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  1. #1
    Susan Guest

    Default Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

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    Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and nonalcoholic
    steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for diabetes
    management. At the time, the patient's aspartate aminotransferase (AST)
    was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase (ALT) was 102
    U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on rosuvastatin 10 mg once
    daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had declined to 35 U/L
    and 64 U/L, respectively.

    Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was started
    on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated hemoglobin A1c of 8.2%.
    The patient's other medications included amlodipine 5 mg once daily,
    benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once daily, glucosamine 500
    mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily, and indomethacin 25 mg
    once daily as needed. One month after initiation of sitagliptin, liver
    enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST and ALT of 71 U/L and 127
    U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and ALT levels were 70 U/L
    and 137 U/L, respectively. All other corresponding hepatic function
    results were within normal range for the patient. A full medication
    review was performed.

    Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver enzyme
    levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver enzymes a month
    after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a significant decrease in AST
    and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most recently, 6 months after
    discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35 U/L and 62 U/L, respectively.


    Lesson Learned:

    Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or in the
    literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not indicated any
    liver-related side effects, every person is unique and assume anything
    is possible.

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    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia



    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    >
    > Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    > A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and nonalcoholic
    > steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for diabetes
    > management. At the time, the patient's aspartate aminotransferase
    > (AST) was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase (ALT)
    > was 102 U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on rosuvastatin
    > 10 mg once daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had
    > declined to 35 U/L and 64 U/L, respectively.
    >
    > Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was
    > started on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated hemoglobin
    > A1c of 8.2%. The patient's other medications included amlodipine 5 mg
    > once daily, benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once daily,
    > glucosamine 500 mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily, and
    > indomethacin 25 mg once daily as needed. One month after initiation of
    > sitagliptin, liver enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST and ALT
    > of 71 U/L and 127 U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and ALT
    > levels were 70 U/L and 137 U/L, respectively. All other corresponding
    > hepatic function results were within normal range for the patient. A
    > full medication review was performed.
    >
    > Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver
    > enzyme levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver
    > enzymes a month after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a significant
    > decrease in AST and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most
    > recently, 6 months after discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35 U/L and
    > 62 U/L, respectively.
    >
    >
    > Lesson Learned:
    >
    > Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or in
    > the literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not
    > indicated any liver-related side effects, every person is unique and
    > assume anything is possible.


    Another lesson, be wary of giving ANY drug (as they are processed in the
    liver, even vitamins) to someone who already has an abnormal liver
    panel. This case is another reason to promote treating fatty liver with
    dietary intervention.


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    [email protected] | Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

    On Mar 2, 3:12*pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    > "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]..
    >
    >
    >
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    >
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    >
    >
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    > > x-no-archive: yes

    >
    > > Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    > > A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and nonalcoholic
    > > steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for diabetes
    > > management. At the time, the patient's aspartate aminotransferase
    > > (AST) was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase (ALT)
    > > was 102 U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on rosuvastatin
    > > 10 mg once daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had
    > > declined to 35 U/L and 64 U/L, respectively.

    >
    > > Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was
    > > started on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated hemoglobin
    > > A1c of 8.2%. The patient's other medications included amlodipine 5 mg
    > > once daily, benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once daily,
    > > glucosamine 500 mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily, and
    > > indomethacin 25 mg once daily as needed. One month after initiation of
    > > sitagliptin, liver enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST and ALT
    > > of 71 U/L and 127 U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and ALT
    > > levels were 70 U/L and 137 U/L, respectively. All other corresponding
    > > hepatic function results were within normal range for the patient. A
    > > full medication review was performed.

    >
    > > Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver
    > > enzyme levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver
    > > enzymes a month after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a significant
    > > decrease in AST and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most
    > > recently, 6 months after discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35 U/L and
    > > 62 U/L, respectively.

    >
    > > Lesson Learned:

    >
    > > Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or in
    > > the literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not
    > > indicated any liver-related side effects, every person is unique and
    > > assume anything is possible.

    >
    > Another lesson, be wary of giving ANY drug (as they are processed in the
    > liver, even vitamins) to someone who already has an abnormal liver
    > panel. This case is another reason to promote treating fatty liver with
    > dietary intervention.


    Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    Agree or not?

    Trig

  4. #4
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

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    On 3/2/2011 7:44 PM, [email protected] | wrote:

    > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    > Agree or not?



    I don't have your familiarity with betaine and choline, but certainly
    stopping fructose, keeping carbs low, checking for high cortisol, an
    extremely common cause of NAFLD, and use of ALA and silymarin are good
    ideas.

    ALA and milk thistle alone have rapidly lowered liver enzymes in a
    number of folks I know, some of whom took them on doc's orders.

    Susan


  5. #5
    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia



    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mar 2, 3:12 pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    >> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > x-no-archive: yes

    >>
    >> > Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    >> > A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and
    >> > nonalcoholic
    >> > steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for
    >> > diabetes
    >> > management. At the time, the patient's aspartate aminotransferase
    >> > (AST) was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase
    >> > (ALT)
    >> > was 102 U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on
    >> > rosuvastatin
    >> > 10 mg once daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had
    >> > declined to 35 U/L and 64 U/L, respectively.

    >>
    >> > Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was
    >> > started on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated hemoglobin
    >> > A1c of 8.2%. The patient's other medications included amlodipine 5
    >> > mg
    >> > once daily, benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once daily,
    >> > glucosamine 500 mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily, and
    >> > indomethacin 25 mg once daily as needed. One month after initiation
    >> > of
    >> > sitagliptin, liver enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST and
    >> > ALT
    >> > of 71 U/L and 127 U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and
    >> > ALT
    >> > levels were 70 U/L and 137 U/L, respectively. All other
    >> > corresponding
    >> > hepatic function results were within normal range for the patient.
    >> > A
    >> > full medication review was performed.

    >>
    >> > Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver
    >> > enzyme levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver
    >> > enzymes a month after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a
    >> > significant
    >> > decrease in AST and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most
    >> > recently, 6 months after discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35 U/L
    >> > and
    >> > 62 U/L, respectively.

    >>
    >> > Lesson Learned:

    >>
    >> > Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or in
    >> > the literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not
    >> > indicated any liver-related side effects, every person is unique
    >> > and
    >> > assume anything is possible.

    >>
    >> Another lesson, be wary of giving ANY drug (as they are processed in
    >> the
    >> liver, even vitamins) to someone who already has an abnormal liver
    >> panel. This case is another reason to promote treating fatty liver
    >> with
    >> dietary intervention.

    >
    > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    > Agree or not?
    >
    > Trig


    And a few other odds and sods including lowering carbs, especially the
    processed ones. Fatty liver can be reversed.




  6. #6
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

    trigonometry1972 wrote:
    > Ozgirl wrote:
    > > Susan wrote in message:
    > >
    > > > Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    > > > A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and nonalcoholic
    > > > steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for diabetes
    > > > management. At the time, the patient's aspartate aminotransferase
    > > > (AST) was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase (ALT)
    > > > was 102 U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on rosuvastatin
    > > > 10 mg once daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had
    > > > declined to 35 U/L and 64 U/L, respectively.

    > >
    > > > Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was
    > > > started on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated hemoglobin
    > > > A1c of 8.2%. The patient's other medications included amlodipine 5 mg
    > > > once daily, benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once daily,
    > > > glucosamine 500 mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily, and
    > > > indomethacin 25 mg once daily as needed. One month after initiation of
    > > > sitagliptin, liver enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST and ALT
    > > > of 71 U/L and 127 U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and ALT
    > > > levels were 70 U/L and 137 U/L, respectively. All other corresponding
    > > > hepatic function results were within normal range for the patient. A
    > > > full medication review was performed.

    > >
    > > > Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver
    > > > enzyme levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver
    > > > enzymes a month after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a significant
    > > > decrease in AST and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most
    > > > recently, 6 months after discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35 U/L and
    > > > 62 U/L, respectively.

    > >
    > > > Lesson Learned:

    > >
    > > > Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or in
    > > > the literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not
    > > > indicated any liver-related side effects, every person is unique and
    > > > assume anything is possible.

    > >
    > > Another lesson, be wary of giving ANY drug (as they are processed in the
    > > liver, even vitamins) to someone who already has an abnormal liver
    > > panel. This case is another reason to promote treating fatty liver with
    > > dietary intervention.

    >
    > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    > Agree or not?


    First above all else, the overeating must stop and the only healthy
    way to stop overeating is to hold to the right daily amount (32 oz) of
    food.

    Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
    more sophisticated and smarter:

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...ef74488074acf?

    Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
    diabetics and other heart disease patients:

    http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

    We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
    Approach to get our...

    http://WDJW.net/Status

    and then...

    http://WDJW.net/Update

    so that there will be...

    http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

    Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

    Mathematical:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

    Historical:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

    Medical:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

    Psychological:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

    So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
    "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

    http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

    There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

    http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

    "A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
    put me on some serious reality

    I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
    obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
    happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
    up in the not breathing state

    ok some call it DEAD

    that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
    weight more or less.

    Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
    but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
    things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

    Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
    heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

    Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
    discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

    Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
    Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

    In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
    WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
    calories.

    I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
    more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
    than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

    Source:

    http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

    Love in the truth,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-certified Cardiologist
    and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...0c19df5ffc2f7?

  7. #7
    [email protected] | Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

    On Mar 2, 5:08*pm, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On 3/2/2011 7:44 PM, trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
    >
    > > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    > > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    > > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    > > Agree or not?

    >
    > I don't have your familiarity with betaine and choline, but certainly
    > stopping fructose, keeping carbs low, checking for high cortisol, an
    > extremely common cause of NAFLD, and use of ALA and silymarin are good
    > ideas.
    >
    > ALA and milk thistle alone have rapidly lowered liver enzymes in a
    > number of folks I know, some of whom took them on doc's orders.
    >
    > Susan


    I've noticed (like others) that the lipoic acid I take tends to bother
    my stomach.

    There is evidence for the use of methyl group contributors
    in the TX and prevention of fatty livers. Just PubMed the
    right search words.

    The silymarin doesn't have such effects. I need to be more
    regular about taking it.

    The high cortisol issue is something I haven't looked at.
    So thanks, this something I get to consider as a new
    idea to me.

    Trig

  8. #8
    [email protected] | Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

    On Mar 2, 5:30*pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    > <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Mar 2, 3:12 pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    > >> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message

    >
    > >>news:[email protected]..

    >
    > >> > x-no-archive: yes

    >
    > >> > Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    > >> > A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and
    > >> > nonalcoholic
    > >> > steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for
    > >> > diabetes
    > >> > management. At the time, the patient's aspartate aminotransferase
    > >> > (AST) was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase
    > >> > (ALT)
    > >> > was 102 U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on
    > >> > rosuvastatin
    > >> > 10 mg once daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had
    > >> > declined to 35 U/L and 64 U/L, respectively.

    >
    > >> > Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was
    > >> > started on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated hemoglobin
    > >> > A1c of 8.2%. The patient's other medications included amlodipine 5
    > >> > mg
    > >> > once daily, benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once daily,
    > >> > glucosamine 500 mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily, and
    > >> > indomethacin 25 mg once daily as needed. One month after initiation
    > >> > of
    > >> > sitagliptin, liver enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST and
    > >> > ALT
    > >> > of 71 U/L and 127 U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and
    > >> > ALT
    > >> > levels were 70 U/L and 137 U/L, respectively. All other
    > >> > corresponding
    > >> > hepatic function results were within normal range for the patient.
    > >> > A
    > >> > full medication review was performed.

    >
    > >> > Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver
    > >> > enzyme levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver
    > >> > enzymes a month after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a
    > >> > significant
    > >> > decrease in AST and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most
    > >> > recently, 6 months after discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35 U/L
    > >> > and
    > >> > 62 U/L, respectively.

    >
    > >> > Lesson Learned:

    >
    > >> > Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or in
    > >> > the literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not
    > >> > indicated any liver-related side effects, every person is unique
    > >> > and
    > >> > assume anything is possible.

    >
    > >> Another lesson, be wary of giving ANY drug (as they are processed in
    > >> the
    > >> liver, even vitamins) to someone who already has an abnormal liver
    > >> panel. This case is another reason to promote treating fatty liver
    > >> with
    > >> dietary intervention.

    >
    > > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    > > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    > > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    > > Agree or not?

    >
    > > Trig

    >
    > And a few other odds and sods including lowering carbs, especially the
    > processed ones. Fatty liver can be reversed.


    Odds and sods? I get the lowering the carbs.

  9. #9
    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia



    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Mar 2, 5:30 pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    >> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:[email protected]...
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    >> > On Mar 2, 3:12 pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    >> >> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message

    >>
    >> >>news:[email protected]..

    >>
    >> >> > x-no-archive: yes

    >>
    >> >> > Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    >> >> > A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and
    >> >> > nonalcoholic
    >> >> > steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for
    >> >> > diabetes
    >> >> > management. At the time, the patient's aspartate
    >> >> > aminotransferase
    >> >> > (AST) was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase
    >> >> > (ALT)
    >> >> > was 102 U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on
    >> >> > rosuvastatin
    >> >> > 10 mg once daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had
    >> >> > declined to 35 U/L and 64 U/L, respectively.

    >>
    >> >> > Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was
    >> >> > started on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated
    >> >> > hemoglobin
    >> >> > A1c of 8.2%. The patient's other medications included amlodipine
    >> >> > 5
    >> >> > mg
    >> >> > once daily, benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once
    >> >> > daily,
    >> >> > glucosamine 500 mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily,
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > indomethacin 25 mg once daily as needed. One month after
    >> >> > initiation
    >> >> > of
    >> >> > sitagliptin, liver enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > ALT
    >> >> > of 71 U/L and 127 U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and
    >> >> > ALT
    >> >> > levels were 70 U/L and 137 U/L, respectively. All other
    >> >> > corresponding
    >> >> > hepatic function results were within normal range for the
    >> >> > patient.
    >> >> > A
    >> >> > full medication review was performed.

    >>
    >> >> > Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver
    >> >> > enzyme levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver
    >> >> > enzymes a month after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a
    >> >> > significant
    >> >> > decrease in AST and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most
    >> >> > recently, 6 months after discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35
    >> >> > U/L
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > 62 U/L, respectively.

    >>
    >> >> > Lesson Learned:

    >>
    >> >> > Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or
    >> >> > in
    >> >> > the literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not
    >> >> > indicated any liver-related side effects, every person is unique
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > assume anything is possible.

    >>
    >> >> Another lesson, be wary of giving ANY drug (as they are processed
    >> >> in
    >> >> the
    >> >> liver, even vitamins) to someone who already has an abnormal liver
    >> >> panel. This case is another reason to promote treating fatty liver
    >> >> with
    >> >> dietary intervention.

    >>
    >> > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    >> > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    >> > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    >> > Agree or not?

    >>
    >> > Trig

    >>
    >> And a few other odds and sods including lowering carbs, especially
    >> the
    >> processed ones. Fatty liver can be reversed.

    >
    > Odds and sods? I get the lowering the carbs.


    The silymarin and ALA as Susan suggested. IOW there are ways and means
    to rid oneself of fatty liver. It used to be the norm that doctors did a
    liver panel before prescribing metformin. I am not hearing much about
    that kind of precaution these days. One can presume that a T2 possibly
    has fatty liver at diagnosis so it doesn't seem far-fetched to assume
    that any oral drug prescribed might have an impact on the liver.
    Particularly when it is known that drugs are processed through the
    liver. I frit knew I had fatty liver after tests years ago. I asked the
    doc why certain numbers were abnormal and he said oh, that just means
    you have a fatty liver. End of explanation and he was not concerned.


  10. #10
    GysdeJongh Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

    [email protected] wrote:

    > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    > Agree or not?


    if you don't like fatty liver go to another butcher or stop eating liver
    alltogether


  11. #11
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia


    "Ozgirl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On Mar 2, 5:30 pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    >>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> > On Mar 2, 3:12 pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
    >>> >> "Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
    >>>
    >>> >>news:8t7arbF[email protected]..
    >>>
    >>> >> > x-no-archive: yes
    >>>
    >>> >> > Diabetes Disaster Averted #22: Unexpected Side Effects
    >>> >> > A 58-year-old male with a history of Type 2 diabetes and
    >>> >> > nonalcoholic
    >>> >> > steatohepatitis (diagnosed in 2006) presented to a clinic for
    >>> >> > diabetes
    >>> >> > management. At the time, the patient's aspartate aminotransferase
    >>> >> > (AST) was 53 U/L...(normal <40 U/L) and alanine aminotransferase
    >>> >> > (ALT)
    >>> >> > was 102 U/L (normal <40 U/L). The patient was started on
    >>> >> > rosuvastatin
    >>> >> > 10 mg once daily. One month following therapy, AST and ALT had
    >>> >> > declined to 35 U/L and 64 U/L, respectively.
    >>>
    >>> >> > Two months after the initiation of rosuvastatin, the patient was
    >>> >> > started on sitagliptin 100 mg once daily due to elevated hemoglobin
    >>> >> > A1c of 8.2%. The patient's other medications included amlodipine 5
    >>> >> > mg
    >>> >> > once daily, benazepril 20 mg once daily, aspirin 81 mg once daily,
    >>> >> > glucosamine 500 mg once daily, chondroitin 400 mg once daily, and
    >>> >> > indomethacin 25 mg once daily as needed. One month after initiation
    >>> >> > of
    >>> >> > sitagliptin, liver enzymes were monitored and revealed an AST and
    >>> >> > ALT
    >>> >> > of 71 U/L and 127 U/L, respectively. Four days later the AST and
    >>> >> > ALT
    >>> >> > levels were 70 U/L and 137 U/L, respectively. All other
    >>> >> > corresponding
    >>> >> > hepatic function results were within normal range for the patient.
    >>> >> > A
    >>> >> > full medication review was performed.
    >>>
    >>> >> > Sitagliptin was discussed as a possible cause of increased liver
    >>> >> > enzyme levels and promptly discontinued. Reexamination of liver
    >>> >> > enzymes a month after discontinuing sitagliptin revealed a
    >>> >> > significant
    >>> >> > decrease in AST and ALT (48 U/L and 90 U/L, respectively). Most
    >>> >> > recently, 6 months after discontinuation, AST and ALT were 35 U/L
    >>> >> > and
    >>> >> > 62 U/L, respectively.
    >>>
    >>> >> > Lesson Learned:
    >>>
    >>> >> > Never assume that the only side-effects on the package insert or in
    >>> >> > the literature can happen. Even though prior studies have not
    >>> >> > indicated any liver-related side effects, every person is unique
    >>> >> > and
    >>> >> > assume anything is possible.
    >>>
    >>> >> Another lesson, be wary of giving ANY drug (as they are processed in
    >>> >> the
    >>> >> liver, even vitamins) to someone who already has an abnormal liver
    >>> >> panel. This case is another reason to promote treating fatty liver
    >>> >> with
    >>> >> dietary intervention.
    >>>
    >>> > Like increasing betaine and choline intakes? Or
    >>> > dropping fructose intake? Those are approaches
    >>> > that look to me as useful in the context of a fatty liver.
    >>> > Agree or not?
    >>>
    >>> > Trig
    >>>
    >>> And a few other odds and sods including lowering carbs, especially the
    >>> processed ones. Fatty liver can be reversed.

    >>
    >> Odds and sods? I get the lowering the carbs.

    >
    > The silymarin and ALA as Susan suggested. IOW there are ways and means to
    > rid oneself of fatty liver. It used to be the norm that doctors did a
    > liver panel before prescribing metformin. I am not hearing much about
    > that kind of precaution these days. One can presume that a T2 possibly has
    > fatty liver at diagnosis so it doesn't seem far-fetched to assume that any
    > oral drug prescribed might have an impact on the liver. Particularly when
    > it is known that drugs are processed through the liver. I frit knew I had
    > fatty liver after tests years ago. I asked the doc why certain numbers
    > were abnormal and he said oh, that just means you have a fatty liver. End
    > of explanation and he was not concerned.


    My Dr. was similarly not concerned. I tried the two supplements. I still
    take the ALA. But the milk thistle? Did nothing.



  12. #12
    GysdeJongh Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

    [email protected] wrote:

    > I've noticed (like others) that the lipoic acid
    > There is evidence for the use of methyl group contributors
    > The silymarin doesn't have such effects.
    > The high cortisol


    if the waiter would give me the above advice I would go to another
    restaurant

    > I get to consider a new idea


    souds good
    a new idea, a new life
    the local farm starts the new asparagus season to day



  13. #13
    Ken Guest

    Default Re: QUACK WARNING

    NEVER take advice from a QUACK

  14. #14
    Happy Oyster Guest

    Default Re: Unexpected liver damage, a case study involving Januvia

    On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:50:03 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >First above all else, the overeating must stop and the only healthy
    >way to stop overeating is to hold to the right daily amount (32 oz) of
    >food.



    That is insane.

    Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung's medical claims can - if followed - lead to death.
    And he knows that. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be erased from the
    planet.

    Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a danger to the public.


    FAQ about the Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    ========================================

    3.3.2011

    0. Preword
    1. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine
    2. Andrew Ben Hua Chung and the Georgia medical board
    3. Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
    4. verity about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
    5. GreatSageItchy about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    6. What the criminal stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung writes in his web-site
    The attorneys of state at Atlanta have homework to do!
    7. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    8. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    9. Facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    10. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be killed
    11. The deathlist of Satan Ben Hua Chung: over 260 people he wants to be killed
    12. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud; he spits on the Ten Commandments
    13. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung tramps on dying patients and on dead patients.
    14. Dr. Hildner's letter to Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    15. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung lies IN PUBLIC *IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE*
    16. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud: his domains are forgeries
    17. How did Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung forge all his medical exams?
    18. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung so drunk that he even mixes up breastfeeding and
    foetus nouriture via umbilical cord
    19. Studies about hunger and brain shrinkage


    0. Preword
    ----------

    Today is May, 6th., 2010.

    Since 14.9.2009 until now I received 9135 posts in this very news-group
    sci.med.cardiology.

    Of these 9135 posts 3228 are sent by Andrew Ben Hua Chung. His sole interest is
    to harass and to stalk others.

    Here are some quotes of examples:

    On Thu, 06 May 2010 10:25:13 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
    >psychopathology:




    On Thu, 06 May 2010 08:46:45 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    A look at the header reveals:

    From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]>
    Newsgroups:
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt .bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet .theology

    Subject: Politely asking Steve Hayes a 4th time here that simple yes/no question
    that only the perishing can't answer with an affirmative ...


    Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a damned swine and criminal Net stalker, he even
    terrorizes dying patients. Following his "advice" can lead to death.


    The usenet is one of the most wonderful and important inventions in the history
    of mankind. It is not meant to be abused by criminals like the sadistic stalker
    Andrew Ben Hua Chung.



    1. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine
    ----------------------------------

    Andrew Ben Hua Chung is no real doctor. He is a sadistic swine. He makes claims
    (gives medical "advice"), which to follow can lead to death.

    Hunger damages the brain tissue.

    But Andrew Ben Hua Chung day for day bombs his **** into the Net. He terrorizes
    persons who object him, by pulling off his insane religiot mumbo-jumbo.

    Look at the state of various news-goups, including so important ones like

    sci.med.cardiology


    His mess he bombs simltaneously into

    sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt .bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.atheism

    What the hell has alt.atheism to do with cardiology!?

    Andrew Ben Hung Chung is a swine of a spammer. He copies the same **** uncounted
    times as "reply" to objections against his ****.

    What he does is by no means covered by "Free Speech".

    He interferes public safety phones, this way violating the public safety rules.

    He is a danger to public.


    2. "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
    -------------------------------------------------------

    http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/.../msg00014.html

    <quote>
    "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
    From: "Tdub" <gripshift5@xxxxxxxxx>
    Date: 1 Jan 2007 18:13:38 -0800
    By the manner of his participation in this forum "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung"
    may have violated the following section 360-3-.02 of the Rules of the
    Georgia Medical Board ("Unprofessional Conduct Defined"):

    (6) Providing treatment and/or consultation recommendations via
    electronic or other means unless the licensee has performed a history and
    physical examination of the patient adequate to establish differential diagnoses
    and identify underlying conditions and/or contra- indications to the treatment
    recommended.

    (13) Practicing medicine while mentally, physically, or chemically impaired.

    (14) Failing to use such means as history, physical examination, laboratory, or
    radiographic studies, when applicable, to diagnose a medical problem.

    In addition, the Board may require Dr. Chung to get a psych evaluation:

    360-3-.04 Mental or Physical Evaluations.
    (1) The Board may, upon reasonable grounds, require a licensee or
    applicant to submit to a mental or physical examination by a physician and/or
    evaluation program approved by the Board. The costs of the evaluation are the
    responsibility of the licensee or applicant.

    TO FILE A COMPLAINT:

    Here is a link to the complaint form (copy and paste address text as
    needed into browser address bar+remove any blank spaces):

    http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/vgn/...ver%20Form.pdf

    You will need this information to fill out the form:

    License type: Medical Doctor
    Name of licensee: Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
    Address of licensee: 5701 Mableton Parkway 2B, MABLETON, GA 30126

    The form can be sent to (or you can call to get a form or file a
    complaint, etc.):

    Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
    Enforcement Unit
    2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor
    Atlanta, Georgia 30303
    PH: (404) 657-6487
    FX: (404) 656-9723
    </quote>


    3. Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
    ------------------------------------------

    http://www.mombu.com/medicine/heart/...t-1451523.html

    <quote>
    7th March 07:42
    bob pastorio

    Just something for many of you to think about.
    ----------------------------------------------

    It is laughter. It is consuming, driving, uncontrollable mirth. It is
    the reaction to one of the most ironic posts I've ever seen. It is the
    laughter of confirmation. It is the laughter that comes when the full
    truth about you is revealed after myriad of your efforts to try to
    conceal it.

    You're hilarious, Chung. And you don't even get it.

    But this leads to a more serious subject. It's this: I've come to the
    realization that you actually believe the stuff you write here. That
    it's terribly important to you despite your declarations to the
    contrary, that it's just usenet. That it's merely usenet and not to be
    taken seriously. Your gratitude for the "opportunity to witness before
    so many" or words to that effect present a sobering picture. You
    actually believe that your proselytizing in these threads will yield
    good result. You believe that your tactics are acceptable because
    others will hear your promotion of your idea of Christianity.

    You have the zealotry of the fanatic. The unassailable conviction that
    you have an exclusive grasp on truth. That you are perfect in your
    understanding and perfect in your belief and that any means to present
    that to others is acceptable. Thus you have taken a rather low road
    for what you see as a high purpose.

    I'm bowing out of all this, Chung. Not because I think you right, but
    because I see that I overestimated you. I didn't really want to
    believe that you were simply a fundamentalist Christian zealot. I
    thought that a scientific background would create in you a desire for
    evidence and proof or at least a rigorous logical perspective. One can
    be a believer and still be a conscientious scientist. I know many such
    people. You don't seem to be that person.

    Your 2PoundDiet may be useful for a few, but I doubt it could have any
    wider utility. I think it's superficial and too limited for general
    application. It admits of no impulse and none of the pleasure of
    either the food or the social table. You've utterly ignored the
    communion and secondary issues of the table that have nothing to do
    with food in your formulation. The children of parents doing 2PD
    seeing no pleasure in the moment or the offerings will grow to wish to
    avoid the setting. Particularly in the culture they're part of,
    whichever it is. Every culture on earth makes a big deal of community
    eating for the fellowship and respite. You've taken that away and
    turned it into a mere fuel stop. It flies in the face of eons or human
    evolution as social creatures. I certainly don't hate it; I think it's
    a trifle.

    You try to peddle the pejorative description of me as chef. As though
    it were somehow degrading to be one. It's honest labor and I'm pleased
    with my experience in food service and how I've affected the lives of
    hundreds of employees and hundreds of thousands of diners. I'm pleased
    with my life before that as an international marketer with big and
    little companies. That's neither here nor there for this note. Just
    information.

    Actually, at this stage of my life, I'm more a writer than chef. More
    than 1000 pieces published in newspapers and magazines across the US.
    Pieces in encyclopedia to come out next year. Web sites for many
    clients. Facts, rational and likely conclusions, and let the chips
    fall where they may. You don't work that way so we have little common
    purpose.

    Dealing with you has been an interesting study in the use of language.
    I've watched you deliberately obscure meaning. Deliberately
    misunderstand and mislead. Deliberately try to confuse and confound. I
    thought these were merely tactics. I was wrong. These are your
    lifeblood. These are your needs to prevent finding error in your
    belief package. These methods are central to your need to protect what
    you believe. My opinion is that they're profoundly unhealthy.
    Obviously, you disagree or you wouldn't do it.

    So here's the bottom line. I'm out of these threads with you. Barring
    some egregious post from you, I'm not going to participate in these
    little fiestas. I do think that the judgments you've shown in these
    posts reflect poorly on you as a person and as a medical professional.
    For you to throw around professional terminology like "differential
    diagnosis" as a tool of argument is IMO a shabby stunt, particularly
    when you know it to be a sham. So enjoy yourself with the other people
    you're playing with. The floor is yours to do with as you wish.

    I'm withdrawing from this confabulation. I suspect you'll do your
    abnormal normal thing and hang your macro at the end. Have at it.

    Pastorio
    </quote>


    4. verity about Chung
    ---------------------

    On 03 May 2010 13:17:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
    <quote>
    Truth:

    The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
    fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
    not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
    times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
    then science or valid medical practice


    All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
    agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
    agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
    corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
    saving can not deal with that truth.

    The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in
    scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a
    new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new
    information led where the agenda demands.

    Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
    and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
    which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
    case.

    There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar
    with the inventor's posts.

    May God bless and protect and heal.
    </quote>


    5. GreatSageItchy about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    --------------------------------------------

    On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 04:52:44 -0700, GreatSageItchy <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    <quote>
    ANDREW B. CHUNG IS A TOTALLY EGOCENTRIC, TOTALLY ARROGANT, INSANE,
    WHACK-JOB. HIS ATTRACTION TO RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY IS ENTIRELY THE
    ATTRACTION OF OPPOSITES. ANDREW CHUNG WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
    WHEN CAMELS FLY THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE, AND COWS FLY TO THE MOON.
    CHUNG IS A COCKROACH INFESTATION AND DESTROYER OF USENET*. DO NOT FEED
    COCKROACHES. (*See sci.med.cardiology)

    BOTTOM LINE ON CHUNG: ALL EGO, NOTHING BUT EGO. PURE ARROGANCE.
    TOTALLY UNREPENTENT ASSHOLE SPAMMER.
    TAGS: Andrew B. Chung, WDJW, sci.med.cardiology, Emory University,
    WDJW.net, 2PD-OMER Approach, total egoist, insane, internet creep,
    usenet #1 asshole, certifiable sick asshole, human garbage, closet
    homosexual, erectile dysfunction, MANBLA, young boys, molestation,
    chikan, pervert, pedophile, extreme fundamentalist Christian asshole,
    pseudo-christian, "Jesus is LORD" aka "EGO Christianity", psychopath,
    totally arrogant spammer, usenet cockroach, stalker, satanic demon,
    egomaniac, ladyboy, "chicks with dicks", "God loves fags", "Jesus is
    LORD GOD KING BUFU".

    Chung's Favorite Newsgroups:
    alt.EGO-Christianity.Jesus.is.LORD.GOD.KING.BUFU
    alt.prettyboy.loves-Jesus-and-cock
    alt.ladyboyChung.sucks.cock.for.Jesus
    alt.****.my.ladyboy.poosy
    alt.bottom.bitch.for.Jesus

    The sayings of Andrew B. Chung of Emory University:
    "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
    12:3). Can you say 'Jesus is LORD'? Can you also say 'Muhammad was a
    goat-****ing son of SATAN?'
    "This gentile Christian disciple reminds friends that the name 'Quran',
    as translated from original Arabic, means: 'Goat-****ing for dummies' "
    "It has been the observation of this bona-fide licensed physician that
    negros are actually big monkeys with large sex organs."
    "Death to the imperialist war-mongers of the Communist Party of China."
    "Death to the fascist bandits and insects Hu Jintao, and his running
    dogs, the Communist Party of China."
    Death to the murderer Deng Xiaoping, of Hu Yaobang and Chinese freedom."
    "Freedom for the people of Tibet - Long live the Dal

    </quote>



    6. What the criminal stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung writes in his web-site:
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/stalking.asp

    <quote>
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist

    Cyber-stalking.
    http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminology/cyberstalking/

    Special Message to Visitors (and Cyber-stalkers)

    As a web site like HeartMDPhD.com becomes more "famous," it was inevitable that
    both the site and its author would become the target of harassment by those who
    have become obsessed with either. This is cyber-stalking, it is a crime, and a
    good discussion about it can be found by clicking here.

    This has happened, but rather than ignore this criminal behavior, I feel it is
    my civic responsibility to make the occurrence of such criminal behavior
    publicly known here after reporting it to the proper authorities in order to
    discourage it else others may fall victim to similar behavior by these and/or
    other perpetrators. Crime is effective only when victims choose to fall silent.

    You can find a partial list of those folks from whom I have received harassing
    electronic messages by clicking here. Some of their handiwork can also be seen
    in my guestbook. I have also posted sample email headers from these
    cyber-stalkers in order to fully publicize their crimes.

    Please know that I have forgiven these people for they know not what they are
    doing.

    Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA

    As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional
    love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1
    Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

    Sign Guestbook View Guestbook

    Copyright © 1995-2009 by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD. All Rights Reserved.
    Atlanta, Georgia (United States of America) 404.699.2780
    This page of the Atlanta Cardiology Web Portal was Last Updated on Tuesday,
    October 20, 2009.
    </quote>



    Andrew Ben-Hua Chung does know very well about stalking, and about how criminal
    it is. And, still, Andrew Ben-Hua Chung is one of the meanest and most
    disgusting stalkers in the whole Net.

    The attorneys of state in Atlanta have homework to do!


    7. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    -----------------------------------------

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    <quote>
    From: Jimmy Alpha <[email protected]>
    Newsgroups:
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messiani c.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology

    Subject: Re: Being mercifully kind (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing
    ************************************************** *************************
    body (anorexia) & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...
    ************************************************** *************************

    Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500
    Message-ID: <hil5gd$s2u$[email protected]>


    Sightwalker pridefully said:
    http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg

    > Being mercifully kind


    Fact #1, you are not being merciful when you call people liars without
    clearly showing the lies.

    > (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing body (anorexia)


    Fact #2, as you have never seen my body you can only "perishing body"
    perhaps as, "...appointed unto men once to die..." which would put your
    body in the same class as you say you are praying for mine?

    > & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...


    Fact #3, you have as of yet shown a definitive lie, so the perishing
    mind seems to be yours because of your delusions.

    Fact #4, if you follow Christ charlie you'll never *hunger*, for it is
    written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that
    cometh to me shall never hunger..." Jno 6:35

    Fact #5, we who have been reading your posts see you are at best using
    the groups for self serving purposes, selling books and stroking your
    ego, this is shown by the fact you cross post your quack science to the
    religious groups, and your cult religion to the science groups.

    Jimmy "telling the truth" Alpha
    </quote>


    8. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    -----------------------------------------

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:54:33 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    (emphasize added by me)

    <quote>
    sightwalker with a phd said:
    http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg
    > It is when we are in accord with a message of reconciliation that we
    > become healthier (hungrier) than ever.


    Andrew, follow Christ and you will relieve that chronic *hunger*, if in
    fact it's true and not just more touting your many capitalistic
    endeavors?
    It is written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of
    ********************************************
    life: he that cometh to me shall *never* hunger..."
    ************************************************** *
    Jno 6:35
    Jimmy Alpha
    </quote>


    Also note this:

    >Le 2010-01-13 06:44, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD a écrit :
    >> This gentile Christian disciple

    >
    >is happy to let his "lord" kill and torture these people :
    >
    >http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...-8&sa=N&tab=wi
    >
    >Chung is diseased.


    http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ind/famine.jpg


    9. Facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    Here is the facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:


    On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:52:25 -0800 (PST), Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

    <quote>
    6 Hostess Bear Claws weigh 30.0534oz and adds up to 3180 calories!
    http://www.grocerycouponnetwork.com/...s.php?Id=42132

    30oz of Frozen Mixed Vegetables adds up to only 537 calories.
    http://caloriecount.about.com/calori...s-mixed-i11584

    However: according to Chung's 2PD-OMER: You'll lose more weight by
    eating 2lbs of Hostess Bear Claws a day, than you will be eating 4lbs
    of mixed vegetables a day. Right? NO, WRONG! - FAIL.

    2PD-OMER = Epic FAIL.
    </quote>


    10. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be killed.
    ---------------------------------------------------------

    Endlessly repeating his insane ****, Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung's real target is
    people to be murdered:

    On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 04:00:12 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
    >of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
    >
    >Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
    >
    >Andrew <><



    One more example:
    <quote>
    From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]>
    Newsgroups:
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.healt h.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
    Subject: Re: Daily WDJW Health Tip for 02/18/11
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
    X-Complaints-To: [email protected]
    Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:02:48 -0500
    [...]

    May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
    of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

    Andrew <><
    </quote>


    One more example:

    <quote>
    Subject: Re: WDJW status for 02/18/11 ...
    Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:37:51 -0800 (PST)
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
    [...]

    May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
    of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
    </quote>


    11. The deathlist of Satan Ben Hua Chung: over 260 people he wants to be killed
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:50:55 -0800, Great Sage Itchy
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Chung already has his place in God's heavenly palace picked out. He
    >will sit in the throne to the left of God, while "The Risen" "LORD"
    >Jesus Christ sits on the right (because of His "victory"?).



    And Satan Andrew ben Hua Chung already made a list of "convicts" which he wants
    to be killed by god:

    [Sample taken on February, 20th., 2011]
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/convicts/

    <quote>
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist

    Good afternoon!

    The purpose of this page is to list our dear friends
    ************************************************** **
    and neighbors who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit.
    ************************************************** *******

    They are at a crossroads in their life. They are in danger of becoming demons if
    they unwisely choose to blaspheme HIM. Please pray for these folks. "It is my
    heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to convict and my job to
    love." -- Reverend Billy Graham


    Philip
    Madison (convicted 11/28/06 --> stricken 1/20/07)
    Mark T.
    "Panama Floyd" (convicted 10/24/06 --> stricken with HIV)
    Al Klein
    Denis Loubet
    Cary Kittrell (convicted 10/27/06 --> stricken from birth)
    David H. (aka "Big Dave")
    Barry O'Grady
    Kumar
    "Olrik"
    Peter J. Ross
    Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 --> deceased 04/01/07)
    Donna Kupp
    Kate (aka "TigerLily")
    Mike Painter
    "Hatchetmama"
    "Nemo"
    "JessHC"
    Jeff Utz
    "Oldus Fartus"
    "Köi-Lö"
    "Odd Neighbor"
    "Lost Soul"
    Mike Gray
    DKW
    Frank Mayhar
    Robibnikoff
    "Chadwick Stone©"
    "Ghod"
    "Free Lunch"
    "Yang"
    "Provoker"
    Tom "Tdub" Williams
    "Em"
    "Barbara's Cat"
    "Raven1"
    Kevin "Beav" Maxfield
    "Azaliah" (aka Pastor Dave)
    Don Kirkman (Convicted 12/22/06 --> Stricken with CAD in 1998)
    BDK
    Bill M.
    Tony
    Shawn Hirn
    ~Tanya
    Ken Wood
    "lestat"
    JLS
    "Jaguar"
    "Owl"
    "Flowerchild8245"
    "Warren G. Harding"
    Martin Phipps
    Patrick Humphrey
    "Scott Joyce"
    "Satyr"
    DaveJ
    "Habshi"
    "Ma¢k"
    "Kilmer"
    "Guy"
    HD Lee
    Chris Johnson
    "Sherahdicus"
    "Bungalow Steve"
    "Text Medium No. 5"
    "TransWench"
    Harry
    Peter van Velzen
    Charles Dikkens
    Aunt Martha
    Syd Levine
    GaryG (convicted 1/15/07 --> stricken 3/15/07)
    James Hajicek
    "old man joe"
    Vernon
    "jitter"
    "Kadaitcha Man"
    Roy Mock (r m)
    Grandpa Chuck
    Pete Stapleton
    "Ernst Primer"
    "Russell McDade"
    "Blash"
    "Jude+Alexander"
    Steve O (convicted 1/28/07 --> stricken in 1967)
    Terry Austin
    Randy (aka Pulpitfire or ®andy)
    Paul Duca
    "BatGuy"
    "SameAsB4"
    Lars Eighner
    "Doc Smartass"
    "Zap"
    James ([email protected])
    Chris Johnson (again)
    Stephen Anderson ( Zerubbabel )
    "Parsifal"
    "the_Host"
    "platothelapdog"
    M. Ranjit Mathews
    Darrell Stec
    Martin
    "Mistylien"
    Peter Aitken
    "The Bookman"
    "Widdershins"
    Lew Bates
    Frank Hildner
    James R. Hunt (BlackDruid)
    Sarah548
    Susan
    Diane Ball (The Operator)
    Richard Periut
    Paul L
    Joseph Littleshoes
    JZW
    Paul D. Wright
    "JoeSpareBedroom"
    "New Jack Ruby"
    "Barry"
    George Chen
    Lionel
    "Gatekeeper"
    "Hawki"
    Hannele
    BobD
    "Cubit"
    "Bud"
    "towelie"
    Johnnie McCoy
    Andrew W.
    "BubbaGump"
    Glenn (servitum or owd)
    Robert Weldon
    Bill Dunkenfield
    "the 14th disciple"
    Gary
    Robert Schuh
    Chuck Stamford
    Kevin
    "Eskimo Joe"
    "Bob Officer"
    Bob Blaylock
    Will, T2
    Jay Levine
    Kevin Bertsch
    jim
    Evelyn Ruut
    Jeanne (Haggis)
    Richard Catto
    Kathy Claytor
    Nico
    Martha(MI)
    [email protected]
    Vernono O
    Michael F. Poellot
    Loretta Eisenberg
    George M. Carter
    Shawn Hirn (again)
    L.T. David
    Cameron (runlikeanantelope)
    Alan S.
    Bill (Frisbee®)
    John (Abrams1117)
    Miz Daisy Cutter
    Pete
    Marten Kemp
    Notan
    Frank t2
    TC
    John Williamson
    Joe Smith
    theBeaver
    Peter Larsen
    Larry (ls...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
    John P.
    Rev. BR Collins
    Geoff
    Dale A. Solomonson
    JHD
    zxcvbob
    CM
    Thorsten Schier
    Davybear
    tatman
    Ferd Farkel
    Quentin Grady
    Michelle Malkin
    Mark Thorson
    Steve Young
    Cary Kittrell (again)
    Helen Back
    Don Kirkman (again)
    Mike (em)
    Julie Bove
    L. Roberts
    Doug Freese
    Global Warming
    Kathy Griffin (convicted 09/08/07 --> stricken 2003)
    Kenneth Doyle
    Percent(%)
    Marsha
    Juliet (WaCoder)
    Elvira
    Frank (listener)
    Assime
    Fester
    Michael Vick
    Aaron
    GH
    Peter Barber
    Shearwater
    Manatee
    Susan (flav...@verizon.net)
    Sami
    Patsie Hatley
    B'in'yamin C'r'amer
    Dr. Phil
    Doug
    DarkSentinel
    Small Giant
    Kelly (Luv4Yisroel)
    Fastmoggy
    Rose
    Chris Malcolm
    Mystified One
    DigitalMortal
    Billy Colburn
    Zob
    John Williamson
    Epicurus (Tervicz)
    Studemania
    Wendy Baker
    Lurfys Maw
    monkfish
    weatherwax
    Phobos
    Fred Jones
    Athena
    Albert Andrascik
    Lisa C (Blackrots)
    Ted
    Adonis
    Mordecai
    Douglas (Protoman)
    Maggie
    Stan-O
    John Weatherly
    Alan C.
    John N.
    Citizen Jimserac
    Fred Thomas
    Matt Parish
    Pro-Humanist
    Dan Listermann
    Carole
    Peter B.
    Reverent Fear of GOD the Father.


    Overturning the Conviction.

    Sign Guestbook Guestbook by GuestWorld View Guestbook

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    </quote>


    See this details:
    <quote>
    The purpose of this page is to list our dear friends
    and neighbors who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit.
    ************************************************** *******
    </quote>

    So, quite obvious, Satan Ben Hua Chung considers himself to be the Holy Spirit.

    What next? Does he have a gun?



    12. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud; he spits on the Ten Commandments
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is nothing but an insane liar. See here:

    emorycardiology.com as checked on Feb, 12th., 2011:

    <quote>
    Tribute to Emory Cardiology

    Good evening!

    This is my personal tribute to an institution at the forefront in bringing about
    new developments in the prevention and treatment of cardiovascular disease. As
    these pathological entities become better understood in terms of molecular and
    cellular biology, diagnostic, therapeutic, and preventative cardiology
    approaches will change dramatically in coming years. I anticipate that the Emory
    Division of Cardiology will remain at the cutting edge by recruiting and
    retaining internationally recognized experts. Of particular note is their track
    record in clinical cardiology established by Drs. R. Bruce Logue and J. Willis
    Hurst; in interventional cardiology established by Dr. Andreas Gruentzig and as
    led by Dr. John Douglas; and in vascular biology and medicine by the research
    group established by Dr. R. Wayne Alexander in 1988.

    More recently, Emory investigators have completed the landmark COURAGE Trial
    under the leadership of Dr. Bill Weintraub that is certain to change the face of
    cardiology in America. I will remain one of their biggest fans.

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    ***********************
    Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist
    Author of Be Hungry (now in its second printing!)
    John 15:13 <><
    </quote>

    No one would be such an idiot to pay Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung 1 Million
    Dollars AND TO LET CHUNG STILL HAVE HIS BULL**** ON THAT DOMAIN.

    Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung spits on the Ten Commandments.



    13. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung tramps on dying patients and on dead patients.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine. He tramps on dying patients and on dead
    patients.

    See here:

    The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (Bob Pastorio)
    Usernames and passwords are exclusively for folks involved in investigating Bob
    Pastorio ([email protected]). Sign Guestbook · Guestbook by GuestWorld ...
    www.heartmdphd.com/pastorio.asp - Cached

    Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: Pastorio died on April Fool's day as a ...
    14 Apr 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio dying on April Fool's day is a sign from
    GOD ... In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio: ...
    heartmdphd.com/Love/TheTruth/ - Cached

    The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (Libel)
    30 Nov 2010 ... With malice presumably motivated by a personal hatred of the
    2PD-OMER Approach published on this web site, Mr. Pastorio did willfully ...
    www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp - Cached

    "April 1st: National Atheist's Day." - sci.med.cardiology | Google ...
    1 Apr 2007 ... dear Bob (this one) Pastorio, is taken from the world on this
    day. ... Especially the family of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
    ....
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Bob/ - Cached

    Walk Don't run - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
    22 Dec 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio did not have long in retrospect: ... You
    will soon know just as Pastorio now knows that indeed Jesus is GOD ...
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Fester/ - Cached

    Please pray for the soul of dear convicted neighbor Don Kirkman ...
    29 Oct 2007 ... Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob. Bob was also
    pathologically untruthful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/libel.asp ...
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/DonKirkman/ - Cached

    Ping: Dr. Daniel Palestrant, founder and CEO of Sermo. - sci.med ...
    2 Dec 2007 ... reminding us of our dearly depart Bob (this one) Pastorio, who is
    presently being eternally tormented in hell. ...
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForDon/ - Cached

    Think About It - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
    30 Oct 2007 ... They were cued up for our dearly departed Bob (this one)
    Pastorio... http:// HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... who died inauspiciously on
    ....
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell/ - Cached

    Daily Spirit-guided thought for 12/20/07. - sci.med.cardiology ...
    20 Dec 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio, who was not hungry (therefore was not
    being blessed by GOD) the days before his untimely demise inauspiciously on ...
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForFerd/ - Cached

    HeartMDPhD.com - Atlanta Cardiology Information Portal
    24 Oct 2006 ... Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 -->
    deceased 04/01/07). Donna Kupp · Kate (aka "TigerLily") ...
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/ - Cached

    Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: Hypothesis becomes Spiritual Law ...
    3 Apr 2007 ... In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/ Convicts/Bob. As for knowing who are the very elect, ...
    heartmdphd.com/HolySpirit/Proof/ - Cached

    Proof by LORD Almighty GOD: fulfilled prophecy. - sci.med ...
    22 Nov 2007 ... "Bob Pastorio, you do not have much time left" -- Andrew, in the
    Holy Spirit. Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement: ...
    heartmdphd.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy/ - Cached

    2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
    11 Jan 2011 ... The same way I knew that our dearly departed Bob (this one)
    Pastorio > did not have much time left. Then that is EVIL of you to tell me "You
    ....
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/CrazyFour/ - Cached
    Please pray for the endangered soul of dear convicted neighbor ...
    21 Dec 2007 ... You remind me of our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio
    because you do not have much longer either: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/
    ....
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForRobert/ - Cached

    HeartMDPhD.com - Atlanta Cardiology Information Portal
    Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 --> deceased 04/01/07).
    Donna Kupp · Kate (aka "TigerLily") · Mike Painter · "Hatchetmama" ...
    heartmdphd.com/convicts/ - Cached

    Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: The truth prevails and remains ...
    2 Apr 2007 ... neighbors: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts. In memory of our
    dearly departed Bob( this one) Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ...
    heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Frank/ - Cached

    The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (History Behind the 2PD ...
    Bob Pastorio (was a retired chef who hated the 2PD-OMER Approach) "I think it's
    perfectly well scientifically substantiated, based on a reasonable ...
    www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp - Cached - Simhed


    14. Dr. Hildner's letter to Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
    ------------------------------------------------------

    <quote>
    Reply-To: "Peter B" <.@.>
    From: "Peter B" <.@.>
    Newsgroups:
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.healt h.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
    Subject: Dr. Hildner's letter to Dr. AB Chung, original no comments of mine.
    Chung can not delete.
    Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:06:17 -0700
    Lines: 3
    Message-ID: <4c7aafaa$[email protected]>

    Dr. Chung:
    Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
    reflect the views of CFHC.


    After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
    are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
    what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
    your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
    possible.


    Your website comments about cardiology in Ocala, FL are detractions and
    border on slander. These are legal terms, and one of the important
    features of them is that the comments are published. Your website
    fulfills that requirement. Now just reflect on the fact that you are the
    only one to make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person
    seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out
    of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
    past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
    outside your head. You have chosen to ignore the
    good advice I tried to give while you were here. I hope you will soon
    realize you are doing yourself more harm than good by publishing your
    dispute. It would be better to let it go, before your reputation suffers
    more.


    Speaking of reputations, I have spent 35 years building mine. I can call
    on physicians from around the world and this community to attest to it.
    I can also call upon the many physicians I trained to do cardiac
    catheterization (over 25 years) to offer a positive opinion about my
    work. You can't. Being just out of training, you have no reputation
    except the one you have just established here in Ocala. You are
    continuing to establish your reputation by publishing your website. How
    do you think what you have said would look to another physician-perhaps
    an employer- when he reads it? Do you think he or anyone would conclude
    that you are a reputable physician, easy to work with and a team player?


    Personally, if I find that you speak disparagingly of me, or my work to
    any patient or physician, be assured I will not take the matter lightly.
    Whatever you think of me personally, or whatever you think of my
    professional activity, you do not have the right to condemn either me or
    the work to another and thereby compromise my reputation. You may
    disagree with me, or state we have a difference of opinion, but you may
    not state that I am practicing less that optimum cardiology. Once again,
    if I find that you have done so (and I hope it has not happened yet) I
    will certainly take the matter to the State Board of Medicine for a
    hearing. If the Florida State Board finds cause, and renders a censure,
    that must be transmitted to all other State Boards on your next and all
    future applications for licensure. And once again, just common sense
    should tell you that hitting back in your situation is counterproductive
    and could be disastrous for you. But as I told you face to face, you may
    have great book smarts, but your actions have shown that you have no
    common sense that permits you to operate successfully in a professional
    community. And, once again, I will tell you what I did before, you do
    not operate in a vacuum. Your practice, wherever it may be, must be
    according to the community standard, regardless of what you perceive
    that to be. And an attitude that you vocalized by saying that you were
    unable to change the community standard in Ocala speaks loudly and
    clearly about your perception of reality and your inability to work with
    your colleagues.


    Dr. Chung, I urgently advise you to let the past go. Look to your future
    which could be bright. If you persist in these efforts of hitting back
    and trying to justify your actions to a world that looks upon such
    attempts as childish or immature and unprofessional, you will continue
    to do yourself a disservice. You lost your job because you talked
    yourself out of it.


    Frank Hildner MD
    f...@orgren.org
    </quote>


    15. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung lies IN PUBLIC *IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE*
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    One example:

    <quote>
    Subject: Re: WDJW status for 02/18/11 ...
    Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:37:51 -0800 (PST)
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
    [...]

    > The Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty stricken
    > places in the world ...


    Lie.

    Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry. Moreover, the
    propaganda campaign is the most intense in the United States funded by
    government money with a government web site in a country where there
    is an obesity epidemic instead of famine:
    </quote>


    16. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud: his domains are forgeries
    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung claims to have sold the domain

    emorycardiology.com

    for 1 Million Dollar. But fact is: the text is framed:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
    <html>
    <head>
    <title>Tribute to Emory Cardiology </title>
    </head>
    <frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
    <frame src="http://tinyurl.com/a4dwl" frameborder="0" />
    ************************************************** **********
    <frame frameborder="0" noresize />
    </frameset>
    <!-- pageok -->
    <!-- 04 -->
    <!-- -->
    </html>

    This shortened link of above

    http://tinyurl.com/a4dwl

    expands to :

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/ec/

    ,which is nothing but a subdirectory on Satan Ben Hua Chung web-space.



    17. How did Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung forge all his medical exams?
    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    A) Example 1:

    <quote>
    From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]>
    Newsgroups:
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.healt h.diabetes,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
    Subject: Patiently praying here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
    Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:56:05 -0800 (PST)
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
    [...]
    Moreover, the fact that babies are born hungry with empty stomachs
    **and** functioning brains is absolute scientific proof that hunger
    does not destroy brain cells but rather promotes their rapid growth as
    evident by what happens in utero.
    </quote>

    This is Great Sage Itchy's comment on this damned stupid statement:

    "Babies are nourished by the mothers blood through the umbilical cord
    and placenta, as anyone who has taken first year biology in High School
    knows. You show almost NO real medical knowledge. You have no
    experience to speak of. How you were able to fool Emory U. and get
    through medical school is a mystery. They must have known you were not
    right in the head. I'm guessing that they were afraid to throw you out,
    as they should have, because of your religious fanaticism, and possible
    backlash from far-right religious elements in the community.
    Every word you type in these groups is a lie. Everything about you is a
    LIE. You are a disturbed creep, and a dangerous and evil person."


    B) Example 2:

    <quote>
    From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]>
    Newsgroups:
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt .bible.prophecy,misc.health.diabetes,alt.support.d iabetes
    Subject: Wonderfully hungrier ...
    Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:11:02 -0500
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>

    Actually, hunger for real food is simply a desire to eat real food
    that is verified by the ability to eat real food and may be
    accompanied by stomach sounds that allow others to verify the desire
    to eat real food even **before** the eating happens.
    </quote>


    How on earth did Satan Ben Hua Chung pass his medical exams? It seems more and
    more that he forged his exams.

    How on earth can a medical chamber sit silent on their behinds in regard of such
    an insane criminal like satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung as a member in their lines!?


    18. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung so drunk that he even mixes up breastfeeding
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    and foetus nouriture via umbilical cord
    ---------------------------------------


    <quote>
    From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]>
    Newsgroups:
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.healt h.diabetes,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christn et.prayer
    Subject: Patiently praying a 31st time here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
    Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:16:17 -0800 (PST)
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>


    > Babies are nourished by the mothers blood through the umbilical cord
    > and placenta, as anyone who has taken first year biology in High School
    > knows.


    Correct.

    This does mean that their being hungry as evident by their being able
    to take to the breast does not mean they are starving for they have
    indeed been getting adequate nutrition parenterally via the maternal
    circulation.
    </quote>


    How can a person so damned stupid as Satan Ben Hua Chung still be a member of
    the medical chamber?



    19. Studies about hunger and brain shrinkage
    --------------------------------------------

    Hunger kills braincells!
    *************************

    Scientific studies about hunger and braincells show that. They were made in
    Germany in about 2001/2002/2003. They are FACTS. And there are studies in the
    USA. THEY ARE FACTS.

    There are studies about hunger and brain shrinkage. Like this one:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9754441

    <quote>
    Psychiatry Res. 1998 Jun 30;82(3):171-9.
    Proton magnetic resonance spectroscopy in acute, juvenile anorexia nervosa.

    Schlemmer HP, Möckel R, Marcus A, Hentschel F, Göpel C, Becker G, Köpke J,
    Gückel F, Schmidt MH, Georgi M.

    Institute for Clinical Radiology Mannheim, Faculty of Medicine, University of
    Heidelberg, Germany. [email protected]
    Abstract

    Anorexia nervosa is usually associated with a shrinkage of the brain that is at
    least partially reversible with weight gain. The pathogenesis of this brain
    abnormality is unclear. The purpose of this study was to investigate potential
    alterations in localized proton magnetic resonance (1H MR) spectra of anorectic
    patients immediately after an interval of excessive weight loss. Twelve patients
    and seventeen control subjects were examined. Water suppressed 1H MR spectra
    were recorded from two voxels placed in the thalamus and in the
    parieto-occipital white matter. The spectra of ten patients could be evaluated.
    Comparing patients and control subjects, significantly higher signal intensity
    ratios of choline containing compounds (Cho) relative to total creatine (Cr) as
    well as significantly lower ratios of N-acetyl-aspartate (NAA) relative to Cho
    were found in the white matter region. We hypothesize that these results
    indicate an abnormal starvation, associated membrane turnover, which
    predominantly takes place in the white matter. No evidence for neuronal
    degeneration was found in the thalamus or in the white matter region.

    PMID: 9754441 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    </quote>


    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...20840/abstract
    <quote>
    Brain tissue volume changes following weight gain in adults with anorexia
    nervosa

    Christina A. Roberto MS1,2,*, Laurel E. S. Mayer MD3, Adam M. Brickman PhD4,
    Anna Barnes PhD5, Jordan Muraskin BA4, Lok-Kin Yeung BA4, Jason Steffener PhD4,
    Melissa Sy BA, Joy Hirsch PhD, Yaakov Stern PhD4, B. Timothy Walsh MD3

    Article first published online: 19 MAY 2010

    DOI: 10.1002/eat.20840

    Abstract
    Objective:

    To measure brain volume deficits among underweight patients with anorexia
    nervosa (AN) compared to control participants and evaluate the reversibility of
    these deficits with short-term weight restoration.
    Method:

    Brain volume changes in gray matter (GM), white matter (WM), and cerebrospinal
    fluid (CSF) were examined in 32 adult women with AN and compared to 21, age and
    body mass index-range matched control women.
    Results:

    Patients with AN had a significant increase in GM (p = .006, ?2 = 0.14)
    and WM volume (p = .001, ?2 = 0.19) following weight restoration.
    Patients on average had lower levels of GM at low weight (647.63 ± 62.07 ml)
    compared to controls (679.93 ± 53.31 ml), which increased with weight
    restoration (662.64 ± 69.71 ml), but did not fully normalize.
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    Discussion:

    This study suggests that underweight adult patients with AN have reduced GM and
    WM volumes that increase with short-term weight restoration. © 2010 by Wiley
    Periodicals, Inc. Int J Eat Disord 2010;
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    Facit: Hunger leads to a irreversible damage to the brain.
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