Whatever Happened to Low-Carb Diets?

#1 11-10-2006, 02:48 PM

This article takes a broader look at the subject of recent threads. In
short, be moderate in carb and saturated fat choices as your meter
directs. Diabetics are often not aware that both carbs and saturated
fats are implicated in the source and progress of diabetes because both
are involved in insulin resistance and beta cell health.

http://www.schwartzreport.net/showarticle.php?id=2636

"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation, moderation,
moderation.
"Better studies have said time and again to limit saturated fat,"
Ayoob said. "That's what I tell my patients and what I'll continue to
tell them."
"The message should be carefully evaluated in reference to saturated
fat," said Jana Klauer, a physician specializing in nutrition and
exercise in New York. "What the study does say is: All carbohydrates
are not the same. Those that spike blood sugar are not good for your
heart. High amounts of protein will not hurt you. Vegetable protein
and fat lower risk for heart disease."
"I recommend high amounts of protein to my patients but advise them
to
focus on lean meats, take the skin off chicken, and eat good amounts
of fish.""

#2 11-10-2006, 11:07 PM

On 10 Nov 2006 13:18:43 GMT, coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:

>"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation, moderation,
> moderation.

Funny - that rings a bell. Now where have I heard that
before??

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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#3 11-11-2006, 09:29 AM

coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
> This article takes a broader look at the subject of recent threads. In
> short, be moderate in carb and saturated fat choices as your meter
> directs. Diabetics are often not aware that both carbs and saturated
> fats are implicated in the source and progress of diabetes because both
> are involved in insulin resistance and beta cell health.

> http://www.schwartzreport.net/showarticle.php?id=2636

> "In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation, moderation,
> moderation.

Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)

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#4 11-11-2006, 09:29 AM

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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
>
>>This article takes a broader look at the subject of recent threads. In
>>short, be moderate in carb and saturated fat choices as your meter
>>directs. Diabetics are often not aware that both carbs and saturated
>>fats are implicated in the source and progress of diabetes because both
>>are involved in insulin resistance and beta cell health.
>
>
>>http://www.schwartzreport.net/showarticle.php?id=2636
>
>
>>"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
>> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation, moderation,
>> moderation.
>
>
> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
>

First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."

That precludes "second..."

Susan

#5 11-12-2006, 02:28 AM

Susan wrote:
>> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
>> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
>
> First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."

As has been clearly stated here MANY times:

If you want moderation, go start your own group.

--
Wes Groleau

Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?

#6 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

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Wes Groleau wrote:

> As has been clearly stated here MANY times:
>
> If you want moderation, go start your own group.
>

Wrong kind of moderation, Wes.

Susan

#7 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:4rkft9Fs0kkmU14@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
>>
>>>"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
>>> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation,
>>> moderation,
>>> moderation.
>>
>> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
>> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
>
> First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."

Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"

And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."

Mordechai

#8 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 12 Nov 2006 02:32:41 GMT in Msg.#
<dJv5h.445$m72.218@trnddc03>, Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>
wrote:

> Susan wrote:
> >> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
> >> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
> >
> > First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."
>
> As has been clearly stated here MANY times:
>
> If you want moderation, go start your own group.

Mwa Ha Ha HA, very good. I didn't catch it for a second.

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#9 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 12 Nov 2006 04:12:17 GMT in Msg.#
<Bax5h.1235$bj1.1106@trndny05>, "Mordechai Housman" <moreorless@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:4rkft9Fs0kkmU14@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > Chris Malcolm wrote:
> >> coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
> >>> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation, moderation, moderation.
> >>
> >> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
> >> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
> >
> > First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."
>
> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
>
> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."

But, now, really, what does 'agree' mean? Are we talking consensus? 100%? a
plurality? Will there be a poll? A vote? Will it be binding?

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06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

#10 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

Mordechai Housman wrote:

> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:4rkft9Fs0kkmU14@mid.individual.net...
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>>
>>> coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> "In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
>>>> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation, moderation,
>>>> moderation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
>>> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
>>
>>
>> First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."
>
>
> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
>
> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."
>
> Mordechai

And a definition of "of".

Jennifer

#11 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

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Mordechai Housman wrote:

> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
>
> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."
>
> Mordechai

This could take a while. ;-)

Susan

#12 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:4ros49Fs98tmU2@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Mordechai Housman wrote:
>
>> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
>>
>> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."
>>
>> Mordechai
>
> This could take a while. ;-)
>
> Susan

We haven't worked out a "second" yet

Nicky.

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95/72/72Kg

#13 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:56:44 -0000 in Msg.#
<4rp22cFs39frU1@mid.individual.net>, "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
wrote:

> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:4ros49Fs98tmU2@mid.individual.net...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > Mordechai Housman wrote:
> >
> >> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
> >>
> >> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."
> >>
> >> Mordechai
> >
> > This could take a while. ;-)
> >
> > Susan
>
> We haven't worked out a "second" yet

Wait, we have to do both a first and a second version?!!!

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#14 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

Mordechai Housman <moreorless@verizon.net> wrote:
: "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
: news:4rkft9Fs0kkmU14@mid.individual.net...
: > x-no-archive: yes
: >
: > Chris Malcolm wrote:
: >> coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
: >>
: >>>"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
: >>> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation,
: >>> moderation,
: >>> moderation.
: >>
: >> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
: >> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
: >
: > First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."

: Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"

: And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."

: Mordechai

No pilpul here:-) I wouldn't try to tangle with a Tamudist in arument:-)

Regards to you from my kids, Jon and Debra Baker, if you are the same
Mordechai.

Wendy

#15 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ej7luu$sa3$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Mordechai Housman <moreorless@verizon.net> wrote:
> : "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> : news:4rkft9Fs0kkmU14@mid.individual.net...
> : > x-no-archive: yes
> : >
> : > Chris Malcolm wrote:
> : >> coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
> : >>
> : >>>"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the
> best
> : >>> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation,
> : >>> moderation,
> : >>> moderation.
> : >>
> : >> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue
> the
> : >> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
> : >
> : > First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."
>
> : Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
>
> : And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."
>
> : Mordechai
>
> No pilpul here:-) I wouldn't try to tangle with a Tamudist in
> arument:-)
>
> Regards to you from my kids, Jon and Debra Baker, if you are the same
> Mordechai.

Yes! I am indeed THAT Mordechai. Wow! I had no idea you were Jon's
mother! Wow, what a small world!

How did you know they had a friend Mordechai?

Mordechai

#16 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

In article <Bax5h.1235$bj1.1106@trndny05>,
"Mordechai Housman" <moreorless@verizon.net> wrote:

> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:4rkft9Fs0kkmU14@mid.individual.net...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > Chris Malcolm wrote:
> >> coonskin@amestwp.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>"In the confusion over what to eat, many experts say that the best
> >>> course of action is a tried-and-true mantra: moderation,
> >>> moderation,
> >>> moderation.
> >>
> >> Sounds a bit strong to me. You have to be careful not to overdue the
> >> moderation. Moderation in moderation. :-)
> >
> > First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."
>
> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
>
> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."

I think Mordechai is going to fit in here just fine. ;-)

Priscilla

#17 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

In article <009dl298gsmnaul28r9e9pas5iufb6bdif@4ax.com>,
Donna B <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> But, now, really, what does 'agree' mean? Are we talking consensus? 100%? a
> plurality? Will there be a poll? A vote? Will it be binding?

Will the electoral college be involved?

Priscilla

#18 11-13-2006, 05:53 AM

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:20:50 -0500 in Msg.#
<vze23t8n-73AEAD.17205012112006@individual.net>, Priscilla Ballou
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

> In article <009dl298gsmnaul28r9e9pas5iufb6bdif@4ax.com>,
> Donna B <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > But, now, really, what does 'agree' mean? Are we talking consensus? 100%? a
> > plurality? Will there be a poll? A vote? Will it be binding?
>
> Will the electoral college be involved?

Gosh, I don't even know what ASD District I'm in!

--
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06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

#19 11-13-2006, 05:54 AM

Mordechai Housman <moreorless@verizon.net> wrote:
: >
: > No pilpul here:-) I wouldn't try to tangle with a Tamudist in
: > arument:-)
: >
: > Regards to you from my kids, Jon and Debra Baker, if you are the same
: > Mordechai.

: Yes! I am indeed THAT Mordechai. Wow! I had no idea you were Jon's
: mother! Wow, what a small world!

: How did you know they had a friend Mordechai?

: Mordechai

I mentioned that there was an Orthodox guy who joined the list who I
believe, lived in the Monsey, Rockland county area and his name is
Mordechai Housman. tha twas it.

Debbie, who is also now, officially diabetic will be contacting you via
email with some information on an Orthodox diabetes mail list, I believe,
tht yu might be interested in.

Sorry you had to join this club that no one wants to join, but I am glad
we ave connected. Any further of this kind of stuff we coul dtake off
list. My address is not different, so you can reach me.

By the way I thought of some Pesach help. Winter squashes, like butternut
or acorn or spaghetti squash, with shaells that you don't eat and that can
be mashed or cooked up in various ways tht can taste good and are filling.
My vegetarian son(not Jon) used the spaghetti squash to make dinners
during Pesach.

Well, it is a small world:-)

Wendy Baker

#20 11-13-2006, 05:54 AM

> Wrong kind of moderation, Wes.

'twas a joke, Susan.

--
Wes Groleau

The man who says, "I can do it!" may sometimes fail.
The man who says, "Impossible!" will never succeed.

#21 11-13-2006, 05:54 AM

Susan wrote:
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>> As has been clearly stated here MANY times:
>>
>> If you want moderation, go start your own group.
>
> Wrong kind of moderation, Wes.

Since someone said we "need to agree on the definition
of moderation," I thought a little joke might help.

--
Wes Groleau

If you put garbage in a computer nothing comes out but garbage.
But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine,
is somehow ennobled and none dare criticize it.

#22 11-13-2006, 05:54 AM

Priscilla Ballou wrote:

> Will the electoral college be involved?

Or an electrical collage ?

--
Wes Groleau

Pat's Polemics = http://ideas.lang-learn.us/barrett

#23 11-13-2006, 05:54 AM

>>> First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."
>>
>> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
>>
>> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."
>
> And a definition of "of".

Why are y'all discriminating against "IS" ?

--
Wes Groleau
"Would the prodigal have gone home if
the elder brother was running the farm?"
-- James Jordan

#24 11-13-2006, 06:36 PM

In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 13 Nov 2006 03:57:46 GMT in Msg.#
<_2S5h.4133$dh7.1485@trnddc01>, Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>
wrote:

> Susan wrote:
> > Wes Groleau wrote:
> >> As has been clearly stated here MANY times:
> >>
> >> If you want moderation, go start your own group.
> >
> > Wrong kind of moderation, Wes.
>
> Since someone said we "need to agree on the definition
> of moderation," I thought a little joke might help.

Helped me!!! [chortle]

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#25 11-13-2006, 06:36 PM

In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 13 Nov 2006 04:00:13 GMT in Msg.#
<h5S5h.4135$dh7.4025@trnddc01>, Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>
wrote:

> >>> First we have to agree on a definition of "moderation."
> >>
> >> Wait a second! Are we agreed on the definition of "definition?"
> >>
> >> And after that, we must agree on a definition of "agree."
> >
> > And a definition of "of".
>
> Why are y'all discriminating against "IS" ?

Clinton, we're tiptoeing around that one.

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