what IS it with these damned spammers!

Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.

Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.

Rotten spammers!

--
Best Regards,

Evelyn

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
<evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:

>Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>
>Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>
>Rotten spammers!


It used to be that Road Runner, your news service was the worst source
of newsgroup spam on the planet, now thanks to gmail/blogspot and
google's all out greed, Google has become it's own worst enemy.

--
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Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
..

"Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:47f4d035$0$1122$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
> Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
> Rotten spammers!
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Evelyn

What program are you using to read the newsgroups?

If it gives you the option to report spammers, try that;
groups-abuse@google.com
doesn't appear to pay attention when I report spam, but maybe they'd pay
more
attention to someone sending through the gmail.com part of their company.

I suspect that someone in their abuse department has quit his or her job,
not
leaving enough people there to handle the increasing number of spammers
who post through Google Groups.

By the way, there's now a way to killfile spammers if you're reading the
newsgroups through Google Groups, but it requires you to install and
use a rather uncommon browser program. Let me know if you want the
details.

In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:22:45 -0500 in Msg.#
<Af9Jj.15671$9O.15429@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

> By the way, there's now a way to killfile spammers if you're reading the
> newsgroups through Google Groups, but it requires you to install and
> use a rather uncommon browser program. Let me know if you want the
> details.

Firefox is rather uncommon?!!! That's news to me. <G>

The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not long ago
is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the script.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel USA
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 HbA1c 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
Current ................... HbA1c 6.3

"Love thy neighbor as thyself & you don't get to choose your neighbor. This
is one community in this country & I'm tired of having it divided. We're all
in this together." - Gov. Howard Dean, the Democratic Party philosophy to
him, guest on THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART, June 23, 2005

On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:22:45 -0500 in Msg.#
> <Af9Jj.15671$9O.15...@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Robert Miles"
>
> <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
> > By the way, there's now a way to killfile spammers if you're reading the
> > newsgroups through Google Groups, but it requires you to install and
> > use a rather uncommon browser program. Let me know if you want the
> > details.
>
> Firefox is rather uncommon?!!! That's news to me. <G>
>
> The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not long ago
> is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
> elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the script.
>
> --
> DonnaB shallotpeel USA
> 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 HbA1c 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
> Current ................... HbA1c 6.3
>
> "Love thy neighbor as thyself & you don't get to choose your neighbor. This
> is one community in this country & I'm tired of having it divided. We're all
> in this together." - Gov. Howard Dean, the Democratic Party philosophy to
> him, guest on THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART, June 23, 2005

Could you post the information again, please?

Thanks!
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:54:01 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:22:45 -0500 in Msg.#
><Af9Jj.15671$9O.15429@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Robert Miles"
><robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>> By the way, there's now a way to killfile spammers if you're reading the
>> newsgroups through Google Groups, but it requires you to install and
>> use a rather uncommon browser program. Let me know if you want the
>> details.
>
>Firefox is rather uncommon?!!! That's news to me. <G>

The add on is uncommon.

>
>The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not long ago
>is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
>elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the script.


The person I poached it from had his named included in my post and in
your last quote of it here in this group.

--
Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
..

"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a4ecd460-12c1-4416-88a6-bb9cda5eaa6b@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:22:45 -0500 in Msg.#
>> <Af9Jj.15671$9O.15...@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Robert Miles"
>>
>> <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>> > By the way, there's now a way to killfile spammers if you're reading
>> > the
>> > newsgroups through Google Groups, but it requires you to install and
>> > use a rather uncommon browser program. Let me know if you want the
>> > details.
>>
>> Firefox is rather uncommon?!!! That's news to me. <G>
>>
>> The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not long
>> ago
>> is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
>> elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the
>> script.
>>
>> --
>> DonnaB shallotpeel USA
>> 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 HbA1c 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
>> Current ................... HbA1c 6.3
>>
> Could you post the information again, please?
>
> Thanks!
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise

From: Nuclear Waste MyHandle@mchsi.com
To: alt.fan.heinlein
Subject: For those using Google Groups

1 Install firefox which you can get from the Mozilla site.
This is to
be able to get the extension you need.
2 Install the Greasemonkey extension( get it from
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748 )
3 Get the Google Groups killfile script from
http://www.penney.org/google-groups-...updated-2.html
and load
it using greasemonkey.
4 When you browse and see a thread/post by anyone you dislike
simply click the new 'ignore user' link in the thread and all
threads/posts from them will be no longer visible. WARNING:
You'll need to manually add people who have apostrophes in
their names into the killfile manually. This is done by typing
in about:config into the URL bar
5 Enjoy spamfree browsing.

In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) in Msg.#
<a4ecd460-12c1-4416-88a6-bb9cda5eaa6b@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not long ago
> > is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
> > elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the script.
>
> Could you post the information again, please?

I hope you saw that I reposted them in a thread of their own last night
right after you posted, asking. HTH. And, basically, it is an excellent
version to pass along! Thanks to Mack for making it available here.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel, http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qLqzQRFnh0

"You use a glass mirror to see your face; you use works of art to see your
soul." - George Bernard Shaw. Irish literary Critic, Playwright and
Essayist. 1925 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1856-1950

On Apr 4, 9:03 am, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) in Msg.#
> <a4ecd460-12c1-4416-88a6-bb9cda5ea...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not long ago
> > > is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
> > > elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the script.
>
> > Could you post the information again, please?
>
> I hope you saw that I reposted them in a thread of their own last night
> right after you posted, asking. HTH. And, basically, it is an excellent
> version to pass along! Thanks to Mack for making it available here.
>
> --
> DonnaB shallotpeel,http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qLqzQRFnh0
>
> "You use a glass mirror to see your face; you use works of art to see your
> soul." - George Bernard Shaw. Irish literary Critic, Playwright and
> Essayist. 1925 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1856-1950

Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.

Thanks again!
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:251ce5ff-e3c4-4e2a-94c6-89a6b4fbef7f@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 9:03 am, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) in Msg.#
>> <a4ecd460-12c1-4416-88a6-bb9cda5ea...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not
>> > > long ago
>> > > is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
>> > > elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the
>> > > script.
>>
>> > Could you post the information again, please?
>>
>> I hope you saw that I reposted them in a thread of their own last night
>> right after you posted, asking. HTH. And, basically, it is an excellent
>> version to pass along! Thanks to Mack for making it available here.
>>
>> --
>> DonnaB shallotpeel,http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qLqzQRFnh0
>>
>> "You use a glass mirror to see your face; you use works of art to see
>> your
>> soul." - George Bernard Shaw. Irish literary Critic, Playwright and
>> Essayist. 1925 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1856-1950
>
> Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
> I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.
>
> Thanks again!
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise

You're welcome.

On Apr 4, 5:51 pm, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
wrote:
> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:251ce5ff-e3c4-4e2a-94c6-89a6b4fbef7f@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 4, 9:03 am, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) in Msg.#
> >> <a4ecd460-12c1-4416-88a6-bb9cda5ea...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> > > The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted not
> >> > > long ago
> >> > > is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
> >> > > elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote the
> >> > > script.
>
> >> > Could you post the information again, please?
>
> >> I hope you saw that I reposted them in a thread of their own last night
> >> right after you posted, asking. HTH. And, basically, it is an excellent
> >> version to pass along! Thanks to Mack for making it available here.
>
> >> --
> >> DonnaB shallotpeel,http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qLqzQRFnh0
>
> >> "You use a glass mirror to see your face; you use works of art to see
> >> your
> >> soul." - George Bernard Shaw. Irish literary Critic, Playwright and
> >> Essayist. 1925 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1856-1950
>
> > Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
> > I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.
>
> > Thanks again!
> > Michelle C., T2
> > diet & exercise
>
> You're welcome.

I got it! It's working! :-)

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

Michelle C. wrote:
> Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
> I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.

But if you're going to download and install something,
why not make it a real newsreader?

--
Wes Groleau

You always have time for what you do first.

"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:08512c4b-b6c4-4caf-a604-d6f9d31731b0@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 5:51 pm, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
> wrote:
>> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:251ce5ff-e3c4-4e2a-94c6-89a6b4fbef7f@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 4, 9:03 am, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) in
>> >> Msg.#
>> >> <a4ecd460-12c1-4416-88a6-bb9cda5ea...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> > > The instructions on how to KF in Google Groups that Mack posted
>> >> > > not
>> >> > > long ago
>> >> > > is superb in how clear & well written it is. I poached it to offer
>> >> > > elsewhere. And, I think he poached it from the person who wrote
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > script.
>>
>> >> > Could you post the information again, please?
>>
>> >> I hope you saw that I reposted them in a thread of their own last
>> >> night
>> >> right after you posted, asking. HTH. And, basically, it is an
>> >> excellent
>> >> version to pass along! Thanks to Mack for making it available here.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> DonnaB shallotpeel,http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qLqzQRFnh0
>>
>> >> "You use a glass mirror to see your face; you use works of art to see
>> >> your
>> >> soul." - George Bernard Shaw. Irish literary Critic, Playwright and
>> >> Essayist. 1925 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1856-1950
>>
>> > Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
>> > I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.
>>
>> > Thanks again!
>> > Michelle C., T2
>> > diet & exercise
>>
>> You're welcome.
>
> I got it! It's working! :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise

Good. Now let's see how many entries in your killfile you need.
I have over 1500 so far, but I've been adding them for months
and don't have a good way to prevent duplicare entries.

On Apr 4, 6:21 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
> Michelle C. wrote:
> > Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
> > I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.
>
> But if you're going to download and install something,
> why not make it a real newsreader?
>
> --
> Wes Groleau
>
> You always have time for what you do first.

What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
pay for newsgroups.

Thanks!
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

Michelle C. wrote:
> On Apr 4, 6:21 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
>> Michelle C. wrote:
>>> Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
>>> I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.
>> But if you're going to download and install something,
>> why not make it a real newsreader?
>>
>> --
>> Wes Groleau
>>
>> You always have time for what you do first.
>
> What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
> provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
> pay for newsgroups.
>
Try:-

news.tornevall.net/

It's a free news server, open by invitation which you can ask for on the
website.

The guy runs it as a hobby in Sweden, so it can be a bit flaky now &
again, especially at European peak times. If you're in the USA, your
times are a few hours adrift, so your peaks shouldn't match his peaks,
if you see what I mean.

If you're in the Firefox fold, then Thunderbird is not *too* bad a way
to read news, & it's the right price.

There are others, just google for free news server.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:322e9900-be3d-4564-986a-1a6d5376b428@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 6:21 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
>> Michelle C. wrote:
>> > Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
>> > I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.
>>
>> But if you're going to download and install something,
>> why not make it a real newsreader?
>>
>> --
>> Wes Groleau
>>
>> You always have time for what you do first.
>
> What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
> provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
> pay for newsgroups.
>
> Thanks!
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise

If you only want the text-only newsgroups, there are a number of free
newsgroups providers. Here's one I've read is one of the better ones:

http://www.motzarella.org/

In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT) in Msg.#
<322e9900-be3d-4564-986a-1a6d5376b428@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 4, 6:21 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
> > Michelle C. wrote:
> > > Thank you all--Robert, Donna, and Mack. I already have Firefox, so
> > > I'm halfway there. Will give this a try.
> >
> > But if you're going to download and install something,
> > why not make it a real newsreader?
> >
> > --
> > Wes Groleau
> >
> > You always have time for what you do first.
>
> What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
> provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
> pay for newsgroups.

Well, there are still a few free Usenet access providers. But, the real
bargain is the (text groups only but all text groups) German server that
many of us have used for years. Before so many USA ISPs dropped their Usenet
service, they used to be free, period. But, now they charge a nominal annual
fee. One year it worked out to 12 dollars US, another year 14 dollars US,
etc. I'm not sure exactly what it would be this second because of the
exchange rate. But, they really cover text newsgrous. Rarely do they miss
posts. They are quick in getting & sending posts. They are reliable. They
used to keep the spam almost completely down but now it seems like no one
can keep up entirely & users definitely need kill file abilities more
because of it.

Here's that info in case you want it:

The German news server: http://news.individual.net/

Go there & sign up & arrange payment & you'll get an email with info like
this:

________________________________________
Subject: [######] Confirming Your Registration for Individual.NET NetNews
Service
From: news-register@individual.net (Newsteam Individual.NET)
Date: xxxxx

Welcome to the NetNews service of Individual.NET,

On the server "News.Individual.NET" you can now read and write articles
in about xx,xxx national and international newsgroups.

Please configure the program you are using for accessing our server with
the following parameters:

Server/Newsserver News.Individual.NET
Username/Account yourname
Password nonsenseletters
Userid xxxxxx (generally not required)

You will find more detailed instructions for configuring your software
in the web: http://news.individual.net/config.html

In case of problems please write an email to
"news-register@individual.net".

Please observe our policy: http://news.individual.net/rules.html

Registration and use of this NetNews service blah blah associated University
blah, Germany.

More information about the NetNews service is available in the web:
http://news.individual.net/

Enjoy reading NetNews.

Name Name, news team Individual.NET
____________________________

You will need a piece of software - a newsreader. You will plug values into
it where the info it wants as to your server/provider, username, password,
etc.

Then, it will be blank, ready software & you will have to get a list of all
the newsgroups your provider offers.

Then you will subscribe to the ones you want.

(You'd have done almost all of this with AOL in the past, but they just
wouldn't have called things by their right names, etc. so it would do you no
good ... like, now.)

--
Donna B : ^> shallotpeel <*> RIP Gene Pitney 04-05-06 @ 65
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwK-tUrBYa8 "Town Without Pity"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HGfvSPLqYFs "I'm Gonna Be Strong"

DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
>
> Well, there are still a few free Usenet access providers. But, the real
> bargain is the (text groups only but all text groups) German server that
> many of us have used for years. Before so many USA ISPs dropped their Usenet
> service, they used to be free, period. But, now they charge a nominal annual
> fee. One year it worked out to 12 dollars US, another year 14 dollars US,
> etc. I'm not sure exactly what it would be this second because of the
> exchange rate. But, they really cover text newsgrous. Rarely do they miss
> posts. They are quick in getting & sending posts. They are reliable. They
> used to keep the spam almost completely down but now it seems like no one
> can keep up entirely & users definitely need kill file abilities more
> because of it.
>
It's billed in Euros at the interbank rate on the day you pay. 10 Euros
plus any commission your bank charges, so about USD 16 or 17 a year at
the moment. Apparently, the Click'n'Buy option for payment is currently
broken, but I believe they can accept payment by Paypal.

Excellent service, very good backup. I recently changed from the
Tornevall.net free server to Individual.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Apr 5, 12:53 pm, John Williamson <johnwilliam...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
>
> > Well, there are still a few free Usenet access providers. But, the real
> > bargain is the (text groups only but all text groups) German server that
> > many of us have used for years. Before so many USA ISPs dropped their Usenet
> > service, they used to be free, period. But, now they charge a nominal annual
> > fee. One year it worked out to 12 dollars US, another year 14 dollars US,
> > etc. I'm not sure exactly what it would be this second because of the
> > exchange rate. But, they really cover text newsgrous. Rarely do they miss
> > posts. They are quick in getting & sending posts. They are reliable. They
> > used to keep the spam almost completely down but now it seems like no one
> > can keep up entirely & users definitely need kill file abilities more
> > because of it.
>
> It's billed in Euros at the interbank rate on the day you pay. 10 Euros
> plus any commission your bank charges, so about USD 16 or 17 a year at
> the moment. Apparently, the Click'n'Buy option for payment is currently
> broken, but I believe they can accept payment by Paypal.
>
> Excellent service, very good backup. I recently changed from the
> Tornevall.net free server to Individual.
>
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.

Thanks everyone! I am copying the links to your suggestions and will
check it out. :-)

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

Michelle C. wrote:
> What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
> provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
> pay for newsgroups.

Well, I see you have plenty of newsserver suggestions.

For a reader, I like Thunderbird. Outlook works, but
it's not ideal. Though it does make "block sender"
slightly easier than Thunderbird.

Agent doesn't cost much, and does a few things that
Thunderbird doesn't. But I _really_ like the
price of Thunderbird.

--
Wes Groleau
-----------
Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:
http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html
(Not necessarily my opinion, but worth reading)

On Apr 5, 5:19 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
> Michelle C. wrote:
> > What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
> > provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
> > pay for newsgroups.
>
> Well, I see you have plenty of newsserver suggestions.
>
> For a reader, I like Thunderbird. Outlook works, but
> it's not ideal. Though it does make "block sender"
> slightly easier than Thunderbird.
>
> Agent doesn't cost much, and does a few things that
> Thunderbird doesn't. But I _really_ like the
> price of Thunderbird.
>
> --
> Wes Groleau
> -----------
> Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html
> (Not necessarily my opinion, but worth reading)

Thanks Wes. I'll add Thunderbird to my research list. :-)

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

In article <52164aa7-e84f-49b3-8139-a3bad44e8e50
@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, bookbug2005@gmail.com says...
> On Apr 5, 5:19 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
> > Michelle C. wrote:
> > > What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
> > > provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
> > > pay for newsgroups.
> >
> > Well, I see you have plenty of newsserver suggestions.
> >
> > For a reader, I like Thunderbird. Outlook works, but
> > it's not ideal. Though it does make "block sender"
> > slightly easier than Thunderbird.
> >
> > Agent doesn't cost much, and does a few things that
> > Thunderbird doesn't. But I _really_ like the
> > price of Thunderbird.
> >
> > --
> > Wes Groleau
> > -----------
> > Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html
> > (Not necessarily my opinion, but worth reading)
>
> Thanks Wes. I'll add Thunderbird to my research list. :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise


Free, no account needed and pretty good too!
http://news.aioe.org/

"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:52164aa7-e84f-49b3-8139-a3bad44e8e50@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 5, 5:19 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
>> Michelle C. wrote:
>> > What do you suggest? I don't have newsgroups from my internet
>> > provider (if I did, I could use Outlook Express), and I don't want to
>> > pay for newsgroups.
>>
>> Well, I see you have plenty of newsserver suggestions.
>>
>> For a reader, I like Thunderbird. Outlook works, but
>> it's not ideal. Though it does make "block sender"
>> slightly easier than Thunderbird.
>>
>> Agent doesn't cost much, and does a few things that
>> Thunderbird doesn't. But I _really_ like the
>> price of Thunderbird.
>>
>> --
>> Wes Groleau
>> -----------
>> Curmudgeon's Complaints on
>> Courtesy:http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html
>> (Not necessarily my opinion, but worth reading)
>
> Thanks Wes. I'll add Thunderbird to my research list. :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise

Then you may want to look at this website:

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/all.html

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
<evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:

>Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>
>Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>
>Rotten spammers!

Does anyone have a kf solution that works with Agent?

It is becoming difficult to find genuine new comers whom I'd like to
help.

Thanks,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:8i2pv3ljk5setpd9esjnlpdc70nqb2htf9@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
> <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>>
>>Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>>
>>Rotten spammers!
>
> Does anyone have a kf solution that works with Agent?
>
> It is becoming difficult to find genuine new comers whom I'd like to
> help.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
> New Zealand, >#,#< [
> / \ /\
> "... and the blind dog was leading."
>
> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

G'day Quentin,

I suggest we chose a board, or tribunal, who will examine the credentials of
every new poster to determine whether she or he is suitable to post and who
deserve our help.

Needless to say, I don't want to be part of that board........

Henry Mydlarz

hemyd wrote:
>
> "Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:8i2pv3ljk5setpd9esjnlpdc70nqb2htf9@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>> <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>>>
>>> Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>>>
>>> Rotten spammers!
>>
>> Does anyone have a kf solution that works with Agent?
>>
>> It is becoming difficult to find genuine new comers whom I'd like to
>> help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
>> New Zealand, >#,#< [
>> / \ /\
>> "... and the blind dog was leading."
>>
>> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
>
> G'day Quentin,
>
> I suggest we chose a board, or tribunal, who will examine the
> credentials of every new poster to determine whether she or he is
> suitable to post and who deserve our help.
>
> Needless to say, I don't want to be part of that board........
>
> Henry Mydlarz
>
Henry, i have never seen Quentin 'question the credentials' of a new
poster......... i am taking his 'genuine' to mean versus the spammers
and chung's crowd

kate

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:21:51 +1200, Quentin Grady posted:

>On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
><evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>>
>>Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>>
>>Rotten spammers!
>
>Does anyone have a kf solution that works with Agent?
>
>It is becoming difficult to find genuine new comers whom I'd like to
>help.

Take a look at nfilter at http://www.nfilter.org

It will work with most, if not all newsreaders because it sits in
between the newsreader and port 119 (or whatever port you have
configured for reading news).

It's very simple to install. All you need do is tell your newsreader
to talk to "localhost" instead of your ISP, and then tell nfilter to
talk to your ISP.

Example using Agent and supernews:
Under Options->User and System Profile->System I had
"news.supernews.com". I changed that to "localhost". I then ran
nfilter and under Edit->Configration->Network, I changed Server Name
to "news.supernews.com". You can then hide nfilter and use Agent in
the same way as usual.

Setting up filters is a little more tricky. For best results, it
requires some knowledge of regular expressions. There are lots of
examples and tutorials around, though.

When you set up filters, you have the choice of just flagging them or
dropping them altogether. You can flag them permanently, which will
allow you to spot the bad ones easily, or just while testing your
regular expressions, then changing to "drop" when you have it right.

Here are a couple of examples:

Subject: Wholesale Movado-0605012 Cheapest

is flagged by the entry

* flag:[SPAM] from:.*@aaa-replica-watch.com

or dropped by the entry

* drop from:.*@aaa-replica-watch.com

You can also make filters that are specific to a newsgroup...

alt.support.diabetes flag:[TWIT] from:.* rk *

As well, you can filter of things that Agent can't, like crossposting
from specific newsgroups.

Anyway, it's free, though no longer supported by its author.
If you decide to start using it, I'd be happy to supply some filters
for the nfilter.dat file that work for me.

Hope this helps.


--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08)

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:57:54 -0600, Oleg Lego posted:

>
>On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:21:51 +1200, Quentin Grady posted:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>><evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>>>
>>>Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>>>
>>>Rotten spammers!
>>
>>Does anyone have a kf solution that works with Agent?
>>
>>It is becoming difficult to find genuine new comers whom I'd like to
>>help.
>
>Take a look at nfilter at http://www.nfilter.org
>
>It will work with most, if not all newsreaders because it sits in
>between the newsreader and port 119 (or whatever port you have
>configured for reading news).
>
>It's very simple to install. All you need do is tell your newsreader
>to talk to "localhost" instead of your ISP, and then tell nfilter to
>talk to your ISP.
>
>Example using Agent and supernews:
> Under Options->User and System Profile->System I had
>"news.supernews.com". I changed that to "localhost". I then ran
>nfilter and under Edit->Configration->Network, I changed Server Name
>to "news.supernews.com". You can then hide nfilter and use Agent in
>the same way as usual.
>
>Setting up filters is a little more tricky. For best results, it
>requires some knowledge of regular expressions. There are lots of
>examples and tutorials around, though.
>
>When you set up filters, you have the choice of just flagging them or
>dropping them altogether. You can flag them permanently, which will
>allow you to spot the bad ones easily, or just while testing your
>regular expressions, then changing to "drop" when you have it right.
>
>Here are a couple of examples:
>
>Subject: Wholesale Movado-0605012 Cheapest
>
>is flagged by the entry
>
> * flag:[SPAM] from:.*@aaa-replica-watch.com
>
>or dropped by the entry
>
> * drop from:.*@aaa-replica-watch.com
>
>You can also make filters that are specific to a newsgroup...
>
> alt.support.diabetes flag:[TWIT] from:.* rk *
>
>As well, you can filter of things that Agent can't, like crossposting
>from specific newsgroups.
>
>Anyway, it's free, though no longer supported by its author.
>If you decide to start using it, I'd be happy to supply some filters
>for the nfilter.dat file that work for me.
>
>Hope this helps.

Forgot to mention; the "flag:" entry above will result in your subject
line in Agent's header window looking like this:

[SPAM] Wholesale Movado-0605012 Cheapest

I like to use flags that indicate the "testing" status, like:

[SPAM-?], or [TROLL-MAYBE]

That way, I can easily check to see if the filter is working the way I
expect it to, or in the case of a [TROLL] or a [TWIT], I can check to
see if it was a one-time aberration or not. It's then real easy to
change the "flag:" to a "drop".

Oh, and the other use for the "flag:" is to highlight a poster you
want to read. I have you flagged with a reminder that is easier to
notice than the "from" entry in the header window.

--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08)

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:6643chF2iref5U1@mid.individual.net...
> hemyd wrote:
>>
>> "Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
>> news:8i2pv3ljk5setpd9esjnlpdc70nqb2htf9@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>>> <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>>>>
>>>> Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>>>>
>>>> Rotten spammers!
>>>
[snip]
Lately, I've been seeing fewer spammers than usual. But there
are also fewer other messages than usual, so I don't know
whether it's because my newsgroups server has problems,
or because groups-abuse@google.com finally does enough
to discourage the spammers if you keep on sending then
copies of the spam with all headers for at least a month.

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:57:54 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
wrote:

>
>On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:21:51 +1200, Quentin Grady posted:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>><evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Google groups used to do a good job of preventing spam.
>>>
>>>Now all the groups are loaded with it every day.
>>>
>>>Rotten spammers!
>>
>>Does anyone have a kf solution that works with Agent?
>>
>>It is becoming difficult to find genuine new comers whom I'd like to
>>help.

G'day G'day Oleg,

Firstly thank you for understanding my request. I find I have to be
very careful deleting posts for replica Rolex watches making sure I
don't also accidentally delete relevant posts.

>Take a look at nfilter at http://www.nfilter.org
>
>It will work with most, if not all newsreaders because it sits in
>between the newsreader and port 119 (or whatever port you have
>configured for reading news).
>
>It's very simple to install. All you need do is tell your newsreader
>to talk to "localhost" instead of your ISP, and then tell nfilter to
>talk to your ISP.
>
>Example using Agent and supernews:
> Under Options->User and System Profile->System I had
>"news.supernews.com". I changed that to "localhost". I then ran
>nfilter and under Edit->Configration->Network, I changed Server Name
>to "news.supernews.com". You can then hide nfilter and use Agent in
>the same way as usual.
>
>Setting up filters is a little more tricky. For best results, it
>requires some knowledge of regular expressions. There are lots of
>examples and tutorials around, though.
>
>When you set up filters, you have the choice of just flagging them or
>dropping them altogether. You can flag them permanently, which will
>allow you to spot the bad ones easily, or just while testing your
>regular expressions, then changing to "drop" when you have it right.
>
>Here are a couple of examples:
>
>Subject: Wholesale Movado-0605012 Cheapest
>
>is flagged by the entry
>
> * flag:[SPAM] from:.*@aaa-replica-watch.com
>
>or dropped by the entry
>
> * drop from:.*@aaa-replica-watch.com
>
>You can also make filters that are specific to a newsgroup...
>
> alt.support.diabetes flag:[TWIT] from:.* rk *
>
>As well, you can filter of things that Agent can't, like crossposting
>from specific newsgroups.
>
>Anyway, it's free, though no longer supported by its author.
>If you decide to start using it, I'd be happy to supply some filters
>for the nfilter.dat file that work for me.
>
>Hope this helps.

It does. Very much so. Thank you,

Best wishes,
--
Quentin G