help.
Charlie and I
>>> are overwhelmed with my new test kit. We had to go back
to the
>>> pharmacy to figure out what to do, when we were in class
it's
>>> different. when we're alone it freaked us out. He had
is idea, I
>>> had mine. once we went back they showed us how. Now
that I'm
>>> testing it seems like after meals it's higher. Is there
any good
>>> foods to eat. Any suggestions or recipes? "charlie and
grace"
>>> <charles267@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45df3df1$0$18857$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> Hi, Grace, nice to "meet" you finally!
>>
>> Your bg will rise after a meal, but you want to minimize
that, and
>> keep it under 140 at all times if possible to prevent
complications
>> of diabetes.
>>
>> Carbohydrates raise bg in type 2 DM, fat and protein do
not, so eat
>> more of those and less starch, milk (lactose is a sugar),
etc. Try
>> having extra veggies and salads in place of starches with
meals,
>> and try having just eggs with bacon or cottage cheese,
yogurt and
>> some berries for breakfast.
>>
>> You'll get the hang of it, it becomes routine and less
overwhelming
>> once you know which foods you can't tolerate, using your
meter as
>> your guide.
>>
>> Susan
>
> TY Susan, It's nice to see I.m not alone. I'm going
with the
> calorie counting. I have a booklet that tells how many
calories are
> in certain foods and the amount to eat. I can plan my
meals. If I
> am going somewhere special I can save up my calories and
eat
> moderately during the day and splurge at night, in
moderation. Wish
> me luck. Test, test.

Actually Grace you can't do that. A calorie counted diet is
different to a carb counted diet. Saving up calories means
you are saving up carbs and eating a larger amount at once
will wreak havoc with your bg's. Controlling diabetes is not
the same as losing weight, although losing weight definitely
helps with diabetes.

Carbs need to be spread out fairly evenly over a day. It has
been established that too many carbs ate breakfast is too
much for you (and most of the rest of us type 2's) so carb
should be less at breakfast than at any other time of the
day. the rest of your "calories" can be used throughout the
day but bearing in mind that you will need to find an upper
limit per meal and snack for carbs that doesn't cause you to
spike.

So whilst you can still calorie count you need to spread the
carb part of the total plan out. For example let's say you
choose to eat 3 slices of bread a day as part of the calorie
controlled diet. Instead of 2 slices for a noon sandwich,
have an open sandwich and keep one slice for afternoon tea
etc. Same food, same calories but not an overloaded carb
meal.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:07:36 +1100, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>Actually Grace you can't do that. A calorie counted diet is
>different to a carb counted diet.

Actually, I try to watch both carbs and overall calories...

Will, T2

Will, T2 wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:07:36 +1100, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>>Actually Grace you can't do that. A calorie counted diet
is
>>different to a carb counted diet.
>
> Actually, I try to watch both carbs and overall
calories...
>
> Will, T2

I do too but I pay attention to the timing of the carb
component of the overall diet. I lose weight around 1200
cals and maintain around 1500-1800 despite my high level of
activity. But 1200 cals over 3 meals would raise my bg too
high, the same 1200 broken into smaller carb amounts works
fine.

x-no-archive: yes

Grace wrote:

>>TY Susan, It's nice to see I.m not alone. I'm going
>
> with the
>
>>calorie counting. I have a booklet that tells how many
>
> calories are
>
>>in certain foods and the amount to eat. I can plan my
>
> meals. If I
>
>>am going somewhere special I can save up my calories and
>
> eat
>
>>moderately during the day and splurge at night, in
>
> moderation. Wish
>
>>me luck. Test, test.

Test, test, test and you'll find out that Ozgirl is right, you can't
save up your calories or your carbs, blood glucose is most level and
best managed by spreading them out over several meals and snacks per day.

If you get a high reading one hour after a meal, just cut the starch and
make a note of how much you had and what it was, so you'll know for
future reference what your yay and nay foods are, and which must be cut
to smaller, less frequent occurrences.

Susan

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:17:53 +1100, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>. But 1200 cals over 3 meals would raise my bg too
>high, the same 1200 broken into smaller carb amounts works
>fine.


Sounds like good sense and the voice of experience, Jan... My problem
is that I get so very busy during the day that I ususally do not even
get time for lunch... so I know I have at least a couple of spikes and
some significant lows, during my usual two meal days, punctuated with
a few very light nibbles of snacks...

The 1200-1300 calorie range is what seems to work for me, too...

Will, T2