Your body will adjust to how active you are.

Everyday I am getting better. So far my PCP and the painmanagment
specialist think
this is diabetes related. Well diabetes and life style. Mostly life style
habbits that I am trying to get rid of. it happens everytime I start
lifting weights for the last 2 years.
the muscles need to be stretched before I start building them. the muscles
in my legs and im sure other places have shortened. I think when they start
to grow in this shortened state they pull really hard on the nerves in my
back. the pain has caused me to become much less active then I should be,
my not eating the way I should also didnt help much. even tho I have pretty
good control of my blood sugar levels and have been in the 4 percent club
for almost 4 years with no medications.
This January 27th or 29th is my fourth anniversary. there is more to being a
healthy diabetic then numbers on a meter. Sitting on my butt for 6 months
trying to learn php and mysql didnt help either.
this all resulted in poor circulation. also caused my frozen shoulder.
my main piece of exercise equipment. a dual adjustable pulley system
is pretty hard for my rusted body to get used to. I am going to try an use
my FID bench more often to help protect my back.
its a great machine I just need to put my ego in check and do the exercises
correctly for my rusted body.
there is a video of people working out on my machine, you could maybe get
an idea how it is easier to hurt yourself on this machine then it would be
using a regular flat bench and I also need to stretch more.
http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com...justablepulley



Tom
how are those ice caps doing?

Gantlet wrote:
> Everyday I am getting better. So far my PCP and the painmanagment
> specialist think
> this is diabetes related. Well diabetes and life style. Mostly life style
> habbits that I am trying to get rid of. it happens everytime I start
> lifting weights for the last 2 years.
> the muscles need to be stretched before I start building them. the muscles
> in my legs and im sure other places have shortened. I think when they start
> to grow in this shortened state they pull really hard on the nerves in my
> back. the pain has caused me to become much less active then I should be,
> my not eating the way I should also didnt help much. even tho I have pretty
> good control of my blood sugar levels and have been in the 4 percent club
> for almost 4 years with no medications.
> This January 27th or 29th is my fourth anniversary. there is more to being a
> healthy diabetic then numbers on a meter. Sitting on my butt for 6 months
> trying to learn php and mysql didnt help either.
> this all resulted in poor circulation. also caused my frozen shoulder.
> my main piece of exercise equipment. a dual adjustable pulley system
> is pretty hard for my rusted body to get used to. I am going to try an use
> my FID bench more often to help protect my back.
> its a great machine I just need to put my ego in check and do the exercises
> correctly for my rusted body.
> there is a video of people working out on my machine, you could maybe get
> an idea how it is easier to hurt yourself on this machine then it would be
> using a regular flat bench and I also need to stretch more.
> http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com...justablepulley
>
>
>
> Tom
> how are those ice caps doing?

Wow, in the 4% club for 4 years! That's not even diabetic numbers, I'm
impressed!

I do think exercise is one important key to good health, at whatever
level one is able to do it. Is there a YMCA or similar facility in
your area where you could swim? I did that last summer at 24 Hour
Fitness when my back was acting up. I worked muscles I forgot I had,
and it felt so good on my back to stretch and twist in the water. The
chlorine in a public pool is pretty hard to take though....

"Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message >
> Wow, in the 4% club for 4 years! That's not even diabetic numbers, I'm
> impressed!

did i say that? oppps.. that should have been 5% club.



>
> I do think exercise is one important key to good health, at whatever
> level one is able to do it. Is there a YMCA or similar facility in
> your area where you could swim? I did that last summer at 24 Hour
> Fitness when my back was acting up. I worked muscles I forgot I had,
> and it felt so good on my back to stretch and twist in the water. The
> chlorine in a public pool is pretty hard to take though....

I do love to swim and there is a public pool right around the corner but its
closed
for the winter lol. with the tempts around here its funny to call this
winter. I almost put the fan in window last night. I was just riding
around on my motorcycle in a very light leather jacket and the only reason
for leather was because i was on the highway.
Next time I get on the FDR i will post a link to the traffic cam so if
anyone wants to see me zipping around on my bike. back to work..

Tom

Gantlet wrote:
> "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message >
>> Wow, in the 4% club for 4 years! That's not even diabetic numbers, I'm
>> impressed!
>
> did i say that? oppps.. that should have been 5% club.
>
>
>
>> I do think exercise is one important key to good health, at whatever
>> level one is able to do it. Is there a YMCA or similar facility in
>> your area where you could swim? I did that last summer at 24 Hour
>> Fitness when my back was acting up. I worked muscles I forgot I had,
>> and it felt so good on my back to stretch and twist in the water. The
>> chlorine in a public pool is pretty hard to take though....
>
> I do love to swim and there is a public pool right around the corner but its
> closed
> for the winter lol. with the tempts around here its funny to call this
> winter. I almost put the fan in window last night. I was just riding
> around on my motorcycle in a very light leather jacket and the only reason
> for leather was because i was on the highway.
> Next time I get on the FDR i will post a link to the traffic cam so if
> anyone wants to see me zipping around on my bike. back to work..
>
> Tom
>
>

Have you considered cycling more? I did 60 miles today.

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Gantlet wrote:
> > "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message >
> >> Wow, in the 4% club for 4 years! That's not even diabetic numbers, I'm
> >> impressed!
> >
> > did i say that? oppps.. that should have been 5% club.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I do think exercise is one important key to good health, at whatever
> >> level one is able to do it. Is there a YMCA or similar facility in
> >> your area where you could swim? I did that last summer at 24 Hour
> >> Fitness when my back was acting up. I worked muscles I forgot I had,
> >> and it felt so good on my back to stretch and twist in the water. The
> >> chlorine in a public pool is pretty hard to take though....
> >
> > I do love to swim and there is a public pool right around the corner but its
> > closed
> > for the winter lol. with the tempts around here its funny to call this
> > winter. I almost put the fan in window last night. I was just riding
> > around on my motorcycle in a very light leather jacket and the only reason
> > for leather was because i was on the highway.
> > Next time I get on the FDR i will post a link to the traffic cam so if
> > anyone wants to see me zipping around on my bike. back to work..
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
> Have you considered cycling more? I did 60 miles today.

5% is fabulous too. Yeah, I heard it was like in the 60s on the East
Coast, is that right? My BIL in New England isn't shoveling snow as
usual this January.

It's too cold (for me) to ride my old lady bike around here even during
the day, but we went for a walk after dinner, at sunset, and it was
getting quite cold. We were fooling around at the kiddie playground
and I hung from the monkey bars for a few minutes. I felt my spine
totally stretch out, and it felt so damn good! I told my sweetie about
it because he has a tricky back too. It felt so good that we're
thinking about installing some kind of pull up bar in the house, maybe
out on the deck. I think someone here was suggesting pullups for a bad
back. Right now, just hanging would be challenge enough for me :-)

"Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:1168150297.756505.303780@51g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Roger Zoul wrote:
>> Gantlet wrote:
>> > "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message >
>
> 5% is fabulous too. Yeah, I heard it was like in the 60s on the East
> Coast, is that right? My BIL in New England isn't shoveling snow as
> usual this January.
>
> It's too cold (for me) to ride my old lady bike around here even during
> the day, but we went for a walk after dinner, at sunset, and it was
> getting quite cold. We were fooling around at the kiddie playground
> and I hung from the monkey bars for a few minutes. I felt my spine
> totally stretch out, and it felt so damn good! I told my sweetie about
> it because he has a tricky back too. It felt so good that we're
> thinking about installing some kind of pull up bar in the house, maybe
> out on the deck. I think someone here was suggesting pullups for a bad
> back. Right now, just hanging would be challenge enough for me :-)

I keep looking at those inversion tables to help decompress your spine.
Might be easier then chin-ups.


>

DersertHare wrote:
> "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> news:1168150297.756505.303780@51g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Roger Zoul wrote:
> >> Gantlet wrote:
> >> > "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message >
> >
> > 5% is fabulous too. Yeah, I heard it was like in the 60s on the East
> > Coast, is that right? My BIL in New England isn't shoveling snow as
> > usual this January.
> >
> > It's too cold (for me) to ride my old lady bike around here even during
> > the day, but we went for a walk after dinner, at sunset, and it was
> > getting quite cold. We were fooling around at the kiddie playground
> > and I hung from the monkey bars for a few minutes. I felt my spine
> > totally stretch out, and it felt so damn good! I told my sweetie about
> > it because he has a tricky back too. It felt so good that we're
> > thinking about installing some kind of pull up bar in the house, maybe
> > out on the deck. I think someone here was suggesting pullups for a bad
> > back. Right now, just hanging would be challenge enough for me :-)
>
> I keep looking at those inversion tables to help decompress your spine.
> Might be easier then chin-ups.
>
>
> >

Thanks for mentioning that, DesertHare, I've been googling inversion
tables since I read your post. The thought of hanging upside down by
my ankles freaks me out a little, but I bet it would feel wonderful on
the back. I guess it is not necessary to be fully upside down to get
the effects. But a chin up bar is certainly cheaper!

Ricavito <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> Roger Zoul wrote:
>> Gantlet wrote:

>> > I do love to swim and there is a public pool right around the corner but its
>> > closed
>> > for the winter lol. with the tempts around here its funny to call this
>> > winter. I almost put the fan in window last night. I was just riding
>> > around on my motorcycle in a very light leather jacket and the only reason
>> > for leather was because i was on the highway.
>> > Next time I get on the FDR i will post a link to the traffic cam so if
>> > anyone wants to see me zipping around on my bike. back to work..
>> >
>> > Tom
>>
>> Have you considered cycling more? I did 60 miles today.

> 5% is fabulous too. Yeah, I heard it was like in the 60s on the East
> Coast, is that right? My BIL in New England isn't shoveling snow as
> usual this January.

> It's too cold (for me) to ride my old lady bike around here even during
> the day, but we went for a walk after dinner, at sunset, and it was
> getting quite cold. We were fooling around at the kiddie playground
> and I hung from the monkey bars for a few minutes. I felt my spine
> totally stretch out, and it felt so damn good! I told my sweetie about
> it because he has a tricky back too. It felt so good that we're
> thinking about installing some kind of pull up bar in the house, maybe
> out on the deck. I think someone here was suggesting pullups for a bad
> back. Right now, just hanging would be challenge enough for me :-)

It was me, and I was suggesting that it was the hanging that was
really good for stretching out the back, so was suggesting getting a
bar just to dangle from, even if you couldn't do pullups. Even if you
never want to be able to do pullups and have a bad back, I'd advise
getting a pullup bar just to dangle from.

In fact, if your back is bad in the lumbar region, and you're up to
it, dangling by the feet is even better. You can do it with special
boots, or putting your feet through tape slings slung over the bar.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

DersertHare <cactusjuice@frontward.net.invalid> wrote:

> "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> news:1168150297.756505.303780@51g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> Roger Zoul wrote:
>>> Gantlet wrote:
>>> > "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message >
>>
>> 5% is fabulous too. Yeah, I heard it was like in the 60s on the East
>> Coast, is that right? My BIL in New England isn't shoveling snow as
>> usual this January.
>>
>> It's too cold (for me) to ride my old lady bike around here even during
>> the day, but we went for a walk after dinner, at sunset, and it was
>> getting quite cold. We were fooling around at the kiddie playground
>> and I hung from the monkey bars for a few minutes. I felt my spine
>> totally stretch out, and it felt so damn good! I told my sweetie about
>> it because he has a tricky back too. It felt so good that we're
>> thinking about installing some kind of pull up bar in the house, maybe
>> out on the deck. I think someone here was suggesting pullups for a bad
>> back. Right now, just hanging would be challenge enough for me :-)

> I keep looking at those inversion tables to help decompress your spine.
> Might be easier then chin-ups.

You don't need to do a chin up, dangling is just as good for pulling
out the spine, in fact it's better because the muscles are more
relaxed.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:1168156980.657274.272930@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> DersertHare wrote:
>> "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>> news:1168150297.756505.303780@51g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
>> >
>> > Roger Zoul wrote:
>> >> Gantlet wrote:
>> >> > "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote in message >
>>
>> I keep looking at those inversion tables to help decompress your spine.
>> Might be easier then chin-ups.
>>
>>
>> >
>
> Thanks for mentioning that, DesertHare, I've been googling inversion
> tables since I read your post. The thought of hanging upside down by
> my ankles freaks me out a little, but I bet it would feel wonderful on
> the back. I guess it is not necessary to be fully upside down to get
> the effects. But a chin up bar is certainly cheaper!

No doubt a pullup bar is cheaper. If I got some blood flow to the brain
wouldn't hurt either rofl!
The only thing I'm worried about on the inversion table, is getting stuck in
the inverted position. lol
I'm sure they have that issue covered.

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> Ricavito <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> > Roger Zoul wrote:
> >> Gantlet wrote:
>
> >> > I do love to swim and there is a public pool right around the corner but its
> >> > closed
> >> > for the winter lol. with the tempts around here its funny to call this
> >> > winter. I almost put the fan in window last night. I was just riding
> >> > around on my motorcycle in a very light leather jacket and the only reason
> >> > for leather was because i was on the highway.
> >> > Next time I get on the FDR i will post a link to the traffic cam so if
> >> > anyone wants to see me zipping around on my bike. back to work..
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >>
> >> Have you considered cycling more? I did 60 miles today.
>
> > 5% is fabulous too. Yeah, I heard it was like in the 60s on the East
> > Coast, is that right? My BIL in New England isn't shoveling snow as
> > usual this January.
>
> > It's too cold (for me) to ride my old lady bike around here even during
> > the day, but we went for a walk after dinner, at sunset, and it was
> > getting quite cold. We were fooling around at the kiddie playground
> > and I hung from the monkey bars for a few minutes. I felt my spine
> > totally stretch out, and it felt so damn good! I told my sweetie about
> > it because he has a tricky back too. It felt so good that we're
> > thinking about installing some kind of pull up bar in the house, maybe
> > out on the deck. I think someone here was suggesting pullups for a bad
> > back. Right now, just hanging would be challenge enough for me :-)
>
> It was me, and I was suggesting that it was the hanging that was
> really good for stretching out the back, so was suggesting getting a
> bar just to dangle from, even if you couldn't do pullups. Even if you
> never want to be able to do pullups and have a bad back, I'd advise
> getting a pullup bar just to dangle from.
>
> In fact, if your back is bad in the lumbar region, and you're up to
> it, dangling by the feet is even better. You can do it with special
> boots, or putting your feet through tape slings slung over the bar.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Hi Chris,

Well, reading your post must have planted the seed in my mind and made
me think about it when I walked by the jungle gym at the park last
night. The idea is really starting to intrigue me, mainly because of
how good it felt. In fact, this morning, I was trying to hang from a
door but I'm too tall for it to work properly plus it smushes my nose
:-) Probably not so good for the door hinges though!

I think we're definitely go to install some kind of chin up bar, and
maybe research an inversion table. Plus I will check out what my gym
has.

So thanks for the suggestion!

Best,

Ricavito

Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:

> Everyday I am getting better. So far my PCP and the painmanagment
> specialist think
> this is diabetes related. Well diabetes and life style. Mostly life style
> habbits that I am trying to get rid of. it happens everytime I start
> lifting weights for the last 2 years.
> the muscles need to be stretched before I start building them. the muscles
> in my legs and im sure other places have shortened.

While stretching may help, IMHO the real culprit of muscle shortening
while exercising is doing strengthening exercises over a restricted
range of movement. And not only does this tend to shorten the muscles,
it increases the risk of joint damage.

Since joints under the large forces exerted by the big muscles are
held in correct orientation by small ancillary muscles and tendons,
exercising with a restricted range of movement also does not
strengthen these over the full joint movement range. You can then end
up with big muscles which are strong enough to damage the joint when
called upon to exert strength in an extreme position.

Unfortunately the fastest way of developing muscle bulk and strength
is to exercise the muscles over shorter movement ranges because it's
only in the mid-range of movement that they can exert their maximum
power. So aiming for that rather than overall strength over wide
ranges of movement can increase your risks of joint damage, especially
if you carry a lot of extra weight, because in that case just lifting
your own weight in an extreme position, such as with a twisted or bent
back, can cause the joint damaging forces.

The Hindu squat with its large range of movement is designed to
avoid these kinds of problems.

The title of this thread is "Your body will adjust to how active you
are". It is important not to forget that it will also adjust to the
kind of activity. If you do strengthening exercises over reduced
ranges of movement that's what it adjusts to -- reduced ranges of
movement as well as increased strength. That leads to muscle
shortening and joint damage risks.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

In article <1168115369.711518.283410@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> the pain has caused me to become much less active then I should be,
> > my not eating the way I should also didnt help much. even tho I have pretty
> > good control of my blood sugar levels and have been in the 4 percent club
> > for almost 4 years with no medications.
> > This January 27th or 29th is my fourth anniversary. there is more to being a
> > healthy diabetic then numbers on a meter. Sitting on my butt for 6 months
> > trying to learn php and mysql didnt help either.
>
> Wow, in the 4% club for 4 years! That's not even diabetic numbers, I'm
> impressed!

Yeah, especially when he says he has been sitting on his butt, not
eating as he should, and not taking any medications.

How do you achieve that, Tom?

Priscilla

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:58:50 -0500, Priscilla Ballou
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

>In article <1168115369.711518.283410@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
> "Ricavito" <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> the pain has caused me to become much less active then I should be,
>> > my not eating the way I should also didnt help much. even tho I have pretty
>> > good control of my blood sugar levels and have been in the 4 percent club
>> > for almost 4 years with no medications.
>> > This January 27th or 29th is my fourth anniversary. there is more to being a
>> > healthy diabetic then numbers on a meter. Sitting on my butt for 6 months
>> > trying to learn php and mysql didnt help either.
>>
>> Wow, in the 4% club for 4 years! That's not even diabetic numbers, I'm
>> impressed!
>
>Yeah, especially when he says he has been sitting on his butt, not
>eating as he should, and not taking any medications.
>
>How do you achieve that, Tom?
>
>Priscilla

Shhh! It's a secret! Do you know the handshake yet? :-)
--

BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005

The things that come to those who wait will
be the things left by those who got there first.

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:58:50 -0500, Priscilla Ballou
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:


>Yeah, especially when he says he has been sitting on his butt, not
>eating as he should, and not taking any medications.
>
>How do you achieve that, Tom?

Nah, he acknowledged it as a typo a few posts later - now claiming the
5% club, which is a bit more rational - though still not in line with
the last lot of fantasy figures he posted.

Nicky.
T2 DX 05/2004
A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E
100ug Thyroxine

Many people like to blame people like chung and other spammers for killing
this group.
I do not think that is true at all.
simply put most newbies that come here simply dont like the people that post
here.
looking at some of the posts to this thread its pretty easy to understand.


Tom



"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:0ke5q2trn8gt8suuhe7nijv43g0lrdqmc7@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:58:50 -0500, Priscilla Ballou
> <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Yeah, especially when he says he has been sitting on his butt, not
>>eating as he should, and not taking any medications.
>>
>>How do you achieve that, Tom?
>
> Nah, he acknowledged it as a typo a few posts later - now claiming the
> 5% club, which is a bit more rational - though still not in line with
> the last lot of fantasy figures he posted.
>
> Nicky.
> T2 DX 05/2004
> A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E
> 100ug Thyroxine

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> While stretching may help, IMHO the real culprit of muscle shortening
> while exercising is doing strengthening exercises over a restricted
> range of movement. And not only does this tend to shorten the muscles,
> it increases the risk of joint damage.

with any wieght lifint exercises I do I do complete reps. If i cant
complete it because of range of motion I dont do that exercise.
basically what I have been doing wrong is not stretching enough and not
doing enough cardio. each time my walks or my exercise has reached a
certain level the pains have started. i was much less active about 6 months
ago when I was learning alot about web site building.
i have been doing certain leg exercises with very little weight.
i am mostly doing stretches and startionary bike these days.

because of the types of people that post here and now joined this thread.
i will probably only post about it on my web site.

I think its time i go back to only posting to newbies that need a caring
ear.

Tom




>
> Since joints under the large forces exerted by the big muscles are
> held in correct orientation by small ancillary muscles and tendons,
> exercising with a restricted range of movement also does not
> strengthen these over the full joint movement range. You can then end
> up with big muscles which are strong enough to damage the joint when
> called upon to exert strength in an extreme position.
>
> Unfortunately the fastest way of developing muscle bulk and strength
> is to exercise the muscles over shorter movement ranges because it's
> only in the mid-range of movement that they can exert their maximum
> power. So aiming for that rather than overall strength over wide
> ranges of movement can increase your risks of joint damage, especially
> if you carry a lot of extra weight, because in that case just lifting
> your own weight in an extreme position, such as with a twisted or bent
> back, can cause the joint damaging forces.
>
> The Hindu squat with its large range of movement is designed to
> avoid these kinds of problems.
>
> The title of this thread is "Your body will adjust to how active you
> are". It is important not to forget that it will also adjust to the
> kind of activity. If you do strengthening exercises over reduced
> ranges of movement that's what it adjusts to -- reduced ranges of
> movement as well as increased strength. That leads to muscle
> shortening and joint damage risks.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
>

"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
news:yaBoh.2347$Br.70@trndny08...
> Many people like to blame people like chung and other spammers for killing
> this group.
> I do not think that is true at all.
> simply put most newbies that come here simply dont like the people that
> post here.
> looking at some of the posts to this thread its pretty easy to understand.
>
>
> Tom
>

Why don't newbie's like the people that post here? Maybe it's because chung
and his gang have filled the group with their multiposted trash. So much
trash that is hard to find the "meat" of ASD.

I blame chung for the decline of this group but it is not dead yet. I've
been coming here a long time and have seen up and down cycles before.
January is usually a down cycle, the exception was the last 2 years when
Madison was posting. Where is Madison, we need you to jump charge the group?

Anon

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message news:vze23t8n-
> Yeah, especially when he says he has been sitting on his butt, not
> eating as he should, and not taking any medications.

this one is as nice as she is knowledgable.
no i have not been sitting on my butt. I have been taking more walks
everyday then
most in here do in a week but 2 years ago after losing 45 pounds and
building up to a 30 minute stepper exercise 3 days a week and another 3 days
of wieght lifting I hurt my back. I was on my back for 5 months and on and
off since then.
When I can walk I do but sometimes the pain was too much for me.
I am glad you have taken my posting about my ups and downs in my diabetic
journey to ad pleasure to your other wise usless lives.
all i can say is that I have moved 11 holes in my belt and after adding 2
additional holes I am still in the last. it has been pretty hard for me to
be more active the last 2 years with the problems I have been having. that
should chear you up.

well anyway. its people like the ones who replied to this thread with the
heart of the devil that is the real reason this group has died.

I think chung is a much better person than many in here are.

Tom

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Gantlet wrote:

> I think its time i go back to only posting to newbies that need a caring
> ear.
>

Yeah, because they really need support and advice from someone who, four
years after diagnosis, is still grossly obese, unable to walk or get off
the couch or stick to his diet.

Susan

In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:34:03 -0800 in Msg.#
<paSdnfN5WoVhfz_YnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Anon" <anon@anon.com>
wrote:

> Why don't newbie's like the people that post here?

Who? What people here do newbies dislike? Newbies tend to dislike walking
into the middle of ancient feuds, it's true. In this case, newbies who have
just learned they are diabetic & are reeling from that, can't be blamed for
finding a support NG seemingly in chaos!

Meanwhile there are plenty of people posting here who are not part of any
chaos, period. I would wager that most newbies like most regulars here, just
fine.

-
DonnaB finally watched AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH and left utterly pensive ...

"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds
himself no wiser than before ... He is full of murderous resentment of
people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard
way." - Kurt Vonnegut

"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gvo5q29nvloljp9fsq2n0stcouk5qigqbo@4ax.com...
> In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:34:03 -0800 in Msg.#
> <paSdnfN5WoVhfz_YnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Anon" <anon@anon.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Why don't newbie's like the people that post here?
>
> Who? What people here do newbies dislike? Newbies tend to dislike walking
> into the middle of ancient feuds, it's true. In this case, newbies who
> have
> just learned they are diabetic & are reeling from that, can't be blamed
> for
> finding a support NG seemingly in chaos!
>
> Meanwhile there are plenty of people posting here who are not part of any
> chaos, period. I would wager that most newbies like most regulars here,
> just
> fine.
>
> -
> DonnaB finally watched AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH and left utterly pensive ...
>
> "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds
> himself no wiser than before ... He is full of murderous resentment of
> people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard
> way." - Kurt Vonnegut

I fully agree, I was just quoting the previous post.

In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:56:55 -0800 in Msg.#
<2smdnZji_JrKdT_YnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@giganews.com>, "Anon" <anon@anon.com>
wrote:

> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gvo5q29nvloljp9fsq2n0stcouk5qigqbo@4ax.com...
> > In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:34:03 -0800 in Msg.#
> > <paSdnfN5WoVhfz_YnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Anon" <anon@anon.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Why don't newbie's like the people that post here?
> >
> > Who? What people here do newbies dislike? Newbies tend to dislike walking
> > into the middle of ancient feuds, it's true. In this case, newbies who
> > have
> > just learned they are diabetic & are reeling from that, can't be blamed
> > for
> > finding a support NG seemingly in chaos!
> >
> > Meanwhile there are plenty of people posting here who are not part of any
> > chaos, period. I would wager that most newbies like most regulars here,
> > just
> > fine.
>
> I fully agree, I was just quoting the previous post.

I got that. <G> Really I did. Didn't mean to impugn you or lambast you.

I just preferred to piggyback off of your post to be even more emphatic. I
mean, please, the very idea, let's blame the newbies, ... I think not! Who
comes up with these ideas? LOL

-
DonnaB finally watched AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH and left utterly pensive ...

"You were born together & together you shall be forevermore ... But let
there be spaces in your togetherness & let the winds of the heavens dance
between you." - Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931) _The Prophet_ "On Marriage"

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:47:07 -0500, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Gantlet wrote:
>
>> I think its time i go back to only posting to newbies that need a caring
>> ear.
>>
>
>Yeah, because they really need support and advice from someone who, four
>years after diagnosis, is still grossly obese, unable to walk or get off
>the couch or stick to his diet.

>Susan


Susan, attack those that deserve it. Diabetes is a syndrome
(a collection of symptoms). It is not well understood.

One easy thing is to post a nice reply to a person.
with good intentions.

In a few years both of us will be history or lost
totally.

Be glad that some people want the group to survive

A few weeks ago, late at night I went to
my separate garage to switch wheel chairs.

As I tried to connect the charger I noted I was
having trouble. So I let it go and headed for the
house.

Next thing I found myself at the door lying on the concrete
with a mess of tools on me. It was tree hours later.

I managed to get back in the wheel chair and made
it to the house. I yelled for Mona. Then I was breathing
very heavy. Mona called 911 and I told her to take care
of her self. The normally low blood pressure was well
over 200.

This may be a reason I post to preserve the group.

Oh yes, The number of unconscious hypos is in the
20 range over the years. There have been two in
2006 but the blood sugars need to be a bit higher
than I would like to reduce them..

Since you seem to be pro doctor, My diabetes was
diagnosed as doctor induced and the hypos started
Ir was a very popular oral diabetic drug damaged
my liver. The info on the second item came second
hand from a doc that had worked on the drug in
the research area.

While we can and should be nice to each other
we need a bit of common sense and restraint.

Support has a meaning and it is not to
blast or nit pick on others that post with
good intentions..

Some of us are" there" and come here ad try
to help To plant the correct seeds

That includes knocking profane medical costs.
I am seeing very young and aged that are not receiving
,medical care. They do not have the money.

Guy

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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
>
> > Everyday I am getting better. So far my PCP and the painmanagment
> > specialist think
> > this is diabetes related. Well diabetes and life style. Mostly life style
> > habbits that I am trying to get rid of. it happens everytime I start
> > lifting weights for the last 2 years.
> > the muscles need to be stretched before I start building them. the muscles
> > in my legs and im sure other places have shortened.
>
> While stretching may help, IMHO the real culprit of muscle shortening
> while exercising is doing strengthening exercises over a restricted
> range of movement. And not only does this tend to shorten the muscles,
> it increases the risk of joint damage.
>
> Since joints under the large forces exerted by the big muscles are
> held in correct orientation by small ancillary muscles and tendons,
> exercising with a restricted range of movement also does not
> strengthen these over the full joint movement range. You can then end
> up with big muscles which are strong enough to damage the joint when
> called upon to exert strength in an extreme position.
>
> Unfortunately the fastest way of developing muscle bulk and strength
> is to exercise the muscles over shorter movement ranges because it's
> only in the mid-range of movement that they can exert their maximum
> power. So aiming for that rather than overall strength over wide
> ranges of movement can increase your risks of joint damage, especially
> if you carry a lot of extra weight, because in that case just lifting
> your own weight in an extreme position, such as with a twisted or bent
> back, can cause the joint damaging forces.
>
> The Hindu squat with its large range of movement is designed to
> avoid these kinds of problems.
>
> The title of this thread is "Your body will adjust to how active you
> are". It is important not to forget that it will also adjust to the
> kind of activity. If you do strengthening exercises over reduced
> ranges of movement that's what it adjusts to -- reduced ranges of
> movement as well as increased strength. That leads to muscle
> shortening and joint damage risks.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Chris, I don't know if i understand what you mean by a reduced range of
movement. Do you mean exercising muscles groups in isolation, as for
example, sitting on a rowing weight machine and exercising primarily
the arms and back, but not the legs, abs, etc.?

I read the thread on the Hindu squats with great interest and looked at
the video Anil linked to, but the full movement would wreck my
arthritic knees fer sure.

Oh, I dangled a bit today at the gym :-) and my back loved it.

Ricavito <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Everyday I am getting better. So far my PCP and the painmanagment
>> > specialist think
>> > this is diabetes related. Well diabetes and life style. Mostly life style
>> > habbits that I am trying to get rid of. it happens everytime I start
>> > lifting weights for the last 2 years.
>> > the muscles need to be stretched before I start building them. the muscles
>> > in my legs and im sure other places have shortened.
>>
>> While stretching may help, IMHO the real culprit of muscle shortening
>> while exercising is doing strengthening exercises over a restricted
>> range of movement. And not only does this tend to shorten the muscles,
>> it increases the risk of joint damage.
>>
>> Since joints under the large forces exerted by the big muscles are
>> held in correct orientation by small ancillary muscles and tendons,
>> exercising with a restricted range of movement also does not
>> strengthen these over the full joint movement range. You can then end
>> up with big muscles which are strong enough to damage the joint when
>> called upon to exert strength in an extreme position.
>>
>> Unfortunately the fastest way of developing muscle bulk and strength
>> is to exercise the muscles over shorter movement ranges because it's
>> only in the mid-range of movement that they can exert their maximum
>> power. So aiming for that rather than overall strength over wide
>> ranges of movement can increase your risks of joint damage, especially
>> if you carry a lot of extra weight, because in that case just lifting
>> your own weight in an extreme position, such as with a twisted or bent
>> back, can cause the joint damaging forces.
>>
>> The Hindu squat with its large range of movement is designed to
>> avoid these kinds of problems.
>>
>> The title of this thread is "Your body will adjust to how active you
>> are". It is important not to forget that it will also adjust to the
>> kind of activity. If you do strengthening exercises over reduced
>> ranges of movement that's what it adjusts to -- reduced ranges of
>> movement as well as increased strength. That leads to muscle
>> shortening and joint damage risks.

> Chris, I don't know if i understand what you mean by a reduced range of
> movement. Do you mean exercising muscles groups in isolation, as for
> example, sitting on a rowing weight machine and exercising primarily
> the arms and back, but not the legs, abs, etc.?

No, what I mean is doing a strengthening exercise for a muscle only
using part of the range of movement of which it is capable. For
example, strengthening the biceps with weight lifts which start with
the elbow bent 90 degrees (arm in an L shape), or doing squats which
go down no further than the knees at 90 degrees.

You do raise another good point, however, which is that while exercise
machines which isolate specific muscle groups are good for targeting
specific muscle groups, there is a danger of overdeveloping one muscle
group compared to another, which can again lead to a risk of joint
damage. For example, suppose you developed very strong arms without
developing back and trunk strength. You could end up being able to
lift up weights with your arms which could damage your back.

> I read the thread on the Hindu squats with great interest and looked at
> the video Anil linked to, but the full movement would wreck my
> arthritic knees fer sure.

Fair enough, that's a restriction forced on you by a disability.

> Oh, I dangled a bit today at the gym :-) and my back loved it.

I heard an interview with an astronaut the other day, who said that
one of the things that happened when you stayed up in space in zero
gravity for more than a few days was that your back grew an inch or
more once it wasn't being squashed down by gravity.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

In article <%jBoh.2360$V91.782@trndny05>,
"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

> "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message news:vze23t8n-
> > Yeah, especially when he says he has been sitting on his butt, not
> > eating as he should, and not taking any medications.
>
> this one is as nice as she is knowledgable.

Thanks!

> no i have not been sitting on my butt.

You snipped the bit where I quoted you saying that's just what you'd
been doing.

Priscilla

Gantlet wrote:

> with any wieght lifint exercises I do I do complete reps. If i cant
> complete it because of range of motion I dont do that exercise.
> basically what I have been doing wrong is not stretching enough and not
> doing enough cardio. each time my walks or my exercise has reached a
> certain level the pains have started. i was much less active about 6 months
> ago when I was learning alot about web site building.
> i have been doing certain leg exercises with very little weight.
> i am mostly doing stretches and startionary bike these days.
>
> because of the types of people that post here and now joined this thread.
> i will probably only post about it on my web site.
>
> I think its time i go back to only posting to newbies that need a caring
> ear.

Tom,

Sorry to see that your thread derailed by the usual suspects. The
Witches of ASD-wick are at it again. Hope you can return to your
exercise routine soon as I know it's an important part of your diabetes
management. I suspect those who mock you are jealous because their
main form of exercise is typing post after post here about how much
more they know about diabetes than everyone else. Sad.

Best,
Kurt

"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168313892.415384.114360@i15g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Gantlet wrote:
>
>> with any wieght lifint exercises I do I do complete reps. If i cant
>> complete it because of range of motion I dont do that exercise.
>> basically what I have been doing wrong is not stretching enough and not
>> doing enough cardio. each time my walks or my exercise has reached a
>> certain level the pains have started. i was much less active about 6
>> months
>> ago when I was learning alot about web site building.
>> i have been doing certain leg exercises with very little weight.
>> i am mostly doing stretches and startionary bike these days.
>>
>> because of the types of people that post here and now joined this thread.
>> i will probably only post about it on my web site.
>>
>> I think its time i go back to only posting to newbies that need a caring
>> ear.
>
> Tom,
>
> Sorry to see that your thread derailed by the usual suspects. The
> Witches of ASD-wick are at it again. Hope you can return to your
> exercise routine soon as I know it's an important part of your diabetes
> management. I suspect those who mock you are jealous because their
> main form of exercise is typing post after post here about how much
> more they know about diabetes than everyone else. Sad.
>
> Best,
> Kurt


True but i dont think that is the only reason. I really dont think those
that you are talking about are nice people at all. sure they are nice to
people that are like them or think like them but as soon as someone that is
not the same comes along - they will kill that persons puppies. I dont
think they are nice at all.

just wondering was that witches or bitches? not sure if you made a type o
or not.

Ever see American Wedding?
I remember when they wheeled the grooms mother into the hotel.
I told my wife.. "that looks like the old ladies that have been getting
tough with me for the last 4 years" lol when they mentioned that she was
diabetic was really funny.

Anyway I created a bunch of posts in may to july 2005 sharing my exercise.
it shows how i was getting stronger up until i hurt my back.


just google

Exercise & Diabetes

or

Toms - Exercise & Diabetes Diary.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...48262e2c42f7e4