When is a hba1c result too low

Okay does anyone know what hba1c test would be considered too low ??

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:36:30 -0000, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Okay does anyone know what hba1c test would be considered too low ??
>

The lab-normal range goes from 0-6 round here :P I'd be worried if I
went below 4. There's a couple of genetic abnormalities where people
go very very low, and I don't recall any ill effects from this? But
certainly your 5.1 is fine. Young non-diabetics are mid-4.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Thanks
I was just wondering as mines now down from 13.7 at diagnosis to 5.1 and I
have hypo's but not frequently and heard that a too lower hba1c indicates
too many hypo's but its still something I dont get the hang of yet
I was told to aim for under 7 so gp is happy but its still confusing what
you should aim for
Donna


"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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>
> The lab-normal range goes from 0-6 round here :P I'd be worried if I
> went below 4. There's a couple of genetic abnormalities where people
> go very very low, and I don't recall any ill effects from this? But
> certainly your 5.1 is fine. Young non-diabetics are mid-4.
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Okay does anyone know what hba1c test would be considered too low ??

Mine was in the 4's once. 4.3? Maybe. Can't remember now and don't have
my labs from back then. I knew I was in trouble because I was having more
hypos than not.

"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks
> I was just wondering as mines now down from 13.7 at diagnosis to 5.1 and I
> have hypo's but not frequently and heard that a too lower hba1c indicates
> too many hypo's but its still something I dont get the hang of yet
> I was told to aim for under 7 so gp is happy but its still confusing what
> you should aim for

Mine are generally between 4.7 and 5.1. I don't have hypos.

Hi Donna
I feel that too low is just as bad as too high.

I've had many Hypo's and my A1C was 5.3 and feel it does harm to myself just
as too high will do

We just can't win


Larry from NJ


"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks
> I was just wondering as mines now down from 13.7 at diagnosis to 5.1 and I
> have hypo's but not frequently and heard that a too lower hba1c indicates
> too many hypo's but its still something I dont get the hang of yet
> I was told to aim for under 7 so gp is happy but its still confusing what
> you should aim for
> Donna
>
>
> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:akvdt399pv0h483r7d1bktsubm4fd2si87@4ax.com...
>>
>> The lab-normal range goes from 0-6 round here :P I'd be worried if I
>> went below 4. There's a couple of genetic abnormalities where people
>> go very very low, and I don't recall any ill effects from this? But
>> certainly your 5.1 is fine. Young non-diabetics are mid-4.
>>
>> Nicky.
>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>
>

Cloudedbrains wrote:
> Okay does anyone know what hba1c test would be considered too low ??
>
>

Recent thinking has it that your variability of readings may be more
important than your average (A1c). Considering that a 110 average could
be created by a 50 and a 170 or two 110's, the second set of readings is
obviously healthier.

The relevant statistic to determine "variability" of your readings is
the Standard Deviation as compared with the mean (average) of your
readings.

Here's a quote from the link below:

"Dr. Hirsch suggests that diabetics should aim for an SD of one-third of
their mean blood sugar."

Here's the quoted link: http://diabetesmonitor.com/m57.htm


The link includes a calculator to determine the standard deviation from
a set of your readings. You'll need to calculate your own average and
then figure the ratio between SD and that average.

You can also use Excel if you know how to use it, or any good software
designed for your meter.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:36:30 +0000, Cloudedbrains wrote:

> Okay does anyone know what hba1c test would be considered too low ??

I would probably start being nervous if it was much below about 4.2.

Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone else
to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but on average
I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low yoyo and it just
worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!


"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
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>
> I would probably start being nervous if it was much below about 4.2.

On Mar 11, 6:15*pm, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:
> "Cloudedbrains" <donna_william...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ZuKdnUpoh8benUranZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > Thanks
> > I was just wondering as mines now down from 13.7 at diagnosis to 5.1 andI
> > have hypo's but not frequently and heard that a too lower hba1c indicates
> > too many hypo's but its still something I dont get the hang of yet
> > I was told to aim for under 7 so gp is happy but its still confusing what
> > you should aim for
>
> Mine are generally between 4.7 and 5.1. I don't have hypos.

Dayum! Nice numbers.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:44:07 +0000, Cloudedbrains wrote:

> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone
> else to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but
> on average I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low
> yoyo and it just worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!

IMHO - you need to work to even it out. Hypo's are bad, just as highs are
bad. If you have a 5.1 that's good - if you don't experience hypo's. My
ultimate goal is to get back into the 'normal' range which is somewhere
around 4.5 - 4.7 or so.


>
>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:63op34F28fue1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> I would probably start being nervous if it was much below about 4.2.

ray wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:44:07 +0000, Cloudedbrains wrote:
>
>> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
>> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to
>> someone else to force me to treat them) and also at times very high
>> sugars but on average I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will
>> start high/low yoyo and it just worried me to as what point a hba1c
>> is too low !!
>
> IMHO - you need to work to even it out. Hypo's are bad, just as highs
> are bad. If you have a 5.1 that's good - if you don't experience
> hypo's. My ultimate goal is to get back into the 'normal' range which
> is somewhere around 4.5 - 4.7 or so.
>
>
>>
>>
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:63op34F28fue1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> I would probably start being nervous if it was much below about 4.2.



i don't feel it until it hits 3.0 or less ,
and when i stopped using glyburide ,
i stopped having lows below 4 or 5

I swing high and I mean seriously high due to medications I take for brittle
asthma and because I just dont feel hypos when I have one I can be very low
and not know !!
How on earth do you combat that ??
For 15mths or more we've been trying to fathom what to do and even the endo
is stuck now !!
I am fedup with the whole round about for me - up and down and round and
round

Donna



"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:63qbj7F28hnbjU7@mid.individual.net...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:44:07 +0000, Cloudedbrains wrote:
>
>> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
>> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone
>> else to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but
>> on average I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low
>> yoyo and it just worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!
>
> IMHO - you need to work to even it out. Hypo's are bad, just as highs are
> bad. If you have a 5.1 that's good - if you don't experience hypo's. My
> ultimate goal is to get back into the 'normal' range which is somewhere
> around 4.5 - 4.7 or so.
>
>
>>
>>
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:63op34F28fue1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> I would probably start being nervous if it was much below about 4.2.
>

On Mar 12, 2:44 am, "Cloudedbrains" <donna_william...@btopenworld.com>
wrote:
> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone else
> to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but on average
> I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low yoyo and it just
> worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!

I think you are confusing A1c (aka HbA1c) and your blood glucose
readings.

Your doctor orders an A1c reading maybe once every three months or
so. It's a measure of how much of your hemoglobin has sugar stuck to
it. Lean, healthy adults usually run between 4% and 4.8% (according
to Dr. Bernstein.) Not-so-lean nondiabetics are below 6%; diabetics
in middlingly-good control stay below 7%; (exclusions apply, YMMV.)

You should be measuring your blood glucose several times a day. In
the USA, folks usually measure in terms of mg/dl. Healthy, lean
adults usually stay between 70-110 mg/dl.

Outside the USA, this is usually measured in mmol/l - convert by
dividing by 18. This gives a normal range of 3.9 mmol/l to 6.7 mmol/
l.

DON'T CONFUSE YOUR A1c NUMBER WITH YOUR BLOOD-GLUCOSE NUMBER. They
both range roughly between 4 and 7. They're related. But they
measure two different things. A1c is a measure of how much damage the
glucose in your body has done to the blood cells (and by extension, a
measure of how much damage it's doing to the rest of your tissues,
too.)

Blood glucose can be too low - not enough fuel for certain parts of
the brain. The only way that A1c can be too low is if the blood
cells are dying off rapidly and the body is quickly replacing them (so
they don't hang around long enough to show damage. ) This can happen
in sickle-cell disease and some other pathologic conditions. Also,
some people can have unusual hemoglobins which don't measure normally
and their A1c measurements don't accurately reflect the damage that
high glucose is doing. There's another test (fructosamine) that's
used to double-check the A1c result.

Read more detail at 'Healthy Blood Sugar Targets'
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php

Adam Becker Sr

Excuse me but I am NOT confused YOU ARE !!
I am in the UK and that is the level they lab did for my GP from a veinous
sample !!
My fastin sugar via veinous was 7.1 and my hba1c was 5.1 !!
I am not a 5yr old and I am certainly NOT stupid !!
I know full well what my sugars are as I have to test 10 times a day due to
other illnesses complicating my diabetes !!
I've lowered my HBA1c in the last 15mths or more after diagnosis and thats
the lab result !!
Back off with your "Pious" attitude !!
Attitudes like you've just shown put people of seeking advice and help !!
I know full well hypo's are bad but I asked if a "hba1c could be too low" !!
Why dont you get yourself a life !!



<sphynx.red@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5b2a48d7-eca1-43a3-b7b5-9abbc5c99b39@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 12, 2:44 am, "Cloudedbrains" <donna_william...@btopenworld.com>
> wrote:
>> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
>> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone
>> else
>> to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but on
>> average
>> I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low yoyo and it
>> just
>> worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!
>
> I think you are confusing A1c (aka HbA1c) and your blood glucose
> readings.
>
> Your doctor orders an A1c reading maybe once every three months or
> so. It's a measure of how much of your hemoglobin has sugar stuck to
> it. Lean, healthy adults usually run between 4% and 4.8% (according
> to Dr. Bernstein.) Not-so-lean nondiabetics are below 6%; diabetics
> in middlingly-good control stay below 7%; (exclusions apply, YMMV.)
>
> You should be measuring your blood glucose several times a day. In
> the USA, folks usually measure in terms of mg/dl. Healthy, lean
> adults usually stay between 70-110 mg/dl.
>
> Outside the USA, this is usually measured in mmol/l - convert by
> dividing by 18. This gives a normal range of 3.9 mmol/l to 6.7 mmol/
> l.
>
> DON'T CONFUSE YOUR A1c NUMBER WITH YOUR BLOOD-GLUCOSE NUMBER. They
> both range roughly between 4 and 7. They're related. But they
> measure two different things. A1c is a measure of how much damage the
> glucose in your body has done to the blood cells (and by extension, a
> measure of how much damage it's doing to the rest of your tissues,
> too.)
>
> Blood glucose can be too low - not enough fuel for certain parts of
> the brain. The only way that A1c can be too low is if the blood
> cells are dying off rapidly and the body is quickly replacing them (so
> they don't hang around long enough to show damage. ) This can happen
> in sickle-cell disease and some other pathologic conditions. Also,
> some people can have unusual hemoglobins which don't measure normally
> and their A1c measurements don't accurately reflect the damage that
> high glucose is doing. There's another test (fructosamine) that's
> used to double-check the A1c result.
>
> Read more detail at 'Healthy Blood Sugar Targets'
> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php
>
> Adam Becker Sr

Cloudedbrains wrote:
> Excuse me but I am NOT confused YOU ARE !!
> I am in the UK and that is the level they lab did for my GP from a veinous
> sample !!
> My fastin sugar via veinous was 7.1 and my hba1c was 5.1 !!
> I am not a 5yr old and I am certainly NOT stupid !!
> I know full well what my sugars are as I have to test 10 times a day due to
> other illnesses complicating my diabetes !!
> I've lowered my HBA1c in the last 15mths or more after diagnosis and thats
> the lab result !!
> Back off with your "Pious" attitude !!
> Attitudes like you've just shown put people of seeking advice and help !!
> I know full well hypo's are bad but I asked if a "hba1c could be too low" !!
> Why dont you get yourself a life !!
>
>
>
> <sphynx.red@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5b2a48d7-eca1-43a3-b7b5-9abbc5c99b39@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 12, 2:44 am, "Cloudedbrains" <donna_william...@btopenworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
>>> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone
>>> else
>>> to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but on
>>> average
>>> I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low yoyo and it
>>> just
>>> worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!
>> I think you are confusing A1c (aka HbA1c) and your blood glucose
>> readings.
>>
>> Your doctor orders an A1c reading maybe once every three months or
>> so. It's a measure of how much of your hemoglobin has sugar stuck to
>> it. Lean, healthy adults usually run between 4% and 4.8% (according
>> to Dr. Bernstein.) Not-so-lean nondiabetics are below 6%; diabetics
>> in middlingly-good control stay below 7%; (exclusions apply, YMMV.)
>>
>> You should be measuring your blood glucose several times a day. In
>> the USA, folks usually measure in terms of mg/dl. Healthy, lean
>> adults usually stay between 70-110 mg/dl.
>>
>> Outside the USA, this is usually measured in mmol/l - convert by
>> dividing by 18. This gives a normal range of 3.9 mmol/l to 6.7 mmol/
>> l.
>>
>> DON'T CONFUSE YOUR A1c NUMBER WITH YOUR BLOOD-GLUCOSE NUMBER. They
>> both range roughly between 4 and 7. They're related. But they
>> measure two different things. A1c is a measure of how much damage the
>> glucose in your body has done to the blood cells (and by extension, a
>> measure of how much damage it's doing to the rest of your tissues,
>> too.)
>>
>> Blood glucose can be too low - not enough fuel for certain parts of
>> the brain. The only way that A1c can be too low is if the blood
>> cells are dying off rapidly and the body is quickly replacing them (so
>> they don't hang around long enough to show damage. ) This can happen
>> in sickle-cell disease and some other pathologic conditions. Also,
>> some people can have unusual hemoglobins which don't measure normally
>> and their A1c measurements don't accurately reflect the damage that
>> high glucose is doing. There's another test (fructosamine) that's
>> used to double-check the A1c result.
>>
>> Read more detail at 'Healthy Blood Sugar Targets'
>> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php
>>
>> Adam Becker Sr
>
>
ahhhhhhhh as usual, we get Donna's true feelings about the newsgroup

isnt she over sensitive?

Well look who cant keep her nose out - the one person I dont come here
because of !!
So somebody assumes wrongly something about someone as seems common here and
people
arent allowed to put them right !!
Someone spoke to me like a 5 yr old kid and I will always defend myself
against up themselves idiots
as you full well know !!



"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:63svbrF294idjU2@mid.individual.net...> ahhhhhhhh as usual, we get
Donna's true feelings about the newsgroup
>
> isnt she over sensitive?

In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:38:52 -0000 in Msg.#
<MK6dnafw8PDi10TanZ2dnUVZ8uqdnZ2d@bt.com>, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:63svbrF294idjU2@mid.individual.net...> ahhhhhhhh as usual, we get
> Donna's true feelings about the newsgroup
> >
> > isnt she over sensitive?
>
> Well look who cant keep her nose out - the one person I dont come here
> because of !!
> So somebody assumes wrongly something about someone as seems common here and
> people
> arent allowed to put them right !!
> Someone spoke to me like a 5 yr old kid and I will always defend myself
> against up themselves idiots
> as you full well know !!

Donna, you went off like crazy at someone who was simply trying to help you.
There was nothing there to defend yourself against. Sure, you could set the
record straight. But, you could have done so without ranting & raving &
imagining that anyone had called anyone else any names including calling
anyone a child! Roll it back about 3 gears. I'm glad to see you back here
but not glad to see you over-reacting.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel: St. Patrick's Day approaching: http://tinyurl.co.uk/ux63

"Proverbs are the sanctuary of the intuitions." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
(1803-1882)

Actually read the post in question posting WHOLE sentences in capitals when
they havent bothered to read the facts as clearly stated in this thread and
making out "I" was mistaken about my own care and blood results, makes out I
am an idiot or a kid !!

I ask about how low a hba1c is a problem and someone who doesnt read further
posts right starts telling me what my results were and that I was mistaken
!!

Anyone with ONE brain cell knows a hba1c is different to a blood sugar
reading and the insinutation that was clearly stated that I didnt know the
difference was downright insulting !!

I came back here to ask a few important questions as I have been driven off
several diabetes forums and wanted a couple of answers !!
I dont know why I bothered !!



"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gbkit3pea5pr8r7h3pesorklc70nbtl2dq@4ax.com...
>
> Donna, you went off like crazy at someone who was simply trying to help
> you.
> There was nothing there to defend yourself against. Sure, you could set
> the
> record straight. But, you could have done so without ranting & raving &
> imagining that anyone had called anyone else any names including calling
> anyone a child! Roll it back about 3 gears. I'm glad to see you back here
> but not glad to see you over-reacting.
>
> --
> DonnaB shallotpeel: St. Patrick's Day approaching:
> http://tinyurl.co.uk/ux63
>
> "Proverbs are the sanctuary of the intuitions." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
> (1803-1882)

Cloudedbrains wrote:

> I came back here to ask a few important questions as I have been driven off
> several diabetes forums and wanted a couple of answers !!
> I dont know why I bothered !!

need anything else be said?

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:11:05 -0000, Cloudedbrains posted:

>Actually read the post in question posting WHOLE sentences in capitals when
>they havent bothered to read the facts as clearly stated in this thread and
>making out "I" was mistaken about my own care and blood results, makes out I
>am an idiot or a kid !!
>
>I ask about how low a hba1c is a problem and someone who doesnt read further
>posts right starts telling me what my results were and that I was mistaken
>!!
>
>Anyone with ONE brain cell knows a hba1c is different to a blood sugar
>reading and the insinutation that was clearly stated that I didnt know the
>difference was downright insulting !!
>
>I came back here to ask a few important questions as I have been driven off
>several diabetes forums and wanted a couple of answers !!
>I dont know why I bothered !!

I don't know why you bothered either. The impression I got from your
postings was that you were worried about hypos and it seemed you were
equating hypos with a low A1C. Basically, when I read the post you
complained about, I thought "Well, there's someone else who thought
the same thing I did.".

When I read your post, I thought "Well, here's someone who was just
here to await some minor misunderstanding she could use as an excuse
to fly off the handle."

Sorry, but you were way out of line, in my opinion.

--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08)

x-no-archive: yes


> When I read your post, I thought "Well, here's someone who was just
> here to await some minor misunderstanding she could use as an excuse
> to fly off the handle."
>
> Sorry, but you were way out of line, in my opinion.
>

At least she's consistent.

Susan

"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:S6idnYImmtcgFEranZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone
> else to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but on
> average I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low yoyo
> and it just worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!
>


I never once got confused between sugars and hba1c but the person to
launched at me telling me I was confused DID !!
5.1 was my latestest hba1c NOT my sugar level and I clearly state that
elsewhere here as my fasting glucose was 7.1 !!
I also asked if low and high sugars can counter balance each other out and
cause a low hba1c and at that point when is a hba1c to low !!

I wasnt the one who was confused by a hba1c and sugar levels so why should I
put up with been harasssed like that !!

I clearly stated elsewhere on this that my hba1c was 5.1 and fasting glucose
7.1, then again I can also read seems some people jump in where they want
and assume they know it all !!

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:30:53 -0000 in Msg.#
<BsmdnXl2haIuqkfanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>, "Cloudedbrains"
<donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> I clearly stated elsewhere on this that my hba1c was 5.1 and fasting glucose
> 7.1, then again I can also read seems some people jump in where they want
> and assume they know it all !!

No, no one has to 'know it all' just to watch & read here & see what
happened. But, if you cannot or will not listen to anyone, then, what do you
expect of people? This is a support newsgroup. People try to be supportive.
They don't deserve to have someone go off on them for their efforts.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel: St. Patrick's Day approaching: http://tinyurl.co.uk/ux63

"A thousand probabilities do not make one truth." - Italian Proverb

On 13 Mar, 19:11, "Cloudedbrains" <donna_william...@btopenworld.com>
wrote:
> Actually read the post in question posting WHOLE sentences in capitals when
> they havent bothered to read the facts as clearly stated in this thread and
> making out "I" was mistaken about my own care and blood results, makes out I
> am an idiot or a kid !!

No, it didnt. YOU assumed that, no one else! I had never heard of
A1c before I came here and to have it explained the way it was, helped
me immensely. I didnt regard myself as an idiot for not necessarily
having as much knowledge on a subject as someone else.
>
> I ask about how low a hba1c is a problem and someone who doesnt read further
> posts right starts telling me what my results were and that I was mistaken
> !!

Yes, it was assumed you were confused and an attempt was made to gear
you in the right direction. Whether this was a mistake on their part
didnt really warrant your fury!!
>
> Anyone with ONE brain cell knows a hba1c is different to a blood sugar
> reading

No, they dont! It's all a learning curve.

and the insinutation that was clearly stated that I didnt know the
> difference was downright insulting !!

You took it very seriously and way OTT - I saw it, as many others did,
as someone possibly making a genuine mistake in reading your post and
giving you some very helpful, kind and informative guidelines.
Nothing more, nothing less. You sound totally stressed out - are you
okay?


>
> I came back here to ask a few important questions as I have been driven off
> several diabetes forums and wanted a couple of answers !!
> I dont know why I bothered !!

It may be the way your are reacting to people that is causing others
to shun you.

If you cant see it, then you will continue to be shunned by people.

Cloudedbrains wrote:
>
> Okay does anyone know what hba1c test would be considered too low ??

HgbA1c is not information that would be used by a physician to dictate
immediate action.

As for being considered too low, this would be at the whim of your
physician(s) and would be like LDL-C, which many consider not to have
a lower limit that requires action but rather lower numbers raises
concern about something untoward happening.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:57:14 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Yes, it was assumed you were confused and an attempt was made to gear
>you in the right direction. Whether this was a mistake on their part
>didnt really warrant your fury!!

Pleeeease leave the double exclamation-marks to Donna :P And she's
done this flying-off-the-handle trick ever since she showed up, seems
to be part of her personality.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:30:53 -0000, Cloudedbrains posted:

>
>"Cloudedbrains" <donna_williamson@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:S6idnYImmtcgFEranZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
>> Thanks - so a 5.1 isnt too bad ??
>> Just I know I have bad hypo's (as I am hypo unaware it falls to someone
>> else to force me to treat them) and also at times very high sugars but on
>> average I will level out for 6 to 8 weeks then will start high/low yoyo
>> and it just worried me to as what point a hba1c is too low !!
>>
>
>
>I never once got confused between sugars and hba1c but the person to
>launched at me telling me I was confused DID !!

First, the person you speak of did not "launch" at you. He simply
thought you might be confusing the two (BG and A1C), and wanted to
help. This is, after all, a support group. If he was mistaken in his
feeling that you might have been confused, it does not change the fact
that he tried to help. There was nothing in his post that would
indicate he "launched" at you, or that he thought you stupid.

>5.1 was my latestest hba1c NOT my sugar level and I clearly state that
>elsewhere here as my fasting glucose was 7.1 !!
>I also asked if low and high sugars can counter balance each other out and
>cause a low hba1c and at that point when is a hba1c to low !!
>
>I wasnt the one who was confused by a hba1c and sugar levels so why should I
>put up with been harasssed like that !!

Well, put yourself on the other side of this. Why should Adam be
harassed for offering help? Go back and reread his response. It was
not nasty, unhelpful, or accusatory. Your response to it was totally
uncalled-for.

>I clearly stated elsewhere on this that my hba1c was 5.1 and fasting glucose
>7.1, then again I can also read seems some people jump in where they want
>and assume they know it all !!

I really don't know where this is coming from. As others have
wondered, are you going through a stressful time now?

--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08)

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForKate

Cloudedbrains wrote:
> Well look who cant keep her nose out - the one person I dont come here
> because of !!
> So somebody assumes wrongly something about someone as seems common here and
> people
> arent allowed to put them right !!
> Someone spoke to me like a 5 yr old kid and I will always defend myself
> against up themselves idiots
> as you full well know !!
>
>
>
> convicted neighbor "Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > ahhhhhhhh as usual, we get
> > Donna's true feelings about the newsgroup
> >
> > isnt she over sensitive?

On Mar 14, 8:49 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForKate

Really is pathetic when Chung has to respond to his own postings using
a different one of his emails. Either he is that psychotic that he
does not know or this is his only way to get joy in his life.

I know some get mad, but perhaps a little pity might be better for
someone who has fallen so far. Just kill-file him if you object or a
quick delete solves the problem.

Chung keeps posting about praying for someone, well those who do pray,
might want to consider praying that Chung seeks the help he really
needs and that he can find some real joy in his life outside of just
posting on the internet.

Back to ignoring Chung's postings. At first they were amusing, but
even the most amusing thing becomes boring and dull when repetitive.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Beatensatan

On Mar 14, 9:08 am, mortonmull...

> Really is pathetic when Chung has to respond to his own postings
using
> a different one of his emails. Either he is that psychotic that he
> does not know or this is his only way to get joy in his life.

We should be thankful that someone as psychotic as Chung and someone
like Chung who takes such perverse pleasure out of being a troll, does
not actually see patients - wonder what perverse pleasure he would
take in dealing with real patients.

So Chung keep posting and responding here in Internet-land as you
usually do which is much safer for everyone than you being in the real
world.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

.... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

.... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

.... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http//TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren

On 14 Mar, 13:33, Nicky <ukc802466...@btconnect.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:57:14 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
>
> <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >Yes, it was assumed you were confused and an attempt was made to gear
> >you in the right direction. *Whether this was a mistake on their part
> >didnt really warrant your fury!!
>
> Pleeeease leave the double exclamation-marks to Donna :P *And she's
> done this flying-off-the-handle trick ever since she showed up, seems
> to be part of her personality.
>

I was trying to be discreet with the double exclamations - I like to
use 3 or more normally!!! LOL

And yeah, I figured on the "personality" thingie! <-- look, only one,
that time )

Time much better for mankind when Chung spends time here rather than
seeing patients where he can do real harm.

On Mar 14, 10:37 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
>
> <><
>
> May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
> 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
> Man ...
>
> ... by being hungrier:
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
>
> Hunger is wonderful:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
>
> It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
>
> Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
> paid for with their and our immortal lives.
>
> Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
> of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
> forever ...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
>
>