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Old 07-09-2007, 09:44 PM
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TOLERANCE IN ISLAM
In Spain under the Umayyads and in Baghdad under the Abbasid Khalifas,
Christians and Jews, equally with Muslims, were admitted to the
Schools and universities - not only that, but were boarded and lodged
in hostels at the cost of the state. When the Moors were driven out of
Spain, the Christian conquerors held a terrific persecution of the
Jews. Those who were fortunate enough to escape fled, some of them to
Morocco and many hundreds to the Turkish empire, where their
descendants still live in separate communities, and still speak among
themselves an antiquated form of Spanish. The Muslim empire was a
refuge for all those who fled from persecution by the Inquisition.
The Western Christians, till the arrival of the Encyclopaedists in the
eighteenth century, did not know and did not care to know, what the
Muslim believed, nor did the Western Christian seek to know the views
of Eastern Christians with regard to them. The Christian Church was
already split in two, and in the end, it came to such a pass that the
Eastern Christians, as Gibbon shows, preferred Muslim rule, which
allowed them to practice their own form of religion and adhere to
their peculiar dogmas, to the rule of fellow Christians who would have
made them Roman Catholics or wiped them out.
For the Muslims, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are but three forms
of one religion, which, in its original purity, was the religion of
Abraham: Al-Islam, that perfect Self-Surrender to the Will of God,
which is the basis of Theocracy. The Jews, in their religion, after
Moses, limited God's mercy to their chosen nation and thought of His
kingdom as the dominion of their race.
Even Christ himself, as several of his sayings show, declared that he
was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel and seemed to
regard his mission as to the Hebrews only; and it was only after a
special vision vouchsafed to St. Peter that his followers in after
days considered themselves authorized to preach the Gospel to the
Gentiles. The Christians limited God's mercy to those who believed
certain dogmas. Every one who failed to hold the dogmas was an outcast
or a miscreant, to be persecuted for his or her soul's good. In Islam
only is manifest the real nature of the Kingdom of God.
The two verses (2:255-256) of the Qur'an are supplementary. Where
there is that realization of the majesty and dominion of Allah (SWT),
there is no compulsion in religion. Men choose their path - allegiance
or opposition - and it is sufficient punishment for those who oppose
that they draw further and further away from the light of truth.
In Egypt the Copts were on terms of closest friendship with the
Muslims in the first centuries of the Muslim conquest, and they are on
terms at closest friendship with the Muslims at the present day. In
Syria the various Christian communities lived on terms of closest
friendship with the Muslims in the first centuries of the Muslim
conquest, and they are on terms of closest friendship with the Muslims
at the present day, openly preferring Muslim domination to a foreign
yoke....
>From the expulsion of the Moriscos dates the degradation and decline

of Spain. San Fernando was really wiser and more patriotic in his
tolerance to conquered Seville, Murcia and Toledo than was the later
king who, under the guise of Holy warfare, captured Grenada and let
the Inquisition work its will upon the Muslims and the Jews. And the
modern Balkan States and Greece are born under a curse. It may even
prove that the degradation and decline of European civilization will
be dated from the day when so-called civilized statesmen agreed to the
inhuman policy of Czarist Russia and gave their sanction to the crude
fanaticism of the Russian Church.
There is no doubt but that, in the eyes of history, religious
toleration is the highest evidence of culture in a people. Let no
Muslim, when looking on the ruin of the Muslim realm which was
compassed through the agency of those very peoples whom the Muslims
had tolerated and protected through the centuries when Western Europe
thought it a religious duty to exterminate or forcibly convert all
peoples of another faith than theirs - let no Muslim, seeing this,
imagine that toleration is a weakness in Islam. It is the greatest
strength of Islam because it is the attitude of truth.

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Old 07-09-2007, 09:44 PM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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neighbor a...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> TOLERANCE IN ISLAM
> In Spain under the Umayyads and in Baghdad under the Abbasid Khalifas,
> Christians and Jews, equally with Muslims, were admitted to the
> Schools and universities - not only that, but were boarded and lodged
> in hostels at the cost of the state. When the Moors were driven out of
> Spain, the Christian conquerors held a terrific persecution of the
> Jews. Those who were fortunate enough to escape fled, some of them to
> Morocco and many hundreds to the Turkish empire, where their
> descendants still live in separate communities, and still speak among
> themselves an antiquated form of Spanish. The Muslim empire was a
> refuge for all those who fled from persecution by the Inquisition.
> The Western Christians, till the arrival of the Encyclopaedists in the
> eighteenth century, did not know and did not care to know, what the
> Muslim believed, nor did the Western Christian seek to know the views
> of Eastern Christians with regard to them. The Christian Church was
> already split in two, and in the end, it came to such a pass that the
> Eastern Christians, as Gibbon shows, preferred Muslim rule, which
> allowed them to practice their own form of religion and adhere to
> their peculiar dogmas, to the rule of fellow Christians who would have
> made them Roman Catholics or wiped them out.
> For the Muslims, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are but three forms
> of one religion, which, in its original purity, was the religion of
> Abraham: Al-Islam, that perfect Self-Surrender to the Will of God,
> which is the basis of Theocracy. The Jews, in their religion, after
> Moses, limited God's mercy to their chosen nation and thought of His
> kingdom as the dominion of their race.
> Even Christ himself, as several of his sayings show, declared that he
> was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel and seemed to
> regard his mission as to the Hebrews only; and it was only after a
> special vision vouchsafed to St. Peter that his followers in after
> days considered themselves authorized to preach the Gospel to the
> Gentiles. The Christians limited God's mercy to those who believed
> certain dogmas. Every one who failed to hold the dogmas was an outcast
> or a miscreant, to be persecuted for his or her soul's good. In Islam
> only is manifest the real nature of the Kingdom of God.
> The two verses (2:255-256) of the Qur'an are supplementary. Where
> there is that realization of the majesty and dominion of Allah (SWT),
> there is no compulsion in religion. Men choose their path - allegiance
> or opposition - and it is sufficient punishment for those who oppose
> that they draw further and further away from the light of truth.
> In Egypt the Copts were on terms of closest friendship with the
> Muslims in the first centuries of the Muslim conquest, and they are on
> terms at closest friendship with the Muslims at the present day. In
> Syria the various Christian communities lived on terms of closest
> friendship with the Muslims in the first centuries of the Muslim
> conquest, and they are on terms of closest friendship with the Muslims
> at the present day, openly preferring Muslim domination to a foreign
> yoke....
> >From the expulsion of the Moriscos dates the degradation and decline

> of Spain. San Fernando was really wiser and more patriotic in his
> tolerance to conquered Seville, Murcia and Toledo than was the later
> king who, under the guise of Holy warfare, captured Grenada and let
> the Inquisition work its will upon the Muslims and the Jews. And the
> modern Balkan States and Greece are born under a curse. It may even
> prove that the degradation and decline of European civilization will
> be dated from the day when so-called civilized statesmen agreed to the
> inhuman policy of Czarist Russia and gave their sanction to the crude
> fanaticism of the Russian Church.
> There is no doubt but that, in the eyes of history, religious
> toleration is the highest evidence of culture in a people. Let no
> Muslim, when looking on the ruin of the Muslim realm which was
> compassed through the agency of those very peoples whom the Muslims
> had tolerated and protected through the centuries when Western Europe
> thought it a religious duty to exterminate or forcibly convert all
> peoples of another faith than theirs - let no Muslim, seeing this,
> imagine that toleration is a weakness in Islam. It is the greatest
> strength of Islam because it is the attitude of truth.


There is no greater tolerance than among those who love their enemies
as they would love themselves.

Suggested reading:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4237a09bc29bbe

The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...

.... we are simply forgiven by GOD (Allah):

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/

May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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Old 07-09-2007, 09:44 PM
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc11@emorycardiology.com> expuled in
news:1183998369.962390.104890@22g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com:

Sock Notice: heartdoc11 in use. "Socks for Satan"tm 9,10,12-16,"andrew"
occupied picking scabs in hell.

> neighbor a...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> TOLERANCE IN ISLAM

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>> let no Muslim, seeing this,
>> imagine that toleration is a weakness in Islam. It is the greatest
>> strength of Islam because it is the attitude of truth.

>
> There is no greater tolerance than among those who love their enemies
> as they would love themselves.

As much as we tolerate Andrew's insane behaviour demon-strated by him
succumbing to his personal unholy ghost and cross posting this into a
sci.med group, it does not mean we should not do anything about it.
Perhaps if enough people complained to the ISP currently hosting
emorycardiology.com it might disappear for a while.
>
> Suggested reading:

Looking up this domain's ip address using www.hcidata.co.uk/host2ip.htm
gives an ip address of 64.202.189.170 which when handed to
http://www.arin.net/whois/ shows the following information:

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE51-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Department
OrgAbusePhone: +1-480-624-2505
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@godaddy.com

>
>
> The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
> special...

A statement which causes Andrew's personal demon to groan in anguish until
he remembers that Andrew has taken himself out of the brethren.
>
> ... we are simply forgiven by GOD (Allah):
>
> http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/

Me:Hi God, how's it going ?
God: Not bad, still have problems with a fringe element on one or two
quadrillion planets.
Me:I come from earth.
God: I quite like that one, especially the fjords, such nice crinkly
edges.
Me:The christian fundamentalists on my planet are really insane.
God: I know. (giggles) Have I got a surprise for them.
Me: Go on, what is it.
God: No. It's a surprise.
Me: Any hints ?
God: No, but at the pearly gates, tell St. Peter to give you a camera, I
want somebody to get their faces when they find out.
Me: About Jesus...
God: Who ? Oh Jesus. They're not still on about him are they ?
Me: Yup
God: He was quite a nice guy, said some nice things. Cursed a bush once,
silly really.
Me: Some fundies are saying he is You, others are saying he was not You
but Your "only begotten" son. Other's say he is Lord What's the real
deal ?
God: Jesus was a man, you're a man, live your life to your best as he did.
All else is just cat-calling from the peanut gallery.
Me: Cool
God: I have my moments.

>
> May you wisewy choose to be fowgiven too by pubwicwy decwawing with
> youw mouth that "Jesus is WOWD:"

Me: You wouldn't make Andrew talk like this in real life would you ?
God: Don't tempt me (grin)

>
> http://HeawtMDPhD.com/HowySpiwit/TheWay

SPAM SITE
SPAM
SPAM
SPAM
>
> Pwayewfuwwy in Jesus' awesome wove,
>
> Andwew <><
> --
> Andwew B. Chung, MD/PhD/NJ/WOKA
> Ex-Cawdiowogist
>
>

Andy is Evil

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Old 07-10-2007, 02:51 AM
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc11@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message

> There is no greater tolerance than among those who love their enemies
> as they would love themselves.


A good test of a religion or philosophy is how well it helps its adherents
cope with life.

If we showed al Qaeda tolerance and the love of your jesus, we'd all be dead
or living in a 7th century theocracy.

Also, look at your state, Andrew. Look what jesus has done for you.


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