At work - BG is 59

Hi,
I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
Bug!
Cindy

CindyB wrote:
> Hi,
> I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> Bug!
> Cindy
normal is 70-110

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

On May 20, 10:57 pm, Tiger_Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> CindyB wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> > and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > Bug!
> > Cindy
>
> normal is 70-110
>
> --
> kate
> type 1 since 1987www.diabetic-talk.orghttp://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html

Any thing below 65 is termed as low blood sugar or hypoglycemia.
Untreated hypoglycemia can lead to several complications.
To know more about hypoglycemia visit
http://www.reddiabetes.com/Hypoglycemia.html

Hi Cindy,

My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
butter--hence the hypo. If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike in
the range of 80-100 points. Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body finally
figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of it.

You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5


"CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
> I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> Bug!
> Cindy

On May 20, 11:38*am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
> Hi Cindy,
>
> My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
> butter--hence the hypo. *If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike in
> the range of 80-100 points. *Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body finally
> figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of it.
>
> You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
> --
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise
> BMI 21.5
>
> "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > fuzzy brain. *I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. *It is 10:15 am
> > and my BG is 59. *I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. *I
> > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > Bug!
> > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!

x-no-archive: yes

CindyB wrote:
> Hi,
> I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> Bug!
> Cindy

Because you had toast for breakfast, most likely.

Next time try PB without toast.

Or eggs, or cheese, or meat, or cottage cheese...

Susan

In article
<346ed26e-41ff-486e-bb66-7a9921eb415a@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
CindyB <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 11:38*am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
> > Hi Cindy,
> >
> > My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
> > butter--hence the hypo. *If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike in
> > the range of 80-100 points. *Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body finally
> > figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of it.
> >
> > You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Michelle C., T2
> > diet & exercise
> > BMI 21.5
> >
> > "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > > fuzzy brain. *I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. *It is 10:15 am
> > > and my BG is 59. *I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. *I
> > > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > > Bug!
> > > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
> I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
> in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!

Why do you expect different results by putting the carbs into another
form? Why eat the carbs at all? Have eggs, cheese, meat... just not
starches.

Priscilla, T2

"CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:346ed26e-41ff-486e-bb66-7a9921eb415a@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On May 20, 11:38 am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
> Hi Cindy,
>
> My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
> butter--hence the hypo. If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike in
> the range of 80-100 points. Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body
> finally
> figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of it.
>
> You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
> --
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise
> BMI 21.5
>
> "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> > and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > Bug!
> > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!

Cindy,

Yep, reactive hypoglycemia is the gift that keeps on giving--you feel crappy
even after your BG is back in normal territory. You do realize that being
in the 150's + is higher than you want to be, don't you?

Be sure to use a "low carb" tortilla. Just substituting a regular tortilla
won't help the problem.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-67E9F6.17352320052008@individual.net...
> In article
> <346ed26e-41ff-486e-bb66-7a9921eb415a@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> CindyB <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 20, 11:38 am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Cindy,
>> >
>> > My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
>> > butter--hence the hypo. If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike
>> > in
>> > the range of 80-100 points. Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body
>> > finally
>> > figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of
>> > it.
>> >
>> > You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Michelle C., T2
>> > diet & exercise
>> > BMI 21.5
>> >
>> > "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
>> > > fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
>> > > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
>> > > and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
>> > > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
>> > > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
>> > > Bug!
>> > > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
>> I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
>> in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!
>
> Why do you expect different results by putting the carbs into another
> form? Why eat the carbs at all? Have eggs, cheese, meat... just not
> starches.
>
> Priscilla, T2

I suggested a "low carb" tortilla--not just a tortilla. The low carb fajita
size tortillas have about 5 carbs. I hope Cindy noted the emphasis on "low
carb". Was trying to suggest an easy substitute for her.

(Sorry--I confused the thread. I top-posted the first time--still getting
used to my new newsreader set-up.)
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

On May 20, 2:52*pm, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
> "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:346ed26e-41ff-486e-bb66-7a9921eb415a@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 20, 11:38 am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Cindy,
>
> > My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
> > butter--hence the hypo. If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike in
> > the range of 80-100 points. Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body
> > finally
> > figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of it.
>
> > You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Michelle C., T2
> > diet & exercise
> > BMI 21.5
>
> > "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Hi,
> > > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > > fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> > > and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> > > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > > Bug!
> > > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It was weird and out of the blue. *I will try the tortilla next time.
> I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. *Usually I am
> in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!
>
> Cindy,
>
> Yep, reactive hypoglycemia is the gift that keeps on giving--you feel crappy
> even after your BG is back in normal territory. *You do realize that being
> in the 150's + is higher than you want to be, don't you?
>
> Be sure to use a "low carb" tortilla. *Just substituting a regular tortilla
> won't help the problem.
> --
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise
> BMI 21.5- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi,
I still feel awful and left work early as I just couldn't function. I
came home and slept as I was so tired. I feel hung over. I am sure I
will feel better tomorrow. Usually I can eat wheat toast with peanut
butter and it isn't a problem...after today, though, I won't do that
again. I will look for the low carb tortillas next time I hit the
store. Tomorrow I am having eggs. I know 150 is high, but at
least I don't feel so dragged down at 150. This threw me off big time
today. When I was at work, it felt like an elevator went down the
inside of me and then wiped out all my energy. I have never had that
happen. Man, before I just worried about it being too high, now I have
to worry about it being too low. grrrr. But, I will start again
tomorrow and hope it turns out better than today.

On May 20, 11:27*am, tehminasmaz...@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 20, 10:57 pm, Tiger_Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > CindyB wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > > fuzzy brain. *I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. *It is 10:15 am
> > > and my BG is 59. *I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. *I
> > > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > > Bug!
> > > Cindy
>
> > normal is 70-110
>
> > --
> > kate
> > type 1 since 1987www.diabetic-talk.orghttp://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagn...
>
> Any thing below 65 is termed as low blood sugar or hypoglycemia.
> Untreated hypoglycemia can lead to several complications.
> To know more about hypoglycemia visithttp://www.reddiabetes.com/Hypoglycemia.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the link. It was pretty interesting and definitely
sounds like what happened today.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT), CindyB
<ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:

>It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
>I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
>in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!

And, from your earlier post:

>I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
>fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
>back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
>and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
>had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
>wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
>Bug!

Cindy, in my opinion you spiked very high after that
breakfast and then went reactively low on the overswing.

Further, the bag of peanuts is pretty useless to correct a
low; if it happens again eat or drink something carby - a
glass of fruit juice, or a slice of bread, a piece of fruit,
some smarties - but peanuts were a waste of time.

"Usually I am in the 150's +" is not good at all.

Please read this link:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...ew-adjust.html


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

"CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 20, 2:52 pm, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
> "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:346ed26e-41ff-486e-bb66-7a9921eb415a@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 20, 11:38 am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Cindy,
>
> > My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
> > butter--hence the hypo. If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike
> > in
> > the range of 80-100 points. Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body
> > finally
> > figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of
> > it.
>
> > You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Michelle C., T2
> > diet & exercise
> > BMI 21.5
>
> > "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Hi,
> > > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > > fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> > > and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> > > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > > Bug!
> > > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
> I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
> in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!
>
> Cindy,
>
> Yep, reactive hypoglycemia is the gift that keeps on giving--you feel
> crappy
> even after your BG is back in normal territory. You do realize that being
> in the 150's + is higher than you want to be, don't you?
>
> Be sure to use a "low carb" tortilla. Just substituting a regular tortilla
> won't help the problem.
> --
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise
> BMI 21.5- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi,
I still feel awful and left work early as I just couldn't function. I
came home and slept as I was so tired. I feel hung over. I am sure I
will feel better tomorrow. Usually I can eat wheat toast with peanut
butter and it isn't a problem...after today, though, I won't do that
again. I will look for the low carb tortillas next time I hit the
store. Tomorrow I am having eggs. I know 150 is high, but at
least I don't feel so dragged down at 150. This threw me off big time
today. When I was at work, it felt like an elevator went down the
inside of me and then wiped out all my energy. I have never had that
happen. Man, before I just worried about it being too high, now I have
to worry about it being too low. grrrr. But, I will start again
tomorrow and hope it turns out better than today.

Hi Cindy,

I know how you feel. I've been there many times before myself--until I
finally figured out what was going on. I'd do anything not to have that
feeling, which is why I keep my diet consistently low carb.

If you were a little more stringent with your diet, your BGs wouldn't get so
high that your body pumps out the excess insulin to compensate. I know
you're used to running higher, but it is taking its toll. The fact that
you're having a reactive hypoglycemia episode shows that. Even though
you've done "okay" (meaning no reactive hypoglycemia) with the toast before,
since you've let your BGs run high, your pancreas is under stress,
sustaining more damage. Now you're BGs are getting higher on the same diet
you've been eating, and the pancreas is over-compensating. You need to take
the stress off the pancreas.

If you simply can't manage to low carb, then consider more meds. The point
is to keep your BGs in normal range so that your condition doesn't worsen.

Good idea on the eggs!
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

On May 20, 4:37*pm, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
> "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cbe21f3c-d7f1-4606-9d0e-35321161c580@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 20, 2:52 pm, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:346ed26e-41ff-486e-bb66-7a9921eb415a@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 20, 11:38 am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi Cindy,
>
> > > My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
> > > butter--hence the hypo. If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike
> > > in
> > > the range of 80-100 points. Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body
> > > finally
> > > figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of
> > > it.
>
> > > You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Michelle C., T2
> > > diet & exercise
> > > BMI 21.5
>
> > > "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> > > > fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> > > > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> > > > and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> > > > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> > > > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> > > > Bug!
> > > > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
> > I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
> > in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!
>
> > Cindy,
>
> > Yep, reactive hypoglycemia is the gift that keeps on giving--you feel
> > crappy
> > even after your BG is back in normal territory. You do realize that being
> > in the 150's + is higher than you want to be, don't you?
>
> > Be sure to use a "low carb" tortilla. Just substituting a regular tortilla
> > won't help the problem.
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Michelle C., T2
> > diet & exercise
> > BMI 21.5- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi,
> I still feel awful and left work early as I just couldn't function. I
> came home and slept as I was so tired. I feel hung over. I am sure I
> will feel better tomorrow. *Usually I can eat wheat toast with peanut
> butter and it isn't a problem...after today, though, I won't do that
> again. I will look for the low carb tortillas next time I hit the
> store. *Tomorrow I am having eggs. *I know 150 is high, but at
> least I don't feel so dragged down at 150. *This threw me off big time
> today. *When I was at work, it felt like an elevator went down the
> inside of me and then wiped out all my energy. I have never had that
> happen. Man, before I just worried about it being too high, now I have
> to worry about it being too low. *grrrr. *But, I will start again
> tomorrow and hope it turns out better than today.
>
> Hi Cindy,
>
> I know how you feel. *I've been there many times before myself--until I
> finally figured out what was going on. *I'd do anything not to have that
> feeling, which is why I keep my diet consistently low carb.
>
> If you were a little more stringent with your diet, your BGs wouldn't get so
> high that your body pumps out the excess insulin to compensate. *I know
> you're used to running higher, but it is taking its toll. *The fact that
> you're having a reactive hypoglycemia episode shows that. *Even though
> you've done "okay" (meaning no reactive hypoglycemia) with the toast before,
> since you've let your BGs run high, your pancreas is under stress,
> sustaining more damage. *Now you're BGs are getting higher on the same diet
> you've been eating, and the pancreas is over-compensating. *You need to take
> the stress off the pancreas.
>
> If you simply can't manage to low carb, then consider more meds. *The point
> is to keep your BGs in normal range so that your condition doesn't worsen.
>
> Good idea on the eggs!
> --
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise
> BMI 21.5- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am seriously about to cry. I fell back asleep after my last post and
just woke up. My BG is 65 now. I just feel soooo exhausted.
Michelle, you mentioned more meds, but I don't have insurance or meds
as I don't have a doctor - you guys are kind of it. I was so fuzzy
this morning when I ate the peanuts, but now it makes sense not to.
All I could think was not to eat sugar or carbs. Now I know if it gets
low, that sugar and carbs are ok. Right? I feel kind of depressed
about this today, which I am sure will pass, but I just want to cry
from being so frustrated. I have been exercising and trying to eat
right and then this happened. Sigh. I will start tomorrow in a
better way (Keep fingers crossed).

"CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:be9932a7-46ba-4187-a965-cc03ae355c49@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

I am seriously about to cry. I fell back asleep after my last post and
just woke up. My BG is 65 now. I just feel soooo exhausted.
Michelle, you mentioned more meds, but I don't have insurance or meds
as I don't have a doctor - you guys are kind of it. I was so fuzzy
this morning when I ate the peanuts, but now it makes sense not to.
All I could think was not to eat sugar or carbs. Now I know if it gets
low, that sugar and carbs are ok. Right? I feel kind of depressed
about this today, which I am sure will pass, but I just want to cry
from being so frustrated. I have been exercising and trying to eat
right and then this happened. Sigh. I will start tomorrow in a
better way (Keep fingers crossed).

Eat some carbs. Something with little to no fat in it. Or drink a little
bit of juice or milk if you have it. Keep some sugar with you at all times.
I keep Smarties in my purse. It could be that you are coming down with
something. Normally when I am getting sick, my BG goes higher, but when I
had the flu this winter, I had some hypos. You just never know.

Peanuts are a good thing to eat to prevent hypos between meals. Not so good
to treat them. Not enough carbs and too much fat.

CindyB wrote:

> I am seriously about to cry. I fell back asleep after my last post and
> just woke up. My BG is 65 now. I just feel soooo exhausted.
> Michelle, you mentioned more meds, but I don't have insurance or meds
> as I don't have a doctor - you guys are kind of it. I was so fuzzy
> this morning when I ate the peanuts, but now it makes sense not to.
> All I could think was not to eat sugar or carbs. Now I know if it gets
> low, that sugar and carbs are ok. Right? I feel kind of depressed
> about this today, which I am sure will pass, but I just want to cry
> from being so frustrated. I have been exercising and trying to eat
> right and then this happened. Sigh. I will start tomorrow in a
> better way (Keep fingers crossed).
Cindy, 15 grams of carbs, wait 15 min and retest to make sure your bg is
rising not dropping

in the US, smarties are good for this, or you can get lucozade or the
other brand of quick acting glucose tabs (sorry, forget the name of them)

make sure you wait 15 min........ yes..... you will be ravenous and feel
like crap......... set a timer if you have to

if you are still low after 15 min (and dropping) take another 15 grams
of QUICK carbs (1/2 a regular pop if you can stop at 1/2, or buy those
small cans of pop)

good luck!

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

CindyB wrote:
> Hi,
> I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
> fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
> back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
> and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
> had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
> wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
> Bug!
> Cindy

How much wheat toast? Bread carbs at breakfast would raise me then drop me.

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> CindyB wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
>> fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a
>> while back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is
>> 10:15 am and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is
>> pretty low. I had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those
>> now. I had some wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not
>> sure why so low. Bug!
>> Cindy
>
> Because you had toast for breakfast, most likely.
>
> Next time try PB without toast.
>
> Or eggs, or cheese, or meat, or cottage cheese...

On the rare occasions I do have regular wheat toast I find the spike is
greatly reduced the more protein I eat. For example 3 eggs would stop a
spike from 1 slice of wheat toast whereas 1 egg wouldn't. But I still prefer
my morning carbs to come from low carb veggies.

On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:18:01 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>On the rare occasions I do have regular wheat toast I find the spike is
>greatly reduced the more protein I eat. For example 3 eggs would stop a
>spike from 1 slice of wheat toast whereas 1 egg wouldn't. But I still prefer
>my morning carbs to come from low carb veggies.
>

Interesting; I hadn't considered increasing protein for that
effect. Something to consider.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

Alan S wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:18:01 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>> On the rare occasions I do have regular wheat toast I find the spike
>> is greatly reduced the more protein I eat. For example 3 eggs would
>> stop a spike from 1 slice of wheat toast whereas 1 egg wouldn't. But
>> I still prefer my morning carbs to come from low carb veggies.
>>
>
> Interesting; I hadn't considered increasing protein for that
> effect. Something to consider.

It came about accientally. I have oestrogen dominance. I needed to balance a
number of things and raising protein and lowering carbs has had a profound
effect on menopausal symptoms. Over stimulation of oestrogen can be helped
by increasing the activity of an enzyme system called cytochrome P450.
Protein increases that activity and I eat protein at every main meal.

Hyperinsulemia is also dangerous as it interferes with deactiving metabolic
active oestradiol so it makes sense to lower carbs for that reason which in
turn can mean protein is also increased (which I have done).

Over production of insulin also helps produce inflammatory eicosanoids.
Imbalanced eicosanoids were causing me all kinds of women's grief which in
turned stressed me which started a vicious circle of overproduction of the
stress hormones (adrenaline and cortisol) which caused imbalance of the
eicosanoids.

So a small change in diet, lowering the carbs a bit more and adding more
protein had a vast positive effect on my endocrine system with regards to
impending menopause.

Now, aren't you glad you commented?

So in a nutshell, to keep everything in balance (bg's, eicosanoids and
hormones):

Eat regularly (no skipping meals)

Eat high quality and nutrient rich foods

Protein at every meal

Cut down or avoid high GI and refined carbs (that includes alcohol)

Keep grains to a minimum

Eat a wide variety of vegetable and low GI fruits a day

Eat healthy fats every day (omega 3 and 6 are the two essential fatty
acids). I am eating much more fish these days.

Wipe trans fats from the diet and don't see sat fat as the threat that was
hung on us years ago

Take care of the mitochondria (L-carnitine is essential here)

All pretty much what a lot of ASD'ers are doing for bg control and good
health.

On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:27:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:18:01 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On the rare occasions I do have regular wheat toast I find the spike
>>> is greatly reduced the more protein I eat. For example 3 eggs would
>>> stop a spike from 1 slice of wheat toast whereas 1 egg wouldn't. But
>>> I still prefer my morning carbs to come from low carb veggies.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting; I hadn't considered increasing protein for that
>> effect. Something to consider.
>
>It came about accientally. I have oestrogen dominance. I needed to balance a
>number of things and raising protein and lowering carbs has had a profound
>effect on menopausal symptoms. Over stimulation of oestrogen can be helped
>by increasing the activity of an enzyme system called cytochrome P450.
>Protein increases that activity and I eat protein at every main meal.
>
>Hyperinsulemia is also dangerous as it interferes with deactiving metabolic
>active oestradiol so it makes sense to lower carbs for that reason which in
>turn can mean protein is also increased (which I have done).
>
>Over production of insulin also helps produce inflammatory eicosanoids.
>Imbalanced eicosanoids were causing me all kinds of women's grief which in
>turned stressed me which started a vicious circle of overproduction of the
>stress hormones (adrenaline and cortisol) which caused imbalance of the
>eicosanoids.
>
>So a small change in diet, lowering the carbs a bit more and adding more
>protein had a vast positive effect on my endocrine system with regards to
>impending menopause.
>
>Now, aren't you glad you commented?
>
>So in a nutshell, to keep everything in balance (bg's, eicosanoids and
>hormones):
>
>Eat regularly (no skipping meals)
>
>Eat high quality and nutrient rich foods
>
>Protein at every meal
>
>Cut down or avoid high GI and refined carbs (that includes alcohol)
>
>Keep grains to a minimum
>
>Eat a wide variety of vegetable and low GI fruits a day
>
>Eat healthy fats every day (omega 3 and 6 are the two essential fatty
>acids). I am eating much more fish these days.
>
>Wipe trans fats from the diet and don't see sat fat as the threat that was
>hung on us years ago
>
>Take care of the mitochondria (L-carnitine is essential here)
>
>All pretty much what a lot of ASD'ers are doing for bg control and good
>health.
>
>
All makes sense. Never heard of refined carbs including
alcohol though; I must admit I got lost in the middle of the
hormones, menopause was never a major interest of mine...but
I believe you:-)



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

Michelle C <bookbug1@frys.com> wrote:

: store. Tomorrow I am having eggs. I know 150 is high, but at
: least I don't feel so dragged down at 150. This threw me off big time
: today. When I was at work, it felt like an elevator went down the
: inside of me and then wiped out all my energy. I have never had that
: happen. Man, before I just worried about it being too high, now I have
: to worry about it being too low. grrrr. But, I will start again
: tomorrow and hope it turns out better than today.

: Hi Cindy,

: I know how you feel. I've been there many times before myself--until I
: finally figured out what was going on. I'd do anything not to have that
: feeling, which is why I keep my diet consistently low carb.

: If you were a little more stringent with your diet, your BGs wouldn't get so
: high that your body pumps out the excess insulin to compensate. I know
: you're used to running higher, but it is taking its toll. The fact that
: you're having a reactive hypoglycemia episode shows that. Even though
: you've done "okay" (meaning no reactive hypoglycemia) with the toast before,
: since you've let your BGs run high, your pancreas is under stress,
: sustaining more damage. Now you're BGs are getting higher on the same diet
: you've been eating, and the pancreas is over-compensating. You need to take
: the stress off the pancreas.

: If you simply can't manage to low carb, then consider more meds. The point
: is to keep your BGs in normal range so that your condition doesn't worsen.

: Good idea on the eggs!
: --
: Best regards,
: Michelle C., T2

cindy,

When your body is used to running high, like the 150 all he time, when it
hits a normal number(not the 56!) it thinks that your bg's are low and you
get all the lousy feelings of a hypo. I had that early in my attempts to
control my diabees shortly after diagnosis. I was dizzy, weak, etc and
when I checked my bgs I was at 80, a normal reading.

this MAY be part of why you feel so crappy , dull, etc. also, whenever
your numbers drop fast, even if they are not low, you can get that awful
feeling. Eventually, if you keep your numbers in a close to normal range
your body learns andstops feeling so crappy.

Wendy

I have a question for cindy: have you ever gone t o diabetes
education?

regardingL-carnitine: I really want to take it, but unfortunately I
am one
of those people it does not agree with, same as some peopel get the
runs from metformin. I am really bummed about it too. I tired every
weird kind of L-carnitine out there, and I can;t handle any of it.

x-no-archive: yes

dumb_fishie99 wrote:
> I have a question for cindy: have you ever gone t o diabetes
> education?
>
> regardingL-carnitine: I really want to take it, but unfortunately I
> am one
> of those people it does not agree with, same as some peopel get the
> runs from metformin. I am really bummed about it too. I tired every
> weird kind of L-carnitine out there, and I can;t handle any of it.


I can't take it either, it causes adrenal suppression in me. You might
want to discuss your reaction to it with an endo, because it's
suggesting of HPA axis abnormality, something I have:



Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2004 Nov;1033:147-57. Links
Modulatory effects of L-carnitine on glucocorticoid receptor activity.
Manoli I, De Martino MU, Kino T, Alesci S.
Endocrine Section, Laboratory of Clinical Investigation, National Center
for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, National Institutes of
Health, Bethesda, MD 20892, USA.
L-carnitine (3-hydroxy-4-N,N,N-trimethylaminobutyrate) is a
conditionally essential nutrient with a major role in cellular energy
metabolism. It is available in the United States as both a prescription
drug and an over-the-counter nutritional supplement. Accumulating
evidence from both animal and human studies indicates that pharmacologic
doses of L-carnitine (LCAR) have immunomodulatory effects resembling
those of glucocorticoids (GC). On the other hand, in contrast to GC,
which cause bone loss, LCAR seems to have positive effects on bone
metabolism. To explore the molecular bases of this GC-like activity of
LCAR, we investigated its effects on glucocorticoid receptor
(GR)-modulated cytokine release ex vivo, and on the transcriptional
activity, intracellular trafficking, and binding of GR in vitro. At high
noncytotoxic doses, LCAR (a) suppressed the
lipopolysaccharide-stimulated release of tumor necrosis factor alpha and
interleukin-12 from primary human monocytes in a GC-like fashion, (b)
stimulated the transcriptional activity of GR on the GC-responsive
promoters, (c) triggered nuclear translocation of green fluorescent
protein (GFP)-fused GR, and (d) reduced the whole cell binding of
[(3)H]-dexamethasone to GR. These results suggest that LCAR is a
"nutritional modulator" of the GR, by acting as an agonist-like
compound. Since LCAR appears to have positive effects on bone
metabolism, in contrast to GC, LCAR may share some of the therapeutic
properties of GC, particularly on the immune system, but not their
deleterious side effects on some of other organs/tissues. Thus, LCAR is
potentially a useful alternative compound of GC in particular
therapeutic situations. The clinical and therapeutic implications of
these findings, as well as a better understanding of their mechanisms,
warrant further research.
PMID: 15591012 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: FASEB J. 2003 Aug;17(11):1553-5. Epub 2003 Jun 17. Links
L-carnitine: A nutritional modulator of glucocorticoid receptor functions.
Alesci S, De Martino MU, Mirani M, Benvenga S, Trimarchi F, Kino T,
Chrousos GP.
Pediatric and Reproductive Endocrinology Branch, National Institute of
Child Health and Human Development, National Institutes of Health,
Bethesda, Maryland 20892-1583, USA. alescis@mail.nih.gov
L-carnitine is an essential nutrient with a major role in cellular
energy production. There is evidence that, at high doses, L-carnitine
might mimic some of the biological activities of glucocorticoids,
especially immunomodulation. To explore the molecular basis of this
effect, we tested the influence of L-carnitine on glucocorticoid
receptor-alpha (GRalpha) functions. Millimolar concentrations of
L-carnitine, which were not cytotoxic in vitro, significantly reduced
the whole cell binding of [3H]dexamethasone to GRalpha by decreasing the
affinity of this receptor for its steroid ligand. At the same
concentrations, L-carnitine was able to trigger nuclear translocation of
green fluorescent protein (GFP)-fused human GRalpha and transactivate
the glucocorticoid-responsive mouse mammary tumor virus (MMTV) and TAT3
promoters in a dose-dependent fashion. This effect was solely dependent
on the presence of glucocorticoid-responsive elements on the promoter
and on the expression of functional GRalpha by the cell. Finally,
similarly to glucocorticoids, L-carnitine suppressed tumor necrosis
factor-alpha (TNFalpha) and interleukin-12 release by human primary
monocytes stimulated with lipopolysaccharide ex vivo. Both GRalpha
transactivation and cytokine suppression by L-carnitine were abrogated
by the GRalpha-antagonist RU 486. Taken together, our results suggest
that pharmacological doses of L-carnitine can activate GRalpha and,
through this mechanism, regulate glucocorticoid-responsive genes,
potentially sharing some of the biological and therapeutic properties of
glucocorticoids.
PMID: 12824292 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2004 Jun;1024:147-52. Links
L-Carnitine is a modulator of the glucocorticoid receptor alpha.
Alesci S, De Martino MU, Kino T, Ilias I.
Clinical Neuroendocrinology Branch, National Institute of Mental Health,
National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20892-1284, USA.
alescisa@mail.nih.gov
L-Carnitine (LC) is a nutrient with an essential role in cellular energy
production. At high doses, LC can mimic some of the biological
activities of glucocorticoids, particularly immunomodulation. To explore
the molecular bases of this property, we tested the influence of LC on
glucocorticoid receptor-a (GRalpha) functions. LC reduced the binding
capacity of GRalpha, induced its nuclear translocation, and stimulated
its transcriptional activity. Moreover, LC suppressed TNFalpha and IL-12
release from human monocytes in glucocorticoid-like fashion. We conclude
that pharmacologic doses of LC can activate GRalpha and, via this
mechanism, regulate glucocorticoid-responsive genes, potentially sharing
some of the biological and therapeutic properties of glucocorticoids.
PMID: 15265779 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



Susan

On May 21, 6:53*am, dumb_fishie99 <dumb_fishi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have a question for cindy: *have you ever gone t o diabetes
> education?
>
> regardingL-carnitine: *I really want to take it, but unfortunately I
> am one
> of those people it does not agree with, same as some peopel get the
> runs from metformin. *I am really bummed about it too. I tired every
> weird kind of L-carnitine out there, and I can;t handle any of it.

Hi,
Unfortunately, I haven't taken any classes. I am a single mom, I work
full-time about an hour away from home, take care of the kids and then
write at night for some extra money. I missed a few hours of work
yesterday and I will see that in my paycheck. I don't have insurance
so I can't go to a doctor, unless I go to the emergency room, and I
can't take any classes. I have learned a lot from you guys and I am
so thankful for all of your help. I woke up this morning and it was 58
so I had some juice and then some eggs. It used to be around 140 or so
in the morning so this is just weird to me. I just feel like a little
fuzzy, but not as bad as yesterday. I have changed about 95% of the
way I used to eat and I exercise and am really trying to take care of
myself. That is why yesterday threw me for such a loop. I appreciate
the links you guys send and I check them out.
Cindy

In article
<76a6577c-79e1-4679-aeee-5d0ce15e7e4e@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
CindyB <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It used to be around 140 or so
> in the morning so this is just weird to me.

It may for a week or so, but just hang in and your body will become
adjusted to healthier levels. :-)

As my beloved endo (who left the state *sniff*) used to say, "It's a
marathon, not a sprint."

Priscilla, T2

On Tue, 20 May 2008 16:37:10 -0700, "Michelle C" <bookbug1@frys.com>
wrote:

>
>"CindyB" <ski4cindy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:cbe21f3c-d7f1-4606-9d0e-35321161c580@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On May 20, 2:52 pm, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
>> "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:346ed26e-41ff-486e-bb66-7a9921eb415a@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 20, 11:38 am, "Michelle C" <bookb...@frys.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Cindy,
>>
>> > My guess would be that the toast spiked your BG--in spite of the peanut
>> > butter--hence the hypo. If I eat a piece of wheat toast, I get a spike
>> > in
>> > the range of 80-100 points. Guaranteed to cause a hypo when my body
>> > finally
>> > figures I've gone that high and dumps a ton of insulin to take care of
>> > it.
>>
>> > You might be better off with a low carb tortilla and peanut butter.
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Michelle C., T2
>> > diet & exercise
>> > BMI 21.5
>>
>> > "CindyB" <ski4ci...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:8434e1f9-2d06-47e8-aa4c-266effc24fae@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > Hi,
>> > > I got to work today and felt really weird. Kinda dizzy and just a
>> > > fuzzy brain. I lost my health insurance and ran out of strips a while
>> > > back, but I decided to go buy some a few minutes ago. It is 10:15 am
>> > > and my BG is 59. I know normal is 70 - 140, so this is pretty low. I
>> > > had a bag of peanuts in the car and am eating those now. I had some
>> > > wheat toast and peanut butter for breakfast so not sure why so low.
>> > > Bug!
>> > > Cindy- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> It was weird and out of the blue. I will try the tortilla next time.
>> I still feel crummy and it is now at 73, after eating. Usually I am
>> in the 150's +, so this is just weird. Bug!
>>
>> Cindy,
>>
>> Yep, reactive hypoglycemia is the gift that keeps on giving--you feel
>> crappy
>> even after your BG is back in normal territory. You do realize that being
>> in the 150's + is higher than you want to be, don't you?
>>
>> Be sure to use a "low carb" tortilla. Just substituting a regular tortilla
>> won't help the problem.
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Michelle C., T2
>> diet & exercise
>> BMI 21.5- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Hi,
>I still feel awful and left work early as I just couldn't function. I
>came home and slept as I was so tired. I feel hung over. I am sure I
>will feel better tomorrow. Usually I can eat wheat toast with peanut
>butter and it isn't a problem...after today, though, I won't do that
>again. I will look for the low carb tortillas next time I hit the
>store. Tomorrow I am having eggs. I know 150 is high, but at
>least I don't feel so dragged down at 150. This threw me off big time
>today. When I was at work, it felt like an elevator went down the
>inside of me and then wiped out all my energy. I have never had that
>happen. Man, before I just worried about it being too high, now I have
>to worry about it being too low. grrrr. But, I will start again
>tomorrow and hope it turns out better than today.
>
>Hi Cindy,
>
>I know how you feel. I've been there many times before myself--until I
>finally figured out what was going on. I'd do anything not to have that
>feeling, which is why I keep my diet consistently low carb.
>
>If you were a little more stringent with your diet, your BGs wouldn't get so
>high that your body pumps out the excess insulin to compensate. I know
>you're used to running higher, but it is taking its toll. The fact that
>you're having a reactive hypoglycemia episode shows that. Even though
>you've done "okay" (meaning no reactive hypoglycemia) with the toast before,
>since you've let your BGs run high, your pancreas is under stress,
>sustaining more damage. Now you're BGs are getting higher