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Old 10-24-2007, 01:31 AM
Susan
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Here's on doctor's prophecy:


Endangered: diagnosing rare diseases under managed care

http://www.acponline.org/journals/ne...96/raredis.htm

From the September 1996 ACP Observer, copyright © 1996 by the American
College of Physicians.

By Joshua R. Shua-Haim, FACP, and Joel S. Gross, FACP

Under managed care, physicians face increasingly difficult ethical
dilemmas regarding patient care. Managed care often forces physicians to
reconsider how to deliver health care in order to satisfy their masters
(HMO administrators). This strategy is not always in the best interest
of the patient.

Capitation, for example, encourages physicians to reduce hospitalization
rates and use of specialists. Physicians can easily profit under
capitation if they change their practice habits. HMOs encourage this new
breed of managed care physician to practice "profitable" medicine, since
both will financially benefit from it.

We anticipate that as a result of managed care, rare diseases will
become even rarer, to the point that their diagnosis will virtually
disappear. How is this possible? One of the many challenges facing the
internist is the diagnosis of disorders that may require a great deal of
physician time, testing, consultations and further investigations. Rare
diseases fit into this category because they are costly to diagnose and
require very specialized treatments.

Recently we cared for a 67-year-old man who suffered long-standing,
poorly controlled hypertension. He had been seen by several primary care
physicians, but none spent the necessary time to consider the rare
causes of hypertension. He was compliant with medications, but still his
blood pressure remained elevated. After an extensive history and
physical examination, we decided to test for a rare but curable form of
hypertension, a pheochromoctyoma.

This diagnosis was established and the benign tumor of the adrenal gland
was successfully removed. The patient's blood pressure is now within
normal limits. The total cost for all testing, consultations, physician
fees and hospital charges was more than $50,000.

Would such a rare condition be caught in a managed care environment? And
even if such a condition was diagnosed, would a managed care company
feel the costs for the surgery were justified? To control costs, managed
care organizations often discourage referrals to specialists and for
hospitalizations. Thus the complicated and challenging elderly patient
may not get the necessary services and consultants to be correctly
diagnosed and treated.

One important way to determine the prevalence of rare conditions is to
perform autopsies on patients. This procedure determines beyond any
reasonable doubt whether certain illnesses have been misdiagnosed,
underdiagnosed or improperly treated. HMOs we contacted did not disclose
the percent of autopsies being performed in managed care settings. We
feel that implies that the managed care companies do not wish to see if
they are "burying their mistakes" or do not want to know if rare
diseases were missed.

We feel that declining autopsy rates combined with limited availability
of specialists in managed care may very well make the detection of rare
diseases extinct in the near future. Managed care companies will not
eradicate these conditions but will deter physicians from providing the
time and access to specialists needed to discover them. We agree with
the five proposals ACP outlined in the Feb. 15 issue of Annals of
Internal Medicine regarding reformation of managed care. Additionally,
we suggest HCFA might consider the following:

* 1. HMOs and their administrators should not be allowed to dictate
guidelines on how to practice medicine. This should be reserved for
medical schools, universities and residency training programs.

* 2. HMOs should not be permitted to dismiss physicians based solely on
economic practice patterns but must also consider quality of care and
cost-effectiveness.

* 3. If a subspecialist wishes to practice primary care, HMOs should not
be able to decline that service solely because of that physician's
subspecialty training.

* 4. HMOs should be regulated in a manner that allows participating
physicians to practice as they were trained. If there is catastrophic
illness, rare disease, or if an expensive work-up or treatment is
needed, physicians should be able to practice to the patient's benefit
rather than to the organization's financial advantage.

Joshua R. Shua-Haim, FACP, and Joel S. Gross, FACP, are
internist/geriatricians at MedWise Center, affiliated with Jersey Shore
Medical Center and Medical Center of Ocean County, N.J.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:32 PM
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Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Here's on doctor's prophecy:
>

<snip>

physicians carping

the fact is that MCO' statistically have better outco9mes than Indemnity
plans. Not perfect, but the concept works for diabetics, and all of us
with normal diseases.
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:30 AM
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ted rosenberg <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:
> Susan wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Here's on doctor's prophecy:


> physicians carping


> the fact is that MCO' statistically have better outco9mes than Indemnity
> plans. Not perfect, but the concept works for diabetics, and all of us
> with normal diseases.


Of course it does, because that's exactly what it is designed to
do. The problem identified in the article is that if you happen not to
be an average person or have an average disease etc.. you can slip
through the statistical cracks into diagnostic and mistreatment hell,
and because you're one in a thousand a statistically managed system
doesn't give a damn.

A further difficulty is that it creates a mind set in physicians, who,
like all human beings, are very bad at handling small probabilities
rationally. Hence it took seven months to diagnose me with a serious
illness usually assocated with old ladies because I wasn't an old
lady. It took me many years to get proper diagnoses of a number of
other conditions usually associated with fat people because I wasn't
fat. And I'm sure all of us past a certain age have experienced
doctors dismissing the clear indicative symptoms of a serious
treatable condition because "you're getting old".

Sherlock Holmes, modelled after a real life very skilled medical
diagnostician, liked to point out to his astonished admirers that
deduction trumps probability. We're now raising a generation of
physicians who are being taught that efficient management of medical
resources means that statistics must trump even their own feeble
powers of deduction because it's a waste of their valuable time even
to think about the statistically improbable.

Conan Doyle must be spinning in his grave :-)

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Old 10-26-2007, 03:32 AM
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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> ted rosenberg <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:
>
>> Susan wrote:
>>
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> Here's on doctor's prophecy:
>>>

>
>
>> physicians carping
>>

>
>
>> the fact is that MCO' statistically have better outco9mes than Indemnity
>> plans. Not perfect, but the concept works for diabetics, and all of us
>> with normal diseases.
>>

>
> Of course it does, because that's exactly what it is designed to
> do. The problem identified in the article is that if you happen not to
> be an average person or have an average disease etc.. you can slip
> through the statistical cracks into diagnostic and mistreatment hell,
> and because you're one in a thousand a statistically managed system
> doesn't give a damn.
>
> A further difficulty is that it creates a mind set in physicians, who,
> like all human beings, are very bad at handling small probabilities
> rationally. Hence it took seven months to diagnose me with a serious
> illness usually assocated with old ladies because I wasn't an old
> lady. It took me many years to get proper diagnoses of a number of
> other conditions usually associated with fat people because I wasn't
> fat. And I'm sure all of us past a certain age have experienced
> doctors dismissing the clear indicative symptoms of a serious
> treatable condition because "you're getting old".
>
> Sherlock Holmes, modelled after a real life very skilled medical
> diagnostician, liked to point out to his astonished admirers that
> deduction trumps probability. We're now raising a generation of
> physicians who are being taught that efficient management of medical
> resources means that statistics must trump even their own feeble
> powers of deduction because it's a waste of their valuable time even
> to think about the statistically improbable.
>
> Conan Doyle must be spinning in his grave :-)
>
>

Yes Chris - you are right on. The other side of the coin is that the
doctor who runs a zillion tests on everyone, and is always searching for
the unlikely result doesn't properly treat thousands of patients.

There was a discussion on NPR a few days ago where they were talking
about over treating and under diagnosing.
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The classic example is a patient gos to the doctor with classic signs of
appendicitis, The doctor orders a CAT SCAN - The cat scan comes back
negative, so the doctor ignores ALL the symptoms and sends the patient
home with a treatment for a stomach virus. The next day or so, the
patient is back with a burst appendix and peritonitis. This is a VERY
common situation, The fancy tests often miss some things - they DO find
other things, but this case is repeated in the US THOUSANDS of times
every year,
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