The wonders of fructose per Ray Peat

[None Given]

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml

He certainly manages make me to feel like a conformist.

Steady as she goes; I'll do what I do............Trig

[Trawley Trash]

On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
None Given <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml
>
> He certainly manages make me to feel like a conformist.
>
> Steady as she goes; I'll do what I do............Trig

A long survey paper making sweeping conclusions from
inadequately controlled studies. He opens by telling
us that the urine of diabetics is sweet, then a few
paragraphs later he tells us that the sugar in urine
is glucose. However glucose does not taste sweet.

So I find myself skeptically reading a long paper full
of bland assertions "proven" by studies that entirely
disregard genetic polymorphism. Really, you cannot
do controlled studies on humans. These dietary studies
prove nothing, and that is why there are so many contradictory
interpretations of them.

Toward the end of this long paper that could best be described
as a "snow job", the agenda becomes clear. Sugar is a panacea:

! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
! conditions.

Well fructose makes me feel ill, honey makes me feel ill, and
the symptoms are much like alcohol: sleepiness followed by a
hangover. I don't care how many published studies say
otherwise. They do not agree with what I see around me,
and so I choose to disregard them.

[=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= Steensrud]

Trawley Trash wrote:

>
> Toward the end of this long paper that could best be described
> as a "snow job", the agenda becomes clear. Sugar is a panacea:
>
> ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
> ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
> ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
> ! conditions.

I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now

[None Given]

On Monday, July 9, 2012 4:54:50 AM UTC-7, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
> Trawley Trash wrote:
>
> >
> > Toward the end of this long paper that could best be described
> > as a "snow job", the agenda becomes clear. Sugar is a panacea:
> >
> > ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
> > ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
> > ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
> > ! conditions.
>
> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
> abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now

I believe that honey contains an antiseptic and as I recall
it is the reason that mead an honey wine is said to cause amazingly
bad hangovers. I was also too tired or lazy to check my facts.

Thanks to Trawley for his or her take on the topic. Peat needs to
be taken with some salt, IMO.

blinded by the snow, blinded by sun reflected from the snow.......Trig

[Julie Bove]

"Bjørn Steensrud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Trawley Trash wrote:
>
>>
>> Toward the end of this long paper that could best be described
>> as a "snow job", the agenda becomes clear. Sugar is a panacea:
>>
>> ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
>> ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
>> ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
>> ! conditions.
>
> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
> abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now

Only if it's Makuna honey.

[W. Baker]

None Given <[email protected]> wrote:
: On Monday, July 9, 2012 4:54:50 AM UTC-7, Bj?rn Steensrud wrote:
: > Trawley Trash wrote:
: >
: > >
: > > Toward the end of this long paper that could best be described
: > > as a "snow job", the agenda becomes clear. Sugar is a panacea:
: > >
: > > ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
: > > ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
: > > ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
: > > ! conditions.
: >
: > I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
: > abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now

: I believe that honey contains an antiseptic and as I recall
: it is the reason that mead an honey wine is said to cause amazingly
: bad hangovers. I was also too tired or lazy to check my facts.

: Thanks to Trawley for his or her take on the topic. Peat needs to
: be taken with some salt, IMO.

: blinded by the snow, blinded by sun reflected from the snow.......Trig

Honey lasts about forever without going bad. that should say something
about anticeptic proclivities:-)

Wendy

[=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= Steensrud]

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "Bj�rn Steensrud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> Trawley Trash wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Toward the end of this long paper that could best be described
>>> as a "snow job", the agenda becomes clear. Sugar is a panacea:
>>>
>>> ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
>>> ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
>>> ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
>>> ! conditions.
>>
>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
>> abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now
>
> Only if it's Makuna honey.

No - Makuna is best against Staph. aureus, other honeys work better against
other pathogens. I did google after all :-)

http://www.painease.com/Honey_Antiseptic_properties.htm

I hope the sugar isn't absorbed through the skin and raises bg :-(

[Peppermint Patootie]

In article <[email protected]>,
Trawley Trash <[email protected]> wrote:

> A long survey paper making sweeping conclusions from
> inadequately controlled studies. He opens by telling
> us that the urine of diabetics is sweet, then a few
> paragraphs later he tells us that the sugar in urine
> is glucose. However glucose does not taste sweet.

Since when does glucose not taste sweet?

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Het is zò dat Peppermint Patootie formuleerde :
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Trawley Trash <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A long survey paper making sweeping conclusions from
>> inadequately controlled studies. He opens by telling
>> us that the urine of diabetics is sweet, then a few
>> paragraphs later he tells us that the sugar in urine
>> is glucose. However glucose does not taste sweet.
>
> Since when does glucose not taste sweet?
>
> PP

Since it is not "contaminated" with citric acid.
My dextro's taste sweet. Seems citric acid does the trick.
Not that I knew, I read it from eh..Trawley..?
M.

[Chris Malcolm]

Peppermint Patootie <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Trawley Trash <[email protected]> wrote:

>> A long survey paper making sweeping conclusions from
>> inadequately controlled studies. He opens by telling
>> us that the urine of diabetics is sweet, then a few
>> paragraphs later he tells us that the sugar in urine
>> is glucose. However glucose does not taste sweet.

> Since when does glucose not taste sweet?

When peripheral neuropathy reaches the tongue? :-)

--
Chris Malcolm

[Trawley Trash]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:04:05 -0400
Peppermint Patootie <[email protected]> wrote:

> Since when does glucose not taste sweet?

It doesn't taste sweet to me, and references
I posted previously say it is not very
sweet. Glucose tablets for diabetics taste
sweet, but they also contain citric acid.
If I combine glucose powder with citric
acid powder, I get that same icky sweet
flavor. There must be some kind of chemical
reaction that converts some of the glucose
to another sugar.

Have you tried tasting pure granulated
glucose/dextrose?

Fructose is sweet.

[Trawley Trash]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:54:50 +0200
Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:

> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing
> infections in abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now

Why would anyone use honey over soap and water and/or hydrogen
peroxide?

[Julie Bove]

"Trawley Trash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:54:50 +0200
> Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing
>> infections in abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now
>
> Why would anyone use honey over soap and water and/or hydrogen
> peroxide?

Hydrogen peroxide has been discouraged for years, I think. Doesn't it have
the ability to cause infection? And what's wrong with Neosporin? That's
what I use.

[=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= Steensrud]

Trawley Trash wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:54:50 +0200
> Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing
>> infections in abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now
>
> Why would anyone use honey over soap and water and/or hydrogen
> peroxide?

H2O2 might not be available. Soap and water first, rinse well, apply honey.
Some time later, perhaps right away, apply some covering. Simple.

[Trawley Trash]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:57:42 -0700
"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hydrogen peroxide has been discouraged for years, I think. Doesn't
> it have the ability to cause infection? And what's wrong with
> Neosporin? That's what I use.

H2O2 isn't really a disinfectant. It releases oxygen in the wound,
and that helps kill off half dead cells and revive the live ones.
It does help prevent anaerobic infections, and those are the most
serious kind.

I have never found neosporin to do any good at all. Antibiotics
are overhyped IMO. In severe cases
I use providone, but for small wounds it is overkill.

I don't worry much about infection. My immune system is plenty
strong: that is why I have allergies. I don't even bother with
H2O2 unless the wound feels like it is getting infected. It
always seems to do the job.
:

[Trawley Trash]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:44:12 +0200
Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:

> H2O2 might not be available. Soap and water first, rinse well, apply
> honey. Some time later, perhaps right away, apply some covering.
> Simple.

H2O2 is available in every drug store and supermarket here. Usually
a small bottle is less than a dollar. Honey is harder to find,
and the cheap stuff isn't really honey. Certainly I would never
have any in my cupboard. That is 3% H2O2 BTW. It might be stronger
in your country, so watch out for that.

Putting something sticky like that on my skin bothers me. I don't
like the feeling. I don't know where you could go today where
H2O2 is not available.

[BessieBee]

On 7/9/2012 2:57 PM, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bj�rn Steensrud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>> Trawley Trash wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Toward the end of this long paper that could best be described
>>>> as a "snow job", the agenda becomes clear. Sugar is a panacea:
>>>>
>>>> ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
>>>> ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
>>>> ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
>>>> ! conditions.
>>>
>>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
>>> abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now
>>
>> Only if it's Makuna honey.
>
> No - Makuna is best against Staph. aureus, other honeys work better against
> other pathogens. I did google after all :-)

A local wound care center here in central Missouri uses honey on some
wounds. A friend & neighbor has a puncture wound on her shin and honey
has promoted healing.

--
BessieBee

"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know."
-Samuel Clemens

[BessieBee]

On 7/10/2012 12:18 AM, Trawley Trash wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:54:50 +0200
> Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing
>> infections in abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now
>
> Why would anyone use honey over soap and water and/or hydrogen
> peroxide?
>
Why not use what Mother Nature provides when it's been proved to work
and work well on wounds?

--
BessieBee

"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know."
-Samuel Clemens

[Wes Groleau]

On 07-09-2012 07:54, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
> Trawley Trash wrote:
>> ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
>> ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
>> ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
>> ! conditions.
>
> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
> abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now

It is sometimes used for very serious infections. Some of the
antibacterial properties are from the concentration of sugar,
but apparently more of it is from certain enzymes.

So (1) the source of the honey makes a difference, and (2) pasteurizing,
which is done to most honey sold for food , alters the enzymes so that
much of the benefit is gone.

--
Wes Groleau

“Ideas are more powerful than guns,
We would not let our enemies have guns;
why should we let them have ideas?�
— Jozef Stalin

[Chris Malcolm]

Trawley Trash <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:54:50 +0200
> Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing
>> infections in abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now

> Why would anyone use honey over soap and water and/or hydrogen
> peroxide?

Not equivalents. Hydrogen peroxide kills pathogens, hastens scab
formation, and slows healing. Soap & water cleans and slightly
disinfects. Honey kills pathogens and promotes healing.

--
Chris Malcolm

[Chris Malcolm]

Trawley Trash <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:04:05 -0400
> Peppermint Patootie <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Since when does glucose not taste sweet?

> It doesn't taste sweet to me, and references
> I posted previously say it is not very
> sweet.

"Not very sweet" agrees with how it tastes to me -- sweet, but less
sweet than sugar. I note too that like everything else it tastes a lot
sweeter to me now than it used to. In my pre-diabetic days I used a
lot of sugar, and clearly had become desensitised to sweet
tastes. After stopping using sugar my sensitivity to sweetness went up
a lot. I can now taste sweetness in many things I never previously
thought were sweet at all.

--
Chris Malcolm

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Chris Malcolm plaatste dit op zijn scherm :
> Trawley Trash <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:04:05 -0400
>> Peppermint Patootie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Since when does glucose not taste sweet?
>
>> It doesn't taste sweet to me, and references
>> I posted previously say it is not very
>> sweet.
>
> "Not very sweet" agrees with how it tastes to me -- sweet, but less
> sweet than sugar. I note too that like everything else it tastes a lot
> sweeter to me now than it used to. In my pre-diabetic days I used a
> lot of sugar, and clearly had become desensitised to sweet
> tastes. After stopping using sugar my sensitivity to sweetness went up
> a lot. I can now taste sweetness in many things I never previously
> thought were sweet at all.

I dont take any sweet(ening) in my tea anymore, it tastes much better
to me.
Still, I do make mistakes in thinking (tasting?) if sth is sweet or
not.
As on my birthday I took 2 large ice-'creams': they didnt taste sweet
at all, but more sour. Yoghurt-ice with red currents does taste a bit
sourish to me.
So I went on eating the second yoghurt-ice. It was yummy and not sweet,
so what?
After eating these I felt that my hands were sticky.. 'Yikes' I
thought, 'there certainly _was_ sugar in there'.
Later my bg-meter told the same..
M.

[Trawley Trash]

On 11 Jul 2012 09:17:46 GMT
Chris Malcolm <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not equivalents. Hydrogen peroxide kills pathogens, hastens scab
> formation, and slows healing. Soap & water cleans and slightly
> disinfects. Honey kills pathogens and promotes healing.

It attracts insects. It causes allergic reactions. I sometimes use
vitamin E after scab formation to promote healing.

[Peppermint Patootie]

In article <jtip9e$4of$[email protected]>,
Wes Groleau <[email protected]> wrote:

> So (1) the source of the honey makes a difference, and (2) pasteurizing,
> which is done to most honey sold for food , alters the enzymes so that
> much of the benefit is gone.

I keep a jar of raw honey in my cupboard. On those few occasions when I
put honey on something, I like the flavor of the raw honey and the fact
that it's as nature (by way of the bees) made it, bits of bug and all.

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

[Karen]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:57:42 -0700, in alt.support.diabetes, "Julie
Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Trawley Trash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]..
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:54:50 +0200
>> Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing
>>> infections in abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now
>>
>> Why would anyone use honey over soap and water and/or hydrogen
>> peroxide?
>
>Hydrogen peroxide has been discouraged for years, I think. Doesn't it have
>the ability to cause infection? And what's wrong with Neosporin? That's
>what I use.
>

I personally cannot use neosporin or anything with neomycin in it.
I'm allergic to it.
--
Karen

[Karen]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:43:57 -0400, in alt.support.diabetes, Wes
Groleau <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 07-09-2012 07:54, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
>> Trawley Trash wrote:
>>> ! Honey has been used therapeutically for thousands of years, and
>>> ! recently there has been some research documenting a variety of uses,
>>> ! including treatment of ulcers and colitis, and other inflammatory
>>> ! conditions.
>>
>> I hear that honey applied externally is good for preventing infections in
>> abrasions/scrapes. Too lazy to google it right now
>
>It is sometimes used for very serious infections. Some of the
>antibacterial properties are from the concentration of sugar,
>but apparently more of it is from certain enzymes.

Some bacteria feed on sugars.

>So (1) the source of the honey makes a difference, and (2) pasteurizing,
>which is done to most honey sold for food , alters the enzymes so that
>much of the benefit is gone.

Being allergic to neosporin, my dermatologist recommends Aquaphor.
Basically wash the wound, then use something to keep it moist-Aquaphor
or petroleum jelly, and a bandage, which I don't use the bandage due
to being allergic to the adhesive. You don't need antibiotic cream
unless it is already infected.
--
Karen

[Chris Malcolm]

Karen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Being allergic to neosporin, my dermatologist recommends Aquaphor.
> Basically wash the wound, then use something to keep it moist-Aquaphor
> or petroleum jelly, and a bandage, which I don't use the bandage due
> to being allergic to the adhesive.

My medicine drawer has three kinds of adhesives on the bandages in
it. There is the old zinc based adhesive on fabric bandages, a less
sticky more filmy adhesive on the plastic bandages, and something else
on the magic M micropore tape.

Note that if you use aloe vera or vit E creams these can dissolve
chemicals from the adhesive and then transport them across the skin
barrier into your body. That can cause nasty rashes, and can lead to
adhesive allergies.

> You don't need antibiotic cream
> unless it is already infected.

Even if it's infected you don't need an antibiotic cream unless your
body can't handle the infection on its own. Antibiotics should be used
as sparingly as possible. Always using tem "just in case" is one of
the factors which leading to the development and proliferation of
antibiotic resistant bacteria, now becoming a serious problem.

Whenever I'm prescribed an antibiotic I ask what would happen if I
didn't take it. If the answer is that I might possibly take a few more
days to recover from the infection, that sounds like good practice for
my immune system rather than a problem to be avoided.

--
Chris Malcolm

[Robert Miles]

On 7/10/2012 10:29 AM, Trawley Trash wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:44:12 +0200
> Bjørn Steensrud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> H2O2 might not be available. Soap and water first, rinse well, apply
>> honey. Some time later, perhaps right away, apply some covering.
>> Simple.
>
> H2O2 is available in every drug store and supermarket here. Usually
> a small bottle is less than a dollar. Honey is harder to find,
> and the cheap stuff isn't really honey. Certainly I would never
> have any in my cupboard. That is 3% H2O2 BTW. It might be stronger
> in your country, so watch out for that.
>
> Putting something sticky like that on my skin bothers me. I don't
> like the feeling. I don't know where you could go today where
> H2O2 is not available.

Not everyone has transportation to go to a store, or a suitable
store within the distance they can walk.

[Trawley Trash]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:19:17 -0500
Robert Miles <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> H2O2 might not be available. Soap and water first, rinse well,
> >> apply honey. Some time later, perhaps right away, apply some
> >> covering. Simple.
> >
> > H2O2 is available in every drug store and supermarket here.
> > Usually a small bottle is less than a dollar. Honey is harder to
> > find, and the cheap stuff isn't really honey. Certainly I would
> > never have any in my cupboard. That is 3% H2O2 BTW. It might be
> > stronger in your country, so watch out for that.
> >
> > Putting something sticky like that on my skin bothers me. I
> > don't like the feeling. I don't know where you could go today where
> > H2O2 is not available.
>
> Not everyone has transportation to go to a store, or a suitable
> store within the distance they can walk.

Come on. H2O2 is more readily available that the real natural honey
that would be required for this kind of treatment. And the stuff
about honey being an antibiotic is wrong. Any concentrated sugar
syrup does not spoil. Other nutrients and more water are necessary
to support life.

[outsider]

On 8/9/2012 9:26 AM, Trawley Trash wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:19:17 -0500
> Robert Miles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> H2O2 might not be available. Soap and water first, rinse well,
>>>> apply honey. Some time later, perhaps right away, apply some
>>>> covering. Simple.
>>>
>>> H2O2 is available in every drug store and supermarket here.
>>> Usually a small bottle is less than a dollar. Honey is harder to
>>> find, and the cheap stuff isn't really honey. Certainly I would
>>> never have any in my cupboard. That is 3% H2O2 BTW. It might be
>>> stronger in your country, so watch out for that.
>>>
>>> Putting something sticky like that on my skin bothers me. I
>>> don't like the feeling. I don't know where you could go today where
>>> H2O2 is not available.
>>
>> Not everyone has transportation to go to a store, or a suitable
>> store within the distance they can walk.
>
> Come on. H2O2 is more readily available that the real natural honey
> that would be required for this kind of treatment. And the stuff
> about honey being an antibiotic is wrong. Any concentrated sugar
> syrup does not spoil. Other nutrients and more water are necessary
> to support life.

And, as it turns out, H2O2 is the preservative in honey. It isn't an
"antibiotic" but rather an antibacterial.

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17569289>

[Chris Hogg]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:55:34 -0500, outsider
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>And, as it turns out, H2O2 is the preservative in honey. It isn't an
>"antibiotic" but rather an antibacterial.
>
><http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17569289>

I was more than a little skeptical when I read that, but here's
another reference.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9505176

and Googling for ' honey "hydrogen peroxide" ' throws up a whole lot
more, so it's probably true!

You live and learn!

--

Chris

T2 DX'd 2002, D&E, HbA1c 5.9, BMI 21
Lipids:Tot 5.2 HDL 1.6 LDL 3.2 Tri 0.8

[Trawley Trash]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:55:34 -0500
outsider <[email protected]> wrote:

> And, as it turns out, H2O2 is the preservative in honey. It isn't an
> "antibiotic" but rather an antibacterial.

Any syrup is preserved. Maple syrup and corn syrup as well as honey.
Add enough sugar to fruit and you make "preserves".

[Wes Groleau]

On 08-09-2012 10:26, Trawley Trash wrote:
> that would be required for this kind of treatment. And the stuff
> about honey being an antibiotic is wrong. Any concentrated sugar

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...biotic&num=100

--
Wes Groleau

Nutrition for Blokes: Re-engineering your diet for life
http://www.phlaunt.com/quentin

[Robert Miles]

On 8/9/2012 9:26 AM, Trawley Trash wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:19:17 -0500
> Robert Miles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> H2O2 might not be available. Soap and water first, rinse well,
>>>> apply honey. Some time later, perhaps right away, apply some
>>>> covering. Simple.
>>>
>>> H2O2 is available in every drug store and supermarket here.
>>> Usually a small bottle is less than a dollar. Honey is harder to
>>> find, and the cheap stuff isn't really honey. Certainly I would
>>> never have any in my cupboard. That is 3% H2O2 BTW. It might be
>>> stronger in your country, so watch out for that.
>>>
>>> Putting something sticky like that on my skin bothers me. I
>>> don't like the feeling. I don't know where you could go today where
>>> H2O2 is not available.
>>
>> Not everyone has transportation to go to a store, or a suitable
>> store within the distance they can walk.
>
> Come on. H2O2 is more readily available that the real natural honey
> that would be required for this kind of treatment. And the stuff
> about honey being an antibiotic is wrong. Any concentrated sugar
> syrup does not spoil. Other nutrients and more water are necessary
> to support life.

I don't have transportation to go get natural honey, or a store
offering it within the distance I can walk (about 1 block) either.

I sold my car after I was no longer able to drive it.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Robert Miles formuleerde de vraag :
> On 8/9/2012 9:26 AM, Trawley Trash wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:19:17 -0500
>> Robert Miles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> H2O2 might not be available. Soap and water first, rinse well,
>>>>> apply honey. Some time later, perhaps right away, apply some
>>>>> covering. Simple.
>>>>
>>>> H2O2 is available in every drug store and supermarket here.
>>>> Usually a small bottle is less than a dollar. Honey is harder to
>>>> find, and the cheap stuff isn't really honey. Certainly I would
>>>> never have any in my cupboard. That is 3% H2O2 BTW. It might be
>>>> stronger in your country, so watch out for that.
>>>>
>>>> Putting something sticky like that on my skin bothers me. I
>>>> don't like the feeling. I don't know where you could go today where
>>>> H2O2 is not available.
>>>
>>> Not everyone has transportation to go to a store, or a suitable
>>> store within the distance they can walk.
>>
>> Come on. H2O2 is more readily available that the real natural honey
>> that would be required for this kind of treatment. And the stuff
>> about honey being an antibiotic is wrong. Any concentrated sugar
>> syrup does not spoil. Other nutrients and more water are necessary
>> to support life.
>
> I don't have transportation to go get natural honey, or a store
> offering it within the distance I can walk (about 1 block) either.
>
> I sold my car after I was no longer able to drive it.

Keeping bees is becoming a hype now here (Holland).
But then, I suppose these hoards of honey bees wont come flying in by
themselves..
M.