Weird question about lotions

Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

CindyB wrote:
>
> Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
> lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
> like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

Wonderful (yummy) smells make us hungrier (healthier).

If we suffer from the delusion that hunger is bad (ie that hunger is
the same as starvation), we will be overcome by the irrational
compulsion to overeat without being consciously aware of the
overeating and this does result in more VAT (black fat) with more
insulin resistance (IR) and higher levels of blood glucose
(hyperglycemia).

Overeating --> VAT (black fat) --> IR/MetS --> hyperglycemia

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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"CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6a5f2df4-8784-4d4d-994f-5ca3faf44b78@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
> lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
> like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

If you're applying a lotion with sugar or fruit in it and not washing your
hands, it will show that your BG is up. I don't use a lot of lotions, so
this hasn't happened to me.

On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT), CindyB <ski4cindy@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
>lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
>like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

I really don't think you can absorb glucose through your skin - but
you sure can get a residue that mucks up your bg test! BTDT.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

"CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6a5f2df4-8784-4d4d-994f-5ca3faf44b78@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
> lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
> like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

Do you test when you feel this way? What does your meter say?

Be sure to wash the lotion off your hands before your test because it may
affect your readings.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

On May 16, 5:40 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> CindyB wrote:
>
> > Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
> > lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
> > like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.
>
> Wonderful (yummy) smells make us hungrier (healthier).

So which flavor KY is your favorite?

CindyB <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
: lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
: like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

Are you sure you are washing your hands well before testing? Sometimes a
lotion can raise your bg if it is on yur hands when you test. I always
apply any lotion to my feet adn hands in the AM AFTER I have teted my bgs.

I don't think just smelling them on you would raise the bgs. I never
tested for that, however.


Wendy

On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT), in
<6a5f2df4-8784-4d4d-994f-5ca3faf44b78@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com> CindyB
<ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
>lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
>like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

My partner loves to bake & at times when she is baking up a storm, so much
that you can feel & smell sugar in the air, it gives me a headache & when I've
taken my BG at the time, it has been elevated. Gives her a headache, too.

Weird, huh? I have no idea if this is anything at all besides anecdotal.

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On May 16, 8:11 pm, "Agent Haskell, IRS" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On May 16, 5:40 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
> wrote:
>
> > CindyB wrote:
>
> > > Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
> > > lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
> > > like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.
>
> > Wonderful (yummy) smells make us hungrier (healthier).
>
> So which flavor KY is your favorite?

It rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the Chung again.

"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4cms245jptp2r82ces2jo7vh10ftgslc3c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT), in
> <6a5f2df4-8784-4d4d-994f-5ca3faf44b78@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com> CindyB
> <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
>>lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
>>like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.
>
> My partner loves to bake & at times when she is baking up a storm, so much
> that you can feel & smell sugar in the air, it gives me a headache & when
> I've
> taken my BG at the time, it has been elevated. Gives her a headache, too.
>
> Weird, huh? I have no idea if this is anything at all besides anecdotal.

Hmmm... I hate celebrations where people are eating cake or cookies or pie
around me. Makes me feel like the sugar is just running through me, even
though I'm not eating it.

Michelle C said...

>
> "CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6a5f2df4-8784-4d4d-994f-5ca3faf44b78@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
>> lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
>> like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.
>
> Do you test when you feel this way? What does your meter say?
>
> Be sure to wash the lotion off your hands before your test because it may
> affect your readings.


I got referred to CeraVe.

I don't bg test in the morning before showering but it seems a good lotion.

But I could be wrong.

Best,

Andy

On May 17, 12:14 am, 2PD Dong <jimmycarlwh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 16, 8:11 pm, "Agent Haskell, IRS" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On May 16, 5:40 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > CindyB wrote:
>
> > > > Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
> > > > lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
> > > > like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.
>
> > > Wonderful (yummy) smells make us hungrier (healthier).
>
> > So which flavor KY is your favorite?
>
> It rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the Chung again.

Precious... here, precious...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...958cf266006d9?

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CindyB wrote:
> Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
> lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
> like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.

Read the ingredients list. If it has sugars in it, they're going
directly into your bloodstream, the same way transdermal medications do.

If not that, check for salicylates or lactic acid; these suppress
adrenal function, so it can cause your pituitary to start signaling the
adrenals to pump out more cortisol, which raises blood glucose and is
actually the cause of many cases of diabetes.

Susan

"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4cms245jptp2r82ces2jo7vh10ftgslc3c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT), in
> <6a5f2df4-8784-4d4d-994f-5ca3faf44b78@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com> CindyB
> <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
>>lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
>>like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.
>
> My partner loves to bake & at times when she is baking up a storm, so much
> that you can feel & smell sugar in the air, it gives me a headache & when
> I've
> taken my BG at the time, it has been elevated. Gives her a headache, too.
>
> Weird, huh? I have no idea if this is anything at all besides anecdotal.
>
> --
> : ^> DonnaB Yahoo Msgr: shallotpeel <*> http://tinyurl.co.uk/h193
> http://tinyurl.co.uk/wdp8 http://tinyurl.co.uk/byv9

Quit sniffing the sugar bowl, Donna! ;-)
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

Susan wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> CindyB wrote:
>
>> Do any of you notice a change in your sugar level after applying
>> lotion? I wear a ton with all the yummy smells, but sometimes I feel
>> like I just ate a bunch of sugar and my levels are up.
>
>
> Read the ingredients list. If it has sugars in it, they're going
> directly into your bloodstream, the same way transdermal medications do.
>
> If not that, check for salicylates or lactic acid; these suppress
> adrenal function, so it can cause your pituitary to start signaling the
> adrenals to pump out more cortisol, which raises blood glucose and is
> actually the cause of many cases of diabetes.
>
> Susan

It is interesting that you mention salicylates. Aspercreme and similar
OTC pain relieving ointments contain salicylates. One high school girl
overdosed on salicylates that she used for muscle and shin bone pain
relief. I also use such OTCs, but haven't attempted to determine the
blood glucose response to their use. Do you have scientific research to
support your conclusions, URLs, etc.? Oral salicylates have been or are
being studied by Joslin - http://tinyurl.com/3qxy37. Inflammation and
insulin resistance - http://www.jci.org/articles/view/JCI29069. The
latter article has been cited subsequently in 132 articles -
http://tinyurl.com/5flh59

Frank

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Jefferson wrote:

> It is interesting that you mention salicylates. Aspercreme and similar
> OTC pain relieving ointments contain salicylates. One high school girl
> overdosed on salicylates that she used for muscle and shin bone pain
> relief. I also use such OTCs, but haven't attempted to determine the
> blood glucose response to their use. Do you have scientific research to
> support your conclusions, URLs, etc.? Oral salicylates have been or are
> being studied by Joslin - http://tinyurl.com/3qxy37. Inflammation and
> insulin resistance - http://www.jci.org/articles/view/JCI29069. The
> latter article has been cited subsequently in 132 articles -
> http://tinyurl.com/5flh59


I know for a fact that salicylates suppress me, and I do believe I have
research supporting NSAIDS and Tylenol (suppresses ACTH) in newborns and
their mothers, but the only citation I found long ago that showed
adrenal suppression via inhibition of steroidogenesis was in a brook
trout. :-)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HIGHLIGHTED ARTICLE


Salicylate Disrupts Interrenal Steroidogenesis and Brain Glucocorticoid
Receptor Expression in Rainbow Trout
Amélie Gravel and Mathilakath M. Vijayan1
Department of Biology, University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario N2L
3G1, Canada


1 To whom correspondence should be addressed. Fax: +519 746 0614.
E-mail: mvijayan@uwaterloo.ca.

Received January 26, 2006; accepted March 2, 2006


http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...t/full/93/1/41


It's so bad, Frank, that I was bedridden for three weeks during which
I'd applied AmLactin 12% to my body as a moisturizer. I was fine within
a day of quitting it.

In this case, the adrenal hormone aldosterone is suppressed:

Titre du document / Document title
The influence of aspirin on exercise-induced changes in
adrenocorticotrophic hormone (ACTH), cortisol and aldosterone (ALD)
concentrations
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
PRZYBYŁOWSKI Jan (1) ; OBODYNSKI Kazimierz (1) ; LEWICKI Czeslaw (1) ;
KUZNIAR Jerzy (2) ; ZABORNIAK Stanisław (1) ; DROZD Sławomir (1) ;
CZARNY Wojciech (1) ; GARMULEWICZ Maciej (1) ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Institute of Physical and Health Education, University of Rzeszów,
ul. Pilsudskiego 30, 35-001 Rzeszów, POLOGNE
(2) Department of Cardiology, The No 2 Province General Hospital in
Rzeszów, ul. Lwowska 60, 35-301 Rzeszów, POLOGNE

Résumé / Abstract
The influence of aspirin (ASA) on the endocrinology system and
prostaglandin (PGs) synthesis is not completely clear. The aim of the
study was to estimate the influence of ASA on the changes in the
concentration of ACTH, cortisol and aldosterone (ALD) induced by
physical exercise. This study was conducted on 19 healthy students (age
21-23 years). They were subjected to intensive physical exercise on a
cycle ergometer. On the day prior to the experiment, 12 subjects took
two 0.5-g doses of ASA in a wafer, and another 0.5 g 3-4 h before the
test on the day of the investigation (ASA group). The remaining seven
subjects (control group) received placebo. Hematocrit, lactate
concentration and concentrations of ACTH, cortisol and ALD were
determined before exercise, after exercise, and after 30 min of
recovery, in a blood sample taken from a cubital vein. Before exercise,
the degree of platelet aggregation in response to arachidonic acid was
estimated, in order to confirm the correct allocation to the two groups.
Aggregation should only occur in the ASA group. ASA and control groups
exercised for 30.3 (3.1) min and 30.2 (1.6) min, respectively. Maximal
heart rate and lactate concentration were similar in both groups, as
were the basal concentrations of ACTH and cortisol; the ALD
concentration seemed lower in the ASA group, but the difference was not
significant (p<0.1). In both groups after exercise ACTH, cortisol and
ALD concentrations were significantly increased, however when compared
to the control group, the increase of ACTH in the ASA group was
significantly higher, and ALD increase significantly lower. After
recovery there was a significant decrease in ACTH concentration, whereas
the concentrations of ALD and cortisol did not change. The
concentrations of cortisol in both groups after exercise and recovery
were similar. That is most likely because the ACTH concentrations in the
ASA and control groups were sufficient for almost maximal cortisol
secretion. It is proposed that ASA administration caused prostaglandin
synthesis to decrease, and that this led to a lower basal concentration
of ALD and a significantly lower level of ALD after exercise.
Revue / Journal Title
European journal of applied physiology
Source / Source
2003, vol. 89, no2, pp. 177-183 [7 page(s) (article)] (36 ref.)

Here's a citation wherein aspirin suppresses the pituitary hormone renin
(mine is below normal, when tested during and while staning for 30 minutes)

http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/view/UQ:8820

This is the longest study I found, though small; large doses of
salicylate over 30 days decreased steroid synthesis and lowered metabolism:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

Most of what I've found indicates that short term or acute
administration of aspirin/salicylate increases or stimulates ACTH and
cortisol, but the one long term, chronic administration study suggests a
different response. Because I have HPA axis abnormality, both over and
under production of hormones, the net effect *to me* of lactic or
salicylic acid is adrenal suppression, with lower bp, loud tinnitus,
weakness, lethargy, etc...

Susan

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DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:

> My partner loves to bake & at times when she is baking up a storm, so much
> that you can feel & smell sugar in the air, it gives me a headache & when I've
> taken my BG at the time, it has been elevated. Gives her a headache, too.
>
> Weird, huh? I have no idea if this is anything at all besides anecdotal.
>

I don't think it's weird, actually. Smell and taste can stimulate
hormonal responses, I think that's why so many folks release insulin in
response to the taste of artificial sweeteners, for instance.

Susan

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Nicky wrote:

> I really don't think you can absorb glucose through your skin - but
> you sure can get a residue that mucks up your bg test! BTDT.


Anything you put on your skin can end up in your bloodstream. There are
few more efficient ways of delivering drugs.

Susan

Susan wrote:
> I know for a fact that salicylates suppress me, and I do believe I have
> research supporting NSAIDS and Tylenol (suppresses ACTH) in newborns and
> their mothers, but the only citation I found long ago that showed
> adrenal suppression via inhibition of steroidogenesis was in a brook
> trout. :-)

Bernstein says aspirin lowers blood glucose.
If true, I perrhaps other salicylates would do the same.

--
Wes Groleau
"Grant me the serenity to accept those I cannot change;
the courage to change the one I can;
and the wisdom to know it's me."
-- unknown

On Sun, 18 May 2008 02:50:57 GMT, Wes Groleau
<groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

>Susan wrote:
>> I know for a fact that salicylates suppress me, and I do believe I have
>> research supporting NSAIDS and Tylenol (suppresses ACTH) in newborns and
>> their mothers, but the only citation I found long ago that showed
>> adrenal suppression via inhibition of steroidogenesis was in a brook
>> trout. :-)
>
>Bernstein says aspirin lowers blood glucose.
>If true, I perrhaps other salicylates would do the same.

I found some speculation on a blog the other day (whose link I've
lost, sorry) suggesting that NSAIDS did the same thing, by the same
mechanism - as beta cell stimulants. They went on to warn about not
eating veggies containing any amount of salicylate, which is where
they lost me as audience, but the stimulant bit might be true.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:02:47 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
wrote:

>I found some speculation on a blog the other day (whose link I've
>lost, sorry) suggesting that NSAIDS did the same thing, by the same
>mechanism - as beta cell stimulants. They went on to warn about not
>eating veggies containing any amount of salicylate, which is where
>they lost me as audience, but the stimulant bit might be true.
>
>Nicky.

G'day G'day Nicky,

Perhaps you are highlighting a problem associated with blogs.
People can post their hypotheses unsupported by experimental evidence.
In the minds of their readers these hypotheses may soon seem as valid
as research. Also what is true for one person ie the writer of the
blog is inclined to become accepted as being generally true. This may
well be the case with salicylates in fruit, vegetables and spices.

If I recall the matter correctly there are some dietary benefits to
eating foods containing salicylates For some groups of people the
reverse is true.

Here are lists taken from a post I made back in 2004.

Fruits with a high salicylate content are raisins, prunes,
raspberries, apricots, blackberries, blueberries, boysenberries,
cantaloupe, cherries, cranberries, currants, dates, guava, grapes,
loganberries, oranges, pineapples, plums, and strawberries.


Vegetables with a high salicylate content are broccoli, chili peppers,
cucumber, okra, spinach, squash, sweet potato, canned tomatoes, tomato
paste and sauce, green peppers, radishes and zucchini.


The highest concentrations of salicylic acid are found in herbs and
spices. These include aniseed, canella powder, cayenne, celery powder,
cinnamon, curry, dill powder, fenugreek powder, garam masala, mustard
powder, oregano, paprika, rosemary, sage, tarragon, turmeric, thyme,
mint, black pepper, bay leaves, basil, caraway, ginger root, and
nutmeg (2). It is also found in honey and Worcestershire sauce."

Most diets have insufficient salicylic acid to be effective but then
most people don't eat regularly many foods from the above list.

New research may lead us to revised conclusions now.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes

> Nicky wrote:

>> I really don't think you can absorb glucose through your skin - but
>> you sure can get a residue that mucks up your bg test! BTDT.

> Anything you put on your skin can end up in your bloodstream. There are
> few more efficient ways of delivering drugs.

The skin is designed to be an effective barrier against things
entering your bloodstream. Only certain chemicals with rather specific
properties are able to get past it, or if they are accompanied by
something special which can both move through the skin and carry the
required chemical in solution with it. That is how most transdermal
drugs are applied, by means of a special "transdrmal vehicle". That is
why you should be careful about cleanliness when using such things,
since anything normally harmless on your skin because it can't get
through may be carried through by the porting chemical.

Aloe vera is one such transdermal vehicle. The current fashion for
adding it to all sorts of lotions because it's "good for you" is
dangerously silly.

The often quoted efficiency of transdermal drug delivery is not
because it's easy to get past the skin, but because if you do get past
the skin you have bypassed the liver which stands guardian over what
is introduced orally. In cases where the liver manages to remove most
of a drug transdermal application is much more efficient for that
reason, not because it's easy in the first place to get past the skin.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On 18 May 2008 10:01:35 GMT, Chris Malcolm
<cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>
>> Anything you put on your skin can end up in your bloodstream. There are
>> few more efficient ways of delivering drugs.
>
>The skin is designed to be an effective barrier against things
>entering your bloodstream. Only certain chemicals with rather specific
>properties are able to get past it, or if they are accompanied by
>something special which can both move through the skin and carry the
>required chemical in solution with it. That is how most transdermal
>drugs are applied, by means of a special "transdrmal vehicle". That is
>why you should be careful about cleanliness when using such things,
>since anything normally harmless on your skin because it can't get
>through may be carried through by the porting chemical.
>
>Aloe vera is one such transdermal vehicle. The current fashion for
>adding it to all sorts of lotions because it's "good for you" is
>dangerously silly.
>
>The often quoted efficiency of transdermal drug delivery is not
>because it's easy to get past the skin, but because if you do get past
>the skin you have bypassed the liver which stands guardian over what
>is introduced orally. In cases where the liver manages to remove most
>of a drug transdermal application is much more efficient for that
>reason, not because it's easy in the first place to get past the skin.

Thank you Chris. That was entirely new information to me and
explains some things I had wondered about in the past.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:30:37 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:02:47 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I found some speculation on a blog the other day (whose link I've
>>lost, sorry) suggesting that NSAIDS did the same thing, by the same
>>mechanism - as beta cell stimulants. They went on to warn about not
>>eating veggies containing any amount of salicylate, which is where
>>they lost me as audience, but the stimulant bit might be true.
>>
>>Nicky.
>
>G'day G'day Nicky,
>
> Perhaps you are highlighting a problem associated with blogs.
>People can post their hypotheses unsupported by experimental evidence.
>In the minds of their readers these hypotheses may soon seem as valid
>as research. Also what is true for one person ie the writer of the
>blog is inclined to become accepted as being generally true. This may
>well be the case with salicylates in fruit, vegetables and spices.
>
>If I recall the matter correctly there are some dietary benefits to
>eating foods containing salicylates For some groups of people the
>reverse is true.
>
>Here are lists taken from a post I made back in 2004.
>
>Fruits with a high salicylate content are raisins, prunes,
>raspberries, apricots, blackberries, blueberries, boysenberries,
>cantaloupe, cherries, cranberries, currants, dates, guava, grapes,
>loganberries, oranges, pineapples, plums, and strawberries.
>
>
>Vegetables with a high salicylate content are broccoli, chili peppers,
>cucumber, okra, spinach, squash, sweet potato, canned tomatoes, tomato
>paste and sauce, green peppers, radishes and zucchini.
>
>
>The highest concentrations of salicylic acid are found in herbs and
>spices. These include aniseed, canella powder, cayenne, celery powder,
>cinnamon, curry, dill powder, fenugreek powder, garam masala, mustard
>powder, oregano, paprika, rosemary, sage, tarragon, turmeric, thyme,
>mint, black pepper, bay leaves, basil, caraway, ginger root, and
>nutmeg (2). It is also found in honey and Worcestershire sauce."
>
>Most diets have insufficient salicylic acid to be effective but then
>most people don't eat regularly many foods from the above list.
>
Your last statement may not be valid for those who have
changed their menu as I have over the past few years, in
part as a result of your posts.

If I divided that list of foods into two - those I eat
regularly and those I don't - the don't list is very short.
The reverse would have been true when I was diagnosed.

I didn't add any for their salicylic acid content but for
other reasons given for individual items or groups over the
years; it's purely coincidental to me that they make that
list.

I've only seen benefits, I haven't noticed the reverse at
all.

>New research may lead us to revised conclusions now.
>
>Best wishes,

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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Nicky wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 02:50:57 GMT, Wes Groleau
> <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Susan wrote:
>>
>>>I know for a fact that salicylates suppress me, and I do believe I have
>>>research supporting NSAIDS and Tylenol (suppresses ACTH) in newborns and
>>>their mothers, but the only citation I found long ago that showed
>>>adrenal suppression via inhibition of steroidogenesis was in a brook
>>>trout. :-)
>>
>>Bernstein says aspirin lowers blood glucose.
>>If true, I perrhaps other salicylates would do the same.
>
>
> I found some speculation on a blog the other day (whose link I've
> lost, sorry) suggesting that NSAIDS did the same thing, by the same
> mechanism - as beta cell stimulants. They went on to warn about not
> eating veggies containing any amount of salicylate, which is where
> they lost me as audience, but the stimulant bit might be true.
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

NSAIDS and Tylenol both lower cortisol and ACTH, so yes, that would
lower blood glucose.

Susan

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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>>Nicky wrote:
>
>
>>>I really don't think you can absorb glucose through your skin - but
>>>you sure can get a residue that mucks up your bg test! BTDT.
>
>
>>Anything you put on your skin can end up in your bloodstream. There are
>>few more efficient ways of delivering drugs.
>
>
> The skin is designed to be an effective barrier against things
> entering your bloodstream. Only certain chemicals with rather specific
> properties are able to get past it, or if they are accompanied by
> something special which can both move through the skin and carry the
> required chemical in solution with it. That is how most transdermal
> drugs are applied, by means of a special "transdrmal vehicle". That is
> why you should be careful about cleanliness when using such things,
> since anything normally harmless on your skin because it can't get
> through may be carried through by the porting chemical.
>
> Aloe vera is one such transdermal vehicle. The current fashion for
> adding it to all sorts of lotions because it's "good for you" is
> dangerously silly.
>
> The often quoted efficiency of transdermal drug delivery is not
> because it's easy to get past the skin, but because if you do get past
> the skin you have bypassed the liver which stands guardian over what
> is introduced orally. In cases where the liver manages to remove most
> of a drug transdermal application is much more efficient for that
> reason, not because it's easy in the first place to get past the skin.
>


But recently, scientists have found that pollens and other antigens
easilly cross the skin barrier, even.

Susan

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>Nicky wrote:

>>>>I really don't think you can absorb glucose through your skin - but
>>>>you sure can get a residue that mucks up your bg test! BTDT.
>>
>>
>>>Anything you put on your skin can end up in your bloodstream. There are
>>>few more efficient ways of delivering drugs.
>>
>>
>> The skin is designed to be an effective barrier against things
>> entering your bloodstream. Only certain chemicals with rather specific
>> properties are able to get past it, or if they are accompanied by
>> something special which can both move through the skin and carry the
>> required chemical in solution with it. That is how most transdermal
>> drugs are applied, by means of a special "transdrmal vehicle". That is
>> why you should be careful about cleanliness when using such things,
>> since anything normally harmless on your skin because it can't get
>> through may be carried through by the porting chemical.
>>
>> Aloe vera is one such transdermal vehicle. The current fashion for
>> adding it to all sorts of lotions because it's "good for you" is
>> dangerously silly.
>>
>> The often quoted efficiency of transdermal drug delivery is not
>> because it's easy to get past the skin, but because if you do get past
>> the skin you have bypassed the liver which stands guardian over what
>> is introduced orally. In cases where the liver manages to remove most
>> of a drug transdermal application is much more efficient for that
>> reason, not because it's easy in the first place to get past the skin.

> But recently, scientists have found that pollens and other antigens
> easilly cross the skin barrier, even.

Even? Why would it be surprising for there to have recently been found
a few more of those rare biochemicals which have that unusual
property?

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On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:02:47 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 May 2008 02:50:57 GMT, Wes Groleau
><groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:
>
>>Susan wrote:
>>> I know for a fact that salicylates suppress me, and I do believe I have
>>> research supporting NSAIDS and Tylenol (suppresses ACTH) in newborns and
>>> their mothers, but the only citation I found long ago that showed
>>> adrenal suppression via inhibition of steroidogenesis was in a brook
>>> trout. :-)
>>
>>Bernstein says aspirin lowers blood glucose.
>>If true, I perrhaps other salicylates would do the same.
>
>I found some speculation on a blog the other day (whose link I've
>lost, sorry) suggesting that NSAIDS did the same thing, by the same
>mechanism - as beta cell stimulants. They went on to warn about not
>eating veggies containing any amount of salicylate, which is where
>they lost me as audience, but the stimulant bit might be true.

ISTR some research into Aspirin but the dose required to significantly
lower BG was huge

On 18 May 2008 10:01:35 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>
>> Nicky wrote:
>
>>> I really don't think you can absorb glucose through your skin - but
>>> you sure can get a residue that mucks up your bg test! BTDT.
>
>> Anything you put on your skin can end up in your bloodstream. There are
>> few more efficient ways of delivering drugs.
>
>The skin is designed to be an effective barrier against things
>entering your bloodstream. Only certain chemicals with rather specific
>properties are able to get past it, or if they are accompanied by
>something special which can both move through the skin and carry the
>required chemical in solution with it. That is how most transdermal
>drugs are applied, by means of a special "transdrmal vehicle". That is
>why you should be careful about cleanliness when using such things,
>since anything normally harmless on your skin because it can't get
>through may be carried through by the porting chemical.
>
>Aloe vera is one such transdermal vehicle. The current fashion for
>adding it to all sorts of lotions because it's "good for you" is
>dangerously silly.

Good grief, that's in *everything* nowadays, including soaked into
Kleenexes.

>The often quoted efficiency of transdermal drug delivery is not
>because it's easy to get past the skin, but because if you do get past
>the skin you have bypassed the liver which stands guardian over what
>is introduced orally. In cases where the liver manages to remove most
>of a drug transdermal application is much more efficient for that
>reason, not because it's easy in the first place to get past the skin.

Good point.

On 18 May 2008 15:46:00 GMT, in <69b19oF30sqh7U1@mid.individual.net> Chris
Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>>> The skin is designed to be an effective barrier against things
>>> entering your bloodstream. Only certain chemicals with rather specific
>>> properties are able to get past it, or if they are accompanied by
>>> something special which can both move through the skin and carry the
>>> required chemical in solution with it. That is how most transdermal
>>> drugs are applied, by means of a special "transdrmal vehicle". That is
>>> why you should be careful about cleanliness when using such things,
>>> since anything normally harmless on your skin because it can't get
>>> through may be carried through by the porting chemical.
>>>
>>> Aloe vera is one such transdermal vehicle. The current fashion for
>>> adding it to all sorts of lotions because it's "good for you" is
>>> dangerously silly.
>>>
>>> The often quoted efficiency of transdermal drug delivery is not
>>> because it's easy to get past the skin, but because if you do get past
>>> the skin you have bypassed the liver which stands guardian over what
>>> is introduced orally. In cases where the liver manages to remove most
>>> of a drug transdermal application is much more efficient for that
>>> reason, not because it's easy in the first place to get past the skin.
>
>> But recently, scientists have found that pollens and other antigens
>> easilly cross the skin barrier, even.
>
>Even? Why would it be surprising for there to have recently been found
>a few more of those rare biochemicals which have that unusual
>property?

Who cares whether it's surprising or not? <G> It's just interesting to learn &
I'm glad you laid out what you did & glad that Susan added that bit, too.

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"Wes Groleau" <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote in message
news:lQMXj.6186$%g.3239@trnddc08...
> Susan wrote:
>> I know for a fact that salicylates suppress me, and I do believe I have
>> research supporting NSAIDS and Tylenol (suppresses ACTH) in newborns and
>> their mothers, but the only citation I found long ago that showed adrenal
>> suppression via inhibition of steroidogenesis was in a brook trout. :-)
>
> Bernstein says aspirin lowers blood glucose.
> If true, I perrhaps other salicylates would do the same.
>
> --
> Wes Groleau
> "Grant me the serenity to accept those I cannot change;
> the courage to change the one I can;
> and the wisdom to know it's me."
> -- unknown

I've had personal experience with the BG lowering affect of aspirin, and it
clouded the reactive hypoglycemia issue. I suspect, I've been somewhat
glucose intolerant all my life. I can remember having hypoglycemia as a
kid. However as a young adult, I developed allergies that came with monster
headaches. I was great buddies with the aspirin bottle. Started having
frequent hypoglycemic episodes. I finally came across an old Merck manual
that had a list of meds that could cause hypoglycemia, and aspirin was one
of them. When I stopped the aspirin, the hypoglycemic attacks became less
frequent. Unfortunately, at that time I didn't realize I ALSO had reactive
hypoglycemia related to a faulty glucose processing system.
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BMI 21.5

On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:38:56 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:02:47 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 18 May 2008 02:50:57 GMT, Wes Groleau
>><groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Susan wrote:
>>>> I know for a fact that salicylates suppress me, and I do believe I have
>>>> research supporting NSAIDS and Tylenol (suppresses ACTH) in newborns and
>>>> their mothers, but the only citation I found long ago that showed
>>>> adrenal suppression via inhibition of steroidogenesis was in